Is the device any good without root? - Verizon Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I am eligible for an upgrade in just a couple of weeks. I love my S3 so naturally I would like the S5. However, like most of you on here I am heavily into modding my device. I just wanted to see what everyone thought of the phone without root. Has it hindered your usage much? Would you still recommend it without root?
Note: I'm not trying to discourage the community, I am sure this phone will see root eventually.

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davidstre said:
I am eligible for an upgrade in just a couple of weeks. I love my S3 so naturally I would like the S5. However, like most of you on here I am heavily into modding my device. I just wanted to see what everyone thought of the phone without root. Has it hindered your usage much? Would you still recommend it without root?
Note: I'm not trying to discourage the community, I am sure this phone will see root eventually.
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If you're highly use to root, I would not recommend. If you aren't, I would. There are so many online ads and formatting issues with Kit Kat while browsing. Force to zoom and text fit is not working in all browsers. Nor Flash. Each of these work, but not all in the same browser it seems. I've probably tried 10 but prefer Boat for its customization and navigation bar. And if a feature works in one browser, I find those browsers aren't as highly configurable, so you're having to sacrifice a few things to achieve another within a browser. Come to think of it, all my complaints are internet based. So perhaps its not as bad as it sounds. It really is an awesome phone, but my device has been like a desktop computer in my pocket for years. I feel severely limited at this point. Also the sd card thing is limiting. I don't have the right words to describe, but basically it makes you have to utilize its own file browser for the most important jobs. I can no longer sync music and videos to my sd card off the bat. I can only sync to internal, then move. I don't think that My Files is very user friendly compared to my default file browser, so its time consuming to do all this shuffling to my 64gb sd so I can view things as I need and want to utilize them. Lots of bloat, but most can be turned off or hidden thank goodness.
But as I said before, terrific phone otherwise. Battery is tops. Touchwiz is fine. Screen is excellent. Easy to hold and feels sturdy and not easy to drop. Fast charging. Satisfactory phone all around. The chrome part is cheap looking to me, but oh well. Less fingerprints than s3. Nice features and hiccup free. Just stifled where it counts to me. People who aren't use to having options, still have them where it matters. I've happily been able to sideload. It's just taking some getting use to.

Thanks for the complete reply. I cannot believe you can't sync music from the SD card, that is insane. Wow, I also forgot adobe flash doesn't come stock anymore. I usually flash a stock rom such as CleanROM to streamline and kill the bloat. Some key things I use root for are: long press volume key to skip music tracks, gesture controls, titanium, root Explorer, adblock, and for control over my CPU speed.
I'm considering the M8 for root but I am rough on my phones and know the glass screen will shatter. I love the form factor of the S5 more and water resistance is a major draw. I just wish I could do something to help with the root effort.
Also, Chrome browser gave you trouble? What do you use to play music? I use poweramp
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I don't have the S5 but I'll give my reasoning for not getting this device. In my option, Android is great because you are given control, but when a phone is locked down like this then it's no better than an iPhone. IPhones are meant to be locked down so that's expected but android phones are meant to be open and let users do what they want with it. I really dislike Samsung giving into Verizon and AT&T, therefore I refuse to support their decision to continue their policy of locking down their devices.
As for the htc one, I love it and this is coming from a hard core Apple user who's going to get into iOS development. Plus HTC offers a free screen replacement within the 6 months for your concern about the screen. What ever you decide, I hope that you become satisfied with your decision.
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davidstre said:
Thanks for the complete reply. I cannot believe you can't sync music from the SD card, that is insane. Wow, I also forgot adobe flash doesn't come stock anymore. I usually flash a stock rom such as CleanROM to streamline and kill the bloat. Some key things I use root for are: long press volume key to skip music tracks, gesture controls, titanium, root Explorer, adblock, and for control over my CPU speed.
I'm considering the M8 for root but I am rough on my phones and know the glass screen will shatter. I love the form factor of the S5 more and water resistance is a major draw. I just wish I could do something to help with the root effort.
Also, Chrome browser gave you trouble? What do you use to play music? I use poweramp
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My apologies for the novel. First of all, I want to explain why I did not get the rootable HTC One. After I got the S5, i made a trip to Verizon to check out everything I'd be passing up. The closest contest was with the HTC One. I was impressed by the G2 but wanted to see if the G3 would have sd card expansion and be comparable size to S5. When I held the One and S5 side by side, the screen size was a significant size difference. Also, the M8 was taller. I'm a tiny person, so the S5 barely fits in my pocket as is. A larger device for me personally, is not realistic. I'm not going to start carrying a bag or bulky belt clip just for a phone. Secondly, I have many years of training in photography. While I understand a smartphone will never be an SLR, the photog in me wanted a device that I felt was still comparable in most ways.
Chrome is fine as a browser, but that's where the desktop in a pocket comes into play. It cannot run flash. Its not highly configurable. No navigation bar and useful shortcuts. No add ons. If I force to zoom a webpage with a large ad, it zooms the ad in as well thereby taking up valuable screen real estate.
I use Player Pro for music which is great. But I can no longer sync using Doubletwist. I drag and dropped my Music folder/Playlists via cable to make sure it went directly to my sd where I wanted it. My favorite video player no longer reads the right aspect ratio of my films. Many apps are playing catch up to Kit Kat and its limitations/changes. So I find myself using various video players occasionally. One has better sound than the other and so on and on.
Oh, and this is just a nitpick, but the Menu button has been replaced with app manager, the same feature you'd get when you long pressed home on S3. The button will still function as a proper Menu button if you long press it while inside an app though. So that's good. Otherwise you access Menu through the Navigation bar or via the 3 onscreen dots.
I miss Cleanrom so much! Both M8 and S5 seem to test well in drop tests. But its all relative. Everyone I knew with S3 had broken screens. I dropped mine so many times, including concrete with no kinda protection and it never cracked other than the plastic corners. Some of the built in gesture controls have been eliminated, so best to inquire about which ones you need. Several off the beaten path "features" are gone as the were deemed too gimmicky, even though people still appreciated them. Firefox has an Adblock add on and Flash works with it too. The force to zoom is not as magnified as Chrome. I can't recall seeing a working text to fit in any browser, but I may be mistaken. RIP Titanium and CPU speed for the time being but I think this thing is fast.
Oddly enough, I just got Root Explorer and my default file explorer to perform tasks it wouldn't do before. So maybe all is not lost there. I'll need to research this one further. I'm pretty sure it wasn't reading my playlists off of micro sd before...
On S3, I kept device on powersaving, but powersaving on this phone causes it to hiccup too much. I still get at least 15 hours or so with several of those, 3-5 hrs screen on. Speaking of which, GPS is different too. I do keep it on Powersaving as having it completely off inhibits certain location functions now. Haven't used long press to skip tracks in years, so unsure how to even set that up anymore (got it to work through Player Pro settings but only with screen on). You are right, the form factor is great. Would have preferred it a little shorter, but my understanding is they made it as small as they could.
Good luck with your decision. I paid full price for the first time ever and have an upgrade coming in November. If we don't have root by then, I may consider my options. Some things are getting easier by the day though. Just have to adjust your expectations a little.

