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So I got to play with an S4 today...

... Not enough to make me regret my purchase of the HTC One.
My previous phone was a S3, which I absolutely loved and had me seriously excited about the S4. However, holding the one I knew which one to go for. Had my one for about 2 weeks now, and I love it but had that niggling worry that I'd regret my decision.
Today, that worry was cleared up.
The Samsung rep visited us today with an s4. and I got to play with it for a short while. Yes, the ability to interact with the screen without touching it is pretty cool, but apart from the lock screen I started getting frustrated with it (kept touching the screen). The health app is very nice, and laid out really well, but like many of the other features, its just not something I need or want.
The actual UI felt laggy, like it was running slower that 24fps. Switching through home pages on both devices at the same time and it just looked smoother on the One. The Samsung rep said he felt otherwise but he is paid to say that
The screen on the S4, in my opinion is much nicer than the one on my One. Granted, the One has quite a dark coloured interface and the S4 has a very colourful vibrant interface, but I just felt the colours were much more alive than on the One.
The build quality is nice on the S4, with all completely uniform gaps around the device, where as the one has gaps etc. However, the S4 does indeed feel cheap to hold. The texture of the plastic doesn't feel amazing, the weight is nice but just lacks that... premium feel.
I know most of these points (if not all) have been covered on reviews etc. but I thought it might be nice to put my 2 pence in as a HTC One owner and previous Samsung user. I do not regret my purchase and still feel I have bought the better device for my own needs and wants.
raty

cool story bro

For balance just to say my One has no gaps, perfect build.
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To be fair I'd love a display with a bezel like the S4 but wouldn't sacrifice the quality of the screen in the One for a S4 display.

The thing is..the screen on the S4 is OLED so the colours will look far more vibrant but, they wont be accurate and its a pentile display. I am quite keen to get my hands on an S4 just to see what its like.

I would say the HTC One is like a Rolls Royce Phantom and the S4 like a Nissan GTR.

Goof choice. I was on deciding which phone to get for a month. Chose the HTC one . Boom sound is awesome. Sense is pretttyyyyy compared to touchwiz. For 649 vs 750 for a s4, it was a no brainer for me. Also im going to sell hundreds of s4 throughout this year anyways lol
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gavinfabl said:
I would say the HTC One is like a Rolls Royce Phantom and the S4 like a Nissan GTR.
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Some nice info there mate! I think the only thing i prefer on the S4 is the AMOLED display.
Can i ask a question? Before i do, i know the S4 has improved ALOT on the PPI on the display, however, when i had the S3 i also had my One X, when holding them together, the screen on the One X was such much clearer! Much harder to see the Pixels, but on the S3 the pixels stood out like a sore thumb? Was this something you noticed on the S4 compared to the One? Or have they dramatically improved on this and its now similar to HTC? This is something i would like to know.

My HTC One has no gaps at all.
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dobknobby said:
Some nice info there mate! I think the only thing i prefer on the S4 is the AMOLED display.
Can i ask a question? Before i do, i know the S4 has improved ALOT on the PPI on the display, however, when i had the S3 i also had my One X, when holding them together, the screen on the One X was such much clearer! Much harder to see the Pixels, but on the S3 the pixels stood out like a sore thumb? Was this something you noticed on the S4 compared to the One? Or have they dramatically improved on this and its now similar to HTC? This is something i would like to know.
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I was curious about this too, as I had hopes AMOLED had been improved. But honestly I see the same flaws as on earlier iterations:
Dirty whites (turquoise), even in film mode (early measurements reported accurate color temperature, but if you look at it, it is clear that RGB balance is off) - most colorimeters can't measure OLED correctly.
Quite a bit dimmer than the best LCD displays
Discoloration with off axis viewing
Are you sure you prefer the AMOLED screen? I have had an AMOLED for the last 2 years and I can't look at them anymore. AMOLED were OK when LCD's were dimmer, but now the gap is huge.
Honestly, if you can, try browsing the same web pages in parallel on the S4 and the One. It is literally "night and day". It doesn't need to be outdoor. Even in the store the HTC One's screen strikes you as the more vibrant one. I will likely be measuring the S4's screen myself because I don't believe those early measurements that showed a 6500K color temperature. The screen has a green push even in film mode...
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The actual UI felt laggy, like it was running slower that 24fps. Switching through home pages on both devices at the same time and it just looked smoother on the One. The Samsung rep said he felt otherwise but he is paid to say that
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I also saw that!!! I was very surprised by this considering my S2 had a smooth experience. I don't know if the overclocking created voltage throttling but it was as you said, laggy and reminded me of the HTC One X when it first started. The browsing experience was horrible.

Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).

The new oled screen in the S4 is amazingly good. It's actually far superior to the S3 screen.
I played with it on Sunday and I like it.
It's really nice and it will definately sell really well. I love the fact that they added easy mode. This will be such a great way to get noobies to switch to a smartphone($$).
I still prefer the One and I hope it does well. I feel like the One is meant for a different type of user. Samsung is for the mass and the HTC is for those who care.
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NZtechfreak said:
Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).
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I have seen the display mate contribution. I like their approach but I don't agree with their conclusions (and it should be noted they have been fierce promoters of OLED displays since the Galaxy S came about).
For one, they fail to mention that even though the measured white color temperature is close to 6500K, the whites actually suffer from greenish cast - so pentile does matter, as there is a discoloration depending on how you look at the screen, and sadly, looking straight at the screen shows a turquoise veil whereas looking more from the side seemed to clean the screen a little from its dirty whites.
Second, the auto-adjust brightness feature taxes the battery so much that no one in their right mind will use it on the go.
When measuring pentile OLED displays it is important to note:
The orientation of the meter has an impact on the measurement, especially on screens with asymmetric structure such as pentile screens...this is something that I would like to quantify on the S4 when I get a chance
Colorimeters will not measure OLED displays correctly out of the box (this point is not relevant here, though, because I think Displaymate used CS-200 spectrophotometer)
So the theory is one thing, but the practice is completely different story. Please believe me that when I saw the measurements made by Displaymate and others I was quite enthusiastic (my S2 does not track as accurately). But while testing both screens in a real life situation, it became very clear to me the AMOLED screen did not live up to its alleged qualities, even in film mode.
Regarding peak brightness, HTC One also has an adaptative brightness mechanism with peak brightness at 530cd/m², but in daily use it is more around 460cd/m². Regardless, the lack of brightness is not totally offset by the better reflectance value, so OLED displays still are poorer performers outdoor and it is even worse indoor under moderate lightning as the S4 does not tap into its peak brightness at any time...
So my question to you. Have you been to a shop to compare both devices and if so, can you in good faith maintain that the HTC One's display does not trounce the S4's AMOLED? The difference was shocking to me. At first I thought it was down to my particular unit but seeing as someone is reporting the same experience, I think this is the screen as it is on any S4 device.

hello00 said:
cool story bro
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wow really?

NZtechfreak said:
Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).
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That's true, I wouldn't even bother nitpicking on S4's screen. The only concern could be AMOLED tends to deteriorate faster(which is impossible to tell right now), otherwise I don't see a big con on S4 screen. I feel more comfortable with LCD but hey , a well-calibrated AMOLED isn't bad at all. it's just about preference.
Honestly, if anyone could tell a difference between 440/460 ppi, or even 720p/1080p on a phone, and I'll consider you the "God's eye". I got a phone with 330 ppi (darn it was good at that time) three months ago, and I could not easily tell the difference from my nexus7(~220ppi).

puremind said:
So my question to you. Have you been to a shop to compare both devices and if so, can you in good faith maintain that the HTC One's display does not trounce the S4's AMOLED? The difference was shocking to me. At first I thought it was down to my particular unit but seeing as someone is reporting the same experience, I think this is the screen as it is on any S4 device.
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Hopefully tomorrow! I'm meant to be getting my HTC One this afternoon unless Fedex fails me (usually they are very reliable here in NZ, so I'm hoping not). I get my S4 tomorrow.

NZtechfreak said:
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Don't forget the common issue with ugly screen burn in that most people experience with AMOLED from Samsung, pretty big issue as its a matter of when not if and sometimes happening inside of a month, don't even need your screen on for this to happen.
Noidea why this hasn't been mentioned and really should be on the side of the box as a warning.

patato2 said:
That's true, I wouldn't even bother nitpicking on S4's screen. The only concern could be AMOLED tends to deteriorate faster(which is impossible to tell right now), otherwise I don't see a big con on S4 screen. I feel more comfortable with LCD but hey , a well-calibrated AMOLED isn't bad at all. it's just about preference.
Honestly, if anyone could tell a difference between 440/460 ppi, or even 720p/1080p on a phone, and I'll consider you the "God's eye". I got a phone with 330 ppi (darn it was good at that time) three months ago, and I could not easily tell the difference from my nexus7(~220ppi).
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Pentile doesn't matter so much because of resolution but more because of the greenish discoloration it produces. Dynamic or Film mode has no impact, it is just an inherent flaw. Sure you can get used to it but you come back to an LCD screen you realize what you have been missing out on.

