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The T-Mobile USA Xperia Z C6606 Bootloader is locked

Well, I went to check out the T-Mobile branded Xperia Z C6606 at the Sony Style store and was disappointed to see that the bootloader is locked.
I was trying to get information online if it was locked or not but couldn'tget any confirmation. I know that it'sprobably locked by T-mobile, but I was hoping.
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All branded/carrier phones are. Tell us something new...

LenAsh said:
All branded/carrier phones are. Tell us something new...
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I've seen some phones in the past that were sold by T-Mobile or other carriers but were not bootloader locked. With T-Mobile's new business model and the fact that Sony was selling it outright at their stores, you would think that it should be unlocked.

All phones have locked bootloaders when they come from the store. 'Bootloader unlock allowed' means if it is allowed to unlock it yourself or not, but doing so will void your warranty and wipe your DRM keys (which are needed for Mobile BRAVIA Engine 2, MusicID/Gracenote, etc.).
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There is a carrier here in Spain that sells unlockable Xperias. It's the fourth mayor carrier so is not a shady one.

DrKrFfXx said:
There is a carrier here in Spain that sells unlockable Xperias. It's the fourth mayor carrier so is not a shady one.
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sim locked and locked bootloader are two separate things. >.>
usually when some stores states "selling unlocked xperia/galaxy/iphone/ etc.." it means the phone is unlocked and it can be used anywhere else. When you purchase a phone from a store (Sony store) or carrier (At&T) it is locked to them. In other words, the phone cannot be used with another sim card like T-Mobile, since the phone is locked to At&t.

LitoNi said:
sim locked and locked bootloader are two separate things. >.>
usually when some stores states "selling unlocked xperia/galaxy/iphone/ etc.." it means the phone is unlocked and it can be used anywhere else. When you purchase a phone from a store (Sony store) or carrier (At&T) it is locked to them. In other words, the phone cannot be used with another sim card like T-Mobile, since the phone is locked to At&t.
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I totally understand what is sim and boot lock.
I've had in my hands a couple of Xperia devices from that company (Yoigo), one Xperia Mini Pro I think, and the other one a Xperia Z, and both had "Bootloader Unlockable: Yes" on the service menu.

I've read that some custom ROMs can still be flashed on this phone without unlocking the bootloader. Is this true?

skynet11 said:
I've read that some custom ROMs can still be flashed on this phone without unlocking the bootloader. Is this true?
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Yes, if they are based on the stock kernel.

Apollo89 said:
Yes, if they are based on the stock kernel.
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anyone have the basebands ftf for this model yet?

HoOnZ said:
I've seen some phones in the past that were sold by T-Mobile or other carriers but were not bootloader locked. With T-Mobile's new business model and the fact that Sony was selling it outright at their stores, you would think that it should be unlocked.
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T-Mobile isn't really known for locking bootloaders. Verizon on the other hand... When it comes to locked boot loaders it seems to be like this.
Locked carriers:
Verizon
at&t
Mostly unlocked carriers:
Sprint
T-Mobile
Phone brands locked:
HTC
Sony Xperia
sometimes LG
Phone brands not locked
Huawei
Samsung
This has just been my experience.

Will the roms in the development thread work on the TMO version? Might go pick this up in a week or two.

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Will the roms in the development thread work on the TMO version? Might go pick this up in a week or two.
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Only if they're based on the stock kernel. Something like 'for locked bootloader' has to be mentioned. They often have 'LB' in their titles.

Apollo89 said:
Only if they're based on the stock kernel. Something like 'for locked bootloader' has to be mentioned. They often have 'LB' in their titles.
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This maybe a stupid question, but I've never flashed a ROM on a locked bootloader. Will the roms still be able to be bloat and CIQ free?

i understand that the bootloader is locked for the t-mo version (c6606), but what about root?
i want to be able to run ti backup and get rid of all these ads...

dnaL0R said:
i understand that the bootloader is locked for the t-mo version (c6606), but what about root?
i want to be able to run ti backup and get rid of all these ads...
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locked bootloader has nothing to do with its ability of being rootable or not.
Root should run fine on tmo version.

