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Danger!! **{developer edition only}**

That header should be put at the top of every post that talks about the "DEVELOPER EDITION" otherwise some sad owner of the Note 4 is going to brick their phone.

doctor-cool said:
That header should be put at the top of every post that talks about the "DEVELOPER EDITION" otherwise some sad owner of the Note 4 is going to brick their phone.
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How are they going to brick their phone? With the locked bootloader and no root, there is no recovery to flash anything.

Trying to flash any sort CF Root or custom recovery will indeed brick a Note 4 CE

Also people running out and buying the DE not knowing that the device also only has a 30 day warranty..

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Also people running out and buying the DE not knowing that the device also only has a 30 day warranty..
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If you want you can buy the Samsung Samsung Protection Plus℠ Mobile Elite* for Galaxy Note® 3 and Galaxy Note® 4 for $ 129 2 yr extended warranty coverage from the DOP . http://www.samsung.com/us/owners/protection-plus/mobile-elite/

KennyG123 said:
How are they going to brick their phone? With the locked bootloader and no root, there is no recovery to flash anything.
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KennyG123 I appreciate what you are saying but I need to disagree with the notion that there is not a need to provide a distinction between threads that focus on mods for the retail versions of the Note 4 and those that focus on the Developer Edition of the Note 4. As you know, the Retail version and the Developer Edition of the Note 4 are identical except for one very important element...the bootloader. Mods/hacks etc. designed for one can be very detrimental to the other. They are not compatible in this respect.
I'm sure with your experience and expertise that you have seen many, perhaps hundreds, of inexperienced users, excited about taking advantage of their new Android phone and its potential for modding, do something that bricks their phone because they simply didn't know better. Distinguishing threads intended for Developer Edition phones is not intended to benefit the knowledgeable "crack flasher", developer, coder or themer, it is intended to help the "noob" or less experience user from doing something that will brick their phone or lock their bootloader.
With recovery and root now available for the Developer Edition Note 4 ROMs are not far behind. And, hopefully root and SafeStrap will be available for the retail version soon. With that/those events, the ability for new/inexperienced users (both retail owners and developer edition owners) to separate what's safe to flash and what isn't is going to get very complicated. This is only going to be compounded as OTAs begin to be released and different version of firmware start to show up for users to flash. Having a way to separate or distinguish threads intended for Retail users only or Developer Edition users only makes sense to me. Just saying. No rant intended. Thank you for listening.

Only $129? Wow, what a deal. I'll take 2.

doctor-cool said:
That header should be put at the top of every post that talks about the "DEVELOPER EDITION" otherwise some sad owner of the Note 4 is going to brick their phone.
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I absolutely agree.

doctor-cool said:
That header should be put at the top of every post that talks about the "DEVELOPER EDITION" otherwise some sad owner of the Note 4 is going to brick their phone.
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people should read. if they dont know that their phone is locked and doesnt have recovery not my problem if they brick their device

Personally I'd rather see a separate forum for all the Developer specific stuff. Drop it all there so there is no confusion... but that's just me.

Chuck_IV said:
Personally I'd rather see a separate forum for all the Developer specific stuff. Drop it all there so there is no confusion... but that's just me.
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No it's not just you. There are many of us forum users, both Retail and Dev Edition users, that agree with you.

jpcalhoun said:
KennyG123 I appreciate what you are saying but I need to disagree with the notion that there is not a need to provide a distinction between threads that focus on mods for the retail versions of the Note 4 and those that focus on the Developer Edition of the Note 4. As you know, the Retail version and the Developer Edition of the Note 4 are identical except for one very important element...the bootloader. Mods/hacks etc. designed for one can be very detrimental to the other. They are not compatible in this respect.
I'm sure with your experience and expertise that you have seen many, perhaps hundreds, of inexperienced users, excited about taking advantage of their new Android phone and its potential for modding, do something that bricks their phone because they simply didn't know better. Distinguishing threads intended for Developer Edition phones is not intended to benefit the knowledgeable "crack flasher", developer, coder or themer, it is intended to help the "noob" or less experience user from doing something that will brick their phone or lock their bootloader.
With recovery and root now available for the Developer Edition Note 4 ROMs are not far behind. And, hopefully root and SafeStrap will be available for the retail version soon. With that/those events, the ability for new/inexperienced users (both retail owners and developer edition owners) to separate what's safe to flash and what isn't is going to get very complicated. This is only going to be compounded as OTAs begin to be released and different version of firmware start to show up for users to flash. Having a way to separate or distinguish threads intended for Retail users only or Developer Edition users only makes sense to me. Just saying. No rant intended. Thank you for listening.
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The only threads that need warnings are those for root and those for recovery. There has been no issue with the S4, S5 or Note 3 sections. Again without recovery nothing will flash and no harm can come to the phones. They are exactly the same devices, just bootloader unlocked. People desperate to root will try anything in spite of the warnings. As far as I have seen on previous devices attempts to install recovery will fail and worse that happened was they had to Odin in Stock tar. As I said, unlocked developers editions are not new. They have been in use for Sammy Verizon for almost 2 years with no need for a separate section. If anything the locked edition should be confined to General and Q&A. With so many variants of the same device people will always use the wrong thing. No amount of warnings has ever stopped that. Read through the Sprint S3 sections and find all the bricks caused by flashing international ROMs. Both sections have warnings posted clearly. So we really don't need "the sky is falling" kind of thing here. We just need people to read. The information is there.

