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Xoom to DSLR: Knowns and Unknowns

There seem to be sprinklings of discussion about the use of a DSLR with the Xoom so I thought it would be good to identify what is known and unknown at this point:
Known
With the proper cable, on 3.1, you can transfer images from your DSLR to your Xoom.
Xoom does not natively read .RAW images.
RawDroid is a proof of concept RAW viewer.
This app is a camera control app, but requires a PC. Developer is responsive and has a list of enhancements planned.
This app can be used with Eye-Fi cards.
This app reads Canon (.CR2) .RAW images on 2.2 and up. Works on the Xoom. Features: * Preview the embedded jpeg images in folderview
* Show fullscreen preview
* Show extracted EXIF data
* Save as jpeg
* Share the image, e.g. mail or bluetooth
* Delete images
Unknown
Camera Control/Tethering: It is unknown whether you will be able to control the DSLR via USB, given an app is developed
It is unknown whether you will be able to use the Xoom as live view via the usb cable, given an app is developed. Some say this is impossible, but I think it could be possible. I personally think a developer could make some money off of this type of an app. I think many photog ipad owners would flock to Xoom for this.
Please add and comment on the above list. It would be nice to share what we know/don't know.

Whether something is possible or probable are two very different things. Simply supporting host mode does not allow for Live View or Camera Control. These things require very specific drivers to be written which would need to come from the camera manufacturer. Maybe, at some point in the future, Canon might port their SDK to Android but right now it is not available, therefor it is not possible.

i would love to see more development in this field too. and certainly would pay for these type of apps.
raw is defiantly a biggie for me since i shoot mostly in raw. but it's not a big deal since canon can output images in RAW and JPEG at the same time. but if the tablet can read raw, then it'll save me space on my memory card.

KerryG said:
Whether something is possible or probable are two very different things. Simply supporting host mode does not allow for Live View or Camera Control. These things require very specific drivers to be written which would need to come from the camera manufacturer. Maybe, at some point in the future, Canon might port their SDK to Android but right now it is not available, therefor it is not possible.
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I hear what you are saying. However, the Gphoto project has done exactly what you describe for Linux, so, some of the ground work has been laid.

inspiron41 said:
i would love to see more development in this field too. and certainly would pay for these type of apps.
raw is defiantly a biggie for me since i shoot mostly in raw. but it's not a big deal since canon can output images in RAW and JPEG at the same time. but if the tablet can read raw, then it'll save me space on my memory card.
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I show almost entirely in .RAW (except for timelapses) so .RAW is big for me, too. the I just threw a couple of .CR2 images on my Xoom (from my PC) and it does preview and display the .Raw images quickly and nicely. It is designed only to work with Canon, however. It is an alpha release right now.

I do have the proper cable (typing this on a usb keyboard right now) but my problem is i dont know how to transfer files to/from my XTi! Nothing pops up or anything and the usbdisk folder is empty

CR2 App
Just tried his app out - it ROCKS!
I transferred CR2 files from my PC to the Xoom (camera connection cable arrives tomorrow.) You can view EXIF data and save to JPG. This is HUUUUUUUGE for a lot of us Canon DSLR users.
I don't have the Xoom rooted do I took a couple of shots:
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Showing EXIF
After saving as a JPG, you can then use the photo editor of your choice. This makes the Xoom purchase worthwhile, almost, in and of itself.
Showing the save & send menu

The RawDroid demo is in the market now.

Great progress! Now we need a proper image editor for post-processing.

charos said:
Great progress! Now we need a proper image editor for post-processing.
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Agreed....I would be in heaven if someone got a live view app running. People always poo-poo it when I mention it and tell me Xoom does not handle video in, but I think they are assuming I mean over HDMI versus USB. I would think it is quite conceivable to create an app based off of the Canon EOS utility, I know there is a linux version of that. I don't know Nikons, but they must have a similar utility. You have to wonder at what point wifi or bluetooth becomes standard on higher end dslrs?

Canon cameras have been ported and sporting awesome ROMs for a long time now.
http://chdk.setepontos.com/

The pro version of the "Remote Your Cam" just came out. I bought the app and it works beautifully with my Canon 5d MKII with LIVE PREVIEW!!!
Go check the market for Remove Your Cam Pro.

Apachi2k said:
The pro version of the "Remote Your Cam" just came out. I bought the app and it works beautifully with my Canon 5d MKII with LIVE PREVIEW!!!
Go check the market for Remove Your Cam Pro.
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You have no idea how incredibly happy this makes me. You made my night. but wait, you still need a PC, correct?