LitoNi said:
locked bootloader has nothing to do with its ability of being rootable or not.
Root should run fine on tmo version.
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gotcha... just found out that the DooMLoRD Easy Rooting Toolkit was just updated to v17 to support my device...
all good now :good:
now i just need to upgrade to 4.2.2

I played with the TMO version today and find it inferior compared to my own C6602. The first problem is the branding and bloatware - yes it is bloated carrier style and a lot of TMO notifications where shown on the demo unit. One of the demo units had noticeable lag, much worse than my C6602 back in March on .350. The other one were smoother.
I managed to put System Tuner on one of them - it runs the standard Interactive governor and 384-1551 is the used frequencies.
The price tag was very high - $610, $579 with "appropriate plan". More expensive than in the Sony Store for an unbranded, unlocked and superior C6602.
I just don't see any reason to buy the TMO version when there is the C6602 available for less money (albeit at a small difference) that can be bootloader unlocked and optimized. Paying MORE for a carrier branded device? No way.
To those that feel that they need to talk LTE with me as a reason to buy the branded edition: wait for the Honami instead - it will offer a superior LTE radio, which means that it can be used on many carriers. I base this assumption on the nice multiband LTE radio that the Z Ultra offers.
After playing with the T-Mobile version, my recommendation of the C6602 instead is stronger than before.
To those that want to argue about prices: use a credit card instead if $539 is "too much".

t-mobile's wifi calling feature is the ONLY reason why i went with the C6606... having lte is nice too, i guess

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t-mobile's wifi calling feature is the ONLY reason why i went with the C6606... having lte is nice too, i guess
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I don't get the reason the have WiFi Calling when there is a little thing called Google Voice. I can make free calls to the whole US that way and even configure it as a 100% IP phone with GrooveIP. For international calls, I am using Viber or Voice (my relatives in Sweden use Viber so we have free calls).
To me, carrier bloat and locked bootloaders are total dealbreakers and I can't really see how WiFi Calling can compensate.
LTE? I will get it when I can buy a standard, unlocked device and use it. As long as I need carrier branding in order to use it - I say pass.

TELUS XT1097 Lollipop

Good day everyone,
I have some bad news, if the info i received is accurate, for people who have purchased the XT1097 from Telus.
I called Telus tech support today asking about any news regarding the lollipop update and the agent told me that the update is due out in the middle of next month - mid January.
I don't know if this means Telus has decided that it is in their customer's "best interest" to wait for a 5.0.1 build to be released but I am pretty disappointed as Telus promises the "fastest software upgrades" on their website when you read about the Moto X.
Jeremie

Jercote said:
Good day everyone,
I have some bad news, if the info i received is accurate, for people who have purchased the XT1097 from Telus.
I called Telus tech support today asking about any news regarding the lollipop update and the agent told me that the update is due out in the middle of next month - mid January.
I don't know if this means Telus has decided that it is in their customer's "best interest" to wait for a 5.0.1 build to be released but I am pretty disappointed as Telus promises the "fastest software upgrades" on their website when you read about the Moto X.
Jeremie
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If only 1 carrier has it in Canada it can still claim to be the fastest when it's dead slow. Ok I know Wind has it now too but I'm not holding my breath on Wind beating Telus to the update.

Yes I bought into that too.... not sure what the implications would be of side loading the Brazil OTA, I think it is still a soak test for now... although it is the same model.