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The only threads that need warnings are those for root and those for recovery. There has been no issue with the S4, S5 or Note 3 sections. Again without recovery nothing will flash and no harm can come to the phones. They are exactly the same devices, just bootloader unlocked. People desperate to root will try anything in spite of the warnings. As far as I have seen on previous devices attempts to install recovery will fail and worse that happened was they had to Odin in Stock tar. As I said, unlocked developers editions are not new. They have been in use for Sammy Verizon for almost 2 years with no need for a separate section. If anything the locked edition should be confined to General and Q&A. With so many variants of the same device people will always use the wrong thing. No amount of warnings has ever stopped that. Read through the Sprint S3 sections and find all the bricks caused by flashing international ROMs. Both sections have warnings posted clearly. So we really don't need "the sky is falling" kind of thing here. We just need people to read. The information is there.
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Thanks KennyG123 for your response. I totally concur, reading and researching what you have and what you want to do is the first step for any user. I came to the Note 4 from the DE5 and thankfully when ROMs started to appear the developer or OPs did specify whether the ROM was for retail or DE users. I hope this will be true for the Note 4.

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Thanks KennyG123 for your response. I totally concur, reading and researching what you have and what you want to do is the first step for any user. I came to the Note 4 from the DE5 and thankfully when ROMs started to appear the developer or OPs did specify whether the ROM was for retail or DE users. I hope this will be true for the Note 4.
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Unfortunately this lock down of Verizon and AT&T devices has killed development since the S4. This is the other thing to think about... If someone does crack the bootloader or finds a root and SafeStrap like method, suddenly all the DE ROMs will be usable by all.

jpcalhoun said:
KennyG123 I appreciate what you are saying but I need to disagree with the notion that there is not a need to provide a distinction between threads that focus on mods for the retail versions of the Note 4 and those that focus on the Developer Edition of the Note 4. As you know, the Retail version and the Developer Edition of the Note 4 are identical except for one very important element...the bootloader. Mods/hacks etc. designed for one can be very detrimental to the other. They are not compatible in this respect.
I'm sure with your experience and expertise that you have seen many, perhaps hundreds, of inexperienced users, excited about taking advantage of their new Android phone and its potential for modding, do something that bricks their phone because they simply didn't know better. Distinguishing threads intended for Developer Edition phones is not intended to benefit the knowledgeable "crack flasher", developer, coder or themer, it is intended to help the "noob" or less experience user from doing something that will brick their phone or lock their bootloader.
With recovery and root now available for the Developer Edition Note 4 ROMs are not far behind. And, hopefully root and SafeStrap will be available for the retail version soon. With that/those events, the ability for new/inexperienced users (both retail owners and developer edition owners) to separate what's safe to flash and what isn't is going to get very complicated. This is only going to be compounded as OTAs begin to be released and different version of firmware start to show up for users to flash. Having a way to separate or distinguish threads intended for Retail users only or Developer Edition users only makes sense to me. Just saying. No rant intended. Thank you for listening.
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^^ This, thank you.
KennyG123 said:
The only threads that need warnings are those for root and those for recovery. There has been no issue with the S4, S5 or Note 3 sections.
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I don't post much here as I usually find my answers with a little searching, but I'm a daily lurker and have been since the days of OG droid. I strongly disagree with your statement. There has indeed been plenty of confusion in the Note 3 threads. Also a good little bit of drama and some anger over poorly marked threads. Yes, the threads should be more clearly marked "Developer Edition" by the OP, but it doesn't always happen. In the end, I think it just makes more work for you to moderate but that's your choice.