I drop my S3 at least once every day and I have one small scratch on the screen after 2 years. As for the M8 replacing a cracked screen once , that's nice..until it cracks a second time. I run my S3 on powersaving mode as well, it is disappointing to hear the S5 hiccups on it, especially since CleanROM would probably fix that.
What I'm taking away from everything you've said is that it's a truly great phone but not quite great enough to make up for no root. Thanks for your input, I will probably hang on to my S3 until root or a new release.
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This is my first Android phone not unlocked and rooted, it is a little annoying but I am still extremely satisfied with it. It pisses me off that I pay $600 or so for a phone and I am limited to what I can do with it, but I am on the other hand grateful for the security! And hoping and praying that our devs won't let me down, and we have root soon!

kilroy1stcav said:
This is my first Android phone not unlocked and rooted, it is a little annoying but I am still extremely satisfied with it. It pisses me off that I pay $600 or so for a phone and I am limited to what I can do with it, but I am on the other hand grateful for the security! And hoping and praying that our devs won't let me down, and we have root soon!
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If you paid 600, why not get the Dev edition?

davidstre said:
I drop my S3 at least once every day and I have one small scratch on the screen after 2 years. As for the M8 replacing a cracked screen once , that's nice..until it cracks a second time. I run my S3 on powersaving mode as well, it is disappointing to hear the S5 hiccups on it, especially since CleanROM would probably fix that.
What I'm taking away from everything you've said is that it's a truly great phone but not quite great enough to make up for no root. Thanks for your input, I will probably hang on to my S3 until root or a new release.
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I have always had root on all my phones but with this of course it does not have it. But where that is a big con the phone is amazing in the power and battery use. The camera is so big of a pro for me I can give the devs time for root. Becouse for me I can wait for that. I used root mainly becouse the phones I had did not have the newest Android so for me this works for now.
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davidstre said:
I am eligible for an upgrade in just a couple of weeks. I love my S3 so naturally I would like the S5. However, like most of you on here I am heavily into modding my device. I just wanted to see what everyone thought of the phone without root. Has it hindered your usage much? Would you still recommend it without root?
Note: I'm not trying to discourage the community, I am sure this phone will see root eventually.
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Coming from the S3 myself running different ROMs including Alliance TW based ROM. I love the S5 and don't have many complaints about not having root. Although, I do seem to have issues copying files from internal sd0 to external SD card. Other than that I haven't run into anything that made me want to root it yet.
However, when root is available I WILL ROOT ASAP!

OdieHD said:
Coming from the S3 myself running different ROMs including Alliance TW based ROM. I love the S5 and don't have many complaints about not having root. Although, I do seem to have issues copying files from internal sd0 to external SD card. Other than that I haven't run into anything that made me want to root it yet.
However, when root is available I WILL ROOT ASAP!
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^^This. Although I have yet to experience the copying issues. I would like to remove the bloat and do some theming but overall the pure performance of the phone has allowed me to be content without root. With that said I will also root the minute someone finds an exploit.

OdieHD said:
Coming from the S3 myself running different ROMs including Alliance TW based ROM. I love the S5 and don't have many complaints about not having root. Although, I do seem to have issues copying files from internal sd0 to external SD card. Other than that I haven't run into anything that made me want to root it yet.
However, when root is available I WILL ROOT ASAP!
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Pretty much this, have fully customized SIII and when I can upgrade in July I will probably pick up the S5. Hopefully by then some stuff happens with root. I don't mind about custom kernels but root is important so I can remove bloat, ads and recoveries.
The choice is tough, buy a S5 with removable battery and storage but no root. Buy a HTC with root but no removable battery and storage. Coming from a Droid X2 on release and getting the S3 on release....The S3 has spoiled us.

Elite49 said:
Buy a HTC with root but no removable battery and storage.
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The HTC One M8 does have removable storage. 128GB SD card compatible

OdieHD said:
The HTC One M8 does have removable storage. 128GB SD card compatible
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Yeah but the battery is like 600 mh less uh and it is a problem to replace latter. Not water proof
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Also the camera Is way better. I have faith that we will get root maybe not unlocked bootloader but hay what Samsung had that in a long time. Also the Verizon Droid sorry HTC is the one and only besides maybe g2
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It has only been a month since this phone came out just have patience and wait at lest another month. I know the other devices had it right when it came out that was pure luck.
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IMO, 4.4 sux butt on all devices without root due to 'Goople' killing external writes. They truly suck butt. Using the lame security excuse is like if Windows killed external writing for apps. How would consumers like that?

I just got mine yesterday. I am coming from an S4 on TMO with unlimited LTE..... A) having to keep track of my data usage is going to be a challenge but at least I'll have coverage when I need it. I rooted my S4 and Note II before that the moment I got them home. I have not used a TW based ROM in two years. I thought not having PIE controls was going to be the death of it but the 'Toolbox' feature is pretty darn good. Now it's all the ads. I never realized how many ads there were!!! Holy Crap, I think the ads are going to eat all my data!!!! I have 13 days left before I can't take it back, but on Verizon, I don't see another option short of the S4.

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I just got mine yesterday. I am coming from an S4 on TMO with unlimited LTE..... A) having to keep track of my data usage is going to be a challenge but at least I'll have coverage when I need it. I rooted my S4 and Note II before that the moment I got them home. I have not used a TW based ROM in two years. I thought not having PIE controls was going to be the death of it but the 'Toolbox' feature is pretty darn good. Now it's all the ads. I never realized how many ads there were!!! Holy Crap, I think the ads are going to eat all my data!!!! I have 13 days left before I can't take it back, but on Verizon, I don't see another option short of the S4.
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Well u could try ad block plus I have it. It helps some. Or just get the ad free apps
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tydiamond11 said:
Well u could try ad block plus I have it. It helps some. Or just get the ad free apps
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I think @TigerDNA was talking about on Web Browsing? No? I have noticed that, but that's not a big thing for me. I ignore them.

This phone even unrooted kills the M8 with any custom ROM!!!
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Well, it was a good run

I hit the casino, won some money, and deposited it into my bank. Tomorrow morning I'm ordering my SGS2. Within a week (I expect) I will no longer be using my N1. I'm excited and sad at the same time. My N1 has served me so well for 2 years now. I've gone through phases of being a "crackflasher", had a ton of ROMs on it (although I always went back to CM), and I use it HEAVILY. Even though it is 2 years old it still performs so well compared to newer devices. The XDA N1 community has been friendly, helpful, and full of great development. I liked my N1 so much I considered the HTC Amaze for a while because I assumed it would be similar in a lot of ways but just have better insides. Now my future is full of ODIN, download mode, and a lack of CM (as of now at least).
I'm going to repurpose my N1 to be my mp3 player and XBMC remote. Yes, it already does those things and my SGS2 will be able to as well. I just figured if I leave the 16gb card in there and use it this way will save battery on my new phone. I've done this with another old phone and phone that removing things like phone.apk, sms.apk, and other "crucial" system apps you are left with a wifi only device that has unbelievable battery life.
Anyway, sorry for all the blubbering.
I was thinking the same thing with regards to mp3 player and TiVo remote for my N1. However, I recently have been unable to fit my headphones to the jack. I'll need to google to see if there's an easy fix for that.
I'm still on the fence. I really love my N1, especially with the MeDroid CM7 rom on it. I've been looking at the SGS2 and Galaxy Nexus as possible candidates, but the plastic feel is a bit of a turn off. I'm really hoping HTC does come out with a Tegra 3 phone that has a metal body.
I'm not sure what you mean by lack of CM on SGS2, but CyanogenMod has both CM7 and CM9 for SGS2 and they are both really good
I haven't found much for the T989 variant thought and since I'm T-Mobile that's what I ordered. The international and ATT versions are getting more love.
h0lyc0w said:
I'm still on the fence. I really love my N1, especially with the MeDroid CM7 rom on it. I've been looking at the SGS2 and Galaxy Nexus as possible candidates, but the plastic feel is a bit of a turn off. I'm really hoping HTC does come out with a Tegra 3 phone that has a metal body.
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The HTC Amaze is pretty impressive. Same specs as SGS2 but with a metal body and higher resolution screen. The screen is a little smaller though and I've read that the battery sucks but that is the story with a lot of phones anymore.
I just got an i9100 sgs2,and Oxygen 2.3.2 works great on it. So far I haven't noticed any bugs.
I think the sgs2 is a great choice, they have sold so many of them that there are quite a few roms available. The more phones sold, the more people are interested in getting new roms on the device.
About the part of removing the SMS apk etc, can you not just permanently take the sim card out if the phone and put it on flight mode?
Will that have the same effect?
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The N1 is still a great device, but I just replaced it with a Rezound. The N1 was still meeting all of my needs, but Verizon's 4G siren call was too much to resist.
Now the N1 sits on my coffee table, a remote for the media center with VOIP an added bonus.
olyloh6696 said:
About the part of removing the SMS apk etc, can you not just permanently take the sim card out if the phone and put it on flight mode?
Will that have the same effect?
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I guess you could. To me, if the apps are gone they can't run so that is going to save battery. I removed the apps with Root Toolbox on my old MT3G Fender phone and loaded it up with free games and gave it to my son. I've got it running CM 6.1 with Zeam launcher and removed a ton of system apps. It lasts for several days on 1 charge this way.
N1 is a really good device, like a legend in HTC Android phones. I'm afraid i'm unable to get rid of it until 。。。 i don't know
won't you constantly get FCs notices on those apks that you remove?
SiNJiN76 said:
won't you constantly get FCs notices on those apks that you remove?
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You do on some. I used Root Toolbox to remove them because it can create a backup of the app and restore it if you need. I tried to remove just about everything that didn't seem completely necessary for my MT3G to be used as just a game device for my kiddo and encountered a couple of .apk's that caused FC's when removed. I just immediately reinstalled them, although when FC popups kept coming up every couple of seconds it wasn't easy.