snoopygum said:
If only 1 carrier has it in Canada it can still claim to be the fastest when it's dead slow. Ok I know Wind has it now too but I'm not holding my breath on Wind beating Telus to the update.
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Telus has always sucked at giving customers timely updates. They decided not to release the Nexus 6 yet because of the french language bug even though there is a simple work around. They have a decent cell network and pretty good customer service but when it comes to phones they tend to lag behind.
It will be interesting to see when the Wind version gets updated - they are small enough I doubt they have any kind of custom build. They may even use the same build as Telus in the end. I see there is a Canada retail 4.4.4 build you can download, not sure if that is the Telus version or not. It might be one generic build for Canada and then a specific EFS partition hardcoded into the phone before hand for each provider.
Being the XT1095 and XT1097 share the identical hardware it would be nice to be able to unlock the bootloader in the XT1097, flash it as an XT1095 and have it update properly on its own as a Pure version of the phone for the rest of its life. At this point it looks like we can use most of the XT1095 firmware but there is no auto updating without fixing the modem files.
btw - how do you guys find the radio performance of the XT1097 with Telus so far? Coming from a 2013 Moto X I haven't been that impressed. I see my phone lose LTE and then get it back a few seconds later for what appears to be no reason. I could have a defective phone but it looks more like there is a firmware bug of some sort to me.

There are a fair number of people that have taken the XT1095 plunge from XT1097. I have been holding off just because I would like to not have to root the phone and loose the warranty so early in it's life. As far as signal, I would say it is on par or better than my S4. The LTE speed is better but it does switch between H+ and LTE often. The building I work in has never provided optimal reception though. Speed on LTE I have gotten as high as 68 mb/s outside. The S4 in the same location couldn't break 40.

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There are a fair number of people that have taken the XT1095 plunge from XT1097. I have been holding off just because I would like to not have to root the phone and loose the warranty so early in it's life. As far as signal, I would say it is on par or better than my S4. The LTE speed is better but it does switch between H+ and LTE often. The building I work in has never provided optimal reception though. Speed on LTE I have gotten as high as 68 mb/s outside. The S4 in the same location couldn't break 40.
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Saying it is on par with the S4 is not saying that much really. My 2013 Moto X will blow an S4 away 90% of the time in terms of reception. Heck it can receive LTE where an Iphone 5 doesn't think there is any. I've locked my XT-1097 to HSPA today and it doesn't seem to have made much difference to battery life but I am no longer showing any time without a signal. I am not sure about other phones but on a Motorola time without a signal as indicated by the phone does not appear to actually be time with no received signal. It seems to be the time the phone is not using its preferred protocol(LTE normally). So if you drop to HSPA it counts that as time with no signal even though you have one and are registered on the network.
I haven't seen signal drops of any kind today with HSPA only like I do with LTE enabled. The antenna system in the 2014 X might just be more directional then the 2013 model. It is also possible Telus has 700 MHz LTE in the area I work and the phone gets stuck switching between that and band 4 LTE.
It is a shame Motorola removes the radio diagnostic functions. I'd like to know what it is really doing.
I was also hoping to have Lollipop before Christmas so I could see if the phones performance improves at all. If it doesn't then I will probably sell it and go back to my 2013 Moto X. My Nexus 7 2013 running Lollipop is faster/smoother in all respects then my 2014 Moto X yet drives more pixels and has a older/slower processor(in theory anyway, Motorola may be heavily throttling the cores).

even mexico beat us...
Looks like mexico is getting the offical ota now.....

Hurry up please Telus.

Has anyone unlocked their bootloader with the Moto website for it? As a lark I ran the fastboot command to grab my key and dropped it in and, voila! The option to request unlock key popped up. So is that a full green light? I decided not to do it yet since I figure I'd like to still have my waranty. Just thought I would pass that along to those who are braver than I in this case. :silly:
Edit: and now it said it isn't. Bah!!

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Looks like mexico is getting the offical ota now.....
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According to a motorola contact I have the final version for Brazilian retail is rolling out as we speak. No word on carrier versions though.
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So can we fastboot and load the mexican ota zip?
Will it work with the telus modem?
If you do it, will you get pushed future telus updates?
Thanks!

