I have just bought an Archos 101 16gb and downloaded just a few small apps.
I got a "Low on Space" notification today....but i cant understand why. Under /settings/staorage in shows under "Internal Storage" total space 14.44GB and available space 14.15GB.
I dont have an SD card yet
On system storage it says Avaialable space 25.25MB
Can someone help me understand whats going on here. Whats the differnce between Internal Storage and System storage and where do apps get stored by default....
Many thanks
Hey Pete,
System Storage is storage for apps that you can't put on internal storage or and SD card. Now, in order for you to only have 25mb free, you must have put a lot of data on there as well. I have a whole boatload of apps on my system and still have 162mb free on system storage (most are not on the SD). If you were to think of system storage in computer terms, it would be like RAM memory.
Internal storage is the storage where you put your data. Think of this storage as your "hard drive."
The next storage is, of course, the SD card. This is another place to store your data.
Finally, there is external storage. This is for things like flash drives and external hard drives.
By default apps load to the system storage area. You can go into your system preferences and move some to SD once you get an SD...but seriously, something else is at work for you to only have 25mb free right now.
ExploreMN said:
Hey Pete,
System Storage is storage for apps that you can't put on internal storage or and SD card. Now, in order for you to only have 25mb free, you must have put a lot of data on there as well. I have a whole boatload of apps on my system and still have 162mb free on system storage (most are not on the SD). If you were to think of system storage in computer terms, it would be like RAM memory.
Internal storage is the storage where you put your data. Think of this storage as your "hard drive."
The next storage is, of course, the SD card. This is another place to store your data.
Finally, there is external storage. This is for things like flash drives and external hard drives.
By default apps load to the system storage area. You can go into your system preferences and move some to SD once you get an SD...but seriously, something else is at work for you to only have 25mb free right now.
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Thank you that. Really helpful. So on my internal storage or "Hard Drive" I just have two apps, Aldiko and World Newspapers, totally 9mb.....
I had a look under /manage applications/downloaded and their is the AppsLib icon with 120MB next to it. That cant be right surely. This is just the Archos AppsLib app..... The MArket app is only 2.89 MB. If I look at the Application Infor for AppsLib under storage it says Total 120MB, Application 1MB and Data 119MB. What is this 119MB???
Also how do I set up storage preferences and what should they be.
Many thanks
OK, sotday the problem has changed. The missing 119MB of System storage has re-appeared. It seems that the AppsLib app which had shown 119MB of data cleared itself before I could uninstall it. No Idea why it had created 119MB of data in the first place.
So, can someone explain this for me. Not sure Im upto spead with this whole storage regime yet :-(
under /settings/storage "System Storage" was showing 119MB available.
I then downloaded Angry Birds (1.87 MB) and Angry Birds Seasons (1.99MB). Then checking /settings/storage "System Storage" now shows 104MB.
Next checking /settings/applications/manage applications and then clicking the "On Internal Strorage" tab I see the two Angry Birds apps there on Internal Strorage.
So my question is how come my "System Storage" has gone down by 15MB when the two apps only add up to less than 4MB. But, as manage apps shows them on the internal storage i.e. my 16gb storage, why did my system storage available space change at all. I'm very confused........
Update. I just checed AppsLib under /settings/applications/manage applications and its showing under application infor "Stroage" Total 41.46MB, Appkication 1.0MB and Data 40.46 MB. Whats going on here. What is the 40.46MB of data made up of. Its eating my System Storage.....Why?
Pete917 said:
Update. I just checed AppsLib under /settings/applications/manage applications and its showing under application infor "Stroage" Total 41.46MB, Appkication 1.0MB and Data 40.46 MB. Whats going on here. What is the 40.46MB of data made up of. Its eating my System Storage.....Why?
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have you installed Dolphin Browser HD or something similar?
In the options you can set cache to write into System Storage....
You should set the option to write cache into sdcard instead!!
Remember first to delete all caches...
I don't know if in the standard browser there is a similar option...
Honestly Pete, I have no idea what to tell you. I mean I'm not doing anything special and I have about 60 apps installed and still have 120mb of system storage, about 5gb of my 8gb internal storage and my 8gb SD card is maxed out with movies, music, documents, and some e-books I'm reading.
I have angry birds (not seasons...not feeling Christmas at the moment) and several other games as well.
I haven't done anything with the apps other than hit the "install" button. I know there are a lot I can move to SD, but since I don't need to I haven't.
The system memory does jump around though. As you use applications, load and unload, etc. Try using Archos's task manager to stop all apps, wait like 10 seconds (1 hippopotamus, 2 hippopotamus type 10 seconds...) , then check your storage. I bet that might be the issue. Hell, it almost has to be!
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Honestly Pete, I have no idea what to tell you. I mean I'm not doing anything special and I have about 60 apps installed and still have 120mb of system storage, about 5gb of my 8gb internal storage and my 8gb SD card is maxed out with movies, music, documents, and some e-books I'm reading.
I have angry birds (not seasons...not feeling Christmas at the moment) and several other games as well.