** Moving to the Nexus 5 **

So guys, I think I will be moving to the Nexus 5 and I water to take your opinions and if you want to change to it...then why?
I have two main reasons, the first would be to simply expand, I would like to test other phones than samsung and starting with a Nexus is the perfect choice. The other and MAIN reason would be Rom and Mod comp ability. What I mean here is that stock nexus devices should and as I know get many Roms, and i love exploring all the great Roms out there, and love tweaking my phone to the MAX. The problem here is that I own an I9500 and as you know that thing has a very low amount of Roms (Thanks to all debs who went through and created Roms for this device) but what I mean is that they are very limited. I remember on my Galaxy S1 how many Roms there were and how many Roms I flashed. Another problem would be that there are no stock android Roms, or stable ones at least, which limits everything. Along side with that Samsung is making it even harder to flash custom Roms (there is a post about this) but anyway it is becoming tougher, and that is kind of the opposite of what I want ( I AM NOT HATIN, I HAVE BEEN A SAMSUNG USER FOR YEARS). One example would be that we can't flash an older firmware, and that made so many problems for people like loosing their IMEI.
So tell me your opinions.
Nexus line will always be the first to get software updates. What you'll lose from moving are the expandable memory, removable battery, better camera, IR feature, perhaps better headphone sound as your version has the Wolfson DAC. Somethings to consider if any of those are important to you. Us i9505 owners have better development, also the ability to flash GPE roms.
I've personally ordered the N5 to give it a try if I don't like it I will return it under the DSR regulations we have in the UK. I do like Nexus products heck I had the N4 before moving to the S4 and have a N7.2 as well so know how development for those products are.
You'll gain instant updates, a plethora of roms and kernels, hassle free unlocking and no lock downs like Knox. A beefier CPU. Etc.
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nikzDHD said:
Nexus line will always be the first to get software updates. What you'll lose from moving are the expandable memory, removable battery, better camera, IR feature, perhaps better headphone sound as your version has the Wolfson DAC. Somethings to consider if any of those are important to you. Us i9505 owners have better development, also the ability to flash GPE roms.
I've personally ordered the N5 to give it a try if I don't like it I will return it under the DSR regulations we have in the UK. I do like Nexus products heck I had the N4 before moving to the S4 and have a N7.2 as well so know how development for those products are.
You'll gain instant updates, a plethora of roms and kernels, hassle free unlocking and no lock downs like Knox. A beefier CPU. Etc.
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Thanks for your answer. As for my loss, well you will always need to sacrifice something to get something else, but for me the most vital thing would probably be the expandable storage and maybe the headphone sound. As for the IR blaster, camera, and battery they aren't major for me, as I have never had to change batteries, barely used the IR blaster, and don't use my phones camera when taking important photos. So I hope that if I do get the Nexus 5 I would have a great experience.
You sure will have a great experience. Just check the N4 and N7 threads and see how many roms etc there are. With custom roms the experience will get even better. You may find stock Android weird at first but you'll get use to it.
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Im already selling mine on Ebay. Nexus 5 will be mine next week
nikzDHD said:
You sure will have a great experience. Just check the N4 and N7 threads and see how many roms etc there are. With custom roms the experience will get even better. You may find stock Android weird at first but you'll get use to it.
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Yup, thats the most exiting thing for me THE ROMSD just hope I don't get screwed over again and only a couple of Roms will be released....but I'm pretty sure that that won't be the case.
Stevemeister said:
Im already selling mine on Ebay. Nexus 5 will be mine next week
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Great man, congrats!! Don't forget to report back on your experience, and what things do u like better or worst..
By the way which model of the S4 of you own?
Thanks!
I own a I9505 but I hate the screen and the AOSP bugs so the new Nexus is a logical move for me.
No more waiting for android updates and no more purple smearing issue with the screen.
Can't wait !
Stevemeister said:
Thank!
I own a I9505 but I hate the screen and the AOSP bugs so the new Nexus is a logical move for me.
No more waiting for android updates and no more purple smearing issue with the screen.
Can't wait !
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I actually never had screen problems (probably because of different model) but I agree.....NO MORE WAITING FOR UPDATES!!!!
I have one on the way. I first reason I bought it so that I could play around with OSs more, not just ROMs. Trying out different ROMs is fun but it is still Android. I hope to see ports of FirefoxOS, Sailfish, and Touch for the Nexus 5.
Second, I've had many Samsung devices and developers have always found a way to get them open for playing with but KNOX is different. It was not meant to be circumvented and Samsung must keep it that way. As people figure out ways around it Samsung will be forced to take more aggressive actions or the whole thing is useless for enterprise and government organizations. Samsung started down the path and will be forced to follow it.
Last reason, I had an LG Optimus G prior to my S4, and I really liked it. It was a great device and instilled confidence in their ability to make nice handsets.
There are a few drawbacks to the change for me. I will miss some of the hardware features like the sd and battery. I will also miss some of the software my carrier provides like navigation.
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+1. I am thinking of doing the same. While nothing is perfect. The nexus 5 is as good as it can get in terms of ui and responsiveness. I have yet to read some reviews though from some of the top reviewers specially camera , screen and battery reviews. Just read CNET review and they mentioned that the screen is not as good as the iphone5 and HTC one. Not very bright and under sunlight its less that satisfactory. It also doesn't compare in terms of vibrancy to a gs4 or a note 3. The video sample footage they shot is also pretty ordinary (a little jittery and kind of extremely sharp, almost like playing a video game with AA turned off). So I am still holding my horses but really like this phone otherwise. Only if the bottom bezel (chin) wasn't too big. It feels like a waste of space.
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I think we have several Dislike Threads forS4. Why we need this one.? You wanna move on, Then its good for you but please let S4 Users live in Peace.
Well this thread does serve a purpose since people who switched can give a comparison on what is good/bad about the N5 in comparison to the S4.
I for one want a nexus device
Ever since i got into android I always had a samsung, well still have 1 year and 4 months in my contract so i guess my next device is gonna be the N6.
I need a microSD slot and I like having a removable battery, AMOLED and full-sized screen (the navigation bar takes up room). S4 for me.
Staying with S4
Why?
rocking 64GB of sexy stroage
Strong 2800 Battery (also got a 3900mah battery for it)
Octo-Core ( 4 x 4)
Android 4.3
i'll jump to S5 when its out,
Nexus 5 looks like a business phone no sd card cant remove battery and 32GB won't cut it in this day n age wake up people.
Good choice bro, i doubt you'll be dissapointed
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lethcore said:
Staying with S4
Why?
rocking 64GB of sexy stroage
Strong 2800 Battery (also got a 3900mah battery for it)
Octo-Core ( 4 x 4)
Android 4.3
i'll jump to S5 when its out,
Nexus 5 looks like a business phone no sd card cant remove battery and 32GB won't cut it in this day n age wake up people.
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Agree!
Also heading for the s5 instead of nexus.
No sd card sucks! And battery replacement is a must for me
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Bought a Galaxy Note 12.2 - mixed feelings...

