Hi guys, I have a Galaxy S4 I9505, and I've been reading for a while about KNOX "Counter". I want to root my S4, but I want to know if I root or unroot my KNOX Counter will increase from 0x0 to 0x1? And it is so, I can reset that Counter to 0x0? Because I don't want to lose my warranty.
Thanks in advance!
These are really basic question and have been asked a 1000 times already. If you really did read about Knox you would have find those basic anwsers. I don't think you have read much about Knox. There is a big thread here about Knox. You find your anwsers there.
Lennyz1988 said:
These are really basic question and have been asked a 1000 times already. If you really did read about Knox you would have find those basic anwsers. I don't think you have read much about Knox. There is a big thread here about Knox. You find your anwsers there.
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There are so many informations that you don't know want to trust or not, and I didn't said I read here on xda, you could give me a link, but thanks for help!
Rooting will Void Your Warranty but it will give u\you access to new world..
Knox
my friend, the link below is described completely the knox...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832
its no problem if your device has not guaranty.
Ya I think that your device gt i9505 support triangleaway so you can reset your flash counter.
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samsung gt i9505 support triangle away, and reset counter.
But counter Knox, you can not reset.
just to clarify for you...."flash counter" is a counter that increases each time you flash a rom or whatever. the know 0x1 is a flag which doesn't continually increase, it will either be 0x0 meaning that it's a stock/official system, or it will be 0x1 meaning that the knox flag has been tripped because some part of the system has been modified (e.g. flashing custom rom or recovery, or rooting etc).
so if you want a totally official/full warranty guarantee, don't modify the device in anyway. if you've gone past your warranty date or just don't care about it then you can root/install custom roms kernels and recoveries, but this will likely trip the knox flag if you have the kitkat bootloader.
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Hey,
I wanted to de-brand my phone from carrier's rom, and i put MGA from this forum (pre-rooted version). I didn't know that in two very small OTA's i would update to MH8 since there were no description to any of them, so i'm now on MH8 unfortunatly.
In Download Mode i have official mode, KNOX Warranty Void 0x0 (so i have my warranty still, right?) and now i want to know two things:
1. How can i root it withouth having 0x1 flag or any other problem? Is it even possible?
2. What triggers that KNOX flag? What to avoid etc.? I want to be as cautious as i can so i wont lose my warranty. (at least till somebody figures how to disable/downgrade knox/bootloader).
If you try to root your phone then the knox flag will turn to 0x1. I do not know what triggers this flag. But I saw a post in google+ fron chainfire there is nothing you can do if you want to return your phone in full stock with warranty because of knox flag. I rooted my sgs4 and I flashed an aosp custom rom and recovery but now I am in full stock and the knox flag remains 0x1. Triangle away is not a solution for that. Just give developers some time to figure this out.
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Yea, i saw same post on his account, just couldn't find any list of things that sets that flag to 0x1. And i do value my warranty more then root a little bit. Good thing is that KNOX is being deployed to more and more roms and phones (not that great for them actually) but this should mean that there will be more devs to look at this problem and there should be fix sooner. Hope some1 will do his magic and be able to reset this, as its just software, i don't belive it can't be cracked.
Thanks for answer!
Alright, where to begin.
I've owned quite a few Samsung phones by now and I've rooted every single one of them and installed custom recovery and ROMs. But with KNOX on the S4 this has made me unsure...
What will happen to my device when I root it now? I figure it'll trigger the Knox flag to 0x1. What are the drawbacks of that? Will it affect the function of my device?
And is the rooting procedure done as usual with Odin like on the S3?
And maybe most of all, is it worth rooting the S4 and installing custom ROMs?
Many questions, but I haven't found any real answers to any of them...
