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I'm very interested in the Xperia Play, but the limited internal storage memory is a bit of a turnoff. Is there a true solution to avoiding this issue (app2sd?) or will even installing apps on a SD card still leave some data on the internal storage memory.
I'm a bit out of date with Android development since I've been into WebOS. Still plan on buying a Pre 3, but it's tempting to get a Xperia Play as a secondary phone.
vaxick said:
I'm very interested in the Xperia Play, but the limited internal storage memory is a bit of a turnoff. Is there a true solution to avoiding this issue (app2sd?) or will even installing apps on a SD card still leave some data on the internal storage memory.
I'm a bit out of date with Android development since I've been into WebOS. Still plan on buying a Pre 3, but it's tempting to get a Xperia Play as a secondary phone.
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If you use adb you can move 95% of your apps to the sd, freeing up HUGE amounts of internal memory. I was on 40mb free before using adb, now I've like an extra 5 or 10 apps since then and have over 180mb free
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Nhialor said:
If you use adb you can move 95% of your apps to the sd, freeing up HUGE amounts of internal memory. I was on 40mb free before using adb, now I've like an extra 5 or 10 apps since then and have over 180mb free
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I agree, also I'll point out that if you have the device rooted you can use Titanium Backup to do the same thing (I haven't got around to installing the Android SDK to my PC yet). All my Gameloft games etc are <1mb internal. I have loads of games & still running with 165Mb free.
Memory is only a concern if you don't have the know how
As for the Pre 3 I was tempted too cuz I loved all the old PalmOS devices, but I was put off by the fact that they went with a 3.5" screen. Even Apple will be going bigger than this on their next release.
That's not too bad. I might check the phone out soon to make a decision as to if I should get one. I always like having a spare phone just in case something goes wrong with my primary or I go somewhere where I'd like to use one phone over another.
Pre 3 screen is 3.6-inches and I actually don't mind that. I've had a Palm Pre Plus since launch and I've never really been turned off by the screen size. I kinda like the smaller profile of the phone and I'm looking forward to WebOS 3.0. I'm just hoping HP markets WebOS properly to make the platform more attractive to developers.
Trust me it wont be a problem. and like many have said all you have to do is use ADB once and then all your apps are installed on the SD card but even if you dont do that its still plentiful.
Nhialor said:
If you use adb you can move 95% of your apps to the sd, freeing up HUGE amounts of internal memory. I was on 40mb free before using adb, now I've like an extra 5 or 10 apps since then and have over 180mb free
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How could you possibly have 40mb free before?
When I first got my phone last week the remaining memory was like at least 150 - 200mb? I'm running launcher pro now, have all sync and everything switched on, and my remaining RAM is 235MB, remaining INTERNAL STORAGE is 186MB now.
Can titanium backup FREE be used to do everything the paid one does?
everything except batch restore i beleve
danieljamie said:
How could you possibly have 40mb free before?
When I first got my phone last week the remaining memory was like at least 150 - 200mb? I'm running launcher pro now, have all sync and everything switched on, and my remaining RAM is 235MB, remaining INTERNAL STORAGE is 186MB now.
Can titanium backup FREE be used to do everything the paid one does?
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dunno mate, but im not lying...?
I wasn't doubting it just seems odd lol
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I use App 2 SD Pro and it has been working very well. That is why I paid for the pro.
I'm still in the air on the Advanced Task Manager app though. I need to get more into it. I kill the processes and it leaves 3 going. Then a minute later there is about 15 going again. I need to find a permanent stop to a bunch of those apps and figure out how to make them run as needed.
I like to pay for good useful tools.
1) Root phone
2) Install titanium backup
3) Batch move apps to sd card, including unmovable apps
4) Profit
It is as easy as that.
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I use App 2 SD Pro and it has been working very well. That is why I paid for the pro.
I'm still in the air on the Advanced Task Manager app though. I need to get more into it. I kill the processes and it leaves 3 going. Then a minute later there is about 15 going again. I need to find a permanent stop to a bunch of those apps and figure out how to make them run as needed.
I like to pay for good useful tools.