Well I picked up a Note 12.2 (black/32GB) Friday and well have some mixed feelings considering the cost.
1. Need to root for more multiwindow apps
2. Chrome performance is still lacking - Googles fault, not Samsung's but figured raw performance would address it.
3. Really hate the physical home button and cap buttons more then I even thought I would. Why Samsung thinks this is a good idea beats me!
4. Really don't like that everything is scaled up in size for the larger screen. I realize it's the same resolution as my Nexus 10 but a DPI setting would have addressed this. Just makes it feel cheap and like it's for old people or kids. Need to root to change DPI...
5. Seems Samsung took big step backwards on some S Pen apps. The demos I watch for the previous Note devices work much better and more streamlined then on the Note 12.2. Really not sold on the S Pen and think mine is going back for a Tab Pro 12.2 if it's released soon otherwise maybe just a outright return.
6. Seems really stupid they hide the menu button under the multitask button (long press). I know many apps have a menu button but for those that do not this could really throw off a person who is not resourceful. This is the kind of crap that backs up the idea that an iPad is easier to use.
7. Definitely some random lag. Why does Samsung need to over bloat everything. stock Android fits in like 300MB and TW Android is like 8GB!
8. Very limited development activity!
I probably have more to say just not coming to mind yet. If I keep it I simply have to root in order to address the DPI and multi-window apps. It's an expensive device to give up warranty on... Only on day 3, we'll see how the next few go...
Totally understandable. Takes a bit of contemplation when the price is this high before deciding to root.
Having owned a Galaxy Tab 10.1 in the past, I knew going in though that there was no way i'd be satisfied with out of the box Touchwiz. I also knew that I wanted certain applications like Titanium Backup so I basically knew I was going to root from the moment I handed over my credit card to the cashier.
Good luck on your decision.
Thanks for the review it's a shame Samsung screwed this up. Had huge potential. Their latest products are not very impressive. I think you just made my mind to get the new Sony z2 tablet.
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Thanks for the review it's a shame Samsung screwed this up. Had huge potential. Their latest products are not very impressive. I think you just made my mind to get the new Sony z2 tablet.
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Its not bad at all. .. Just a lot of money for something that is not near perfect. I thought about a Z2 buy really wanted a 12 inch tablet. Root will address mammy issues and Google improving Chrome performance will do a lot. I'm pretty sure I'm taking the note 12.2 back and getting a tab pro 12.2 as $100 is to much for the s pen unless you are going use it a lot. .
I feel the same about the bloat. Really, my only problem with the tablet was TouchWiz. I plan to root within the next few days (as long as I'm still enjoying the tablet). I, for one, ONLY got this for drawing and writing.
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This thread reminded me that I had bought button savior for another android device that I had so thanks for that. Currently using button savior with root and liking it. Nice to have home, back and menu buttons within reach now.
Well after using my Note Pro 12.2 for week+ then trying my Nexus 10 again you really see how much better this tablet is. Decided to keep it, hopefully I'll find some value out of the S Pen. Just rooted it today so it's getting even better as I apply some tweaks (DPI, Chrome user agent, freezing apps, enable more multiwindow apps).
Had one for a few days...
Really nice screen size, like the larger fonts/UI as they are, easier to read and use compared to an iPad.
Disappointed in poor gallery performance showing 2560+ wide png images very slow render times.
Lag is still seen browsing the Web, eBay seems to bog it down . 8 cores and 3GB ram... Why?
PDF reading with EbookDroid improved but still short of Goodreader on the ipad.
Preferred the older gen of a snote, f (x) input / wolfram now gone.
Price given the issues above seems too high.
Too big
So I have had the Note 12.2 for a couple of days and all I can say that it is too big for me as a daily tablet. I will give it few more days of use and than decide if I'm going to keep it or not.
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Well I picked up a Note 12.2 (black/32GB) Friday and well have some mixed feelings considering the cost.
1. Need to root for more multiwindow apps
2. Chrome performance is still lacking - Googles fault, not Samsung's but figured raw performance would address it.
3. Really hate the physical home button and cap buttons more then I even thought I would. Why Samsung thinks this is a good idea beats me!
4. Really don't like that everything is scaled up in size for the larger screen. I realize it's the same resolution as my Nexus 10 but a DPI setting would have addressed this. Just makes it feel cheap and like it's for old people or kids. Need to root to change DPI...
5. Seems Samsung took big step backwards on some S Pen apps. The demos I watch for the previous Note devices work much better and more streamlined then on the Note 12.2. Really not sold on the S Pen and think mine is going back for a Tab Pro 12.2 if it's released soon otherwise maybe just a outright return.
6. Seems really stupid they hide the menu button under the multitask button (long press). I know many apps have a menu button but for those that do not this could really throw off a person who is not resourceful. This is the kind of crap that backs up the idea that an iPad is easier to use.
7. Definitely some random lag. Why does Samsung need to over bloat everything. stock Android fits in like 300MB and TW Android is like 8GB!
8. Very limited development activity!
I probably have more to say just not coming to mind yet. If I keep it I simply have to root in order to address the DPI and multi-window apps. It's an expensive device to give up warranty on... Only on day 3, we'll see how the next few go...
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1. No you don't there is an app for that.
2. Chrome sucks on anything. It literally is the worst. Dolphin and others can sync with desktop chrome and dolphin supports flash. You lost all credibility the moment you complained about chrome.
3. Samsung intends for it to be used mostly in portrait they are nice when used with a keyboard. But its ok to dislike it
4 . It's a bigger screen of course they made things bigger. It makes sense. If you want a smaller launcher use a different launcher. Or just root and adjust your dpi. Buy a third party protection plan like square trade and you dont have to worry about your warranty.
5. The spen apps have gotten better. Look around the forums. Many people had the old 10.1 and upon switching hated the new ones but have come to prefer the new apps. And if you "arent sold on the spen" why the #*@% did you pay extra for it?
6. Google has been pushing to get rid of the menu button. Samsung and some chinese oems are the only ones that still have it and samsung is the ONLY one that gives you the apps button and menu button. All apps should have an overflow in kitkat and samsung gives you this. 2 ways to get to a menu!! Dont you feel lucky!!
7. This device does not lag period. Ive only observed very slight jumps in graphics (the drop down bar almost exclusively) it is extremely smooth out of the box even before rooting and disabling apps. Your whining about a minor easily fixed graphical complaint (force gpu rendering and disable some bloat, no root required) which apparently ruins the entire tablet for you. As for bloat everything has bloat. When was thr last time you bought an LG phone or an iphone or hell even a nexus. Just so you know STOCK ANDROID DOESNT COME WITH GAPPS!!! So even nexus is bloat ridden. Samsung adds alot of functional applications. Most of the "bloat" is actually extremely useful if you are a business minded person. And you can disable alot of it. Just root and uninstall!
8. It is a 750 dollar 12 inch tablet with identical specs to a 500 dollar tablet and similar to some 350 dollar tablets. What do you expect devs (most that do this as a hobby) to just go running to best buy and grabbing it up? Also you keep complaining about rooting but you want dev activity which would mostly require root. Are you serious? Your like a bad tech reviewer that just found out rooting exists and cant device to hate or love it. If you want more dev activity buy another one and give it away to your favorite developer.
So in conclusion you dont know why you bought this tablet (Im thinking "ooh its big and shiny!!!" Had something to do with it) you didnt read the forums to see that the spen apps have been improved or that many of your complaints (ui lag and multiwindow apps) could be easily fixed, and your bipolar about rooting. I suggest you return it and purchase an ipad air. It might be a bit closer to your level.
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1. No you don't there is an app for that.
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Tried the non root app and it didn't work for all apps and most importantly some key apps that I need. They work fine now that I'm rooted and enabled them for multiwindow.
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2. Chrome sucks on anything. It literally is the worst. Dolphin and others can sync with desktop chrome and dolphin supports flash. You lost all credibility the moment you complained about chrome.
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I couldn't care less what you you think about my credibility. You clearly have a personality disorder! Already using Dophin w/flash (generally only for flash sites). I didn't know it would sync with Chrome so I may look into that although Chrome beta does perform a lot better then stable Chrome.
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3. Samsung intends for it to be used mostly in portrait they are nice when used with a keyboard. But its ok to dislike it
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Wrong, it's intended to be used in landscape. The wouldn't put the buttons on the bottom (holding in landscape) if it was meant to be used in portrait.
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4 . It's a bigger screen of course they made things bigger. It makes sense. If you want a smaller launcher use a different launcher. Or just root and adjust your dpi. Buy a third party protection plan like square trade and you dont have to worry about your warranty.
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Already rooted and the a different launcher (already using Apex) only adjusts the launcher icons, not overall DPI. You say of course... Well I disagree! To maintain a constant experience they should have adjusted the DPI. Bigger screen should mean more real estate, same size icons, not bigger everything!
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5. The spen apps have gotten better. Look around the forums. Many people had the old 10.1 and upon switching hated the new ones but have come to prefer the new apps. And if you "arent sold on the spen" why the #*@% did you pay extra for it?
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Well at the time the none pen (tab pro 12.2) was not available. Since you seem to think you know everything I would think you knew this. I had 14 days to return this and tab pro 12.2 was release within that time but I decided to keep the note. Wouldn't say I'm still sold on the pen but I plan to keep this tablet for at least 2 years and I'll get some use out of the pen. Will improve resale when I'm ready for the next tablet so I figure it's costing me about $50 premium which is really not that bad. So there you go... That is why the #*@% I got the Note instead of the Pro Tab 12.2.
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6. Google has been pushing to get rid of the menu button. Samsung and some chinese oems are the only ones that still have it and samsung is the ONLY one that gives you the apps button and menu button. All apps should have an overflow in kitkat and samsung gives you this. 2 ways to get to a menu!! Dont you feel lucky!!
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I have no idea what reality you live in but I have plenty of apps that don't have the menu button overlay and all tablets that use the on screen navbar buttons will show a menu button in the navbar when needed. You can call it what you will. I don't like Apple/iCrap anything but my point is that this can cause confusion for an inexperienced user (not me) and I'm sick of hearing the argument that iPads/iPhones are easier to use. This oversight by Samsung back up that claim for inexperienced users.
