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[CLOSED/Q] Thickness

About how thick is the g2 going to be in comparison to the nexus one and g1? already know its like 5 mm thicker than iphone 4.

Id say about a quarter more than the nexus, think of it like the back is as thick as the camera bubble.

barely thinner then the slide
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navillos said:
Id say about a quarter more than the nexus, think of it like the back is as thick as the camera bubble.
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Yes, is not much thicker in absolute numbers, but it feels - for me thinkness matters.

Reporters say it's actually not that thick. It looked a little thick to me. I'd rather take a phone with excellent build quality and a little bulk over a thin phone made of plastic.

looked kind of chunky in the vid but i guess time will tell.

According to the dimensions on HTC's website, the G2 is about 3mm thinner than the G1. That seems really great for a QWERTY phone, if you ask me.
EDIT: Here are the actual numbers for thickness:
G1/Dream: 17.1mm
Nexus One: 11.5mm
G2: 14.1mm

diastro said:
Yes, is not much thicker in absolute numbers, but it feels - for me thinkness matters.
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Did I read that right? Or do I just have my mind in the gutter?

ryaninc said:
Here are the actual numbers for thickness:
G1/Dream: 17.1mm
Nexus One: 11.5mm
G2: 14.1mm
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iPhone 4: 9.3 mm
guess its pretty thin for an slider but i'm definitely not going to put a case on it. maybe an BSE but not a hard case. thank goodness its thinner that the g1.

mtl171 said:
guess its pretty thin for an slider but i'm definitely not going to put a case on it. maybe an BSE but not a hard case. thank goodness its thinner that the g1.
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For comparison, here are thickness numbers for a few other QWERTY slider phones:
Touch Pro 2: 17.8mm
G1: 17.1mm
Samsung Moment: 16mm
Motorola Cliq: 15.6mm
Motorola Backflip: 15.3mm
MyTouch Slide: 15.2mm
G2: 14.1mm
Samsung Epic: 14mm
Motorola Droid: 13.7mm
So the G2 is just a hair thicker than the original Droid, which was a very thin phone, considering it had a full keyboard. These numbers kind of make the G1 look like a brick, don't they? I never thought of mine as that thick until I look at these numbers all side by side.

ryaninc said:
So the G2 is just a hair thicker than the original Droid, which was a very thin phone, considering it had a full keyboard. These numbers kind of make the G1 look like a brick, don't they? I never thought of mine as that thick until I look at these numbers all side by side.
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the G1 was a brick. remember not so good battery life was because of the force field protecting.

Why would an aluminum phone need a case?
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shad0wfire said:
Why would an aluminum phone need a case?
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aluminum isnt the most durable material in the world. it tends to dent pretty easy from a fall so a case could help that.

time will tell if it needs a case, but because of the interesting "slider" cases could be hard to come by, t-mo plans on having a few cases on hand but i don't usually like the cases they have, i will probably ghost armor this phone like i did my slide(although this one will get it right away)

i thought only part of the back was brushed aluminum. it also dents and scratches pretty easily hence the possible need for a bse? anyway slider cases suck. a lot. pretty thick as well and i want this phone to fit in my pocket.
tubaking182 said:
i will probably ghost armor this phone like i did my slide(although this one will get it right away)
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ghost armor any good? always heard people going with bse given its relatively low cost and decent preformance.

I like it, had it done on the mytouch, and my mytouch slide, it's a little thick so most cases don't fit right if you do the whole phone, but deffinately is scratch-proof. I pay 25 for it and with the lifetime warranty it's worth it in my mind.
I will say though that if you are a fan of swype then you will have to get used to the material on the screen for a bit as it doesn't feel quite as nice as the screen does but that's the price to pay for protection in my book.
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also plastic screens scratch ALOT easier then glass.

Build quality of DVP ???

Hey...
I just want to know about the build quality. Is the chrome plastic? Or metal?
Is anything plastic?
Thanks.

I know the battery cover is plastic. Pretty sure the chrome sides will be too.

ericc191 said:
I know the battery cover is plastic. Pretty sure the chrome sides will be too.
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ya i saw a video saying cover was plastic...
if the chrome sides are plastic...that may change my mind (paint could scratch off easy...) =.=.

Bump...someone please answer me.

BUMP. ANYONE?
common, I know someone of you got the phone.

I went to use one in the Microsoft store here in San Diego, and if I recall the sides seemed like actual metal. The phone feels very sturdy in the hand and I didn't question the build quality at any time.

Thanks for the answer.