Yes, you still need a PC but giant live preview on the Xoom alone is worth every penny. You'll love it.

Apachi2k said:
Yes, you still need a PC but giant live preview on the Xoom alone is worth every penny. You'll love it.
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I do almost all landscape so I am not sure I will use it if I still need pc access. Can you use a pc on your home network when you are on the field or is it using your home wifi network?

TheZuneLune said:
I do almost all landscape so I am not sure I will use it if I still need pc access. Can you use a pc on your home network when you are on the field or is it using your home wifi network?
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I can see it being a challenge with landscape photography unless you are willing to lug a laptop along with your setup. There are two application that need to be installed for this to work. One on the PC/Mac and another on the android device. The PC/Mac also needs a wired connection to the camera. Once everything is connected, you can control the camera from the android device over a wireless network.

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I can see it being a challenge with landscape photography unless you are willing to lug a laptop along with your setup. There are two application that need to be installed for this to work. One on the PC/Mac and another on the android device. The PC/Mac also needs a wired connection to the camera. Once everything is connected, you can control the camera from the android device over a wireless network.
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OK, thanks for the clarification. I might have to hold out for a Xoom/Camera only tether. I really want to encourage android dslr development, though.

TheZuneLune said:
OK, thanks for the clarification. I might have to hold out for a Xoom/Camera only tether. I really want to encourage android dslr development, though.
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Hi,
We are allready thinking about the direct connection possibilty, but we don´t know if and when we get this feature for our app.The bigger problem is the connectivity. Canon distributes developer with a excellent development kit - but only for the USB-> PC solution.
For a direct connection between the camera and an android device, we have to figure out each interaction by ourself - this is a very time consuming work and we are still a sparetime project, so the development is - first of all - a time question.

RemoteYourCam said:
Hi,
We are allready thinking about the direct connection possibilty, but we don´t know if and when we get this feature for our app.The bigger problem is the connectivity. Canon distributes developer with a excellent development kit - but only for the USB-> PC solution.
For a direct connection between the camera and an android device, we have to figure out each interaction by ourself - this is a very time consuming work and we are still a sparetime project, so the development is - first of all - a time question.
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Thanks for that, I understand the time factor. Hopefully, Canon will consider releasing other SDK's in the future that have this capability.It's good for both Android and Canon.

It is certainly possible to remote control your Canon with Android USB host device... (without a PC)
I'm doing it right now, on an SGS2 no less.
It's a work in progress, though. Too bad I don't have a Xoom/3.2 to play with

Reverse USB Tethering on G3 - A solution ! (?)

It has been acknowledged by many that Reverse USB Tethering is an essential feature missing in the Android OS, atleast natively. Several processes have been attempted but none of them is sure-shot and certainly not noob friendly.
However, while browsing through random sites i came across
Code:
[URL="http://www.codeproject.com/kb/android/usbportforwarding.aspx?fid=1625023&df=90&mpp=10&sort=Position&tid=3900438"]THIS LINK[/URL]
which "seemed" to be an easy solution. I did attempt it but was unsuccessful. I expect the advanced users to have a bit more insight into this and they would like to post their views after attempting it
P.S. - Please remember that we are talking only about sharing a PC internet connection via USB to an Android mobile aka REVERSE USB TETHERING so please do not mix this with "Conventional" USB Tethering

Yeah it is pointless you can easily use wifi
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..the point of this is to get your computer's internet connection to your mobile, It's very useful for people who haven't got wifi at home or a packet data plan..

Visualise this -
Someone has a old desktop PC at work or home which doesnt have a wi-fi card. What it does have is a hi-speed unlimited LAN connection. On the other hand he only has a G3 with no 3G or Wi-fi access. Only a barely sustainable 2G data connection.
Now u see the usefulness of this project ? Not everyone is lucky enough to have a wi-fi hotspot near them or create an ad-hoc wifi with the above configutation

Downloading applications for your phone can be pretty tricky without any internet connection, or it can be pretty expensive if you have to pay for the data you receive. Whilist you can find some apk's from the net, you need to have access to market to get the more 'unknown' apps that no-one has uploaded to the web.
I myself was looking for a solution like this for a long time, but then I bought myself a 256kb\s data plan which costs 5€\month

Yeah, like I said, some apps are in the web, but rarely those not-so-popular ones. That's why market is essential, and this reverse usb-tethering a perfect solution for some users..