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7. This device does not lag period. Ive only observed very slight jumps in graphics (the drop down bar almost exclusively) it is extremely smooth out of the box even before rooting and disabling apps. Your whining about a minor easily fixed graphical complaint (force gpu rendering and disable some bloat, no root required) which apparently ruins the entire tablet for you. As for bloat everything has bloat. When was thr last time you bought an LG phone or an iphone or hell even a nexus. Just so you know STOCK ANDROID DOESNT COME WITH GAPPS!!! So even nexus is bloat ridden. Samsung adds alot of functional applications. Most of the "bloat" is actually extremely useful if you are a business minded person. And you can disable alot of it. Just root and uninstall!
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Samsungs ROMs contain a ton of bloat in the ROM code, it's not just the apps that take up the extra space. I know what stock Android is and that GAPPS needs to be loaded on ROMs like CM, AOKP, Paranoid, OmniROM. Been using these ROMs about as long as I have been using Android (@ 5 years). You can sit hear and defend Samsung all you want. I have had an S2, S3, S4, and the Note 12.2. Every single one of these device had some lag. It's not that big of deal or I wouldn't continue buying Samsung. I just really thought the raw horsepower of this tablet would make it smoother. My almost 2 year old Nexus 10 is smoother overall in the GUI, no question about it! The 12.2 clearly has more horsepower and I clearly see that in several apps I use that require a ton of processing power.
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8. It is a 750 dollar 12 inch tablet with identical specs to a 500 dollar tablet and similar to some 350 dollar tablets. What do you expect devs (most that do this as a hobby) to just go running to best buy and grabbing it up? Also you keep complaining about rooting but you want dev activity which would mostly require root. Are you serious? Your like a bad tech reviewer that just found out rooting exists and cant device to hate or love it. If you want more dev activity buy another one and give it away to your favorite developer.
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I've rooted every Android device I have ever owned. In addition to the list of phones above I've had a few other makes of phones and a few other tablets. I don't have an issue with rooting at all. Both my S3 and S4 were rooted the same say I got them. It was simply a little harder to root a $800 device with the understanding that it would void warranty. So I waited a couple weeks until I was sure I was keeping it and to ensure there were no hardware issues with the unit. So according you your response I guess it's not ok to state that there is limited to no developer activity. I was simply stating a fact but you seem to think that for some ****ing strange reason people can't state a fact without you ****ing lecturing them for stating suck a fact. Again, back to my statement in #2, you seriously do have a personality disorder. You should seek some help with that...
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So in conclusion you dont know why you bought this tablet (Im thinking "ooh its big and shiny!!!" Had something to do with it) you didnt read the forums to see that the spen apps have been improved or that many of your complaints (ui lag and multiwindow apps) could be easily fixed, and your bipolar about rooting. I suggest you return it and purchase an ipad air. It might be a bit closer to your level.
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There you go again running your mouth. I'd guess you are some spoiled kid who been taught no respect. To be clear, I bought this tablet for two reasons. First, I have been waiting a year for the next generation of tablets to replace my Nexus 10. Second, I have wanted a larger tablet and no one else makes a 12 inch tablet.
So in conclusion I don't know what your problem is. I posted up some good honest opinions on this tablet. You obviously don't think Samsung can do no wrong. I don't use Apple products but I'm not too childish to respect what they do right. I have never owned a iPad but do support a few of them so I'm not oblivious to how they work and compare to Android tablets. I assure you my "level" of technical skills is much higher then you could ever possibly imagine. I'd love to compare technical knowledge, experience, and pay rate any day!
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Tried the non root app and it didn't work for all apps and most importantly some key apps that I need. They work fine now that I'm rooted and enabled them for multiwindow.
I couldn't care less what you you think about my credibility. You clearly have a personality disorder! Already using Dophin w/flash (generally only for flash sites). I didn't know it would sync with Chrome so I may look into that although Chrome beta does perform a lot better then stable Chrome.
Wrong, it's intended to be used in landscape. The wouldn't put the buttons on the bottom (holding in landscape) if it was meant to be used in portrait.
Sorry typo on my part. Meant landscape lol
Already rooted and the a different launcher (already using Apex) only adjusts the launcher icons, not overall DPI. You say of course... Well I disagree! To maintain a constant experience they should have adjusted the DPI. Bigger screen should mean more real estate, same size icons, not bigger everything!
Exposed and the app settings module would change dpi system wide or app specifically
Well at the time the none pen (tab pro 12.2) was not available. Since you seem to think you know everything I would think you knew this. I had 14 days to return this and tab pro 12.2 was release within that time but I decided to keep the note. Wouldn't say I'm still sold on the pen but I plan to keep this tablet for at least 2 years and I'll get some use out of the pen. Will improve resale when I'm ready for the next tablet so I figure it's costing me about $50 premium which is really not that bad. So there you go... That is why the #*@% I got the Note instead of the Pro Tab 12.2.
I have no idea what reality you live in but I have plenty of apps that don't have the menu button overlay and all tablets that use the on screen navbar buttons will show a menu button in the navbar when needed. You can call it what you will. I don't like Apple/iCrap anything but my point is that this can cause confusion for an inexperienced user (not me) and I'm sick of hearing the argument that iPads/iPhones are easier to use. This oversight by Samsung back up that claim for inexperienced users.
Yet that doesn't change the fact that Samsung is the only company giving you menu function at all does it? If it was a nexus you wouldn't have any sort of menu key. At least you have one. The ones I find most often that don't have overflows are emulators. This is because devs haven't updated their apps to include them.
Samsungs ROMs contain a ton of bloat in the ROM code, it's not just the apps that take up the extra space. I know what stock Android is and that GAPPS needs to be loaded on ROMs like CM, AOKP, Paranoid, OmniROM. Been using these ROMs about as long as I have been using Android (@ 5 years). You can sit hear and defend Samsung all you want. I have had an S2, S3, S4, and the Note 12.2. Every single one of these device had some lag. It's not that big of deal or I wouldn't continue buying Samsung. I just really thought the raw horsepower of this tablet would make it smoother. My almost 2 year old Nexus 10 is smoother overall in the GUI, no question about it! The 12.2 clearly has more horsepower and I clearly see that in several apps I use that require a ton of processing power.
I don't see the lag. It is a matter of perception. I have used a nexus side by side and feel the note is just as smooth. I'm not defending Samsung. They could of dine several things better, my issue really is that if you root (you did) all those issues can be fixed and it is an amazing device that speaks for itself.
I've rooted every Android device I have ever owned. In addition to the list of phones above I've had a few other makes of phones and a few other tablets. I don't have an issue with rooting at all. Both my S3 and S4 were rooted the same say I got them. It was simply a little harder to root a $800 device with the understanding that it would void warranty. So I waited a couple weeks until I was sure I was keeping it and to ensure there were no hardware issues with the unit. So according you your response I guess it's not ok to state that there is limited to no developer activity. I was simply stating a fact but you seem to think that for some ****ing strange reason people can't state a fact without you ****ing lecturing them for stating suck a fact. Again, back to my statement in #2, you seriously do have a personality disorder. You should seek some help with that...
No just that you stated it as a con bothered me. It is such an obvious downside with such an expensive device that it doesn't need to be said. And more importantly I had a thing going with the numbers.
There you go again running your mouth. I'd guess you are some spoiled kid who been taught no respect. To be clear, I bought this tablet for two reasons. First, I have been waiting a year for the next generation of tablets to replace my Nexus 10. Second, I have wanted a larger tablet and no one else makes a 12 inch tablet.
I like this much better. My issue before is that it seemed like a list of complaints (we get a lot of those)
This is you describing precisely why you bought it and the issues you have face. I have no issue now
So in conclusion I don't know what your problem is. I posted up some good honest opinions on this tablet. You obviously don't think Samsung can do no wrong. I don't use Apple products but I'm not too childish to respect what they do right. I have never owned a iPad but do support a few of them so I'm not oblivious to how they work and compare to Android tablets. I assure you my "level" of technical skills is much higher then you could ever possibly imagine. I'd love to compare technical knowledge, experience, and pay rate any day!
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I make 150 dollars an hour at one job 962 dollars in 8 hours at another (typically ends up around 1500 a day though) and 8.50 an hour at another (keep it for the discounts.) Although I don't work in the tech field. I don't have the attention span for it. Love technology but coding is incredibly boring and tedious to me. I'm only learning it as hobbt to modify my own devices (and potentially release a rom one day) I'm not implying that I know more than you. More just bringing it to your attention that it was kind of a whiny post. It's much better now that you have described in detail your grievances. Also if your pay grade is so good why do you worry about the warranty? And if your tech skills are so good you should be our first Dev
Oh and yes I DO have a personality disorder. Kind of. I have aspbergers. A form of high functioning autism that manifests itself in social skills. I am very bad with social cues such as body language lol. I would rather be be alone than with people usually. Sadly my girlfriend doesn't agree. It is often found along side ADD. I also have that. It's OK though. People with ADD are typically very bright (which I am) That being said I intended to be a bit offensive. Your post was written In a way that got it very little attention. You get more responses ( I wouldn't have been a jack*#@) if it had been written just a bit differently a list of a problems will get nothing more than a return it from most people. Especially when you answer your own problems ( Rooting was a great solution) Good luck with the dpi change (I love adjusting apps individually instead of system wide) and I sincerely hope you enjoy the tablet for the next 2 years. I will.
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I make 150 dollars an hour at one job 962 dollars in 8 hours at another (typically ends up around 1500 a day though) and 8.50 an hour at another (keep it for the discounts.)
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LOL! Speechless!!!
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LOL! Speechless!!!
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Man when you get 400 off a tv minimum don't look so bad