KennyG123 said:
Unfortunately this lock down of Verizon and AT&T devices has killed development since the S4. This is the other thing to think about... If someone does crack the bootloader or finds a root and SafeStrap like method, suddenly all the DE ROMs will be usable by all.
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Well, you'd think so, but (in the case of the S5 anyway) the number of ROMs available for the retail version out number the number available for the developer edition. You'd think that it would be the other way around. Most developers aren't releasing two versions, one for retail (SafeStrap) and one for DEs. As of last week anyway. Either way, development for the S5, either model, is pretty slim. And, the unified ROMs (AOSP) just don't seem to be ready for prime time. There is always something that just doesn't work right or not at all.
But I have faith. I hope the Note 4 will be blessed with a multitude of ROMs to accommodate a wide range of user wishes and desires...besides it's getting close to Christmas, gotta have faith, right?

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Well, you'd think so, but (in the case of the S5 anyway) the number of ROMs available for the retail version out number the number available for the developer edition. You'd think that it would be the other way around. Most developers aren't releasing two versions, one for retail (SafeStrap) and one for DEs. As of last week anyway. Either way, development for the S5, either model, is pretty slim. And, the unified ROMs (AOSP) just don't seem to be ready for prime time. There is always something that just doesn't work right or not at all.
But I have faith. I hope the Note 4 will be blessed with a multitude of ROMs to accommodate a wide range of user wishes and desires...besides it's getting close to Christmas, gotta have faith, right?
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That is because so few of the DE's were sold.
Adding more forums only adds to the risk of someone flashing the wrong thing. Better they see threads like this than assuming all Verizon variants are the same. There are many other variants that have no forums, US Cellular, Metro, Boost, some Chinese knock off... It is ludicrous to make a separate section for every one. Developers have usually been good about properly marking their work.

If people don't read the documentation then the only person at fault is themselves.

deathshead said:
Also people running out and buying the DE not knowing that the device also only has a 30 day warranty..
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To those who have bought many the 30 day is well known . Don't have any issue with this. It's also voided the second that the phone is unlocked and rooted. i am buying the phone to void a warranty.

Chuck_IV said:
Personally I'd rather see a separate forum for all the Developer specific stuff. Drop it all there so there is no confusion... but that's just me.
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I 100% agree with this.

[Q] What Happened to this phone?

Let's be honest to ourselves here guys, out beloved Moto X Style was officially released in September which means this phone has now been out for at least 3 months and while all the effort that has since been put in this devices by key developers and people from day 1 up till now is very much appreciated and will continue to be appreciated, the development of this device compared to most flagships has been slow motion.
I am just trying to understand what the hell went wrong with this phone that made it end up with such super slow motion development, as when I originally bought the device I was thinking this phone would be at least in the top 20 most active phones on XDA development wise.
It had so much going for it, easy root, easy unlockable bootloader, a pretty much almost complete stock version of android, kernel sources released and motorolas good track record of updating their flagship phones in a timely manner and good hardware to accompany the great bloatware free stock software and a cheap price compared to some other flagships from other companies such as Samsung and Sony
With all this in mind I thought developers would flock to this device and we would have a massive development forum with loads of options between custom roms, mods, themes and other tweaks etc
But this is far from the case and I know the Nexus 6P being released probably had something to do with it, Still this should have been at least in top 20
At first I thought when Android 6.0 MM will be released development will increase then we needed the kernel sources as that was apparently not enough, then we had kernel sources but apart from 1 or 2 roms showing up being in alpha stages nothings changed too much.
This is such a disappointment to say the least.
If only I could understand why this is happening maybe something could be done to fix this or increase the development of this phone, I dont know maybe get some developers from the nexus 6p forums on here some how ...
Any ideas why this has happened and if anything can be done to increase development?
IS THERE ANY WAY WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN GET MORE DEVELOPERS TO WORK ON THIS DEVICE?

djsynth said:
If only I could understand why this is happening maybe something could be done to fix this or increase the development of this phone, I dont know maybe get some developers from the nexus 6p forums on here some how ...
Any ideas why this has happened and if anything can be done to increase development?
IS THERE ANY WAY WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN GET MORE DEVELOPERS TO WORK ON THIS DEVICE?
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I think it's due to a combination of factors, such as :
1) The popularity of the phone/ manufacturer. These figures show Lenovo/Motorloa in 5th place for sales, having a 3.7% market share in Q3 2015
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
3) With phones getting more expensive, more people are put off from unlocking their bootloader due to warranty issues
4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
5) Some apps, for example ones for mobile banking or subscrition TV & Video, will not work with a rooted phone.
In the past I've had various phones from various manufacturers, and I'd say if you get your kicks from installing custom ROMs, then buy a Nexus.