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You cannot stop the system apps or the bloat the phone starts itself unless you uninstall them. Task managers work well for apps you have installed yourself but the stuff that keep resarting will keep restarting no matter how many times to kill them (it will drain your battery and possiblale do more damage then good ).
Root and uninstall the crap from the safe apps to remove list. Also titanium backup free version lets you move the unmovable apps to sd such as ashphalt and fifa e.t.c less then 1mb instead of 30mb will help with internal storage
problem is you can't root 2.3.3
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I have 2.3.2 still.
But I am nervous about killing my warranty.
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problem is you can't root 2.3.3
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You can now
Have a look in the Dev forum...
danieljamie said:
problem is you can't root 2.3.3
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If your bootloader is unlocked you can install the rooted 2.3.3 rom which has been confirmed as being succesfully rooted http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098736. If the bootloader is locked such as mine you are right and will have to wait for a rooting method to appear.
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I have 2.3.2 still.
But I am nervous about killing my warranty.
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Rooting does void it. But if you have a locked bootloader you can use SUES to reinstall the software without the root and not even SE would be able to tell.
Thats alright but I refuse to unlock my bootloader guess I have to wait and I'm stuck with bloatware lol
I see a lot about how to root and unlock the Bootloader but don't see anything on why. I know rooting gives you access to removing the bloat. What does unlocking do? And what can I do without restricting myself to one version of gingerbread for life? Like one guy said I don't know where to start.
Use the adb command to set the install location to memory card
adb pm setInstallLocation 2
It solves most of the issue, and gives the option to move 99% of it apps to sdcard. It also installs the future apps directly to the sdcard. Provided u must be on froyo or higher. Rooting or unrooting doesn't really matter with this.
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I see a lot about how to root and unlock the Bootloader but don't see anything on why. I know rooting gives you access to removing the bloat. What does unlocking do? And what can I do without restricting myself to one version of gingerbread for life? Like one guy said I don't know where to start.
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Unlocking means that, when they get round to it, you can install your own custom roms that are specially themed and other improvements like overclocking the processor.
As you rightly said, rooting lets you remove the bloat, which is great. Also, unlocking means you can flash a rooted stock firmware. However I refuse to unlock my bootloader (YET).
You can wait for more sony ericsson updates, or wait for the android devs to make some cool custom ROM that we will eventually install (with unlocked bootloader).
I just wondered, I'm not sure if this was ever brought up...
Lately, some of my friends have been passing all of their old phones such as Nexus S, Nex4g, HTC HD2, and SGS4G.
Well, I notice that the HTC HD2 and the Nexus S 4G can be partitioned or somehow manipulated that you can install endless apps on that partition. However, even though it is almost the same hardware as the Nexus S, nobody, or has had even tried to do what the Sprint S4G devs has done.
On the vibrant, it always shows that you got about 300 or less MB to install apps. But the problem is, when you overload that, your games/apps/etc., starts to just force close. I noticed that.
So, I searched the Vibrant threads and found nothing or no one has ever increased the amount of MB in their ROM.
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I just wondered, I'm not sure if this was ever brought up...
Lately, some of my friends have been passing all of their old phones such as Nexus S, Nex4g, HTC HD2, and SGS4G.
Well, I notice that the HTC HD2 and the Nexus S 4G can be partitioned or somehow manipulated that you can install endless apps on that partition. However, even though it is almost the same hardware as the Nexus S, nobody, or has had even tried to do what the Sprint S4G devs has done.
On the vibrant, it always shows that you got about 300 or less MB to install apps. But the problem is, when you overload that, your games/apps/etc., starts to just force close. I noticed that.
So, I searched the Vibrant threads and found nothing or no one has ever increased the amount of MB in their ROM.
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Use a Root capable file explorer and create a file in your /datadata folder named .nodatadata (the one on the root of your phone)
After you reboot, it will take much longer than usual, all your installs will move to that folder and you can then install as many apps as you have "Internal Storage".
If you somehow manage to fill this up you can move your largest apps to your Internal SDCARD
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Use a Root capable file explorer and create a file in your /datadata folder named .nodatadata (the one on the root of your phone)
After you reboot, it will take much longer than usual, all your installs will move to that folder and you can then install as many apps as you have "Internal Storage".
