I'm wondering if there's any other differences than our S5's coming with Verizon apps and the bootloader being locked? I'm thinking all the radios/frequency bands are the exact same. Correct me if I'm wrong.
joshua.justice said:
I'm wondering if there's any other differences than our S5's coming with Verizon apps and the bootloader being locked? I'm thinking all the radios/frequency bands are the exact same. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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The only stupid question is the one not asked. No, different carriers use different bands. I'm not sure who uses what but I know they are different.
Misterxtc said:
The only stupid question is the one not asked. No, different carriers use different bands. I'm not sure who uses what but I know they are different.
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I know different carriers use different bands, but my question is are all bands present on all phones. So say they release a GPE Galaxy S5, if all the bands are there presumably I'd be able to use it on Verizon if all bands are there.
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I know different carriers use different bands, but my question is are all bands present on all phones. So say they release a GPE Galaxy S5, if all the bands are there presumably I'd be able to use it on Verizon if all bands are there.
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The bands might be present but I know they omit things like CDMA antennas on the Virgin Mobile phones so you can't use those bands. They might work somewhat but wouldn't be fully functional for roaming and 4GLTE and such.
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I know different carriers use different bands, but my question is are all bands present on all phones. So say they release a GPE Galaxy S5, if all the bands are there presumably I'd be able to use it on Verizon if all bands are there.
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If i recall correctly. The GSM based versions do not have support for CDMA, while VZW variants have support for GSM/HSPA+/UMTS.
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Hey guys. Have a chance to take GS4 but is there any info how to unlock it to use on TMobile?
DOes it have AWS bands for supporting TMobile HSPA?
escknx said:
Hey guys. Have a chance to take GS4 but is there any info how to unlock it to use on TMobile?
DOes it have AWS bands for supporting TMobile HSPA?
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Why just not get T-Mobile's version?
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Why just not get T-Mobile's version?
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Great idea but there are no TMo offers yet. They plan to put it in their stores around 8-15 May. So if there is no chance to unlock ATT one I'll wait for TMo.
I'd wait. With the AT&T version you'll only get 850mhz/1900mhz HSPA, whereas the LTE would work fine. You'd definitely want AWS HSPA+ if your on T-Mobile. Their 1900mhz refarming is very spotty and not matured.
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I'd wait. With the AT&T version you'll only get 850mhz/1900mhz HSPA, whereas the LTE would work fine. You'd definitely want AWS HSPA+ if your on T-Mobile. Their 1900mhz refarming is very spotty and not matured.
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Yes anyway I need HSPA+. I use ATT Note2 that supports it. But it is unknows if ATT GS4 supports it as well.
You should definitely wait. Or if you're buying outright full price, just get the international I9505.
Well thanks i9505 is too expensive
1-2 more weeks not a big deal then
If you live in Queens there are some T-Mobile stores launching the fone on the 1st... Actually only 3 stores in Queens launching on the 1st.
It does not support the AWS 1700 band, so wait for the TMobile version. The hardware is not there.
The ATT S3 and Note 2 did not support AWS HSPA out of the box, but a quick tweak using the Qualcomm software fixed this.
Perhaps the same fix applies to the new chipset in the S4?
WorldIRC said:
The ATT S3 and Note 2 did not support AWS HSPA out of the box, but a quick tweak using the Qualcomm software fixed this.
Perhaps the same fix applies to the new chipset in the S4?
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On Note 2 AWS HSPA can be enabled through service menu so I've made. Do not know about GS3..
Tmobile or ATT version S4
Will T-mobile S4, which I am sure will come as locked, work on ATT network (3G/4G/LTE) once unlocked? It appears that ATT version lacks Tmobile's 1700 band for 3G/4G. But does Tmobile version S4 comes with 1700/1900/2100 plus LTE band that works at both carriers provided that it is unlocked? If not is there an S4 unlocked version that can be purchased so that it works at both carrier's 3G/4G/LTE?
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Will T-mobile S4, which I am sure will come as locked, work on ATT network (3G/4G/LTE) once unlocked? It appears that ATT version lacks Tmobile's 1700 band for 3G/4G. But does Tmobile version S4 comes with 1700/1900/2100 plus LTE band that works at both carriers provided that it is unlocked? If not is there an S4 unlocked version that can be purchased so that it works at both carrier's 3G/4G/LTE?