When i had the one plus one there were so many roms that was a brain storm... I prefer some and reliable roms than a plethora where you get confused!!!

2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
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4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
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IMO you hit the nail on the head. I love this phone. I had the MXPE 2014 as well, was not a fan. Also owned the original, Loved it.
This MXPE has been great in imo, the lack of development has not been disappointing to me. The stock rom is really pretty good, there are minor tweaks that can be done but most can do these on their own.
I used to be a flash-aholic, but like @GretaLewd has stated...custom roms tend to break things. I'm more in favor of kernel development. But how many different kernels can you have? One way or another they'll be the same.
I also own a Nexus 6P, but my MXPE is my go to device.
I see users complaining about this phone constantly, I really don't think it matters what phone you put in the hands of those users...they would still find fault and complain.
Motorola and Lenovo did good by this device, I just hope they keep up with incrementals for a while.

Isn't the 64bit cpu reason because it takes more work to get cm/aosp roms?
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Good thread. Would love to hear more thoughts
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Ordered the device today. Hope slow development doesn't disappoint me on this device, as others have stated...

I have been using this device for 2 months now. I am happy with it an didn't face a single issue. I can do a little bit tweaking myself using Xposed.
So far the slow development doesn't bother me.

Only buy a device for what it can do out of the box, not what you hope it will be able to do with additional modding and development... Nothing else is guaranteed!
As it stands I'm very happy with my rooted stock Style, not need for custom roms.

chrisund123 said:
Only buy a device for what it can do out of the box, not what you hope it will be able to do with additional modding and development... Nothing else is guaranteed!
As it stands I'm very happy with my rooted stock Style, not need for custom roms.
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That's a good way to approach Android phones I suppose but I believe
it's still nice to buy a phone that's great out of the box and good development wise, usually flagships tend to have good development and then the mid range and low end phones tend to get smaller developments but I guess there's an exception to everything.

patt2k said:
Isn't the 64bit cpu reason because it takes more work to get cm/aosp roms?
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I doubt that's the reason since 64 Bit has been the standard since Lollipop and pretty much all the flagships have a 64bit cpu since the beggining of 2015 but that doesn't stop other development forums from flourishing.

GretaLewd said:
I think it's due to a combination of factors, such as :
1) The popularity of the phone/ manufacturer. These figures show Lenovo/Motorloa in 5th place for sales, having a 3.7% market share in Q3 2015
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
3) With phones getting more expensive, more people are put off from unlocking their bootloader due to warranty issues
4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
5) Some apps, for example ones for mobile banking or subscrition TV & Video, will not work with a rooted phone.
In the past I've had various phones from various manufacturers, and I'd say if you get your kicks from installing custom ROMs, then buy a Nexus.
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Thank you for your break down on your thoughts of the subject and I must admit you've mention some very valid points here especially Point 1,2 and 5 but I think out of all of these its Point 1 and 2 that are the most significant, I suppose Motorola have a really small market share explains the lack of adoption between developers when comparing to some of the more prominent manufacturers such as samsung.
and The Android Stock OS has improved significantly within the past couple of years adding some new features that previously people had to root their phones to acomplish such as full app permission controls and backing up app data which google does for you now.

You need to follow development before buying a device these days. i.e. always wait at least 1-2 months. If you follow the development forums you would get an idea if developers are interested in said device or not. I for one, bought it right after I found out that AICP (CM12) rom was being developed. I was interested in running CM13 instead of other AOSP variations. And before I got the device the first (almost daily driver) builds were already uploaded.

Once cm is solid quite a few roms will pop up. Won't be long now.

Official MM has only been out for our phone for a little over a month. give it some time it may pick up. either way it's still an awesome phone out the box... and as stated above, once CM13 is stable im sure we'll see some of the other custom ROMs that are based off it.

GretaLewd said:
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
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This is a great point, but I'd like to add that this is especially applicable to our MXPE. We're really close to stock as it is, so there's little motivation to go ROM to debloat like there is on Samsung, LG, and similar phones. On the flip side, we have a lot of really neat features (active display, approach, accelerator gestures, voice controls) that we would lose if we went ROM.
For me, these two points combine, leaving me with little motivation to ROM my phone, especially since I can could get most of the advantages of CyanogenMod with something like GravityBox, which will allow me to keep the Motorola features (I'm currently unrooted because of the warranty, but I'll be rooted in the future for sure) . Of course, these are my own personal opinions, but I suspect that they reflect at least some of the mindset of this community.