In theory, it should work. I have used mexico modem with my s4. But like everything else it is at your own risk. I'm going to get Telus another week before I do anything

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Has anyone unlocked their bootloader with the Moto website for it? As a lark I ran the fastboot command to grab my key and dropped it in and, voila! The option to request unlock key popped up. So is that a full green light? I decided not to do it yet since I figure I'd like to still have my waranty. Just thought I would pass that along to those who are braver than I in this case. :silly:
Edit: and now it said it isn't. Bah!!
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Yep, it unlocks fine, first thing I did when I picked mine up.
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So can we fastboot and load the mexican ota zip?
Will it work with the telus modem?
If you do it, will you get pushed future telus updates?
Thanks!
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There is another thread here where someone took a twrp backup of the . 5 and .6 release from a pure edition. They restored perfectly on the telus version with out messing with the modem. Could someone do the same with this release?

Looks like Mexico is up to version .17 now... android 5.0 lollipop 22.21.17.en.MX I guess it could be Telus is waiting until the version numbers stop changing but it would be nice to know what the strategy is exactly.....

A little communication would go a long way. Most people don't know or care about updates but for the people like us who want to know and purchased the phone for quick updates, a little bit of info would go a long way. TELUS should communicate better, it would be a win-win for them-us.

I hope all of you with a Telus account harass them non-stop. I am living the budget life with Koodo, so Telus doesn't want to hear from me...

Well I have sent 3 inquires from the website asking for more information but I have yet to get any acknowledgement ..... tried from home and work computer.... anyone else try?
Pics of tonights chat

TELUS support chat.
info: You are now chatting with 'Samantha'
Jeremie: Good evening, I have a question regarding the moto x update to android 5.0
Samantha: Hi Jeremie, thank you for contacting TELUS mobility chat support. I hope you are doing well today!
Jeremie: You as well.
Samantha: I can look at some information for that update.
Jeremie: Great!
Samantha: There actually is not any information about an update at this time.
Jeremie: It is strange since this phone is getting updated currently in the US, Brazil and Mexico. Your website mentions quickest software updates and it is the main reason why I purchased this phone meanwhile everyone else is getting the update but us who purchased froM TELUS.
Jeremie: I know its not your fault but would it be possible to forward my comments to higher ups as I find the wording on your website to be misleading.
Samantha: I totally understand what you are saying. We don't even know about the updates until they actually come out.
Samantha: What you can do if you would like is leave your feedback. There is a "how are we doing" link at the bottom of our home page which will allow you to leave feedback about our website or concerns and that will get to the right people who can handle this request.
Jeremie: OK thanks for your time.
Samantha: No problem! Does that help you for today?
info: Your chat transcript will be sent to ........ at the end of your chat.
Jeremie: Yes have a good evening. Thank you
Samantha: Thanks! You as well!
I will leave my feedback as she suggested.
Here is the feedback I sent them:
On your website, the information provided for the Moto X mentions that the phone gets the quickest software updates. The XT1097 has been updated to android 5.0 in Brazil and Mexico over a week ago and the US XT1095 for almost a month. Even the XT1096 sold at Verizon has been updated almost 3 weeks ago now but still, your agents don't even have a date in sight for when the update will be coming to TELUS Moto X.
The reason I bought this phone was for the quick updates as clearly stated on your website. As you surely know, information in this day and age goes around the globe pretty quickly. If you make a statement like the one made about the speediness of the software updates, you better make sure you're on par with other carriers around the world or it really makes you look bad.
I am not complaining in order to get any sort of compensation but as a long term customer I hope you take my complaint seriously and improve the way you manage software updates.