If you somehow manage to fill this up you can move your largest apps to your Internal SDCARD
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But isn't it that you use the MicroSD card for this?
Let's make it clear, Internal SD is the Vibrant's and MicroSD is that small sd card.
And maybe I'm just looking at this aspect way to differently. I was under the impression when we do this, and I have done this, it pretty much the same concept as having Apps2SD, right? Or am I wrong still?
(Please, prove me wrong, and explain. No harm)
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I just wondered, I'm not sure if this was ever brought up...
Lately, some of my friends have been passing all of their old phones such as Nexus S, Nex4g, HTC HD2, and SGS4G.
Well, I notice that the HTC HD2 and the Nexus S 4G can be partitioned or somehow manipulated that you can install endless apps on that partition. However, even though it is almost the same hardware as the Nexus S, nobody, or has had even tried to do what the Sprint S4G devs has done.
On the vibrant, it always shows that you got about 300 or less MB to install apps. But the problem is, when you overload that, your games/apps/etc., starts to just force close. I noticed that.
So, I searched the Vibrant threads and found nothing or no one has ever increased the amount of MB in their ROM.
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You must not be using the stock ROM, because that's not a problem on stock. On ROMs where this is the case, however, it is the /datadata partition that's limited. Raistline's .nodatadata solution will work - I'm running that way myself - but you will lose the speed bonus given by using /datadata. The /datadata partition cannot be resized in the way you suggest. I was looking into this too, but apparently the boot process (at least in Passion, the ROM I use) looks for the partitions to be a certain size. If they're not, it has problems. So resizing is not an option. You can either have only ~300MB and have fast operations, or you can get more than that and things can be laggy. (Mind you, it's not very laggy, like I said I am using .nodatadata and everything seems fine.)
300 MB or less for apps? I have 2gb which is plenty
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300 MB or less for apps? I have 2gb which is plenty
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Certain custom ROMs have this restriction. Stock usually does not, and other custom ROMs might not.
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You must not be using the stock ROM, because that's not a problem on stock. On ROMs where this is the case, however, it is the /datadata partition that's limited. Raistline's .nodatadata solution will work - I'm running that way myself - but you will lose the speed bonus given by using /datadata. The /datadata partition cannot be resized in the way you suggest. I was looking into this too, but apparently the boot process (at least in Passion, the ROM I use) looks for the partitions to be a certain size. If they're not, it has problems. So resizing is not an option. You can either have only ~300MB and have fast operations, or you can get more than that and things can be laggy. (Mind you, it's not very laggy, like I said I am using .nodatadata and everything seems fine.)
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Ok, I see.
I just got done messing with ICS Neobuddy, odin'ed to stock, and now running MoPed's Jetpack v9. I don't think this port is stock, but it's as close to stock 2.3.5
Later this week, i'll try out Saurom by Dgr8, and it's 2.3.6.
How did you input .nodatadata on Passion, since it isn't a 'stock' rom?
You think this will be laggy on any Ginger?
It's just a matter of creating a blank file called .nodatadata within the /datadata folder. I did it in a terminal window with "touch .nodatadata" but other methods will work too. If you search for .nodatadata you will find various posts with instructions.
the .nodatadata method allows you to install more than 512MB of apps on the phone, it will allow you to use the full 1.8GB App storage that your phone has stock.
Anything beyond that you can use move the app to SDCARD, which is the phones Internal 16GB of storage. Not all apps are able to use SDCARD installs though.
woofiegrrl said:
It's just a matter of creating a blank file called .nodatadata within the /datadata folder. I did it in a terminal window with "touch .nodatadata" but other methods will work too. If you search for .nodatadata you will find various posts with instructions.
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Oh yeh, i know how, i was just curious how it works or why it worked in Passion. Ok, im jumping ship and flashing Passion.
Raistline said:
the .nodatadata method allows you to install more than 512MB of apps on the phone, it will allow you to use the full 1.8GB App storage that your phone has stock.
Anything beyond that you can use move the app to SDCARD, which is the phones Internal 16GB of storage. Not all apps are able to use SDCARD installs though.