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4g lte shoukd work straight out of the box since tmobile uses the same lte band as at&t. and im pretty positive hspa should work too cause you dont need 3 bands all time. I have tmobile note 2 on att and i have all 2g hspa and lte.
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It does not support the AWS 1700 band, so wait for the TMobile version. The hardware is not there.
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Could you please provide a source for this? I've been looking but can't find any confirmation. I was thinking both phones would have the same hardware (cheaper to manufacture) but the modem firmware would simply disable some bands on the AT&T model.
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It does not support the AWS 1700 band, so wait for the TMobile version. The hardware is not there.
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Turns out the hardware is identical on both the AT&T and the T-Mobile models. More info on this post. Cross-referencing posts to avoid duplicating info, and in case someone is interested.
what about unlocking the phone(t-mobile version)? anything available besides buying the code?
noob question
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The ATT S3 and Note 2 did not support AWS HSPA out of the box, but a quick tweak using the Qualcomm software fixed this.
Perhaps the same fix applies to the new chipset in the S4?
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hi there, what QUALCOMM software would this be? sorry for the noob question
Due to the TMO variant being possibly bootloader locked i wanted to know if Anyone know if the International version of the Samsung Galaxy S5 is FULLY compatible with TMOBILE? in other words does it have all the frequencies/bands needed to work on TMobile USA??
I came here to ask the same thing. Tmo uses 1900mhz for 3g and it supports that. I don't think it supports tmo's LTE bands though.
With the s4s there were a lot of shenanigans you could do to get the modem on other bands, since the hardware supported more. Maybe we can do that here.
edit: Looks like tmo lte might be 1900 and the SM-G900F is 1900.
edit 2: I think, ha, that 1700 is lte and 1900 is 3g.
mk262 said:
I came here to ask the same thing. Tmo uses 1900mhz for 3g and it supports that. I don't think it supports tmo's LTE bands though.
With the s4s there were a lot of shenanigans you could do to get the modem on other bands, since the hardware supported more. Maybe we can do that here.
edit: Looks like tmo lte might be 1900 and the SM-G900F is 1900.
edit 2: I think, ha, that 1700 is lte and 1900 is 3g.
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ha left me a little confused, illl probably just wait till the actual specs are confirmed on most of the S5 variants...including whats bootloader locked and whats not.
I never heard of ANY international phones being LTE compatible with the Big 4 (Verizon, ATT, Sprint, Tmobile).
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Due to the TMO variant being possibly bootloader locked i wanted to know if Anyone know if the International version of the Samsung Galaxy S5 is FULLY compatible with TMOBILE? in other words does it have all the frequencies/bands needed to work on TMobile USA??
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Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
and this: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=5837&c=samsung_sm-g900f_galaxy_s5_lte-a_16gb
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Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
and this: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=5837&c=samsung_sm-g900f_galaxy_s5_lte-a_16gb
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I am still a little confused by this - so your help is appreciated - Bottom line, is there an international version that will work with ATT LTE? From what I have been able to see none of the S5s or any phone for that matter (at least that I can see) works with ATT LTE - at least not until YOu can get 3g and 4g I think (HSPDA+
Am I wrong about this or is there an S5 varient that uses any of the LTE Bands supported by ATT:
which are: AT&T B17 = 700MHz b; B4 = AWS 1700MHz-2100MHz
Suggestions? are there any options?
mocsab said:
I am still a little confused by this - so your help is appreciated - Bottom line, is there an international version that will work with ATT LTE? From what I have been able to see none of the S5s or any phone for that matter (at least that I can see) works with ATT LTE - at least not until YOu can get 3g and 4g I think (HSPDA+
Am I wrong about this or is there an S5 varient that uses any of the LTE Bands supported by ATT:
which are: AT&T B17 = 700MHz b; B4 = AWS 1700MHz-2100MHz
Suggestions? are there any options?
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Here's a comparison of all models: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...=5448&id12=5876&id13=5929&id14=5865&id15=6040
The international unlocked G900F doesn't support B4 and B17.