How are you all enjoying your phones?

Looking for people who have had it for a month+. Is it already lagging or getting any worse for you? What do you like or dislike about it? Currently using a 6p and I held an s7 edge and liked it a lot but I'm unsure if I want to purchase it.
Also if you switched from a 6p your opinion would be a huge deal breaker. I am rooted running pn and some xposed modules that I might potentially miss being on the s7 edge.
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I switched from a Note 3 last month (VZW S7E Gold, pre-order, received March 9). I thought I would miss the larger screen, the stylus, IR blaster, but I'm liking it more than I thought I would. It just feels so much better in the hand and in my pocket. Even the screen is nicer to look at. The pictures, no comparison, so much better.
One thing I've noticed is the LACK of lag. I haven't restarted the phone in almost 2 full weeks and there's absolutely no lag whatsoever. My Note 3 would need a reboot every couple of days for a refresh due to lagginess. Now I'm trying to see how long I can go without a reboot. Battery life has been great. I use it to tether at work a lot (get around the work filter) so I can't speak for the screen-on time as the tethering uses a lot of the battery, but I did get over 4 hours SOT at one time. I did have the SD notification issue, but it went away on its own, hoping it doesn't come back. The kids and I have also been using the Gear VR and we all love it, no overheating issues, no bugs, it just works.
Other than the VR stuff, I have no games, mainly use it for internet, tethering, navigation/Android Auto, Samsung Pay (love that!), XDA, etc.
So other than the worry about the SD notification I have no down-side. I do travel a bit, for work and with the family, so that will be another test as I'm out and about around the country to see how it holds up, but I'm confident it's a keeper. At first I just got it to hold me over until the Note 6, but now I don't feel the need for the bigger screen anymore.
Edited to add: Forgot to mention, I was rooted and yes, xposed was nice and there are some modules I could use back, but nothing that makes me want to go back. The pros outweigh the cons for me.
I've had it since March 9th (couple days before launch) and I absolutely love it. I do sometimes feel like there are a couple small cons, but by and large I love this phone. I came from a S6 previously and it's just different enough to have me obsessed with it.
The thing I'm really surprised about is how much I enjoy the gear s2. It works really well with the phone. I had full intentions of selling it. Now it's part of my arsenal. Answering a call in the car while using it is definitely clutch.
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I switched from a Note 3 last month (VZW S7E Gold, pre-order, received March 9). I thought I would miss the larger screen, the stylus, IR blaster, but I'm liking it more than I thought I would. It just feels so much better in the hand and in my pocket. Even the screen is nicer to look at. The pictures, no comparison, so much better.
One thing I've noticed is the LACK of lag. I haven't restarted the phone in almost 2 full weeks and there's absolutely no lag whatsoever. My Note 3 would need a reboot every couple of days for a refresh due to lagginess. Now I'm trying to see how long I can go without a reboot. Battery life has been great. I use it to tether at work a lot (get around the work filter) so I can't speak for the screen-on time as the tethering uses a lot of the battery, but I did get over 4 hours SOT at one time. I did have the SD notification issue, but it went away on its own, hoping it doesn't come back. The kids and I have also been using the Gear VR and we all love it, no overheating issues, no bugs, it just works.
Other than the VR stuff, I have no games, mainly use it for internet, tethering, navigation/Android Auto, Samsung Pay (love that!), XDA, etc.
So other than the worry about the SD notification I have no down-side. I do travel a bit, for work and with the family, so that will be another test as I'm out and about around the country to see how it holds up, but I'm confident it's a keeper. At first I just got it to hold me over until the Note 6, but now I don't feel the need for the bigger screen anymore.
Edited to add: Forgot to mention, I was rooted and yes, xposed was nice and there are some modules I could use back, but nothing that makes me want to go back. The pros outweigh the cons for me.
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What is this notification you're talking about? Yeah I definitely wish I would have gone for the vr and phone deal but I missed it. Yeah rooting can sometimes be a huge pain to deal with.
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I've had it since March 9th (couple days before launch) and I absolutely love it. I do sometimes feel like there are a couple small cons, but by and large I love this phone. I came from a S6 previously and it's just different enough to have me obsessed with it.
The thing I'm really surprised about is how much I enjoy the gear s2. It works really well with the phone. I had full intentions of selling it. Now it's part of my arsenal. Answering a call in the car while using it is definitely clutch.
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Oh I see, I don't know if I would purchase the gear s2 but those are some good points. How is your battery after a month?
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What is this notification you're talking about? Yeah I definitely wish I would have gone for the vr and phone deal but I missed it. Yeah rooting can sometimes be a huge pain to deal with.
Oh I see, I don't know if I would purchase the gear s2 but those are some good points. How is your battery after a month?
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I got the gear s2 free (totally wouldn't have bought it either hahaha). The battery is superb. I'm a power user, forums, social media, websites, reddit, camera, camera, camera, etc. Lol
I usually take off the charger at 4 to 5am and only rarely make it to about 11pm with less than 10% know that's a YouTube, camera heavy day). Battery life is night and day to the S6.
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What is this notification you're talking about?
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There quite a number of posts about it. It's a persistent notification of the SD card being ready for photos and videos. It's apparently a regular mounting/dismounting issue, but no word/proof if it's hardware or software related. Very sporadic and hard to pinpoint the cause or solution. Mine just went away. Seems to be more prevalent on first batch models. Not much lately on it.
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Looking for people who have had it for a month+. Is it already lagging or getting any worse for you? What do you like or dislike about it? Currently using a 6p and I held an s7 edge and liked it a lot but I'm unsure if I want to purchase it.
Also if you switched from a 6p your opinion would be a huge deal breaker. I am rooted running pn and some xposed modules that I might potentially miss being on the s7 edge.
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Came from a 6p running PN and xposed as well and I have had the SGS7e for about a month. Being perfectly honest I haven't picked up my Nexus since then. I originally switched from the SGS6e to the 6p strictly because of the lack of development and rooting, swore I would never go back to Sammy, I still kind of hate them for allowing the carriers to bully them into locking down these phones but it is what is. Now after being able to do what I want for a while on my Nexus 6p, and loving it, I ran into the situation where I had to switch from AT&T to Verizon due to signal issues (I work in the hospital). I was able to get 2 SGS7e's on a BOGO deal so figured I'd give it a shot, and again haven't really looked back. Yes the TouchWiz interface still socks a bit, the lag is definitely a lot less now, hardly ever honestly, but still not like the 6p on PN... you just can't make that combo lag, always crisp and smooth! There are more adjustments/settings you can make to TouchWiz now so I don't totally miss exposed, but again everyone uses different modules so my experience may be different then yours, I mainly used exposed for visual tweaks etc... This phone will probably never see root so that is something I have to live with, but I will probably sell my 6p on Swappa and save the money towards the next nexus in case I get sick of no root. But for now the SGS7E works for me, I don't have a ton of time to root and tweak and figure out issues right now, the size is just right (the 6p is a tad bigger than I prefer), the interface is improved on the edge, more little niches to tinker with, the Camera is definitely better, and overall I just like using it better now. But again the 6p is no slouch, crisper/quicker/cleaner running for the most part and all the roms and tweaks you can ask for lol. Decisions, decisions lol its a great dilemma to be stuck in!!
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Came from a rooted S6, but I really only rooted it (and stopped updates) to manage the battery life and keep tethering. After having the S7 Edge for slightly less than a month, I can say I almost don't miss root. No, actually, I can't see a reason I *need* root on this phone. I'd do it if I could, but it's just not needed. I don't even run any of the disabling apps. I've manually turned off a few Verizon bloat apps though.