To expand on Thom47's views suppose i have to update Google Maps, can you imagine the time it would take over a conventional 2G network where data connection keeps dropping often ? You could argue that updated Google Maps app can be downloaded and pushed to phone for replacing the outdated version. But in this case Google Maps was just an example.
And where i live, Wireless Routers cost atleast $20 or more (not sure about the exchange rate). Kinda pointless to install one if its needed only for a phone. Considering that i already have access to a decent LAN a USB cable seems to be the most viable option...

Tianhe said:
To expand on Thom47's views suppose i have to update Google Maps, can you imagine the time it would take over a conventional 2G network where data connection keeps dropping often ? You could argue that updated Google Maps app can be downloaded and pushed to phone for replacing the outdated version. But in this case Google Maps was just an example.
And where i live, Wireless Routers cost atleast $20 or more (not sure about the exchange rate). Kinda pointless to install one if its needed only for a phone. Considering that i already have access to a decent LAN a USB cable seems to be the most viable option...
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just get any cheap wifi router
netgears is cheap and works fine
u can always use ur PC even w/o te wifi card in it by a cable
wifi is much more better and freedom u will gain plenty of other options like SSH file sharing etc which u wont have in reverse tethering
u would be only saving 1200-1300 Rs (INR) by that which if u buy saving ur pocket money will pay u back sooner than later
i had similar problem earlier now i wonder why to turn on the PC

Hi,
If you can use linux, this can be done easily.
http://www.linuxreaders.com/2011/03/android-access-internet-from-computer-via-usb.html

As usual, u miss my point.....
AFAIK, its not decreed anywhere that u have to use your cell only when u r sitting next to a PC. I could update the files / programs and use it elsewhere too. Do you know the size of Swype beta full language file ? Have u ever tried to download it via 2G ? Regarding the consideration of buying a cheaper phone we can also tie a string to two empty match boxes for communication and that would be much cheaper. Unfortunately it wouldnt serve my purpose. I just wanted a way to update my apps / programs quickly once a day or week so that I could use them later. Its not like I wanna use my cell to download stock ROMs or even larger files. There are other numerous examples I could give but it isnt gonna change either of our viewpoints.
@dpthakar - thank you for your suggestion. Did know bout the linux solution but its supposed to run only on Win 7. I prefer my Win XP PC but I will probably have to run it in VM if all else fails.

clarkov some people needs it because you can update your android apps and surf the android market using that shared pc connetion.
what else dohhh !!!!!!
and btw instead of writing pointless replies on this thread .. all those writing it should stop .. and let the other figure out a way to do this reverse connection.

clarkkov said:
but it's pointless ...
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I still think it's pointless,...
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clarkkov said:
If this is the case you should have opted for ...
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You may want to see it on your phone for number of crazy reasons, but it's impractical and useless ...
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But Google and their buddies don't want you to use their android device like that - this is my point!
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Dear clarkkov
Are you a control freak?
you don't like Reverse USB Tethering on G3?
It's OK with us please go and read some other post in this big big forum!
Dear friend when people are saying that they need this, it just means they need it.
And I have to remind you that Reverse USB Tethering on G3 doesn't require your agreement!
If it's possible, it will be done.
Good Luck

clarkkov said:
And what is your problem with me, do I know you?!
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The same as you have with "Reverse USB Tethering "!
clarkkov said:
If you have read my whole posts and actually thought them trough you would understand my point
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I do!
You said it's pointless. believe me your opinion is OK with me.
you said what you think so let the people decide what they want or they don't.
clarkkov said:
or maybe you're just plain stupid (in a lack of appropriate word).
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Tethering of any sort is *disabled* - on purpose, on every smartphone on any major carrier!
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You can't prove that but Ok I would say that you're right and it's on purpose disabled.
You didn't get the concept of this topic?
If it wasn't disabled there was no need to start this topic!
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, Im stating the reasons why this process isn't supported and why it never will be.
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Why it's not supported is not of our concern!
And I have to remind you that it's already done!
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pressing 5 lines of code while establishing a half brewed connection.
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OK with us, any problem with you?

We're wanting to use reverse USB tethering here, and we've proved our point and usefulness of this many times, so that there should be no question whether It's good or not, yet you still can't accept it and have to tell how It's pointless and how we must get a wifi router. Right.

I second that !
Even I have an unlimited broadband plan for my system and i dont have a wifi router so would like to share it with my mobile!
Got any working ideas?