Lenas said:
I went to use one in the Microsoft store here in San Diego, and if I recall the sides seemed like actual metal. The phone feels very sturdy in the hand and I didn't question the build quality at any time.
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Thanks, just what I wanted to know.

I am pretty sure that the sides are plastic. The back is also plastic and I am not to sure that I like that texture. Overall the slider is well built and seems like it will last for some time.
I am not really concerned about the build as it seems quite good. The back is flimsy but really it is not doing anything but covering the battery and the SIM. Not as structural as some phones back covers.

gshocker said:
I am pretty sure that the sides are plastic. The back is also plastic and I am not to sure that I like that texture. Overall the slider is well built and seems like it will last for some time.
I am not really concerned about the build as it seems quite good. The back is flimsy but really it is not doing anything but covering the battery and the SIM. Not as structural as some phones back covers.
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So you have the DVP and you think its plastic?

Well, if they were metal, that could explain why the phone weighs 6.74 oz.

I want it to be metal heh. makes it feel like a superior product.

The build quality could be better. The phone is plastic and some of the fit is less the perfect. It's not a Nokia E series or an HTC - but I think it will stand up.

That blows. Makes me think about just going to get the LG Optimus 7. That phone definitely has awesome build quality.

Se4nH4x said:
That blows. Makes me think about just going to get the LG Optimus 7. That phone definitely has awesome build quality.
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I'm still going to try one, at least. I'm looking forward to the speaker and the screen mainly. Red on the HD7 looks like Orange, lol.

Between the HTC HD7/Surround, Dell venue pro, and the Samsung focus, I would rate the screens as follows:
HTC: 5.0
Dell: 8.0
Samsung: 9.0
Both the Dell/Samsung are a little blurry or grainy up close but the picture quality/contrast is so much better then LCD.

Up close and with small text is the downside of SAMOLED and AMOLED screens with the PenTile matrix. My only gripe. When resolutions go up in the future. I will be curious as to how much better it will be.
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Samsung Ativ-S WP8 is Official

If T-Mobile gets mid level devices, this will be my replacement for my HD7
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/29/...-8-inch-windows-phone-8-device/#disqus_thread

Dr.8820 said:
If T-Mobile gets mid level devices, this will be my replacement for my HD7
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/29/...-8-inch-windows-phone-8-device/#disqus_thread
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That's the Hi-End device

Full Specs : http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_ativ_s-4960.php

http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-ativ-s-4-8-inch-windows-phone-8-handset-made-of-metal-29244563/

Really nice, I dig the look of that brushed aluminum...

I'm not a Samsung fan, but as a Tmo customer, this might be as good as it gets.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1730629&page=6
many pictures of the new phone released yesterday in microsoft blog

So next week, just the outer shell will be different for Nokia?
Samsung aimed straight for the gut.
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Nokia will respond to Sam's Ativ S next week, we will see next week who's the best.

The ativ looks really nice. I'm tempted already.
The design and aluminum elements look real good. And good screen size too. And internal specs.
Might be the best of the windows 8 handsets as well the first.
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Any idea if Ativ-S would have micro-sim or normal sim. I am sure Nokia would have micro-sim like its current Lumia range, and hence I bought Samsung Omnia W

^most likely micro Sim.
Mesho Arc said:
Nokia will respond to Sam's Ativ S next week, we will see next week who's the best.
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It will be a larger Lumia device with the same internals as the Samsung device.
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I love the look of the phone but HATE the windows button styling. I think it is the silver border around it. It just spoils it and sticks out like a sore thumb. I am not against a hardware button, just the look of this particular one.

That brushed Aluminum is plastic.
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Sholokov said:
That brushed Aluminum is plastic.
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it's not. it's a very thin but very strong sheet of metal that is very flexible. the outer layer is metal. the inside layer is plastic.

powersquad said:
it's not. it's a very thin but very strong sheet of metal that is very flexible. the outer layer is metal. the inside layer is plastic.
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Have you some source for that ?

powersquad said:
it's not. it's a very thin but very strong sheet of metal that is very flexible. the outer layer is metal. the inside layer is plastic.
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DDReaper said:
Have you some source for that ?
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Sorry guys but, it's plastic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Cv2TPSNRM
Samsung you are a cheap SOB
Nokia what's up?

narta said:
Sorry guys but, it's plastic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Cv2TPSNRM
Samsung you are a cheap SOB
Nokia what's up?
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i wouldn't be so sure of that
you have the windows phone official blog on one side wich had all the time they need to test the phone and said that the phone is made of brushed alluminium
on the other side you have a wierd russian blog wich had no time to test the phone and quicly say that it's plastic.
I will wait for more information to make a conclusion.