I agree with others, that custom roms are often more trouble than they're worth. The only reason to use them these days is if your device isn't going to be updated to the latest version of Android.

Ever since moto introduced 99% stock android + moto display, roms have been entirely unnecessary for me. I used to rom my phones to gain greater flexibility + customizability. Now that I have stock android + Xposed, I doubt I will ever flash another custom rom again.

I'm still waiting for custom super roms that will make this device best in the market. Why can we have a rom with 1080p display, tweak kernel with better control for heating issue for overall battery life and speed?
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The biggest issue is that developers don't support devices they don't own. With the launch of the nexus 6 (not the 6p) most developers got it and had no need to update to a y newer devices.
Also to the comment that all flag ships are 64 bit this is not the case. If you look the most popular devices as far as developers are concerned are non 64 bit.
Also as android matures you will see less and less roms. As it will be come harder. There are very few real development teams. Most are just kitchen sink roms. A base with tons of cherry picks and a new name. Nothing even worth looking at twice. But more developers are closing up the source of their projects because of these types of roms.
To be honest most users have no point in flashing roms. Only those that like the development side of it will continue to mod roms and flash things.

LG Stylo 2 Plus MetroPCS

Am I in the right area? I havent found any other section on XDA for it. I just bought this phone and I like it a lot! If someone could guide me in the right direction it would be great!

I'm in the same boat, there's a little chatter at Android Central, but nothing else for this device. I'm just hoping for root and custom recovery.

Also literally in the exact same boat, I'd love to run AOSP or CM on this thing. I don't even see any posts for the normal Stylo 2

Yeah, there's not much chatter at all. On the other hand, kingroot just went over 400 requests, I don't know at what number of requests that they decide to work on an exploit.

I've heard people breaking their phone using kingroot and so on so I will just wait until someone who for sure is rooted there LG Stylo 2 plus and then I will move forward from there. Although it would be nice if XDA would make a little section for us to hang out in. I hope someone on here will hear us out.

I hear ya..been searching for a root, but no luck so far. Im livid over lg opting out of adoptable storage..i wouldn't of bought this phone had i known before hand..oh well with root all things will become possible

Same guys I bought the LG Stylo 2 Plus on MetroPCS and I just want a root that will work I used KingRoot and I was a simi root I restarted 2 times and the root was removed just hope someone will work on a root and a port of CyanogenMod 13

​Maybe we can some how reach out to XDA staff to create a section dedicated to us LG Style 2 Plus users. If someone could help me do this that would be great!

Your biggest issue is that metro pcs is such a small a regional carrier most developers don't get the device which means no development for it. Also you need to have full kernel source for the device and device trees. Which seldom happen for budget devices.
As for adoptable storage, most oem are disabling it or removing it completely.

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Your biggest issue is that metro pcs is such a small a regional carrier most developers don't get the device which means no development for it. Also you need to have full kernel source for the device and device trees. Which seldom happen for budget devices.
As for adoptable storage, most oem are disabling it or removing it completely.
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So no chance of xda ever getting an LG Stylo 2 Plus section?

RussianSolja said:
So no chance of xda ever getting an LG Stylo 2 Plus section?
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That depends on how much development it gets. Your best bet is to make things happen and then come back with things like bootloader unlocks, root, roms and development for the device. Also make sure the kernel source for the device is available.

zelendel said:
That depends on how much development it gets. Your best bet is to make things happen and then come back with things like bootloader unlocks, root, roms and development for the device. Also make sure the kernel source for the device is available.
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Well I'm not a developer or anything that's why I come to XDA to appreciate other people's work. Let's hope someone comes along soon to show off their stuff. Hey zelendel, you seem like a smart man why don't you give it a go. Lol help us fellow brothers out ????

RussianSolja said:
Well I'm not a developer or anything that's why I come to XDA to appreciate other people's work. Let's hope someone comes along soon to show off their stuff. Hey zelendel, you seem like a smart man why don't you give it a go. Lol help us fellow brothers out ????
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I only work with devices I own and I only buy nexus devices due to the availability of the source code and kernel source. Sorry

The original Stylo (MetroPCS/T-Mobile) was very fortunate to get as much dev support as it did. I don't foresee much happening for its successors, however.