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I thought you already left this topic and took your developing skills with you?

I use my phone to download maby thing like a hole ROM,MOVIES,And many other thing not using 3g or wigfi just using 2g. Many time i use my phone to use internet on my pc.
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clarkov who needs you?? revise your attitude first ..

You didn't develop anything in the first place and you're ignoring the fact the reverse USB tethering is useful, if you don't have a router. Also how is he falsely accusing you when you said yourself that you're leaving. He just wants justification of a false statement. Nuff said leave
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Live TV on your Acer?

Think it will ever be possible to get a TV tuner working in this bad boy?
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DVB-T, TV on iconia
Yes, i wanna know too !!! ………………therefore i opened a thread here 2 weeks ago and 2 days ago someone did the same. But I won’t moan about searching and tell all what I know about.
There are a plethora of DVB-t dongles and also a lot of linux-drivers for them. Actually, Archos 101 (Froyo) enthousiasts implemented it on their Tablet. They also made an APK, LiveTV, that scans the dongle for canals. So, it is very close, “just” find the way to port the drivers to our tablet. I did some coding in the past but Android is a bridge to far for me. So I hope someone will pick it up.
All the info you need is
here

urbie47 said:
Yes, i wanna know too !!! ………………therefore i opened a thread here 2 weeks ago and 2 days ago someone did the same. But I won’t moan about searching and tell all what I know about.
There are a plethora of DVB-t dongles and also a lot of linux-drivers for them. Actually, Archos 101 (Froyo) enthousiasts implemented it on their Tablet. They also made an APK, LiveTV, that scans the dongle for canals. So, it is very close, “just” find the way to port the drivers to our tablet. I did some coding in the past but Android is a bridge to far for me. So I hope someone will pick it up.
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Have you tried contacting those devs and asking them?

I have a slingbox pro, but I'm not using it right now because I don't have cable tv. I am really hoping for an xbmc/boxee client on android some day!
Rob

FloatingFatMan said:
Have you tried contacting those devs and asking them?
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that would probably also include providing them a hoineycomb device..
also, i know on they archos he had a little help from archos and uses the dsp in the system for video acceleration.

Back in the day, my MDA was able to pick up all TV channels based on a TV tuner feed through a wonderful program: MyTinyTV.
Now, all that's left is horrible ORB. It never works and has a terrible interface. Anyone have any other options for feeding my TV tuner out into the web and then picking it up through an Android App?
And please, no one start talking about those streaming TV apps that have 40 random channels that no one's ever heard of (SPB TV for example).

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Back in the day, my MDA was able to pick up all TV channels based on a TV tuner feed through a wonderful program: MyTinyTV.
Now, all that's left is horrible ORB. It never works and has a terrible interface. Anyone have any other options for feeding my TV tuner out into the web and then picking it up through an Android App?
And please, no one start talking about those streaming TV apps that have 40 random channels that no one's ever heard of (SPB TV for example).
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tried slingbox? i use it to stream from my directv dvr 2500 miles away.
still not a fan of the android interface, as the pc interface was much better, but it gets the job done.... except you need a slingbox ($100-$200) and the app ($30)

godashram said:
tried slingbox? i use it to stream from my directv dvr 2500 miles away.
still not a fan of the android interface, as the pc interface was much better, but it gets the job done.... except you need a slingbox ($100-$200) and the app ($30)
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Yeah, I'm jealous that you have it and it works great, but I'm not paying for it. I don't have anything but regular cable because there are only a few channels I watch, but I'd like to be able to get them wherever there's a cell signal.

Watch live tv in the browser
Watch live tv in the browser just go to www.mobiletv.net. All you need is flash. And its completely free.

Been looking for something like this as well. Haven't had a chance to try it yet, but I might give it a shot when I have some time.
If streaming from your home PC is an option you'd consider, you might want to check out SplashTop. Currently $5 in the Market. Has fairly great Market reviews incl from A500 owners. I'm not affiliated of course, just doing my homework on it first before I try.
Full remote desktop app and from the looks of it, it looks like if you have cable connected to your PC, say via Windows Media Center you can remote into that and stream the output to your Tab. Am hearing fairly good things about the video quality. Or of course you could also do Hulu, Netflix, etc.
Found an article about live TV on it (though this is by iPad user)
thedigitallifestyle(DOT)com/w/index.php/2011/06/03/using-splashtop-to-watch-live-or-recorded-tv-on-the-ipad/
If you decide to give it a shot, let me know what you think! Good luck...
EDIT: Clarification. The version of the app recommended by the dev for Honeycomb tablets is SplashTop HD.