XeoNoX said:
Due to the TMO variant being possibly bootloader locked i wanted to know if Anyone know if the International version of the Samsung Galaxy S5 is FULLY compatible with TMOBILE? in other words does it have all the frequencies/bands needed to work on TMobile USA??
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Wait til S5 Google Play edition will be released. I bet, it will work the same as S4 Google edition which is very much compatible with T-Mob and and around the world.
so will the SM-G900 be able to get LTE? friend of mine has it and at the moment he is not able to pick up LTE only 2g if we change the baseband will that make any difference?
thanks for any help
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The international unlocked G900F doesn't support B4 and B17.
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Is it possible to enable these bands? similar to what is done for S4 i337or i337M
Hope somebody might be working on it
I have G900H but does not have 1700 MHz hence cannot be used with Wind or Mobilicity.
FULLY compatible? No.
OTOH, the TMobile bootloader is not locked.
Bypass the band restrictions? e.g. as was done to enable AWS on the S3.. possibly, but that would be considerable work. And more to the point, I haven't noticed anyone pursuing that.
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FULLY compatible? No.
OTOH, the TMobile bootloader is not locked.
Bypass the band restrictions? e.g. as was done to enable AWS on the S3.. possibly, but that would be considerable work. And more to the point, I haven't noticed anyone pursuing that.
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Can the qcn file for s3 or s4 be used on s5 to enable AWS band?
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Can the qcn file for s3 or s4 be used on s5 to enable AWS band?
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No, they are different models and there is no way that they will have the same memory addresses.
FWIW, the TMobile version has AWS enabled, so a comparison between the 900T and say 900W8 NV would probably give you a really good idea of would need to be changed on other variants with respect to AWS.
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Wondering if the Sprint version will work on Verizon? She has an iPhone so I know it works on Verizon and vice versa wondering if the v20 has the correct CDMA radios
Umm, try?
No, the Sprint model has ddifferent CDMA 850 MHz bands than the Verizon model.
an iPhone comes with all bands supported, so that it why they can pretty much be used on any network.
I wish LG would have done the same thing with the V20 instead of having a half dozen models.
Dammit the note 7 had all the band's on all the different carriers as well. Being that they are both 820 snaps I figured it was the same
Can you use an unlocked T-Mobile S7 on Sprint? I'm not sure if it has all the bands (CDMA & LTE) to be compatible. Would you need to flash Sprint firmware or is it simply not doable.
not possible cause it doens't have CDMA internals. CDMA phones on the other hand can, cause they have both CDMA and GSM internals.
The Android Attorney said:
not possible cause it doens't have CDMA internals. CDMA phones on the other hand can, cause they have both CDMA and GSM internals.
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Figured but was hoping that wasn't true. Thank you.
all of the snapdragon s7's are the same internally.. you just need to flash g930u to it
Well, because it is unlocked, you CAN use it on Sprint, BUT you can only use it on LTE. Because it doesn't use CDMA, you won't have 3G and below. This is problematic in spots where you don't get LTE because you will instantly drop to no signal.
What about an AT&T S7 Edge? Would it work on Sprint? Model # SM-N935A?
All of the US S7 variants are exactly the same hardware-wise, meaning they all support CDMA.
You could flash the U firmware on it but you won't be able to activate it on Sprint becuase it is neither an original Sprint or an original U variant unit and hence isn't in their white list of allowed devices on their network.
Say I got a Samsung S8 from Xfinity Mobile(Verizon Network), get unlock code from XM, can I use this phone in Cricket (AT&T GSM network). Samsung support said it is ok, but from some threads it mentioned XM Samsung phone, even after unlock, some band will be locked, may not be used on other carrier. Any one tried before?
yahoo_test said:
Say I got a Samsung S8 from Xfinity Mobile(Verizon Network), get unlock code from XM, can I use this phone in Cricket (AT&T GSM network). Samsung support said it is ok, but from some threads it mentioned XM Samsung phone, even after unlock, some band will be locked, may not be used on other carrier. Any one tried before?
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I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work just fine. The only thing I can see would be certain carrier features not working. But otherwise should be fine
Verizon and anything related to it uses CDMA technology. Whereas Cricket uses GSM.