Nothing will happen to your device when counter z 0×1
Drawback z you'll void ur warranty & youll not get official updates if u r on I9500.If ur on I9505 then triangle away can solve both problems.No function gets hampers until you really mess with ur phone but that's after root
Yes the procedure z same
Well if ur on I9500 then there r only customised stock version nothing much only debloated or deodexed.If ur on I9505 then definitely worth it
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Triangle away dont do much with the knox . Once trigger there is no way at the moment to reset this.
hjertis said:
Alright, where to begin.
I've owned quite a few Samsung phones by now and I've rooted every single one of them and installed custom recovery and ROMs. But with KNOX on the S4 this has made me unsure...
What will happen to my device when I root it now? I figure it'll trigger the Knox flag to 0x1. What are the drawbacks of that? Will it affect the function of my device?
And is the rooting procedure done as usual with Odin like on the S3?
And maybe most of all, is it worth rooting the S4 and installing custom ROMs?
Many questions, but I haven't found any real answers to any of them...
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What happens when you actually get Knox flagged to 0x1?
You basically lose the ability to install Knox softwares, and your device will be flagged as 'insecure', which means if your company allows employees to bring their own device to work for accessing corporate emails etc and they use knox to keep security, your device will not allow this. However, you will still have the ability to use future samsung firmware releases even though you have the knox flagged.
How do you trigger Knox?
You still can root your phone with CFautoroot, but that will trigger knox to flagged to 0x1. If you try to downgrade your firmware, knox will also trigger to 0x1, therefore, once you upgrade to new bootloader, there is no way to go back to old bootloader without knox. (I would suggest if you do not want knox, but you want the new firmware, you've got to manually flash the modem.bin files using Odin)
Lastly, there is still a big question mark as to whether Samsung will actually service devices with knox 0x1
kenshi08 said:
What happens when you actually get Knox flagged to 0x1?
You basically lose the ability to install Knox softwares, and your device will be flagged as 'insecure', which means if your company allows employees to bring their own device to work for accessing corporate emails etc and they use knox to keep security, your device will not allow this. However, you will still have the ability to use future samsung firmware releases even though you have the knox flagged.
How do you trigger Knox?
You still can root your phone with CFautoroot, but that will trigger knox to flagged to 0x1. If you try to downgrade your firmware, knox will also trigger to 0x1, therefore, once you upgrade to new bootloader, there is no way to go back to old bootloader without knox. (I would suggest if you do not want knox, but you want the new firmware, you've got to manually flash the modem.bin files using Odin)
Lastly, there is still a big question mark as to whether Samsung will actually service devices with knox 0x1
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I agree with you except last words. Modem has nothing to do with knox... flashing a different modem version from rest of FW version (ROM and CSC) will probably give some data or voice problems, and he will still have the same android 4.2.2 version....
What I suggest if he wants last FW, is just flash it, root it, delete all knox files, assume he will have knox bit activated, and enjoy it.
just saw geohots rooting solution called towelroot... any of you guys out there tried it on a s4 i9500 ? how bout knox flag ?
currently running android 4.4.2.. let me know and thanks !
the Knox warranty void counter is that if you'll root your device, your Knox app will not work on your device.there is no possible way to reset the Knox counter as for now.You never get OTA updates, because your phone will turn Official status to Custom.triangle away will reset the flash counter, but it will not reset the Knox warranty void counter.
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fleming.patel said:
the Knox warranty void counter is that if you'll root your device, your Knox app will not work on your device.there is no possible way to reset the Knox counter as for now.You never get OTA updates, because your phone will turn Official status to Custom.triangle away will reset the flash counter, but it will not reset the Knox warranty void counter.
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well I think you havent heard from geohots new rooting method, he claims to be able to root s5 and note 3 with the single installation of his application and pressing one single button. he even said when he tried it on his phone, knox counter was never tripped to 0x1. I was already aware of how knox worked and that there wasnt any rooting method that wont trip the knox flag. but as soon as I saw it on the forums, I went straight to ask if someone tested it on a i9500. so, anyone ?
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why don't you try it yourself?
Gloris said:
why don't you try it yourself?