nyhtcguy said:
Been looking for something like this as well. Haven't had a chance to try it yet, but I might give it a shot when I have some time.
If streaming from your home PC is an option you'd consider, you might want to check out SplashTop. Currently $5 in the Market. Has fairly great Market reviews incl from A500 owners. I'm not affiliated of course, just doing my homework on it first before I try.
Full remote desktop app and from the looks of it, it looks like if you have cable connected to your PC, say via Windows Media Center you can remote into that and stream the output to your Tab. Am hearing fairly good things about the video quality. Or of course you could also do Hulu, Netflix, etc.
Found an article about live TV on it (though this is by iPad user)
thedigitallifestyle(DOT)com/w/index.php/2011/06/03/using-splashtop-to-watch-live-or-recorded-tv-on-the-ipad/
If you decide to give it a shot, let me know what you think! Good luck...
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Hmm interesting suggestion. I have always thought Splashtop was another VNC program until now. I tried it out and it works great for what you mentioned. Unfortunately, something with my desktop video driver causes it to freeze up after a few minutes. Same thing happens with VNC programs lately.
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Watch live tv in the browser just go to www.mobiletv.net. All you need is flash. And its completely free.
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it has all the channels i watch, thank you so much for this!

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it has all the channels i watch, thank you so much for this!
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+1. Very cool site
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Pretty cool site!
Does anybody know a similar site with german channels? I haven`t found one yet.

It's possible !!
My "Cinery T USB XE" works on my Acer Iconia A210.
My mate has compiled a kernel with dvb integration and we added the firmware.
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I have done a channel scan with droidTV.apk. Found channels, but have a very high error rate, so don't see anything.
So the source of the errors is the droidTV app we think.
Is any one working on an app for DVB ? Maybe someone can tell how to crosscompile an binary? Or maybe can tell me how to configure toolchain paths for compiling successfull????

Not exactly what your after but with a combination of dvblink connect server http://www.dvblogic.com/netpack.php and xbmc dvblink addon script http://dvblogic.com/wiki/index.php/DVBLink_Connect!_Server_clients and xbmc android http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29737360 you can watch live tv. Hd channels still need hw decoding working to play smooth(not currently working) but sd channels play fine

i'm in the same point as schlex2010, i succed to compile Hauppauge WinTV mini stick modules for Kernel 2.6.39.4+
droidTV succed to find all channels but it is imposible to get them work. just one of the channels streams but no sound

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i'm in the same point as schlex2010, i succed to compile Hauppauge WinTV mini stick modules for Kernel 2.6.39.4+
droidTV succed to find all channels but it is imposible to get them work. just one of the channels streams but no sound
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finally I did it.
All channels streaming on ICS 4.0.3 Kernel 2.6.39.4+ with 2 Hauppauge USB WinTV, MiniStick and NOVA-T-Stick.
It was done compiling modules which came with official ICS downloadable Kernel from Acer web page.
Loading modules and dvb adapter files with scripting and streaming locally with mumudvb for android.
Streaming is playable with players like MX or VPlayer.
yeeeah! I can see Live DVB-T every where.

Didn't see it mentioned, but USTV in android app store is pretty good too. Has the unheard of channels but also has a "hot" channel list that weeds them out and just shows HBO, SyFy, etc.
That said, between mobiletv.net and USTV, I'll never need cable! Mobile - which works really well on my slate PC (just tried it) has a ESPNU feed which will get me through volleyball season, as does Watch ESPN app. When one factors in all the other channels, movie channels and my netflix account, I'm set! WOO HOO!
One quick question...does anybody know what time zone mobiletv.net follows - so I'll know which movie schedule to follow (I am on EST in US)? Thanks!

Note 10.1 2014 as a laptop replacement? Surprisingly close.