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info: You are now chatting with 'Samantha'
Jeremie: Good evening, I have a question regarding the moto x update to android 5.0
Samantha: Hi Jeremie, thank you for contacting TELUS mobility chat support. I hope you are doing well today!
Jeremie: You as well.
Samantha: I can look at some information for that update.
Jeremie: Great!
Samantha: There actually is not any information about an update at this time.
Jeremie: It is strange since this phone is getting updated currently in the US, Brazil and Mexico. Your website mentions quickest software updates and it is the main reason why I purchased this phone meanwhile everyone else is getting the update but us who purchased froM TELUS.
Jeremie: I know its not your fault but would it be possible to forward my comments to higher ups as I find the wording on your website to be misleading.
Samantha: I totally understand what you are saying. We don't even know about the updates until they actually come out.
Samantha: What you can do if you would like is leave your feedback. There is a "how are we doing" link at the bottom of our home page which will allow you to leave feedback about our website or concerns and that will get to the right people who can handle this request.
Jeremie: OK thanks for your time.
Samantha: No problem! Does that help you for today?
info: Your chat transcript will be sent to ........ at the end of your chat.
Jeremie: Yes have a good evening. Thank you
Samantha: Thanks! You as well!
I will leave my feedback as she suggested.
Here is the feedback I sent them:
On your website, the information provided for the Moto X mentions that the phone gets the quickest software updates. The XT1097 has been updated to android 5.0 in Brazil and Mexico over a week ago and the US XT1095 for almost a month. Even the XT1096 sold at Verizon has been updated almost 3 weeks ago now but still, your agents don't even have a date in sight for when the update will be coming to TELUS Moto X.
The reason I bought this phone was for the quick updates as clearly stated on your website. As you surely know, information in this day and age goes around the globe pretty quickly. If you make a statement like the one made about the speediness of the software updates, you better make sure you're on par with other carriers around the world or it really makes you look bad.
I am not complaining in order to get any sort of compensation but as a long term customer I hope you take my complaint seriously and improve the way you manage software updates.
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Nice, I took the time to fill out the feedback also..... many points along the same lines.... hopefully someone takes note.....

I also provided similar feedback.
I am too pessimistic to believe that it'll do anything but I also don't like to complain unless I'm doing something about the problem.
Rh.

Moto Z Force UK Update

Fellow Z force users, it has been announced that the 7.0 update is near. Maybe even today for some. My question is would I receive it like everyone else if im using it in the UK on a Network other than Verizon.

Good question. I'm in Canada, so wondering if I'll just get the OTA as well.

I do hope so. Maybe someone here has experience updating when out of U.S.

Yes, you should receive it even if you are outside of the US. My Droid Turbo got the updates when Verizon released it and I am in the UAE. So should not be a problem. Dont worry guys.

jhttr1z said:
Yes, you should receive it even if you are outside of the US. My Droid Turbo got the updates when Verizon released it and I am in the UAE. So should not be a problem. Dont worry guys.
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You were right. I definately did just get the update to 7.0!

Unlocked S8 Oreo Update

Has anyone with an unlocked S8 (US) received the Oreo ota yet?
Ive always had Verizon branded Galaxy / Android phones in the past so I am not as familiar with the unlocked ota process. Do unlocked Galaxy phones typically receive ota updates last?

I have a Tmo device on U1(unlocked) firmware and haven't received the update yet. It's somewhat annoying that both Vzw and Tmo got oreo before the unlocked.
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Unlocked variants are usually the last ones to get the updates

:laugh: just got it..MetroPCS unlocked S8.

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[emoji23] just got it..MetroPCS unlocked S8.
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That is not the unlocked variant. If it is it has been flashed with SM-G950U firmware for MetroPCS. Your phone might be unlocked but the OP was asking about the SM-G950U1.
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Unlocked variants are usually the last ones to get the updates
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Why is unlocked variant last to get updates? No carrier bloat to update, so technically it should be first.

bocondo said:
Why is unlocked variant last to get updates? No carrier bloat to update, so technically it should be first.
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Unfortunately that's just how it's is, hence why Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint have the official Oreo update including the exynos variant. As for unlocked variants they'll eventually get it, but you'll probably get Oreo root faster than your official update. Or if you're impatient just grab an Oreo beta and work with that.

My Verizon s8+ that I use my tmobile sim got it yesterday. It changed the Verizon boot logo to tmobile. No more Verizon bloatware.

They said the U1 beta testers would be the first to get it too and that didn't happen.

Who ultimately pushes the ota for unlocked phones? Is it the manufacturer (Samsung) or the carrier that you're using the phone on?
If it is the carrier, then I suppose it makes sense that they would prioritize their locked variants first.