HTC One Sharp panel digitiser issue

As we all know HTC One cam with 3 types of screen
those are JDİ c_1, JDİ c_2 ans Sharp panel
it was kind of wierd that all new phones have in cell touch technology where touch sensor integrated in screen, advantages with that slimmer phone, brighter screen and less reflection.
HTC chose old fasion but issue with that especially on sharp panel digitiser visible and its whe you notice annoys you.

What am I supposed to be noticing here?

I think he's talking about those lines. Personally, i consider that a viewing angle issue.
As someone who returned his phone twice for aesthetic reasons, this one would not bother me.
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finalhit said:
I think he's talking about those lines. Personally, i consider that a viewing angle issue.
As someone who returned his phone twice for aesthetic reasons, this one would not bother me.
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If it is those lines, then it isn't a Sharp panel issue in particular, mine doesn't have this. Just checked.

Pointlol said:
If it is those lines, then it isn't a Sharp panel issue in particular, mine doesn't have this. Just checked.
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You need to angle it correctly with sunlight(only) to be able to see it. It won't show up on artificial lights.

Riyal said:
You need to angle it correctly with sunlight(only) to be able to see it. It won't show up on artificial lights.
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Thanks. Just tried this and it was INCREDIBLY hard to see the lines, but they were there. I couldn't even make out the screen anymore since I had to put it directly in the sun in a retarded angle. Would not have noticed this in a million years. Maybe it's worse on some screens, on mine it's a non issue

No lines with JDI_C2 panel

Pointlol said:
Thanks. Just tried this and it was INCREDIBLY hard to see the lines, but they were there. I couldn't even make out the screen anymore since I had to put it directly in the sun in a retarded angle. Would not have noticed this in a million years. Maybe it's worse on some screens, on mine it's a non issue
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well mine is very noticible and alot are

This is a pointless thread adding negativity to a phone with probably the best screen in the market. I had both JDI and Sharp. It is visible in both, maybe Sharp a little more but i have already mentioned the benefits of this panel.

TRiBaL1981 said:
This is a pointless thread adding negativity to a phone with probably the best screen in the market. I had both JDI and Sharp. It is visible in both, maybe Sharp a little more but i have already mentioned the benefits of this panel.
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Hi, where have you mention benefits of this panel? can i see
thanks

For those having the issue, are these lines only visible when outdoors in bright light and holding the phone at an unusually sharp angle? Can you see the lines when viewing the phone from a normal angle? You can see where I'm going with this.

henrybravo said:
For those having the issue, are these lines only visible when outdoors in bright light and holding the phone at an unusually sharp angle? Can you see the lines when viewing the phone from a normal angle? You can see where I'm going with this.
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its there mate and more than you say i live in very sunny place and its very noticable i have just exchanged it no visible lines on JDİ screen

cihanleanne said:
its there mate and more than you say i live in very sunny place and its very noticable i have just exchanged it no visible lines on JDİ screen
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I'm not pretty sure though... Mine is a samsung JDI screen and I can see the lines when phone is facing direct sunlight and looking in a 120 degree angle Anyways I don't use my phone like that and it's not a bother to me. Honestly I just noticed it 3 times since getting the phone.

You can see the lines clearly in the sunlight. Like you normally hold your phone, they go away if you angle it more towards yourself. They are a huge flaw. I have never seen any phone have this crap
I have owned
S2, s3, optimus g, Xperia s, HTC one x, lumia620

I can only see them when the screen is turned off, and holding the phone in a way no one uses their phone... And then it is barely noticeable. The One X had this as well.
My biggest issue, however, is that when I hold the phone at a certain angle and focus my eyes differently, I can see my reflection. I hope warranty covers the reflection issue :crying:
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mine is really bad i have jdi its normal but sharp was awful