Like many of you I’ve suffered through trying to get a 10.1” Android tablet to perform typical productivity functions with a keyboard and mouse. I had a G-Tab 10.1 with Samsung’s BT Keyboard Case, a Note 10.1 I used with various BT keyboards and now the new Note 10.1. It’s a miracle. I don’t know whether Samsung finally focused on integrating keyboard and mouse support or if it’s changes Google introduced in 4.3, but finally the keyboard/mouse performance is incredibly seamless.
Here’s part of the secret. There’s now a setting to disable the on-screen keyboard. When selected there’s no longer a fight between the internal and external keyboard as to which has control. And once activated, the new Note knows to disable the on-screen keyboard automatically when an external keyboard is connected. Nirvana.
There’s also zero lag when typing or using the mouse. The latter works as well in Android as you’d expect a mouse to in Windows. After typing for a while I’ll forget I’m using an Android device and start using Windows-only features (like shift-click to select).
The keyboard I’m using has shortcuts for the stock Mail client, stock Browser, settings menu, notification panel, apps, media control, and more so I don’t even need to touch the new Note when I'm head-down in productivity work. It’s incredibly impressive.
For "Word" solutions I use three products - Polaris, QuickOffice, and the Microsoft RDP client to use real Office on my home PC. I’ll usually use Polaris for quick documents I need formatting control over. QuickOffice for something short where I want spell checking. And for serious documents I’ll either start and finish via RDP Word or start something locally with Polaris or QuickOffice and paste it in to RDP Word or save it to DropBox and open it via RDP to complete it.
After suffering through the G-Tab and old Note I can’t describe how night and day the new Note experience is with a keyboard and mouse. I’ve always been sold on S Pen/S Note but now have no qualms traveling solo with the new Note comfortable in what I can accomplish with it compared to schlepping around a notebook/netbook and its assorted paraphernalia.
Here’s my setup.
And this is a must have. It’s an angled USB cable that can be used when the Note’s in a stand to keep it charged.

Cool! I'm probably going to be using it the same way. Do you know if I can use my military common access card ?
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Do you know if I can use my military common access card ?
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KNOX was created with/for the DOD. So I'm guessing the physical capability is there. Whether you can actually navigate the process to get your individual Note connected is between you and the layers of IT and security supporting whatever you're trying to connect to.

Dude, you are a Galaxy Note 10.1 wizard.
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How did you deal with the keyboard disconnection issue? I'm still fighting with my keyboard disconnecting if I stop typing for more than a second, and not reconnecting without a couple keypresses, which are sometimes typed in and sometimes not.

cspradlin said:
How did you deal with the keyboard disconnection issue?
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I didn't know there was a keyboard disconnection issue. I'm using a SM-601 and the keyboard's made by Samsung if that makes a difference. Try disabling the on-screen keyboard as shown above. The conflict between the on-screen and physical keyboards in Android has historically been legend. If that doesn't help perhaps try a different brand of keyboard. BT connectivity is (sadly) far from perfect.

BarryH_GEG said:
I didn't know there was a keyboard disconnection issue. I'm using a SM-601 and the keyboard's made by Samsung if that makes a difference. Try disabling the on-screen keyboard as shown above. The conflict between the on-screen and physical keyboards in Android has historically been legend. If that doesn't help perhaps try a different brand of keyboard. BT connectivity is (sadly) far from perfect.
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Ah, I'm using the 600. I'd imagine the firmware is at least slightly different (since everyone continually asks about specific model numbers in threads pertaining to software)

BarryH_GEG said:
Like many of you I’ve suffered through trying to get a 10.1” Android tablet to perform typical productivity functions with a keyboard and mouse. I had a G-Tab 10.1 with Samsung’s BT Keyboard Case, a Note 10.1 I used with various BT keyboards and now the new Note 10.1. It’s a miracle. I don’t know whether Samsung finally focused on integrating keyboard and mouse support or if it’s changes Google introduced in 4.3, but finally the keyboard/mouse performance is incredibly seamless.
Here’s part of the secret. There’s now a setting to disable the on-screen keyboard. When selected there’s no longer a fight between the internal and external keyboard as to which has control. And once activated, the new Note knows to disable the on-screen keyboard automatically when an external keyboard is connected. Nirvana.
There’s also zero lag when typing or using the mouse. The latter works as well in Android as you’d expect a mouse to in Windows. After typing for a while I’ll forget I’m using an Android device and start using Windows-only features (like shift-click to select).
The keyboard I’m using has shortcuts for the stock Mail client, stock Browser, settings menu, notification panel, apps, media control, and more so I don’t even need to touch the new Note when I'm head-down in productivity work. It’s incredibly impressive.
For "Word" solutions I use three products - Polaris, QuickOffice, and the Microsoft RDP client to use real Office on my home PC. I’ll usually use Polaris for quick documents I need formatting control over. QuickOffice for something short where I want spell checking. And for serious documents I’ll either start and finish via RDP Word or start something locally with Polaris or QuickOffice and paste it in to RDP Word or save it to DropBox and open it via RDP to complete it.
After suffering through the G-Tab and old Note I can’t describe how night and day the new Note experience is with a keyboard and mouse. I’ve always been sold on S Pen/S Note but now have no qualms traveling solo with the new Note comfortable in what I can accomplish with it compared to schlepping around a notebook/netbook and its assorted paraphernalia.
Here’s my setup.
And this is a must have. It’s an angled USB cable that can be used when the Note’s in a stand to keep it charged.
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This is briliant. couple of questions:
1. does the note stand come with the keyboard?
2. what is the keyboard model number?