GSM phones can be unlocked and switch carriers, whereas CDMA carriers use network-based white lists to verify their subscribers. That means you can only switch CDMA phones with your carrier’s permission.
A list of CDMA and GSM devices can be found here
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However, your phone might be compatible with a GSM network as cricket.
You need to check your phone's version and bands on GSMarena https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s8-8161.php
And also you need to check Cricket's bands on frequency check https://www.frequencycheck.com/carriers/cricket-wireless-united-states
However, if your phone is already unlocked, you can simply insert a Cricket sim card and try to place a call and use the data to see if it works.
Thanks, understood difference between GSM & CDMA, I read other place saying all the Samsung S8 sold in US are same hardware with different firware, as long as I got unlock code from Xfinity Mobile, then I can flash phone to the new carrier specific firmware(AT&T or Cricket - which is using ATT network), can anyone confirm?
RossTeagan said:
Verizon and anything related to it uses CDMA technology. Whereas Cricket uses GSM.
GSM phones can be unlocked and switch carriers, whereas CDMA carriers use network-based white lists to verify their subscribers. That means you can only switch CDMA phones with your carrier’s permission.
A list of CDMA and GSM devices can be found here
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However, your phone might be compatible with a GSM network as cricket.
You need to check your phone's version and bands on GSMarena https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s8-8161.php
And also you need to check Cricket's bands on frequency check https://www.frequencycheck.com/carriers/cricket-wireless-united-states
However, if your phone is already unlocked, you can simply insert a Cricket sim card and try to place a call and use the data to see if it works.
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S8 has all frequencies for both GSM and CDMA. All S8s are identical hardware wise.
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yahoo_test said:
Thanks, understood difference between GSM & CDMA, I read other place saying all the Samsung S8 sold in US are same hardware with different firware, as long as I got unlock code from Xfinity Mobile, then I can flash phone to the new carrier specific firmware(AT&T or Cricket - which is using ATT network), can anyone confirm?
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You are correct.
Don't think Xfinity SGS8 will work with GSM.
I believe it will only work with other carriers on CDMA like Sprint.
This is not accurate info.
yahoo_test said:
Say I got a Samsung S8 from Xfinity Mobile(Verizon Network), get unlock code from XM, can I use this phone in Cricket (AT&T GSM network). Samsung support said it is ok, but from some threads it mentioned XM Samsung phone, even after unlock, some band will be locked, may not be used on other carrier. Any one tried before?
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At worse you have to change CSc to unlock band I have s8 Xfin unlocked and it works on att sim i know didnt look to see what bands I did see certain bands locked in hidden menu but also connected to the same locked bands on 3g
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Don't think Xfinity SGS8 will work with GSM.
I believe it will only work with other carriers on CDMA like Sprint.
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THis is most def incorrect
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THis is most def incorrect
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I am so glad that you replied.
So if I was to get SM-G950 US Unlocked from retailer it should work on both GSM/CDMA.
slamor said:
I am so glad that you replied.
So if I was to get SM-G950 US Unlocked from retailer it should work on both GSM/CDMA.
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I can't guarantee it as in the past phones have been difficult to switch between Sprint and Verizon. Verizon's will work on all but Sprint based. And vice versa. But by in all theory yes all the us based models have exact hardware. And should be able to be flashed to each carrier with the csc change thread. The if anything a byop. But the best bet would be to take it once unlocked to which ever carrier and have them Install one of there active Sims and see off it works for sure.
Again shouldn't be any issues other than a few change
what's are CSs that need to be changed?
Depends on sub-model you get. If your phone is the N950U it has the following 2G bands: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 & 3G bands: HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700(AWS) / 1900 / 2100 & CDMA2000 1xEV-DO. So theoretically a Galaxy Note 8 model N950U WILL work on ALL networks provided that your phone is unlocked from the carrier branded N950U. Check this webpage for the N950U specs: gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note8-8505.php#n950u
If you look at the model of the phone on the back cover it will say N950U on it. N950F does not do CDMA (Verizon & Sprint), The N950FD is the same as the N950F but the "D" means dual nano sim capable (one for each girl/guy).