Stop harassing People with honest complaints
TRiBaL1981 said:
This is a pointless thread adding negativity to a phone with probably the best screen in the market. I had both JDI and Sharp. It is visible in both, maybe Sharp a little more but i have already mentioned the benefits of this panel.
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I too noticed lines and also noticed a small purple burn in image on my screen. My phone is less than a Month old and I have had plenty of high end phones that do not share the HTC ONEs screen problems that I have experienced thus far. The phone is great, and I do not feel people should be scared of other people who make sharp comments negating their honest views. I hate closed minds. I applaud everyone who expresses their individual problems with a device they paid top dollar for. Just because we highlight certain areas of a phone does not mean we are not credible in our complaints.
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You can see the lines clearly in the sunlight. Like you normally hold your phone, they go away if you angle it more towards yourself. They are a huge flaw. I have never seen any phone have this crap
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S2, s3, optimus g, Xperia s, HTC one x, lumia620
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I second this flaw. Don't let people tell you this is natural. Neither my iPhone or Galaxy S4 has showed these lines and if they did I would comment. I can also see mine at a correct viewing angle in outside sunlight. I should note I love my HTC ONe. I share no brand "fan boy" feelings.

cihanleanne said:
Hi, where have you mention benefits of this panel? can i see
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The benefits (since you asked):
1. Best brightness value
2. Best viewing angles
3. Most accurate color display/calibration
4. Highest pixel density (marginal, I know, but the numbers are what they are)
5. Most natural white temperature
All of these confirmed through various reviews/comparisons of current android phones. I can also personally attest to these through my own comparisons with numerous phones side by side. This does not include iphone 5 which is better still in most of these categories.
So the point made (and a very valid point I would say) was that if we have to deal with this insignificant "problem" to have a better display in most other senses, for me that's a no-brainer. No one in these threads seems to accept that yes, it's normal for this phone. Maybe that's not ideal for some for whatever reason and that's totally fair, lucky them there's other excellent phones to choose from. Everyone has their own priorities
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I've gone through 4 one's and 3/4 had that and my last one doesn't.

Terrorantula said:
I've gone through 4 one's and 3/4 had that and my last one doesn't.
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Hi i got my excahnge JDİ panel ts not visible unless extreme same as any phone only sharp panels have ths issue badly
onetongwa said:
I too noticed lines and also noticed a small purple burn in image on my screen. My phone is less than a Month old and I have had plenty of high end phones that do not share the HTC ONEs screen problems that I have experienced thus far. The phone is great, and I do not feel people should be scared of other people who make sharp comments negating their honest views. I hate closed minds. I applaud everyone who expresses their individual problems with a device they paid top dollar for. Just because we highlight certain areas of a phone does not mean we are not credible in our complaints.
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I second this flaw. Don't let people tell you this is natural. Neither my iPhone or Galaxy S4 has showed these lines and if they did I would comment. I can also see mine at a correct viewing angle in outside sunlight. I should note I love my HTC ONe. I share no brand "fan boy" feelings.
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Thank you but Galaxy S4 and phone 5 has integrated touch sensors. saying that i have my one x its not visible its issue comes with certain types

Turbo or not

I got my turbo the day it arrived in the store. I opted for the ballistic 64 gig version and right from the start I want blown away like I hoped It would be. The battery should be a monster but didn't last any money than my. S 4 or my note 3 but it did charge quickly. The screen was impressive but wasnt bright enough for me outside. The sound was loud and clear. But the wow factor just didn't grab me like my old razer maxx did when it come on the scene. I kept it several days playing around with it but decided I would go for the note 4 instead this time. Maybe the next moto will be the one not the nexus 6 cause the note is at the limits of how big a screen I want. I did like the android on it as it was closer to being pure vanilla android certainly comparison to the note but just want the one for me this time. Just thought I'd share . What do the other owners think? Was it what you wanted it to be? Just curious. Jesse
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That's a honest review. All up to you and your opinion. For many this phone is amazing. For me it surely is because I came from a lg g2 and have never used Motorola ui other than the atrix hd. The screen, battery life, and speaker sound demolishes my g2

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I got my turbo the day it arrived in the store. I opted for the ballistic 64 gig version and right from the start I want blown away like I hoped It would be. The battery should be a monster but didn't last any money than my. S 4 or my note 3 but it did charge quickly. The screen was impressive but wasnt bright enough for me outside. The sound was loud and clear. But the wow factor just didn't grab me like my old razer maxx did when it come on the scene. I kept it several days playing around with it but decided I would go for the note 4 instead this time. Maybe the next moto will be the one not the nexus 6 cause the note is at the limits of how big a screen I want. I did like the android on it as it was closer to being pure vanilla android certainly comparison to the note but just want the one for me this time. Just thought I'd share . What do the other owners think? Was it what you wanted it to be? Just curious. Jesse
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Maybe look into the Sony xperia z3v supposedly it has a longer lasting battery than the turbo. Can take better pics. A brighter screen. No warping of the screen. It's water proof. I am looking between the turbo, Sony xperia z3v, note 4 and nexus 6.