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Thanks Raistline
I need more ram for the phone because it is sooooo slow I only have just 4 apps aside frim the original apps
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Unfortunately there is no way to get more RAM for your phone, as it is a piece of the phone's hardware. I have this phone as well, and yes, it is very slow. All you can do is try to make sure you have as few apps running in the background as possible.
iNTRCPT4lyfe said:
Unfortunately there is no way to get more RAM for your phone, as it is a piece of the phone's hardware. I have this phone as well, and yes, it is very slow. All you can do is try to make sure you have as few apps running in the background as possible.
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The intercept is a piece of trash. I cant believe people still have this phone. The intercept was my first smartphone. I hated it! But that was 3 + years ago. I have a Nexus 4 now.
I had the transform. The sexier version, try a different ROM/kernel. Mine got to an acceptabal speed with my personal ROM. I took out a lot of stuff, kept data and WiFi off. It was usable. Didn't play any games and I never did anything crazy.
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Weekly citvehb
Yep, might tight behind, has kept it. I pay less than half of any other plan in my area, so, for now, i will keep it, and smile every month when i have to pay the bill !!!!!!
In short, I would recommend the App " Link2SD". partition your SD card with and Extension. In Recovery, format system to the same as your Extension. Boot. Run the app.
In short, this takes your apps, only placeing a fragemnt in th esytem, as to where it can find the App, and Places them on the SD card Extension, even Widgets, but it tricks the system, into thinking it has more space than it does. Widgets, they still work as they should, if they were in the phone it self, as a posed to just putting them onto the SD card, cause ya know they won't work that way.
FYI > get Titanium Back Up app, keep it on the SD card. move everything through Links2SD, and you should be fine. If something happens to you card, you really cant get the info back out of the extention...just an FYI.......LMAO
Anyone else connect their phone to a PC and have the internal storage say 9.51GB and not 16GB? Does the phone use up over 6GB for the OS and stock apps? What gives?
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Anyone else connect their phone to a PC and have the internal storage say 9.51GB and not 16GB? Does the phone use up over 6GB for the OS and stock apps? What gives?
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I show 9.62 available on mine. It is kind of odd, but they did add a TON of bloatware. Once we get root and can remove those apps, we should be able to recapture quite a bit back.
highaltitude said:
Anyone else connect their phone to a PC and have the internal storage say 9.51GB and not 16GB? Does the phone use up over 6GB for the OS and stock apps? What gives?
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Could be like the HOX and have around 10 for whatever storage and 6 dedicated for app storage and software/rom
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Yeah...seems pretty typical for a phone. ..they arent lieing as they never said 16gb useable...
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Yeah mine shows 9.62 total space and 8.48 available after installing my apps from previous phone, kinda sucks but at least there is an SD slot.
I was curious so I checked my old Sprint GNEX 32GB, it also has a chunk missing, about 7.5GB missing, so it is similar.
It would be nice if they listed the missing space as Reserved or System etc. instead of not showing it.
Yup guys 16GB total internal. The ROM and software has to sit somewhere on there. And AT&T has added so much crap to it I'm not surprised. But thats what the SD card slot is for yeah?
The stock apps seem to use up at least 1GB, plus any data they have.
Unsure about the system, but even the system for CyanogenMod 10.1 seemed to be around 600-800MB with all cache/data included. With TouchWIZ on these phones and all the extra bloat, it wouldn't surprise me if there were at least another gig in there.
Aou said:
The stock apps seem to use up at least 1GB, plus any data they have.
Unsure about the system, but even the system for CyanogenMod 10.1 seemed to be around 600-800MB with all cache/data included. With TouchWIZ on these phones and all the extra bloat, it wouldn't surprise me if there were at least another gig in there.
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Exactly. I heard the ROM file for the S4 was like 1.2 gigs or something like that. That's without cache and whatever else it needs to do.
I remember when I had the S3 the ROM file was like 800 megs for TW. And for AOSP it was like 250.