Same here with the sm-p600.Samsung finaly found a solution to get rid of the on screen keyboard when using a bluetooth keyboard.Works perfect.I use the stand pouch from samsung as dock(if a need to charge it i just turn the note around) and the samsung bt keyboard in combination with a 7 euro mouse i found on ebay!!!
Here a pic of my setup.
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sakiin said:
This is briliant. couple of questions:
1. does the note stand come with the keyboard?
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It's a cheap folding aluminum stand. I don't remember where I got it; might have been eBay.
http://www.cellz.com/mobile-stand-f...ium=shopping&gclid=CPqorYqt5LoCFUdk7AodEAgA7w
I also have one of these.
http://www.toshiba.com/us/accessories/Tablet-Docks/Tablet-Stands/B2B018
I have the OEM Book Cover but the stands provide some height so I can connect the angled microUSB connector while the Note's sitting on its stand. That way it's fully charged if I'm typing for a couple of hours and doesn't look dorky with the Note turned upside down with a wire sticking out of its top.
2. what is the keyboard model number?
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It's my own creation from recycled Samsung accessories I couldn't use any more. It's the OG Tab 10.1 BT Keyboard Case that I used an Exacto knife to remove the flap and cover from. It's microUSB rechargeable and lasts a week easily on a charge and is incredibly thin.
I store it in this which is the old G-Tab leather slip cover.

What is the model number of the keyboard that you're using?

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What is the model number of the keyboard that you're using?
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Mine started out as this before I performed surgery on it.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00784BAIM/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all
@aartvv is using this.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-tab-accessories/BKB-10USWEGXAR

I use this stand: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CKVOOY/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I love it, you can set a lot of different angles...
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Barry, where did you get that usb angled cable? I've been looking for one like that...
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Because of this thread I just started to test out an HP bt keyboard I have around... It's really nice, BUT, I use Swiftkey (on screen keyboard) instead of the Samsung default and every time I turn on the bt keyboard I get a pop up system message telling me that the tablet it's defaulting back to the stock Samsung keyboard... That's annoying because when I'm done using the bt keyboard, I have to go back to the settings and default back Swiftkey...
BTW, as a reference, that switch to enable/disable the on screen keyboard only shows up when the bt keyboard is detected. Once you turn off the bt keyboard, you'll get back the on screen keyboard without the need to do anything. (In the case the switch is off).
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Dusko75 said:
Barry, where did you get that usb angled cable? I've been looking for one like that...
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Amazon. It's 2M (6.5 ft) because I wanted it long. They may have shorter lengths.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EBGGXS2/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

2M it's perfect for me too, amazing, thanks....
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What mouse recommendations do you have?
Have never been able to find a decent mouse. I like smaller for the feel and portability but cant seem to find a good one. Any suggestions?

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Have never been able to find a decent mouse. I like smaller for the feel and portability but cant seem to find a good one. Any suggestions?
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I have this one: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Tabl...484038&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+android+mouse
I like it a lot, it's not too big, not too small. Wow.. It went up a lot in price, I don't think I paid that much...
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Barry, where did you get that usb angled cable? I've been looking for one like that...
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The cable that comes with the tablet is quick charge. You might want to get a quick charge angled cable. I have this one.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AJCC2TQ/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Thanks, I think I like the other one better.. It faces to the back.
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I'm using the Microsoft Mobile Wedge Keyboard and Mouse, via Bluetooth. The keyboard is fantastic, with the occasional bit of lag. If I connect the mouse however, everything falls apart unfortunately. Using the mouse disables the keyboard, until I start typing again, then that disables the mouse. Very annoying and I hope it just requires a software fix. Otherwise, I have a something between a Chromebook and Windows 8 laptop in terms of productivity.