Yeah its not a bad phone at all just didn't get me all excited like I thought it would. Is a damn good looking phone with the ballistic material especially the 64 gig version with the splash of red lettering at the bottom. I always liked Motorola phones my favorite being the RAZR maxx which I still have and use. I just decided to go with the note 4 because I enjoyed the note 3 a lot and since I had a buyer it didn't set me back much to get it. I did consider the the Sony which looks to be a nice device but I have never had any expedience with one or know anybody that has . The only thing I know about it is what I have read some good some bad but you get that worth all brands. I'm sure you'll enjoy your motoand I imagine I will have another one again some time. I will say if you put a glass screen protector on it don't use the Verizon brand cause they are not made like the older ones. I usually do a really good job of putting them on with no bubbles or dust under them but the problem was it just wouldnt stick. I showed the salesman the first one and he give me a second one to try and I had him do it and it went worse for him and it didn't even cover the screen as well as it should have. Anyway have a good time with it. Jesse
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Maybe look into the Sony xperia z3v supposedly it has a longer lasting battery than the turbo. Can take better pics. A brighter screen. No warping of the screen. It's water proof. I am looking between the turbo, Sony xperia z3v, note 4 and nexus 6.
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That's what I did and I love the z3v. Better camera by a mile and better battery that the turbo. I believe that the turbo was way over hyped...moto cameras are so bad and advertising two days on the battery? That's just plain wrong.

Wait holy crap the only reason I didn't get the xperia is because I thought the battery was normal on those. Also the xperia on display at my Verizon store had a million dots on the screen. All in a matrix. Depending on the angle you view it from you can see these bright little dots perfectly lined up as if its part of the hardware. That was a deal breaker for me. Can someone verify the xperia for me?
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As far as I know, I don't want a phone with a screen so poorly designed that you can see the multi touch matrix almost 100% of the time unless its midnight.
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ccheww said:
Wait holy crap the only reason I didn't get the xperia is because I thought the battery was normal on those. Also the xperia on display at my Verizon store had a million dots on the screen. All in a matrix. Depending on the angle you view it from you can see these bright little dots perfectly lined up as if its part of the hardware. That was a deal breaker for me. Can someone verify the xperia for me?
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The dots are because of the screen type. My lg g2 was the same way, it isn't a huge deal but if you get a LCD display you will be able to see them..
I'm still debating on going to the z3v. But battery life seems to have improved dramatically for me. So we will see.

I picked up turbo and z3v for two different lines. Eventually one will get swapped for an iphone for my wife. I like the moto software, and all the sensors, but i just about always go for the xperia. Frankly it feels premium like an iphone and the camera is amazing after a little learning curve. Ive been taking photos of fast moving children for the last two days with excellent results. The lcd matrix is visible in glare, but ive never noticed them unless i was looking for them.

ccheww said:
Wait holy crap the only reason I didn't get the xperia is because I thought the battery was normal on those. Also the xperia on display at my Verizon store had a million dots on the screen. All in a matrix. Depending on the angle you view it from you can see these bright little dots perfectly lined up as if its part of the hardware. That was a deal breaker for me. Can someone verify the xperia for me?
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For me when I was choosing between this and or the xperia was that the screen at the store has foggy lines vertically on the screen when using camera only. Also that the chassis is more z2 than z3.
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jaben2 said:
The dots are because of the screen type. My lg g2 was the same way, it isn't a huge deal but if you get a LCD display you will be able to see them..
I'm still debating on going to the z3v. But battery life seems to have improved dramatically for me. So we will see.
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Same here the battery has significantly improved too on my turbo. Many people don't realize the battery needs to break in and get used to use

wadamean said:
For me when I was choosing between this and or the xperia was that the screen at the store has foggy lines vertically on the screen when using camera only. Also that the chassis is more z2 than z3.
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Same here the battery has significantly improved too on my turbo. Many people don't realize the battery needs to break in and get used to use
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The battery may get a little better over time but the camera on the turbo will forever be a total joke the z3v smokes the turbo in every aspect. I want to love the turbo but it's not in the same league.