Lg stylo 2 plus..root please!!! Ill come clean your pool and mow your lawn devs!!!! Someone please be my freakin hero and come up with root.. Oh mighty DEVS ( bows ) i pray to thee

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I hear ya..been searching for a root, but no luck so far. Im livid over lg opting out of adoptable storage..i wouldn't of bought this phone had i known before hand..oh well with root all things will become possible
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Yes this is bull i think it may be possible to re activate the adaptive storage with adb but adb wont stay connected on the stylo 2 plus but for 1 seconed with the 6.0.1. Whats the piint in having thia phone with 1 terabit expandable storage if you just get a crippled sd card slot that only works for pictures this phone is awesome hardware wise but a pile of **** everywhere else

zelendel said:
Your biggest issue is that metro pcs is such a small a regional carrier most developers don't get the device which means no development for it. Also you need to have full kernel source for the device and device trees. Which seldom happen for budget devices.
As for adoptable storage, most oem are disabling it or removing it completely.
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Where do you get that MetroPCS is a small regional carrier? They have over a hundred and fifty million subscribers according to their parent company T-Mobile who has less than 70 million subscribers. That makes MetroPCS better than twice the size of T-Mobile one of the big four carriers in the United States. They have a subset of the exact same phones that T-Mobile carries as well. Everything from the little small Samsung Galaxy knockoff phones to the Galaxy S 7 is available with Metro PCS. The only difference is that your bill is half as much and you have to pay for your phone up front. Essentially you are not financing all of the other phones of all of the other users on the network which is why their service is so much less expensive.

We had one dev for a brief period of time for the OG Stylo and he left.
Like Revenant Ghost said, don't expect much.
Root hasn't even been achieved yet permanently for the Stylo 2 or Stylo 2 Plus.

Open source code for the stylo 2 plus is here
http://opensource.lge.com/osSch/list?types=ALL&search=lgms550

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Open source code for the stylo 2 plus is here
http://opensource.lge.com/osSch/list?types=ALL&search=lgms550
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And now someone who has the device and is capable enough needs to step up and do something with it.

Xa1 ultra repository

I will be creating a repository of root methods and guides, recoveries, roms and stock files. This will be a one stop shop for all your developer needs.
So far the only development. Is by Janjan, providing root, and a twrp recovery
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xa1-ultra/development/g3221-built-sources-t3622886

idontwanttobeanoob said:
I will be creating a repository of root methods and guides, recoveries, roms and stock files. This will be a one stop shop for all your developer needs.
So far the only development. Is by Janjan, providing root, and a twrp recovery
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xa1-ultra/development/g3221-built-sources-t3622886
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considering all development for this device, from the only dev that ever worked on it, has stopped. I regret buying this device. I thought for sure Sony would have better action than this. I had a note 2 before this, and they were still developing for that phone when I stopped using it 2 months Ago. I think im going to try to sell it. it's really pathetic. but it is what it is
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I am in the process of moving but once that is done I will be working on porting a few roms so that we have some choices. Don't give up yet. I have faith in the community

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I am in the process of moving but once that is done I will be working on porting a few roms so that we have some choices. Don't give up yet. I have faith in the community
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I just bought this coming from a Nexus 6P and was surprised that nothing had really been done with it it seems to be a good phone, just some of the stock options suck lol. I saw your thread for root and custom recovery and am going to try it I'm the next couple days.
You said you are going to be porting some Roms over, any ideas which you will be attempting? If you are taking requests I wouldn't mind Pure Nexus.. It's pretty kickass from a well known dev.. Or maybe even crdroid (lineage based)? Thanks for your work so far and keep at it.. Like I said, pretty good phone, just no development much yet.

mikeandjaimie said:
I just bought this coming from a Nexus 6P and was surprised that nothing had really been done with it it seems to be a good phone, just some of the stock options suck lol. I saw your thread for root and custom recovery and am going to try it I'm the next couple days.
You said you are going to be porting some Roms over, any ideas which you will be attempting? If you are taking requests I wouldn't mind Pure Nexus.. It's pretty kickass from a well known dev.. Or maybe even crdroid (lineage based)? Thanks for your work so far and keep at it.. Like I said, pretty good phone, just no development much yet.
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The option for root and recovery is done by JanJan who has stopped working on this device. Please give him a thanks and your credit. Mid level phones have a habit of taking a few months to really get development going. But this phone should have plenty in the coming months!

I'd like to jump in for kernel and recovery development, but the problem is I don't have experience and I have to setup a dedicated Linux machine from one of unused laptop. Also, I have to work like everybody. I have four Xperia (Z Ultra, XA Ultra, XA1 Ultra, and L1). I just need other developers to help me get started.
Note: I only have US version except Z Ultra (C6833).