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because i cant afford tripping knox and losing my warranty. just wanted to know if anyone had already done it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2786128
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it's not 9500, but still an s4
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Thread Closed - Please see this thread towelroot works and Knox stays 0x0 after root
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Been trying to look for an answer but all related thread seem to talk about KNOX tripped (counter 0x1)... But my case is different here.
I have rooted my S5 G900F with Towelroot without tripping KNOX. Right now the phone is running stock NG2 firmware with root and KNOX disabled (KNOX counter remain 0x0, device status Custom).
Due to work requirement, I need to encrypt my phone, but encryption won't works with KNOX disabled. My question is, is it possible to enable KNOX (while rooted), then go on with encryption and disable KNOX after the encryption. If so, how? What is the effect of having KNOX enabled while remain rooted?
Good question
This question has been asked in the CF-Root thread many times. CF recommends to keep it disabled. Otherwise, the phone will be unstable (autoreboot) and other strange things could happen. Read CF-Root thread for more details.
After some reading, it seems like you can restore KNOX by: unrooting with superSU, flashing a stock rom, and do a data factory reset.
Check this link for more info: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/help/unroot-rooted-towelroot-sm-g900f-t2804788
Hope this helps.
TheSamWolf said:
After some reading, it seems like you can restore KNOX by: unrooting with superSU, flashing a stock rom, and do a data factory reset.
Hope this helps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/help/unroot-rooted-towelroot-sm-g900f-t2804788
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The system status and current binaries both have to be showed as official in downloadmode to use KNOX.
Dark_Avenger said:
This question has been asked in the CF-Root thread many times. CF recommends to keep it disabled. Otherwise, the phone will be unstable (autoreboot) and other strange things could happen. Read CF-Root thread for more details.
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I read that, but I didn't use CF-Root to obtain root (as it well trip KNOX), i used TowelRoot (without tripping KNOX). Don't know if it would behave the same as the CF-Root method.
Thanks for pointing out.
TheSamWolf said:
After some reading, it seems like you can restore KNOX by: unrooting with superSU, flashing a stock rom, and do a data factory reset.
Check this link for more info: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/help/unroot-rooted-towelroot-sm-g900f-t2804788
Hope this helps.
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That means I have to unroot it, not exactly what i'm looking for...
AFAIK Knox (the software container) will never ever be enabled when you are rooted (even with Knox counter set to 0x0).
I believe it checks on root access.
As I understand it correctly, the company where you work for only requires that your phone is encrypted and not manageable ?
I work for one of the largest companies in the world and my phone (S3) is not allowed to be rooted.
The container software (Airwatch) checks on that.
When every check is confirmed, only then will it make a container and encrypts the data in that container.
And from administrators it can be managed, like remote wipe, anti-theft, etc
speedme said:
AFAIK Knox (the software container) will never ever be enabled when you are rooted (even with Knox counter set to 0x0).
I believe it checks on root access.
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That was my understanding too!
To re-enable KNOX, reflash stock firmware as described. After that, you can try again (towel) rooting your device, and Do Not disable KNOX. Though, I read that root will not work quite correctly?
Please write back with your results if you try it!!!
You probably right that Knox won't work when phone is rooted...
Well, with My Knox available now, no full phone encryption is required (as encryption will only be within the Knox container). Maybe one fine day I'll reset my phone, root then unroot temporary in order to try My Knox...
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Hey Guys,
I have a doubt on using KNOX.
Actually I don't care about tripping my Knox Counter. (0x1) but I just require to know whether I can use KNOX just like before rooting without any problems?
If Warranty is the only concern to be worried about , due to rooting of the phone; I can live with it, but does rooting limits/restricts the users from using KNOX and any/all of its functionality totally?
xda rocks said:
Hey Guys,
I have a doubt on using KNOX.
Actually I don't care about tripping my Knox Counter. (0x1) but I just require to know whether I can use KNOX just like before rooting without any problems?