thegrants82 said:
The battery may get a little better over time but the camera on the turbo will forever be a total joke the z3v smokes the turbo in every aspect. I want to love the turbo but it's not in the same league.
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I don't know that I can say that at this point. So far I think between the two design wise it is preference on looks. However from looking thru the z3 forum, I'm seeing lots of quality control issues including camera issues where it will overheat quickly. That and light bleed, and misaligned screens and cracked screens and backs.
I'm not trying to downplay the z3v and I don't know if those issues are as prevalent on that version as the actual z3.
The only problems I'm really seeing on the turbo is people expecting more battery life out of it.
I don't take a lot of pictures so camera don't really matter to me.

If the z3 is actually a better phone I'm going to go swap out my phone for the z3. But I mean at the store the specs are listed almost exactly the same. I'm confused how I blatantly missed a comparison that made the obvious choice a z3.
Are you willing to clarify the specs that smoke the turbo? I need to do this before my 14 days if I make the swap.
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Specs and on paper the turbo is clearly the winner. Better display, bigger battery, newer processor.
However posts and what I've been seeing the z3v is beating the turbo with screen on time.
I personally would have swapped already for that phone, but then I think why not just go back to my g2.
Same screen, has wireless charging, same size display. Still get that dot matrix from the LCD. And a good camera. Only real difference between the two is lgg2 is I believe a snapdragon 800, not a 801.
I just want a new phone and am hoping this turbo works for me.

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That's what I did and I love the z3v. Better camera by a mile and better battery that the turbo. I believe that the turbo was way over hyped...moto cameras are so bad and advertising two days on the battery? That's just plain wrong.
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The z3v is a z2.. Literally. And the moto turbo uses a Sony sensor. I'm not defending turbo or the z3v.. But just stating the facts. The z3v is an old phone before it even came out.

ccheww said:
If the z3 is actually a better phone I'm going to go swap out my phone for the z3. But I mean at the store the specs are listed almost exactly the same. I'm confused how I blatantly missed a comparison that made the obvious choice a z3.
Are you willing to clarify the specs that smoke the turbo? I need to do this before my 14 days if I make the swap.
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All that I can say is that I tried both extensively and the z3v has a far better camera and better battery life. The moto camera is a typical moto camera, you need perfect lighting and a non moving target to get any kind of decent picture. It's useless unless you are taking pictures of trees. The battery on the turbo is also sub part to the z3v. These are facts, not my opinions. If you have a turbo you know what I mean.

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All that I can say is that I tried both extensively and the z3v has a far better camera and better battery life. The moto camera is a typical moto camera, you need perfect lighting and a non moving target to get any kind of decent picture. It's useless unless you are taking pictures of trees. The battery on the turbo is also sub part to the z3v. These are facts, not my opinions. If you have a turbo you know what I mean.
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Im satisfied with the Moto Camera, ive only done extremely low lighting pictures and of my cats jumping around. Appears to catch detail easily with moving targets. As far as battery life goes. Im going on 22 hours with 4.2 hours screen on time and I'm at 37% - the battery seems to get better every day. I like the idea that the z3v is waterproof... but visible touch screen matrix, an LCD display with much lower resolution than the turbo, and a previous generation qualcomm? Im not trying to create a debate here but i think "smoked" was the wrong term to this phone. The visible matrix seems like such a huge design flaw. I have never in my life seen this on a phone nor do i think its acceptable. It really killed it for me, complete deal breaker
I cant repeat it enough, the visible dots and that being normal? that truly boggles my mind. and from Sony? I expected more in terms of common sense.
The only sense I can make out of the reason they used this kind of display was so that the phone's touch screen would work well underwater..... but unless they are specifically marketing to a huge group of Scuba Divers this seems like the dumbest decision ever made by a large company's development team. Just mind boggling to me.

timmyd463229 said:
Maybe look into the Sony xperia z3v supposedly it has a longer lasting battery than the turbo. Can take better pics. A brighter screen. No warping of the screen. It's water proof. I am looking between the turbo, Sony xperia z3v, note 4 and nexus 6.
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Me too...I can't decide...