Hii
Just to give my opinion too on this topic
I did the mistake.. Usually I do my own research by google-ing all the reviews
Then I read some opinions, then i look also on you tube and then the most important
I do look at xda forum to see the support of the device
And i saw all that...but than I saw the forum is not like I am used to..its like dead .. not
just there are no one posting things..but the custom rom support is not there...
Well, I said to me also... ok its a 6 inch.. not everybody likes phablets..
Like, 5 inch is more popular.. maybe that is the reson there are no development..
And then I said..ok announced in Feb/March but just got to the market about May..
So..new device..should be some development..
Unfortunally I got one with bootloader unlock NO status..
And now I can not even get root..
But still... It was weird to have such an phone on XDA with dead forum all at all
Did a bit more research last few day after I got the device
As It looks like all the X series from the Sony Xperia... has no support..
Like there are 7 or 8 devices from the X series and the only one is the X Performance Model wich has like 4 to 5 custom roms
and a few stock modified kernels..
All the other phones do not have anything..
Or let me say the best example the XA Ultra also 6 inch from last year 2016 Model
Has not evan 1 thread or commend under xda forum for custom roms or kernels or what ever..like
more then one year and what?? Nothing..
So I do not hope we will have anything...not to get fooled its a new devices it will be in time and
we will need to wait ... bla bla bla.. nothing will happen
The best thing is to fool yourself with different launchers so that after some of use of the phone
You get sort of a feeling you did flash something..and get the feeling you changed the phone
Thats all...
Would point to NOVA laungher..and some others wich have much settings to modify the looks and
the way it works...
I really to not think anything will happen.. ever

i bought the regular xa1 thinking that there'd be insane development going on for it. looking back, i shouldn't have unlocked bootloader, and looked at getting different phone. if i try to take it back to the store now even though it's under 1 year warranty, they'll just say, "oh we can't replace it, we got to send it off to sony" in which case they won't do anything as sony will see that the bootloader is unlocked

Not to say custom ROMs aren't great and all, I too was here for the good stuff, but people complaining and taking phones back is a bit dramatic.
The stock ROM is great. It doesn't really need a custom ROM. It's a perfectly reasonable phone by itself.
A custom ROM makes sense in phones such as Samsung, Huawei and Xiaomi, where they botch everything to make it "unique", but Sony phones tread the line carefully to keep it pure as possible whilst adding actual useful features.
If you're picking up phones just to hack them, maybe you should try to start your own development on them. Get the toolchains, bring up a Linux system and get creative. Then you can be the hero of your own story.

What is the best way to return to fully stock? Relock the bootloader and flash the latest firmware? Might sell mine too and get an Essential PH-1.

So since this is my first Sony device and may be my last for a few reasons question I want to return everything to stock, and I use the method that was provided it won't relock bootloader right? I have to manually relock it like any other device? I just wanna return to stock so I can try and see what it take to get a Oreo rom once the update comes through.

Actually maybe do some research when this phone first came out with had start of support. We have twrp and custom kernel. There's a search button. Try it out.

I know that this thread seems to be dead but I was wondering if someone could share the sound file for plugging in the charging cord

Significant risk of bricking

I may be spoiled because all my previous phones were various versions of Nexus phones (and tablets), all rooted and with various stock and/or other ROMs installed. But Nexus phones were originally designed for developers, easy to root and mod.
Moto G7 is my first non Nexus phone. So what I write may not be unique and perhaps apply to other non-Nexus phones. I don't know.
Despite all my modding I never bricked a phone until I got the Moto G7. And I've read of many others who have hard bricked their Moto phones too. Moto certainly does not want you to root or modify their phones and punishes you if you do.
If you wish to root the G7:
—unlocking the bootloader requires you to first contact and get a code from Moto
—you then get an annoying persistent warning at every boot that tells you this is now an untrusted phone (as if you did not know)
—rooting this phone is fraught with many problems along the way (but it is a new phone with little development)
—if you make the error of later installing an ota update from Moto (even if officially announced on the phone as available and even after unrooting the phone) it can irretrievably brick your phone without warning (as I've done)
That said, the unrooted phone is excellent value despite some problems like occasionally dropping wifi. But in my experience it is not particularly suited for rooting and modding.
Fwiw
(Does anyone know what Moto charges to repair a phone out if warranty?)