Actually isn't it supposed to be better if it is plastic? Metal will affect the antenna and signal surely. Why else would the back of some tablets have a plastic section for the antenna area. I would prefer better reception over style.

DDReaper said:
i wouldn't be so sure of that
you have the windows phone official blog on one side wich had all the time they need to test the phone and said that the phone is made of brushed alluminium
on the other side you have a wierd russian blog wich had no time to test the phone and quicly say that it's plastic.
I will wait for more information to make a conclusion.
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If you look closely the official windows phone blog said that it has an aluminum CHASSIS not backdoor.
there's yet another video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47Sc5IDdFjI and if you look at 2:00 it bends the backcover way too much for it to be aluminum and not retain that bend
Probably it's a plastic backcover with an aluminum film on top
It's still a premium device, but I 'm just having second thoughts about being my first choice until I see Nokia and HTC

Sony loves it's glass design as do we, but This is how to do Glass Sony!

http://youtu.be/aTpFTifoMks

Woza72 said:
http://youtu.be/aTpFTifoMks
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I'd choose a Sony over that every single time!
Where is the glass part of the phone btw? This phone is just like all the others, while Sony has a back and front plate made out of glass.

that's one chunky

Dsteppa said:
I'd choose a Sony over that every single time!
Where is the glass part of the phone btw? This phone is just like all the others, while Sony has a back and front plate made out of glass.
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Did you watch the video with your eyes open?
One side of every mobile phone made, is glass, you know, so you can see through it to the information on the display! It would be quite problematic if they placed a plastic, rubber or metal casing over the phones actual lcd display as you would not be able to interact with its touch capabilities nor would you be able to see the screen!
My post is only talking purely about the glass.
I have a z3 compact and love it. However the glass is not resilient enough.
Imagine if on the iteration of the z4 Sony used this glass, front and back, then just increased the thickness of the nylon corners by 1-2mm so that when placed flat on a surface this was the only part that touched.
Close to perfection! Naked phone all day everyday ☺

That's one chunky and ugly phone! But at least I'd trust the glass more than I do the Z3c's
Funny thing is, many people's iPhones, Xperias, Galaxies etc. end up looking just as chunky and ugly when wrapped with big ol' cases for protection :laugh:

Woza72 said:
Did you watch the video with your eyes open?
One side of every mobile phone made, is glass, you know, so you can see through it to the information on the display! It would be quite problematic if they placed a plastic, rubber or metal casing over the phones actual lcd display as you would not be able to interact with its touch capabilities nor would you be able to see the screen!
My post is only talking purely about the glass.
I have a z3 compact and love it. However the glass is not resilient enough.
Imagine if on the iteration of the z4 Sony used this glass, front and back, then just increased the thickness of the nylon corners by 1-2mm so that when placed flat on a surface this was the only part that touched.
Close to perfection! Naked phone all day everyday ☺
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It was 5am when I watched the video. Anyways... What I meant was, Sony has one front and rear glass body, while that phone has only the front part that's made out of glass, that's why I said that the phone is similar to other phones out there. The rear of the phone you linked takes most of the impact when the phone falls. Glass can take less hits (Sony front and rear)
In the end it doesn't matter if the phone is shatterproof/breakproof/waterproof. It's proof until a certain point.
It really doesn't matter if the/a phone is made out of diamonds, it will never be indestructible.
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Dsteppa said:
It was 5am when I watched the video. Anyways... What I meant was, Sony has one front and rear glass body, while that phone has only the front part that's made out of glass, that's why I said that the phone is similar to other phones out there. The rear of the phone you linked takes most of the impact when the phone falls. Glass can take less hits (Sony front and rear)
In the end it doesn't matter if the phone is shatterproof/breakproof/waterproof. It's proof until a certain point.
It really doesn't matter if the/a phone is made out of diamonds, it will never be indestructible.
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Sometimes I don't know why I bother, some people just look for the black clouds in everything!

Woza72 said:
Sometimes I don't know why I bother, some people just look for the black clouds in everything!
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Exactly! Hence the title of this topic. This is a Sony section, I don't see what you can/want to reach by posting such a video here.
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Dsteppa said:
Exactly! Hence the title of this topic. This is a Sony section, I don't see what you can/want to reach by posting such a video here.
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OMG here come the clouds!