[Q] Using Nexus 9 as keyboard/mouse

Hi,
I want to use my nexus 9 as a mouse / keyboard for my nexus player. The onscreen keyboard is very tedious to use and I can't browse through a page in Chrome without a mouse. It would also be very handy when setting up XBMC.
I don't want to get another bluetooth keyboard/mouse, I have too many remotes and controllers already!
Does anyone know how to do this?
Thanks,

Been looking myself..trying to find a server side apk for able remote for google TV just to try it.

Android TV Remote in the PlayStore.

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Android TV Remote in the PlayStore.
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I tried that but there is no mouse, so I can't use Chrome and the keyboard doesn't work on XBMC.

Look at DroidMote, might be useful. Is better to control with a phone but also a tablet can be good.
You can install it from web, i added the Leanback stuff.
You need root on your Nexus Player to start the server.
In the menu you have the option to start automatically the server when device boot.
With DroidMote you can control also multi touch apps and games on devices without touch screen like the Nexus Player. Or when you connect a normal Android device to the TV via hdmi cable or slim port adapter.
A small example with Chrome Browser:
https://plus.google.com/+VideomapIt/posts/XQQxXrfAD42
Update:
On ADT-1 you can use also old versions of the server
On Nexus Player you need the last version 3.5.6 or higher

I haven't tried it yet but anyone try to manually install these apps:
Tablet Remote:
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"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
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PlayStore Link
or RemoDroid:
PlayStore Link

Android TV remote app with a bluetooth mouse? Works for me.
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reverenddak said:
Android TV remote app with a bluetooth mouse? Works for me.
Sent from my Oneplus One with Tapatalk Pro.
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A little explanation to better understand the differences, I apologize if it may seem like a promotion, but the intention is just to give help:
If you want to use apps specific for AndroidTV, the directional arrows are sufficient, but a mouse and keyboard would help speed up the selection and the control in general.
If you want to use apps made for Tablet and Phone, in most cases, a mouse and a keyboard are not sufficient. This because, many apps and games not have the mouse support and because many others require multi touch gestures. (zoom in/out, rotate, swipe etc.) Also many games, not have the support for an hardware gamepad but accept only touch actions, while others support the gamepad but does not have support for the mouse, so you can't navigate the menu with a simple hardware mouse and therefore the game is unusable.
DroidMote was born 3 years ago, with the intent to make up for all these limitations with the least possible effort and to provide a viable alternative to a classic mouse and keyboard, without lag and with a very simple and accessible graphical interface.
You can read this guide and watch a few videos to better understand the potential of this application http://www.videomap.it/dmcguide.htm
You can use anything you want to control your Nexus Player, but remember that if you have some problem DroidMote can solve it.
but for miracles still i'm not equipped...
p.s.
Sorry if i require root permissions, but DroidMote emulate hardware devices at low level and this is possible only with root permissions. Construct it in another way, would make it less effective and many things would be impossible.

@zulu99,
I see. Actually, I did come across the hurdles, like the mouse not being registered as touches. So, yes, this would solve those problems. The root requirements are not a problem. I actually came across a game that would normally be mouse/d-pad usable, if you could get past a start screen that wasn't. Cool.

reverenddak said:
@zulu99,
I see. Actually, I did come across the hurdles, like the mouse not being registered as touches. So, yes, this would solve those problems. The root requirements are not a problem. I actually came across a game that would normally be mouse/d-pad usable, if you could get past a start screen that wasn't. Cool.
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When the normal mouse not work you can use the TouchMouse of DroidMote for example, very useful in many Android games.
The TouchMouse need a touch profile for your server device, that you can simply download from this page http://www.videomap.it/download.htm For the Nexus Player you need the 1920x1080 orientation 0 i think, are at bottom of page. The TouchMouse is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT6bAMUUWg0 but many games and apps support also the standard default mouse mode and multi touch gestures with two fingers. The video is old, now DroidMote is more aesthetically pleasing and improved in every part. But remember that the interface must remain very simple and easy to use even when you are a lying in bed.
You can play also Windows games on your Nexus Player if you want, with DroidMote + Splashtop 2 ( Watch the latest video in the quick start guide ) if also Splashtop support x86 Android devices.

This is beyond frustrating
Droid mote doesnt even work.
From what I can tell, there is absolutely no way to get TOUCH input onto the nexus player. At least not on the latest update.
Droid mote connects and works fine, but a mouse click still wont click on anything in the lean back menu. Its the same as using a regular mouse... you can use it, but when you right click it WILL NOT register as a touch input.
There has got to be a way to enable the mouse to work as a touch input...... there just has to be.... its an option in some menus on android, but not the damn nexus player!