maybeme2 said:
I may be spoiled because all my previous phones were various versions of Nexus phones (and tablets), all rooted and with various stock and/or other ROMs installed. But Nexus phones were originally designed for developers, easy to root and mod.
Moto G7 is my first non Nexus phone. So what I write may not be unique and perhaps apply to other non-Nexus phones. I don't know.
Despite all my modding I never bricked a phone until I got the Moto G7. And I've read of many others who have hard bricked their Moto phones too. Moto certainly does not want you to root or modify their phones and punishes you if you do.
If you wish to root the G7:
—unlocking the bootloader requires you to first contact and get a code from Moto
—you then get an annoying persistent warning at every boot that tells you this is now an untrusted phone (as if you did not know)
—rooting this phone is fraught with many problems along the way (but it is a new phone with little development)
—if you make the error of later installing an ota update from Moto (even if officially announced on the phone as available and even after unrooting the phone) it can irretrievably brick your phone without warning (as I've done)
That said, the unrooted phone is excellent value despite some problems like occasionally dropping wifi. But in my experience it is not particularly suited for rooting and modding.
Fwiw
(Does anyone know what Moto charges to repair a phone out if warranty?)
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I bought mine used but mint xt1962-1 on eBay for $110. Prob $150 for repair by Moto. Blankflash is avail on Tele$ram for qld 9008 brick

maybeme2 said:
I may be spoiled because all my previous phones were various versions of Nexus phones (and tablets), all rooted and with various stock and/or other ROMs installed. But Nexus phones were originally designed for developers, easy to root and mod.
Moto G7 is my first non Nexus phone. So what I write may not be unique and perhaps apply to other non-Nexus phones. I don't know.
Despite all my modding I never bricked a phone until I got the Moto G7. And I've read of many others who have hard bricked their Moto phones too. Moto certainly does not want you to root or modify their phones and punishes you if you do.
If you wish to root the G7:
—unlocking the bootloader requires you to first contact and get a code from Moto
—you then get an annoying persistent warning at every boot that tells you this is now an untrusted phone (as if you did not know)
—rooting this phone is fraught with many problems along the way (but it is a new phone with little development)
—if you make the error of later installing an ota update from Moto (even if officially announced on the phone as available and even after unrooting the phone) it can irretrievably brick your phone without warning (as I've done)
That said, the unrooted phone is excellent value despite some problems like occasionally dropping wifi. But in my experience it is not particularly suited for rooting and modding.
Fwiw
(Does anyone know what Moto charges to repair a phone out if warranty?)
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Agreed. The reasons you cite are probably why there is so little development activity on this device.
A big THANK YOU to the TWRP and LineageOS teams for the work they have done on the G7.

I cannot agree more! A huge thank you to the few developers who have helped us, including Alberto97 who gave us the unofficial TWRP early on, the twrp team who recently provided an official version, and the few brave helpers who helped us in XDA.
But, one problem non-expert users face when seeking advice by 'searching first' (as recommended) instead of asking 'again' in the threads is the *outdated advice* found. Take for example something as common as how to root the Moto G7. Advice found by searching for rooting advice include:
If your phone channel is "US Retail", download RETUS (retail US) on pc.
Copy the image to your phone and use Magisk to patch the image. After that, copy the output image to your host computer.
(This spawned numerous queries of 'how do you use Magisk to patch the.....)
Now turn your phone off, press and hold power + volume down to enter bootloader, connect your phone to host computer, and enter
fastboot flash boot
Press space once and drag and drop the output image file to command window.
If everything goes well, restart the phone and confirm it is rooted with Magisk
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Rather complicated! Actually rooting the Moto G7 with an unlocked bootloader is as simple as:
—install Magisk Manager and use it to download Magisk zip.
—in TWRP, install Magisk zip
That will root the phone.
(besides, many versions of Magisk would patch boot.IMG in ways that don't work correctly for the G7)
I don't know that there is much that can be done about outdated or incorrect advice but it explains the frustration of non-expert users. ?

Tele$ram has much better support these days than XDA

HueyT said:
Tele$ram has much better support these days than XDA
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You are correct. XDA is were I go first but Telegram solved several of my most stubborn problems.

I had zero problems following the directions in these forums, just my two cents.

HueyT said:
Tele$ram has much better support these days than XDA
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It absolutely does. XDA is a fantastic library. I see it as a central hub where the best and the brightest Android people congregate. But if you have a question to ask or feel like helping someone who does, TG can fix you up right away.
Instant gratification - it's what's for dinner.

SmilingPerson said:
It absolutely does. XDA is a fantastic library. I see it as a central hub where the best and the brightest Android people congregate. But if you have a question to ask or feel like helping someone who does, TG can fix you up right away.
Instant gratification - it's what's for dinner.
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You said it perfectly.
Rapid, knowledgeable answers on Telegram.
XDA is a fantastic library — but that means search finds old advice messages that are no longer valid and can create more problems for you.