Lag is non-existent, battery life has settled nicely. I can get an entire day and then some, with about 4 hours screen time. I have the always on screen off, as I don't need a clock and that's pretty much all it's good for right now. I have Google Now voice off as well. Other than that I'm running all the usual battery hogs. I do have aggressive doze set in Greenify. I forgot to put the phone on the charger last night after a full day of use, including some photos, Facebook, some light gaming and a few phone calls. This morning I woke up and it still had 41%. I'm pretty happy.
This is also the lightest, most useful Touchwiz Samsung has ever done. I feel like it kind of improves stock Android, tbh.
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Came from a 6p running PN and xposed as well and I have had the SGS7e for about a month. Being perfectly honest I haven't picked up my Nexus since then. I originally switched from the SGS6e to the 6p strictly because of the lack of development and rooting, swore I would never go back to Sammy, I still kind of hate them for allowing the carriers to bully them into locking down these phones but it is what is. Now after being able to do what I want for a while on my Nexus 6p, and loving it, I ran into the situation where I had to switch from AT&T to Verizon due to signal issues (I work in the hospital). I was able to get 2 SGS7e's on a BOGO deal so figured I'd give it a shot, and again haven't really looked back. Yes the TouchWiz interface still socks a bit, the lag is definitely a lot less now, hardly ever honestly, but still not like the 6p on PN... you just can't make that combo lag, always crisp and smooth! There are more adjustments/settings you can make to TouchWiz now so I don't totally miss exposed, but again everyone uses different modules so my experience may be different then yours, I mainly used exposed for visual tweaks etc... This phone will probably never see root so that is something I have to live with, but I will probably sell my 6p on Swappa and save the money towards the next nexus in case I get sick of no root. But for now the SGS7E works for me, I don't have a ton of time to root and tweak and figure out issues right now, the size is just right (the 6p is a tad bigger than I prefer), the interface is improved on the edge, more little niches to tinker with, the Camera is definitely better, and overall I just like using it better now. But again the 6p is no slouch, crisper/quicker/cleaner running for the most part and all the roms and tweaks you can ask for lol. Decisions, decisions lol its a great dilemma to be stuck in!!
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Yeah definitely I really hard decision. I may try to find one on swappa if the price is right.
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Came from a rooted S6, but I really only rooted it (and stopped updates) to manage the battery life and keep tethering. After having the S7 Edge for slightly less than a month, I can say I almost don't miss root. No, actually, I can't see a reason I *need* root on this phone. I'd do it if I could, but it's just not needed. I don't even run any of the disabling apps. I've manually turned off a few Verizon bloat apps though.
Lag is non-existent, battery life has settled nicely. I can get an entire day and then some, with about 4 hours screen time. I have the always on screen off, as I don't need a clock and that's pretty much all it's good for right now. I have Google Now voice off as well. Other than that I'm running all the usual battery hogs. I do have aggressive doze set in Greenify. I forgot to put the phone on the charger last night after a full day of use, including some photos, Facebook, some light gaming and a few phone calls. This morning I woke up and it still had 41%. I'm pretty happy.
This is also the lightest, most useful Touchwiz Samsung has ever done. I feel like it kind of improves stock Android, tbh.
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Can you still tether? I have unlimited and that's the main reason I like to root.
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kench33 said:
Yeah definitely I really hard decision. I may try to find one on swappa if the price is right.
Can you still tether? I have unlimited and that's the main reason I like to root.
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I just downloaded the free FoxFi, went through the install and tethered my laptop to respond. So yes, it works!
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I just downloaded the free FoxFi, went through the install and tethered my laptop to respond. So yes, it works!
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You have unlimited data too or a gb plan?
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Came from a rooted S6, but I really only rooted it (and stopped updates) to manage the battery life and keep tethering. After having the S7 Edge for slightly less than a month, I can say I almost don't miss root. No, actually, I can't see a reason I *need* root on this phone. I'd do it if I could, but it's just not needed. I don't even run any of the disabling apps. I've manually turned off a few Verizon bloat apps though.
Lag is non-existent, battery life has settled nicely. I can get an entire day and then some, with about 4 hours screen time. I have the always on screen off, as I don't need a clock and that's pretty much all it's good for right now. I have Google Now voice off as well. Other than that I'm running all the usual battery hogs. I do have aggressive doze set in Greenify. I forgot to put the phone on the charger last night after a full day of use, including some photos, Facebook, some light gaming and a few phone calls. This morning I woke up and it still had 41%. I'm pretty happy.
This is also the lightest, most useful Touchwiz Samsung has ever done. I feel like it kind of improves stock Android, tbh.
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Your last sentence is something that strikes a tone with me. I think some android fans find it popular to spew touch wiz hate. I get it, look at my signature, I've been with Android since Nexus and stock were one in the same.
Vanilla Android is fast and clean and beautiful. Buy by no means is it perfect or the best user experience.
TouchWiz is not perfect, it's not better or worse. It just has some enhancements that I think people always neglect. Samsung was supporting USB OTG and had split screen multitasking before anyone. Now it will finally be in Android. That's just one example. My point is this phone gets to that final level that a skinned phone can match or really surpass a Nexus in functionality, despite the popular concensus. It's a stellar phone, not just hype.
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You have unlimited data too or a gb plan?
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I gave up unlimited when I realized that we just weren't using more than 2-3GB a month, like, ever. I was paying a lot for something I just never used. I took the money and upgraded my home internet instead, where I use more data than freaking Google
h3ck said:
Your last sentence is something that strikes a tone with me. I think some android fans find it popular to spew touch wiz hate. I get it, look at my signature, I've been with Android since Nexus and stock were one in the same.
Vanilla Android is fast and clean and beautiful. Buy by no means is it perfect or the best user experience.
TouchWiz is not perfect, it's not better or worse. It just has some enhancements that I think people always neglect. Samsung was supporting USB OTG and had split screen multitasking before anyone. Now it will finally be in Android. That's just one example. My point is this phone gets to that final level that a skinned phone can match or really surpass a Nexus in functionality, despite the popular concensus. It's a stellar phone, not just hype.
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Totally agree. It's the very first time since the OG Droid that I am 99.975% okay without root. I'd love to be able to write to the hosts file and not use one of the VPN-style ad blockers. That is the one thing I miss now. And I'm not even that bothered by the ads.
Really love this phone.
I have this edge and g5. G5 way smoother s7edge lags
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I gave up unlimited when I realized that we just weren't using more than 2-3GB a month, like, ever. I was paying a lot for something I just never used. I took the money and upgraded my home internet instead, where I use more data than freaking Google
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You could've sold the UDP for 700
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Rootuser3.0 said:
You could've sold the UDP for 700
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Literally didn't know what you meant until I looked it up. Wow. Did I miss out on a chunk of cash. Wish I'd have read about this before I did it.
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Literally didn't know what you meant until I looked it up. Wow. Did I miss out on a chunk of cash. Wish I'd have read about this before I did it.
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Yes it's called an AOL (assumption of liability) someone pays you whatever amount you want to sell the plan for and you both call in and they assume the contract and or line. They must pass the credit check of course and Verizon has their own AOL department
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Phone sucks
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Ironically enough, I'm in the same exact boat. Work IS in a hospital, so I can't do AT&T around here. I'm just really missing root for true AD-blocking and ViperFX.
MArtyChubbs said:
Phone sucks
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It is? Like a vacuum? Must be nice, mine only phones.
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Concerns? Dislikes? Buyer's Remorse?