Waiting for Oreo OTA
Re: They said the U1 beta testers would be the first to get it too and that didn't happen.
Yes. It's taking a great deal of patience. Samsung seems to have appreciated our feedback as beta testers and then led us out to pasture and left is behind. I think I'm running a Jan 16 beta build and have been waiting...

What software version are you guys on? I am still on nougat 7.0. Are they going to push out 8.0 and skipping 7.1?

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What software version are you guys on? I am still on nougat 7.0. Are they going to push out 8.0 and skipping 7.1?
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Here in the states, my SM-G950U updated to Oreo v8.0.0 from v7.0 yesterday afternoon (March 20). Samsung Experience v9.0, Build number is R16NW.G950USQU2CRB9.
Security patch level is 1 Feb, 2018.

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Why is unlocked variant last to get updates? No carrier bloat to update, so technically it should be first.
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I was told that the unlocked variant needs all US carriers to sign off on it before they can send it out.

I'm running beta Oreo for U1. Still no update. I wouldn't mind so much if the lockscreen didn't interfere with listening to music, the music gets slow, choppy, distorted sounds when the lock screen turns off my display. Can't listen to music in my car, it's so annoying. Wish they'd expedite the update like now. They basically jacked my radio with that bug. lol

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I was told that the unlocked variant needs all US carriers to sign off on it before they can send it out.
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no that's bull****. that defeats the entire purpose of getting an unlocked phone.

The unbranded and unlocked version must work with both GSM and CDMA networks. They also must work with the carriers features like, WiFi calling, call waiting, etc. If I understand this correctly, they will require some form of carriers' certifications. Therefore unlocked phones will face delays from both Samsung and the carriers. I made a mistake of not believing former owners and publications about slow updates when I bought my S8 from Samsung. I have since corrected my mistake and bought a Pixel 2. You'll have to adjust to a plain Jane Android but you must give up something to get the timely OS updates from Google.
I am now fully convinced that Samsung will never change and Samsung phone owners who are dissatisfied with the unlocked OS updates can buy phones other than Samsung. Sony seems to be serious with the US market with their new Xperia XZ2.Sony's OS is as close to plain Android and their updates are not bad. My 2-yr old Xperia X has been on Oreo 8.0 for awhile now. Essential can be a player too.
Do yourself a favor. Stay away from Samsung if your priority is timely OS update.

If they let Snapdragon Users unlock bootloaders this was not a problem. May they will let us do that or some one will find an exploit i mean, yo can unlock bootloader on china snapdragon s8. #IWillBuyMyGalaxyS10WithExynos

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The unbranded and unlocked version must work with both GSM and CDMA networks. They also must work with the carriers features like, WiFi calling, call waiting, etc.
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Well I hope this is true for Oreo, but I doubt. The 7.0 the unbranded fw for at&t doesn't even allow VoLTE or WiFi calling out of the box.

Not sure about ATT but Oreo works on those features from T-Mobile. By the way I failed to mention that I am on Oreo Beta in my unlocked S8 which I used with Tmo.

Did they enable Dual SIM with the new 10.5.11 update?

I got a notification that the new version is available, did anyone already update to the new version? Is the Dual SIM now working?

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I got a notification that the new version is available, did anyone already update to the new version? Is the Dual SIM now working?
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What new version - 10.5.11 ? Got a notice on something this morning that's now gone. I had updated to 10.5.11AA on the 8th.

gaww said:
What new version - 10.5.11 ? Got a notice on something this morning that's now gone. I had updated to 10.5.11AA on the 8th.
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I am using 10.5.11AA and dual sim is not enabled in the US

10.5.12AA coming soon - any bets on it ?

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10.5.12AA coming soon - any bets on it ?
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999:1 that it's not enabled

LiquidHonesty said:
999:1 that it's not enabled
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Are you still waiting for the dual sim to be turned on? I had a feeling it won't be enabled until the android 11 is available. I

from what I have heard and read from a user in the USA witn the NA version over on oneplus forum with the DP3 firmware, both sim slots are actually working in the DP3, I`m running the DP3 OS and i just tried slot 2 for the sim and it works, data and phone calls work on SIM 2!