Even with a debloated rom its gonna be the same as the system partition is already set regardless of whats on it...just so you guys know of course it is posssiboe for a dev to tweak partition amounts...but they typically dont unless necessary
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For those of you that have the 16GB AND have ROOTED stock, how much more space did you regain by "debloating" the phone and uninstalling all the 3rd party unnecessary apps?
Not that I'm out of space, but after I installed everything I needed, I'm down to 7.15GB (from 9 GB).
Faluzure said:
For those of you that have the 16GB AND have ROOTED stock, how much more space did you regain by "debloating" the phone and uninstalling all the 3rd party unnecessary apps?
Not that I'm out of space, but after I installed everything I needed, I'm down to 7.15GB (from 9 GB).
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If you're on AT&T I would strongly recommend just freezing them. Until we have a recovery, finding out you debloated something you need will mean doing a factory reset (if you're lucky).
Debloating does not give you any space
All system apps are in the system partition...so whether the apps are installed or not the system partition doesn't change and remains unusable
You will have to wait for a dev to change the partition size
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Ah I see. Thanks guys. I was just asking to figure out whether I should swap my 16GB for the 32GB. Not sure if the near $85 cost is worth it.
Faluzure said:
Ah I see. Thanks guys. I was just asking to figure out whether I should swap my 16GB for the 32GB. Not sure if the near $85 cost is worth it.
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Dude, you could get a 64GB sdcard and throw it in your s4 16gig for less than the $85 AND not have to go through the hassle of exchange...That is 80 GB obvious not all usable, but still that's a lot on a phone....
rb420 said:
Dude, you could get a 64GB sdcard and throw it in your s4 16gig for less than the $85 AND not have to go through the hassle of exchange...That is 80 GB obvious not all usable, but still that's a lot on a phone....
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Oh I do have the 64GB SDcard. According to this post, App2SD isn't officially supported in JB: [ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40740150&postcount=6 ]. I know there are some apps that let you do it after you root (such as FolderMount & TiBackup). But if it's going away per Google design, I would just rather not relying on App2SD.
I was just curious.
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Oh I do have the 64GB SDcard. According to this post, App2SD isn't officially supported in JB: [ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40740150&postcount=6 ]. I know there are some apps that let you do it after you root (such as FolderMount & TiBackup). But if it's going away per Google design, I would just assume to keep doing it.
I was just curious.
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Cool. I get where you are coming from. I just picked up the 16GB version today. Seems like 16 GB should be enough for all the apps etc, then I'm just going to put all of my Media on my SD card.
That being said, I think I am going to take the plunge and root it today and try flashing the custom recovery. (fingers crossed)
Google really is become less and less open as time passes eh?
rb420 said:
Cool. I get where you are coming from. I just picked up the 16GB version today. Seems like 16 GB should be enough for all the apps etc, then I'm just going to put all of my Media on my SD card.
That being said, I think I am going to take the plunge and root it today and try flashing the custom recovery. (fingers crossed)
Google really is become less and less open as time passes eh?
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Yeah. I'm not the kind of phone user who has apps that uses gigs and gigs of data (AKA games). However one of the things I really liked about Android was the App2SD option, as there are some apps that I rarely use (but still use) that I'd rather put on SD. I never really cared how fast they loaded as long as I had them installed.
I'm still going to root but I wanted to ask around. Still, 16GB was much larger than on my previous phone (which had 1 Gig free) but wouldn't install anything after you got down to 200MB free.
I'm very happy with this phone.
rb420 said:
Cool. I get where you are coming from. I just picked up the 16GB version today. Seems like 16 GB should be enough for all the apps etc, then I'm just going to put all of my Media on my SD card.
That being said, I think I am going to take the plunge and root it today and try flashing the custom recovery. (fingers crossed)
Google really is become less and less open as time passes eh?
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I hope you have a Canadian model because if you try flashing on an AT&T model with a locked bootloader you will have a nice brick. Or it wont let you flash. Either way, I hope you have a canadian model or one with an unlocked bootloader.
geoldr said:
I hope you have a Canadian model because if you try flashing on an AT&T model with a locked bootloader you will have a nice brick. Or it wont let you flash. Either way, I hope you have a canadian model or one with an unlocked bootloader.
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I do, thank you. With Bell mobility.