I actually get what you mean, and it would certainly be nice seeing something like that on a smartphone with 2 glass sides, but it would be really expensive. The off-contract price for Z3 Compact is already $500+, if both sides had a sapphire glass it would cost $700 or most likely more (especially since Sony does not produce their own sapphire glass). And the sapphire glass, while scratch-proof, can still break during certain impacts, as the video has shown. I'd rather see Sony use a better quality glass - not a sapphire but something which doesn't crack during normal usage, like some Z3C's currently do

This thread is pointless.
A Phone with sapphire front and backpanel, as thin as the Z3, would be way more prone to cracking. While sapphire is much more scratch resistant it's also more brittle. Harder = more brittle. So what exactly is the point of this thread?
A bulky phone with a rugged design and built in bumper is stronger than a thin phone without all these rugged reinforcements? Who could have expected that? :cyclops:

Thanks, exactly what I just wanted to say. And the fact that the phone is so bulky is one reason they can use sapphire glass at all.
Apple invested hundreds of millions of dollars in sapphire, and still the iPhone 6 doesn't use it. Guess why.
http://time.com/3377972/why-apple-didnt-use-sapphire-iphone-screens/

Iruwen said:
Thanks, exactly what I just wanted to say. And the fact that the phone is so bulky is one reason they can use sapphire glass at all.
Apple invested hundreds of millions of dollars in sapphire, and still the iPhone 6 doesn't use it. Guess why.
http://time.com/3377972/why-apple-didnt-use-sapphire-iphone-screens/
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Sorry to bring some rays of bright, ambitious, product design ideas to the forum!
The whole idea of my thread was to highlight the possibility of better glass for Sony. I for one am not so concerned about shock/impact resilence as I have never been so clumsy as to drop a phone. However to have a screen that remains scratch free for its intended life span? Well I would pay an extra $50 for that! Additionally like I said, if they redesigned the phone frame/bumper most of the shock due to a drop would not transmit to the screen.
In closing, it's hilarious how those of you who posted negative , inflammatory comments on the pointlessness of this thread.
It was obviously meaningful enough for you to waste your petty time, energy and minds on!

What a waste of internet space this thread is.
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When people think they're smarter than multi-billion dollar companies they either have a good reason or they didn't check the facts.

pipspeak said:
That's one chunky and ugly phone! But at least I'd trust the glass more than I do the Z3c's
Funny thing is, many people's iPhones, Xperias, Galaxies etc. end up looking just as chunky and ugly when wrapped with big ol' cases for protection :laugh:
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Ahh some refreshing, intelligent and insightful comments.
Thankyou for your time and thoughts ☺

AlexusJ said:
I actually get what you mean, and it would certainly be nice seeing something like that on a smartphone with 2 glass sides, but it would be really expensive. The off-contract price for Z3 Compact is already $500+, if both sides had a sapphire glass it would cost $700 or most likely more (especially since Sony does not produce their own sapphire glass). And the sapphire glass, while scratch-proof, can still break during certain impacts, as the video has shown. I'd rather see Sony use a better quality glass - not a sapphire but something which doesn't crack during normal usage, like some Z3C's currently do
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Ahh another bright light, who reads a post, understand it's intend purpose and respectfully identified both sides of their opinion.
Good day to you sir ☺

Any type of Sapphire screen would have made the Z3 thicker. Additionally it would have required a total redesign to compensate for the sapphire brittleness.
So again, what is your point? A mistery phone from Sony designed around a sapphire screen? Then this thread should go in the general Sony section.

OP's too butthurt to listen to actual arguments I'm afraid.

Useless thread is useless.
Thread closed.

Material covering flash plastic?

Hi y'all.. Bought the lg g6 recently. So far loving it. I like how the phone is entirely scratch resistant however I just noticed that the material covering the flash is plastic. I saw a deep scratch and had no idea how it got there given that I've had the phone in a mil grade case ever since opening he package. I put my finger on the flash and the scratches got even worse. I'm considering returning the phone because of this, has anyone run into this??

Watch the video in youtube from jerryrigeverything to see from wich material is the flash supposed to be.

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Watch the video in youtube from jerryrigeverything to see from wich material is the flash supposed to be.
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I watched both of his G6 videos - unfortunately he never did a scratch test of the material covering the flash

Really??
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... I'm considering returning the phone because of this, has anyone run into this??
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Really?? You're going to return a phone because of the material that was used to cover the LED camera flash?? What impact is a scratch on the plastic of your LED flash going to have on your photos?