ccheww said:
Im satisfied with the Moto Camera, ive only done extremely low lighting pictures and of my cats jumping around. Appears to catch detail easily with moving targets. As far as battery life goes. Im going on 22 hours with 4.2 hours screen on time and I'm at 37% - the battery seems to get better every day. I like the idea that the z3v is waterproof... but visible touch screen matrix, an LCD display with much lower resolution than the turbo, and a previous generation qualcomm? Im not trying to create a debate here but i think "smoked" was the wrong term to this phone. The visible matrix seems like such a huge design flaw. I have never in my life seen this on a phone nor do i think its acceptable. It really killed it for me, complete deal breaker
I cant repeat it enough, the visible dots and that being normal? that truly boggles my mind. and from Sony? I expected more in terms of common sense.
The only sense I can make out of the reason they used this kind of display was so that the phone's touch screen would work well underwater..... but unless they are specifically marketing to a huge group of Scuba Divers this seems like the dumbest decision ever made by a large company's development team. Just mind boggling to me.
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If your saying that your turbo is taking low light pictures of moving targets then I have got to call a huge BS. That is just simply not true. Sorry but there is no need to make stuff up like that.

Keekers said:
Me too...I can't decide...
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I have the note 2 and still love it and I wasn't going to consider the note 4 but it seems that nobody really had complaints other than touch wiz itself. But I don't know if I could go down in size.

Are any of these phones less prone to cracked screens and scratches?

Nexus 6P screen problem. Please give me some pieces of advice.

Hey guys!
I neead some pieces of advice really fast!
My nexus 6P seems to have really really bad viewing angles..basically even if i move it a little while i am typing, the keyboard color gets bluish.
Please watch this video (also please forgive the backround noise). This is my 6P. I know that the video is not of a very high quality (it was taken with my ipad 2) but you can still see the problem when i use the keyboard. It can also be seen when i try to reach the notification bar.
Here is the video:
http://youtu.be/164m5oQu9yQ
Is yours doing the same? Is it normal? Should I ask for a replacement? I am really curious if your 6P is doing the the same.
Best regards!

Anyone?

Normal normal

That is normal, as far as I am aware.

android4life92 said:
Normal normal
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That is normal, as far as I am aware.
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Does it happen on yours as well? or on your devices with amoled sreen? I am really interested if you guys have the Nexus 6P. Also, isn't the angle when the colors shift appears too narrow?
I mean..for me it happens at the slightest angle. if I hold the phone with the keyboard open..and I shake it a bit i can see the color getting bluish..like..immediately.
Best regards!

Michael Ilie said:
Does it happen on yours as well? or on your devices with amoled sreen? I am really interested if you guys have the Nexus 6P. Also, isn't the angle when the colors shift appears too narrow?
I mean..for me it happens at the slightest angle. if I hold the phone with the keyboard open..and I shake it a bit i can see the color getting bluish..like..immediately.
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Yeah, it's the same on my Nexus 6P. To me it's barely noticeable.

seems normal! same for me here

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Yeah, it's the same on my Nexus 6P. To me it's barely noticeable.
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When you say it's barely noticeable...you mean...you barely notice it. or it is not so obvious on your display? is mine worse thank yours..and by this I mean...does it appear on a wider angle for you? Or is it the same?
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seems normal! same for me here
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When you say it's barely noticeable...you mean...you barely notice it. or it is not so obvious on your display? is mine worse thank yours..and by this I mean...does it appear on a wider angle for you? Or is it the same?
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seems normal! same for me here
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That is normal, as far as I am aware.
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Oh..and by the way guys..did you notice the color shift on my keyboard? (just wanted to make sure if you also noticed the green tint on that)

Michael Ilie said:
When you say it's barely noticeable...you mean...you barely notice it. or it is not so obvious on your display? is mine worse thank yours..and by this I mean...does it appear on a wider angle for you? Or is it the same?
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I'd say mine looks and acts the same way yours does, it just doesn't bother me in my regular usage.

AMOLED screens generally have narrowing viewing angles than IPS LCD screens before you start seeing color shifts like that. It's the tradeoff -- along with off-color whites - that you get for having more vibrant colors/real blacks and the ability to activate only certain portions of the screen (not really explored on the 6p, but Active Display on Moto X is an example). AMOLED is considered better for videos etc because of the vibrancy/deeper blacks but LCD tends to be brighter/easier to read outdoors.
I don't consider one better than the other, just a matter of taste.
Did you come from a phone that didn't have an AMOLED display or a Samsung (anecdotal theories that the better panels get binned for them, not by me but in other threads I've read)?