If Warranty is the only concern to be worried about , due to rooting of the phone; I can live with it, but does rooting limits/restricts the users from using KNOX and any/all of its functionality totally?
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In my experience(for what it's worth, lol), I have seen no performance issues with Knox functionality by rooting. Flashing through Odin trips the warranty counter and voids warranty. There are apps that disable Knox but the ones I've seen warn you before doing so. Hope that helps. Good luck
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xda rocks said:
Hey Guys,
I have a doubt on using KNOX.
Actually I don't care about tripping my Knox Counter. (0x1) but I just require to know whether I can use KNOX just like before rooting without any problems?
If Warranty is the only concern to be worried about , due to rooting of the phone; I can live with it, but does rooting limits/restricts the users from using KNOX and any/all of its functionality totally?
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You will NEVER be able to use the Knox Container EVER again after ur counter says 0x1... Samsung made it for business enterprises for security concerns, if these *Android Hackers and Modders* will just bypass the Knox security then Samsung wouldn't have business enterprises using the Knox Container because it can just easily be bypassed..
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trettet said:
You will NEVER be able to use the Knox Container EVER again after ur counter says 0x1... Samsung made it for business enterprises for security concerns, if these *Android Hackers and Modders* will just bypass the Knox security then Samsung wouldn't have business enterprises using the Knox Container because it can just easily be bypassed..
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Makes sense...!!! But I see almost everyone requesting to get a root access mentioning about Warranty void. I was wondering if that is the only reason can we use knox even after making our phone warranty void. Anyways I got the idea. :sly:
I need help
please some one .. i need help and it's so important . one of my friend encrypted his data though knox and regardless of what super su and root do with knox and it's disabling knox ... he rooted his phone ! (he is todler and didn't take notice )
anyway his knox now is disabled and he can't access to his data because in security knox is disabled .. how can we enable knox so he can decrypt knox with password and access to his data ... thanks in advance and keep in mind that please guys if you are not sure about how can solve problem without losing data , guide me . data encrypted with knox is so important to him .
target device is Galaxy note 3 n9005 .
You cant use knox on rooted device
When uroot your device, ur device status nd binaries change to custom. KNOX checks that. If the binaries are custom, you cant use KNOX ever.
Is there a way to completely unroot and go back to KNOX 0x0, all official? Even if we pay Samsung service centre?
true sir, my Samsung Galaxy S7 edge unable to even install myknox after flash back to stock rom
Was looking at some random threads and found this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60775776&postcount=5
Any tutorial on how to do this?
Also is there any value in keeping KNOX 0x0 now that my warranty has expired? It's not that the S5 can use Samsung Pay right? It needs that MFE(?) chip?
Thanks
poop
If you have KitKat on your phone, you can follow this guide.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2843044
You will be able to towelroot your device and flash a pre rooted lollipop firmware.
If you want to flash and root the latest Lollipop firmware for your device, you need to towelroot while still on KitKat, and then use Flashfire to flash (and root) your chosen LP firmware......
The Flashfire thread will help guide you....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3075433
Concerning the value of keeping Knox at 0x0, that depends entirely on what you want to do with your phone......
Yes, Knox has a direct bearing on warranty, but as you said, your warranty has expired, so that doesn't matter.
It also has a bearing on whether you can use your device on business (enterprise) networks.....tripped Knox = no access.
If you decide to go back to full official, tripped Knox has been known to impact OTA......Tripped Knox = no OTA Upgrade
Don't quote me on this last one, but I *think* I've read that tripping knox breaks S Health functionality......I may be wrong on that one though.....
http://i.imgur.com/rVnFwJM.jpg
I've tripped knox, and my S Health works fine.
24fan4life said:
I've tripped knox, and my S Health works fine.
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Thanks for the input @24fan4life, good to know......
OP.....The rest of the advice still stands unless anybody knows of anything else affected by knox......
http://i.imgur.com/rVnFwJM.jpg