I'm pretty sure the majority of phones out now use plastic for the flash. If you're considering returning it because of that then you should just get an iPhone. The plastic will refract the light regardless of whether there's scratches or not.

Saythis said:
I'm pretty sure the majority of phones out now use plastic for the flash. If you're considering returning it because of that then you should just get an iPhone. The plastic will refract the light regardless of whether there's scratches or not.
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I have a Nexus 5X which is manufactured by LG - it seems to use a harder plastic because I don't see any scratches on the material covering the flash. I noticed the iPhone uses glass? for the flash? I might look into this

Confirmed. All phones use plastic on flash except for one, S8

iori_cl said:
Confirmed. All phones use plastic on flash except for one, S8
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where did you get this data?

Google mainly and the channel i told you, in the test video for the s8 he says: " first time i ever see a glass on a flashlight", so i went straight to google and in fact its true.

iori_cl said:
Google mainly and the channel i told you, in the test video for the s8 he says: " first time i ever see a glass on a flashlight", so i went straight to google and in fact its true.
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ok this might be a game changer for me then lol - I chose LG G6 over the S8 because the G6 has a flat screen (I hate the curved screens because of the lack of screen protectors) - however I can't stand that a premium phone like the G6 opted for plastic to cover the flash, unacceptable.

Is not only LG, every other brand is exactly the same. Mi wife has a HTC 10, and that part is indeed plastic.
If a I were you, I wouldn't worry and enjoy the phone, its amazing

iori_cl said:
Is not only LG, every other brand is exactly the same. Mi wife has a HTC 10, and that part is indeed plastic.
If a I were you, I wouldn't worry and enjoy the phone, its amazing
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I already returned my G6 because of the plastic flash issue - I think it's a really cheap plastic because everytime I lightly brushed the flash with my finger there was a new scratch... pretty crazy

Snowleopard86 said:
I already returned my G6 because of the plastic flash issue - I think it's a really cheap plastic because everytime I lightly brushed the flash with my finger there was a new scratch... pretty crazy
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Did you check your new phone to make sure the mic and earpiece holes aren't gonna collect any dust? That right there is gonna KILL your smartphone experience. Also, don't forget to check the pressure sensitivity of the volume buttons.... can't have those taking too much or too little pressure to activate, right? And you're not thinking about getting the S8, are you?? My God, man, you DO know the volume control is just a single bar instead of two distinct buttons, right?? WHAT IF YOU ACCIDENTALLY PRESS UP WHEN YOU MEAN TO PRESS DOWN?!? THE HORROR!!!

Hahahaha funny!

a Mr. Smith said:
Did you check your new phone to make sure the mic and earpiece holes aren't gonna collect any dust? That right there is gonna KILL your smartphone experience. Also, don't forget to check the pressure sensitivity of the volume buttons.... can't have those taking too much or too little pressure to activate, right? And you're not thinking about getting the S8, are you?? My God, man, you DO know the volume control is just a single bar instead of two distinct buttons, right?? WHAT IF YOU ACCIDENTALLY PRESS UP WHEN YOU MEAN TO PRESS DOWN?!? THE HORROR!!!
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on a more serious note - A cnet review noted that the G6 got a "hairline fracture" on the front despite normal use... not sure why there are physical defects like this

Fair enough
Snowleopard86 said:
on a more serious note - A cnet review noted that the G6 got a "hairline fracture" on the front despite normal use... not sure why there are physical defects like this
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I will grant you that the phone probably picks up scratches easier than it should. I imagine LG was trying to save money by not going with Gorilla Glass 5 all the way around and sapphire crystal for the camera cover. But all these hardness ratings and scratch tests exist because ALL phones scratch and chip... some more than others. You're gonna have to pay however many thousands of dollars Apple was going to charge people for a sapphire crystal-encased phone before they scrapped that idea to get something that will really stand up to scratches and "hairline fractures."

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I will grant you that the phone probably picks up scratches easier than it should. I imagine LG was trying to save money by not going with Gorilla Glass 5 all the way around and sapphire crystal for the camera cover. But all these hardness ratings and scratch tests exist because ALL phones scratch and chip... some more than others. You're gonna have to pay however many thousands of dollars Apple was going to charge people for a sapphire crystal-encased phone before they scrapped that idea to get something that will really stand up to scratches and "hairline fractures."
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right, but a hairline fracture on the screen is absurd.. that will actually affect the viewing. My Nexus 5X is mostly plastic aside from the screen and for now I'm sticking with this phone..

What if the plastic breaks, does this affect water resistance? should I even worry about it?