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Are you still waiting for the dual sim to be turned on? I had a feeling it won't be enabled until the android 11 is available. I
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Well at release they said "soon", then they said by the end of June, then July, then "first of august". Now not until A11 I guess because it does work in there....but at this point I expect them to disable it on NA version too just because.
No, not waiting anymore.

LiquidHonesty said:
Well at release they said "soon", then they said by the end of June, then July, then "first of august". Now not until A11 I guess because it does work in there....but at this point I expect them to disable it on NA version too just because.
No, not waiting anymore.
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I'm really disappointed with this and I've been waiting. I'm either going to get a different dual sim phone or wait for A11 to come out. Waiting a few weeks after release is fine but not 6 to 8 months, which they already going to come out with a new model.

As far as I know, only DP3 in the US supports Dual SIMs. I'm using a VZW and my work TMO SIMs working fine.

Mike02z said:
As far as I know, only DP3 in the US supports Dual SIMs. I'm using a VZW and my work TMO SIMs working fine.
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How stable is DP3 for you? I might want to switch over soon to get that dual sim enabled.

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10.5.12AA coming soon - any bets on it ?
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I have been struggling from the begining of this issue now day 106 -- lol My views is that this is a political issue not a tech one. It is becoming very obvious to me that OP has no intention of correcting this and since every other variant is dual sim it leads me to believe this is because north american carriers do not like or support dual sim phones. OP is trying to break into the partnership game and I'm sure T-Mobile dictated the terms and removing dual sim was likely one of them. The other very disappointing thing is that OP has become strictly regional and will not sell other variants out of your region and going to places like amazon is the only option. Here is the thing if you have repair issues support will not touch your phone and offer a replacement for your sales area only. I had a 2023 and it needed fixing. I sent it to OP and the only solution they would come up with was to replace it with a 2025 so I,m back to square one, no pun intended, I now have 2 2025 and one still in the unopened box and both are for sale with a xperia 1 on it's way from hong kong. I have had 7 OP handsets and was right in there from the startup but I'm gone. The regionalization of OP has taken them into the area where there is no room for the small group who want that raw and pure unbranded phone, easy to root and a good international tool. My advise to anyone considering OP, especially in north america is to go somewhere else if you are looking for a true international phone. Their support will not help you if it needs fixing if you purchased a "world phone" variant. Maybe a class action suit would be in order but this group of disgruntled users is likely too small. Damn !!!!!!!

I have the 11 version and dual sim IS working. U.S. version btw. Crap just realized you were inquiring about the update not DP3.

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I have been struggling from the begining of this issue now day 106 -- lol My views is that this is a political issue not a tech one. It is becoming very obvious to me that OP has no intention of correcting this and since every other variant is dual sim it leads me to believe this is because north american carriers do not like or support dual sim phones. OP is trying to break into the partnership game and I'm sure T-Mobile dictated the terms and removing dual sim was likely one of them. The other very disappointing thing is that OP has become strictly regional and will not sell other variants out of your region and going to places like amazon is the only option. Here is the thing if you have repair issues support will not touch your phone and offer a replacement for your sales area only. I had a 2023 and it needed fixing. I sent it to OP and the only solution they would come up with was to replace it with a 2025 so I,m back to square one, no pun intended, I now have 2 2025 and one still in the unopened box and both are for sale with a xperia 1 on it's way from hong kong. I have had 7 OP handsets and was right in there from the startup but I'm gone. The regionalization of OP has taken them into the area where there is no room for the small group who want that raw and pure unbranded phone, easy to root and a good international tool. My advise to anyone considering OP, especially in north america is to go somewhere else if you are looking for a true international phone. Their support will not help you if it needs fixing if you purchased a "world phone" variant. Maybe a class action suit would be in order but this group of disgruntled users is likely too small. Damn !!!!!!!
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Next time - there is something called paragraphs - try them.