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AMOLED screens generally have narrowing viewing angles than IPS LCD screens before you start seeing color shifts like that. It's the tradeoff -- along with off-color whites - that you get for having more vibrant colors/real blacks and the ability to activate only certain portions of the screen (not really explored on the 6p, but Active Display on Moto X is an example). AMOLED is considered better for videos etc because of the vibrancy/deeper blacks but LCD tends to be brighter/easier to read outdoors.
I don't consider one better than the other, just a matter of taste.
Did you come from a phone that didn't have an AMOLED display or a Samsung (anecdotal theories that the better panels get binned for them, not by me but in other threads I've read)?
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I am coming from a Galay s3...and it did not do this on it.
so you say this is normal and I should keep it?

Michael Ilie said:
I am coming from a Galay s3...and it did not do this on it.
so you say this is normal and I should keep it?
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I'm not saying it's "normal" but rather, it seems like the panels used on the 6P vary on this issue (color shift) quite a bit. I do not know if this would be considered a manufacturing defect but there have been other threads of people exchanging their phones with the same issue; they would be better equipped to advise you re: returning this particular phone.
One thing to note is that in a Reddit AMA the Nexus team confirmed that they were using the latest generation panel from Samsung, so I would expect the panels to be of the same quality as the same one in a Samsung phone.
If you are still within the return window it's up to you to exchange if it is really bothering you. Someone on Reddit was in a similar position here. Note the first reply and the two images linked angle #1 and angle #2, where one of the phones had a much more obvious shift in color when tilted.

angomy said:
I'm not saying it's "normal" but rather, it seems like the panels used on the 6P vary on this issue (color shift) quite a bit. I do not know if this would be considered a manufacturing defect but there have been other threads of people exchanging their phones with the same issue; they would be better equipped to advise you re: returning this particular phone.
One thing to note is that in a Reddit AMA the Nexus team confirmed that they were using the latest generation panel from Samsung, so I would expect the panels to be of the same quality as the same one in a Samsung phone.
If you are still within the return window it's up to you to exchange if it is really bothering you. Someone on Reddit was in a similar position here. Note the first reply and the two images linked angle #1 and angle #2, where one of the phones had a much more obvious shift in color when tilted.
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I am 100% sure that the shop I bought it from will replace it for me if I ask for it. If i choose to exchange directly on their shop should they let me compare both of them and keep the one that is better?

Question about display to V20 users

I've watched a V20, G5, Note 7, S7 Edge display comparison video and in that video the author claimed that V20 has very cold color temperature (whites are more like blueish) and the color correction is not so good (colors are displayed somewhat incorrectly?). My question is, as a user have you seen anything like these claims?

From those videos and using the v10 and G4. Yes. But it's something you kind of have to look for it. If you are getting the v20. Just enjoy it.
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And don't forget, every "review" you've seen so far has been with pre-production units that use software that hasn't been finalized.

i have an LG V20 color correction i cant tell other than it looks better than my note 3. whites is a close to white maybe a slightly cold but now where near to blueish. has an option if you want it more warm so it wont strain your eyes, you can tell its more warm when you enable it. so far i like it.
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And don't forget, every "review" you've seen so far has been with pre-production units that use software that hasn't been finalized.
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It is on the Blue side for sure when comparing it directly to my Note5. In a direct side by side comparison it is really Blue but as long as you don't have it side by side, you get used to it very quickly. I actually like it better when not using the (Comfort View) Blue light filter.

its not as vibrant as a amoled, its more of a cool CLEAN representation.
whites are better than an amoled screen, but amoled (especially samsung), the blacks are superior
personal taste.
the whole replaceable battery, non exploding....makes up for it though

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cy88 said:
It's on the colder side. Also the extreme contrast on the Samsung AMOLED would make theirs a more eye popping display. With that said, if you use only look at LG's phones for a day or two, you'll get used to it and it's actually a very good display. I like Samsung's display personally, especially the latest iteration of them where the colours are more accurate, but I can live with LG's IPS no issues.
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Amd4life said:
its not as vibrant as a amoled, its more of a cool CLEAN representation.
whites are better than an amoled screen, but amoled (especially samsung), the blacks are superior
personal taste.
the whole replaceable battery, non exploding....makes up for it though
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How do you know.... The note 7 didn't report exploding for a few days after official release. I highly doubt there will be an issue but Samsung wasn't the only phone this year.
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