I haven't done anything with the apps other than hit the "install" button. I know there are a lot I can move to SD, but since I don't need to I haven't.
The system memory does jump around though. As you use applications, load and unload, etc. Try using Archos's task manager to stop all apps, wait like 10 seconds (1 hippopotamus, 2 hippopotamus type 10 seconds...) , then check your storage. I bet that might be the issue. Hell, it almost has to be!
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Thankyou. I think Im getting there. I noticed that in /settings/apps/manage apps the Archos AppsLib was showing 120MB. Weird I thought. So looking that the App Info for it said App 1MB data 119MB.
So I have uninstalled, re-booted and then sideloaded the latest build of AppsLib from Arcos. No App Info shows 1MB. Magically Angry Birds re-appeared too ...
This sounds like it has something to do with the problem and I now have to keep an eye on AppsLib to make sure it doesnt start eating System Storage Again.....
This seems very unusual to me. Maybe something is coded incorrectly by Archos in their latest release of AppsLib. Can others please tell me what amount of Data AppsLib has created on their devices? Thanks.
I havent got an external SD card yet, so I think that's going to be a must. Whats the biggest SD card that it can take? 32GB???
I should maybe also get Apps2SD. There seems a few versions out there. Who's the author of the one everyone here has loaded?
My appslib is 0.93mb of that, only .02mb is the data part.
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My appslib is 0.93mb of that, only .02mb is the data part.
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Thanks. Mine is curretly 1.05MB. The data part being 0,05MB. I'll keep an eye on it now I have re-installed to make sure it doesnt creep up again. What version are you running?
the most recent one.
Im still having problems in thw whole storage and could do with some help.
The System Storage is listed as 299.44mb available when I look in App2sd. It shows I have 86.29mb available.
Using App 2 SD it shows the list of immovable apps on the System Storage. When I add up their indivdiual file sizes it comes to 65.919mb.
So where is the other 147.23mb gone?
Is System Storage where the Android OS sits? If so would that account for 147mb?
Many thanks Guys.
Pete917 said:
Im still having problems in thw whole storage and could do with some help.
The System Storage is listed as 299.44mb available when I look in App2sd. It shows I have 86.29mb available.
Using App 2 SD it shows the list of immovable apps on the System Storage. When I add up their indivdiual file sizes it comes to 65.919mb.
So where is the other 147.23mb gone?
Is System Storage where the Android OS sits? If so would that account for 147mb?
Many thanks Guys.
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No, the OS is on a different partition, specifically a mounted squashfs. There will always be more data on the /data partition(System Storage) than is listed in the Applications menu. Keep in mind all the System Apps (ones you didn't install) will still need to store databases, settings, etc. on the /data partition, because the OS partition is read only.
147mb seems like alot, but my Archos has about the same amount of storage available(~86mb), and I have about the same amount of installed apps(~65mb), so I guess it's right.
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No, the OS is on a different partition, specifically a mounted squashfs. There will always be more data on the /data partition(System Storage) than is listed in the Applications menu. Keep in mind all the System Apps (ones you didn't install) will still need to store databases, settings, etc. on the /data partition, because the OS partition is read only.
147mb seems like alot, but my Archos has about the same amount of storage available(~86mb), and I have about the same amount of installed apps(~65mb), so I guess it's right.
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Thank you for answering that. I thought i was going nuts loomlking fot the missing storage
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Thank you for answering that. I thought i was going nuts loomlking fot the missing storage
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No problem. I never really did the math, but it seems like an awful lot is used by non-download apps. I may have to do some crawling through the file system to see what's using so much.
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No problem. I never really did the math, but it seems like an awful lot is used by non-download apps. I may have to do some crawling through the file system to see what's using so much.
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If you discover anything please let me know. 147mb seems a lot to have gone missing
I contacted Archos support and they gave this answer:
"Dear Customer,
The information given by the 3thd party software is not correct, we do not support 3thrd part software.
Kind Regards,
Archos Technical Support"
So they are not helpful at all. Given the amount of money we pay for these devices you'd think they wouldnt just dissmiss my request for support and perhaps try and help even a little bit....
Do you both think that an operatingsystem can run without any memoryneeds?
Android is build for small memory devices but it still needs some memory or all that ui, threading, file and other services.
It is a bare Linux which consumes around 100MB depending on the features you have installed/switched on.
Hey guys,
Recent iOS convert and still figuring out a lot about my atrix and android in general.
Would someone be willing to give me a rundown on how media and apps are stored?
Specifically, where are Market and non market apps stored on the atrix? Can I control the download location through settings?
The same for music and video? I've been dragging and dropping media to intetnal storage but it appears on my 8 gig SD?
Same goes for beyondpod. Can't figure out the storage path.
A little confused.
Thanks for the help. This is a heck of a community!
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joelszs said:
Hey guys,
Recent iOS convert and still figuring out a lot about my atrix and android in general.
Would someone be willing to give me a rundown on how media and apps are stored?
Specifically, where are Market and non market apps stored on the atrix? Can I control the download location through settings?
The same for music and video? I've been dragging and dropping media to intetnal storage but it appears on my 8 gig SD?
Same goes for beyondpod. Can't figure out the storage path.
A little confused.
Thanks for the help. This is a heck of a community!
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
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First, the "sdcard" is your internal storage. An actual sdcard will be referred to as external or sdcardext, or something like that. You can place music and pics pretty much on either one and the music player and gallery will find it. As for apps, you can download them and most will end up in non-accessible internal memory but you can go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications and select the app and you might or might not have a choice to move to "Phone" or "media Area". The media area will be the external card.
Live is correct, you can put anything on either SD or ExtSD and it will be found. As for the apps they download to /system/apps in the Internal phone storage, unless you do the above and move them to the SD card. To be honest though you've got a ton of storage on the internal phone storage for apps so unless you have like 500+ apps it won't be an issue. As far as how the internal SD is organized basically the Internal phone storage and internal SD are the same thing, the internal phone storage is just partitioned off to be used for the OS and app storage and you see the remainder as usable SD internal storage.
Thanks for the information guys, much appreciated.
This is my first Android device, so sorry for the noob question. I searched, I really did.
How do you view the size of the drives (built-in and microSD) and the amount of space still available on these drives?
When I go to the folder manager, I see "sdcard" and "Removable". The right side arrow allows more information, and this is what's shown:
sdcard: 161MB, 85 files
Removable: 2.12GB, 225 files
The "removable" is the microSD, and the size shown is about how much data is on the drive. No information about how big Android thinks the drive is.
I assumed the "sdcard" is the internal flash memory. On my Transformer, it should be a 32GB capacity. So does that mean I'm only using 161MB of that 32GB? That seem kinda small, so I doubted that I was looking at the right place.
Check out an app on the Market called DiskUsage, Nice little program that shows you all sorts of info on your drives! And it's free!
Settings>Storage. Shows total space and a break down of what is using this space. Shows Internal Storage and MicroSD under that.
No need for an app.
edit: also welcome to Android
+1 or Disk Usage. Very informative. Also prior to installing new apps always check memory usage ( listed in app description).
Thanks all. It's been fun playing with this. xda is great.
Can someone help me figure out what's up with my storage space on my N7? I'm getting a notification saying "Storage space running out". According to this screenshot, I should have about 8.1 GB used. With 13.24 total that should leave me with about 5 GB free. Now I understand there are some other things that take up space, but how can that be over 4.5 GB's worth? Anyone have any ideas on what might be taking up all that space, and if there's anything I can do about it? I have a bunch of pinned documents on my Google drive, but they should be more than a few MB. I don't want to do a full reset and have to re-root and re-add all my apps and documents and media. I've tried rebooting a couple of times with no change. I can add any additional information that would be helpful.
I have the same problem, made a thread and no suggestions. Is this a hardware issue? I don't see any similar issues except for Nexus 7's.
Empty your Chrome cache
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I fixed it by formatting the internal sdcard through TWRP.
Thank for your solution, it works for me
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For future reference, the flash usage reported in that image that you posted is not all inclusive, it only reports storage used by apps/music/videos/downloads, as it says. The reported free space should be correct though, but if you add up the usage that it shows it won't necessarily make sense with the free space that it reports because other things use storage that it is not reporting.
If you have a lot of photos on your device, the gallery view thumbnails seem to use a tremendous amount of data; - nearly 2 gb on mine!! I have used utilities that allow me to clean these to retrieve the space, but the next time I view the gallery, the thumbnails just take up the space again; in addition, the performed task of cleaning them out just makes them load more slowly.
I'm hoping someone may have a trick (or hack) that can move the gallery thumbnails to the external SD card. Considering I only have 16gb of storage to begin with, and nearly 5 of it used up to store the basic OS, I'm not left with much space after installing my favorite apps. Furthermore, the performance on my device seems to be degrading as I approach maximum storage capacity on the internal storage.
I'm aware of programs that allow me to move program data to the external SD, but I have found that it's not uncommon that many programs have a tendency to glitch when using these utilities. I'm really more interested in staying focused on my primary intent of moving JUST the gallery thumbnails to the external SD card in hopes of saving space on my primary storage.
If it matters, my device is a rooted Verizon S5 running KitKat 4.4.4.
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I'm hoping someone may have a trick (or hack) that can move the gallery thumbnails to the external SD card. Considering I only have 16gb of storage to begin with, and nearly 5 of it used up to store the basic OS, I'm not left with much space after installing my favorite apps. Furthermore, the performance on my device seems to be degrading as I approach maximum storage capacity on the internal storage.
I'm aware of programs that allow me to move program data to the external SD, but I have found that it's not uncommon that many programs have a tendency to glitch when using these utilities. I'm really more interested in staying focused on my primary intent of moving JUST the gallery thumbnails to the external SD card in hopes of saving space on my primary storage.
If it matters, my device is a rooted Verizon S5 running KitKat 4.4.4.
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You can use the program FolderMount to make a folder on the Internal SD point to a folder on the External SD.
You may need the premium version to mount a folder that isn't in a data or obb folder.
Links:
FolderMount on Google Play
XDA Developers Topic on Foldermount