Anyone disappointed in a few things like I am?
1. Regardless of how you feel, Verizon removing things and adding even more bloatware is beyond nasty. It's low.
2. The battery life is average at best.
3. There is lags. It's there. Apps open slow, typical Samsung UI stuff. It'll never change.
4. I just don't like the edge. It offers nothing and makes hitting a button close to it awkward. Not to mention cases are just bleh due to trying to fit around it.
5. The S-pen has a smaller tip, but I find it less responsive than it used to be.
6. New theme store is meh. Themes I purchased on my s6 aren't there. I think this feature will improve though.
I like the phone, but it definitely doesn't wow me like the Note 3 and Note 4.
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I am having way better battery life on the Note 7 than my Galaxy 7. I haven't noticed any lag. I agree, the "edge" is a gimmick.
Biggest issue: No AdBlock. Jesus, how do people use the internet without adblock
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I am having way better battery life on the Note 7 than my Galaxy 7. I haven't noticed any lag. I agree, the "edge" is a gimmick.
Biggest issue: No AdBlock. Jesus, how do people use the internet without adblock
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You should use Samsung's browser and use the adblock extension. It is amazing.
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I am having way better battery life on the Note 7 than my Galaxy 7. I haven't noticed any lag. I agree, the "edge" is a gimmick.
Biggest issue: No AdBlock. Jesus, how do people use the internet without adblock
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I might have to get rid of it for that. Hope it gets root, dont care about the bootloader. Can't live with the endless ads in apps
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You should use Samsung's browser and use the adblock extension. It is amazing.
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I have but other apps have ads etc.
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I have but other apps have ads etc.
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I use Adgaurd on my note 5. Plan on using it on the Note 7 if i go for it. Works great. On the web and on apps.
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I use Adgaurd on my note 5. Plan on using it on the Note 7 if i go for it. Works great. On the web and on apps.
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I use Adguard on occasion as it sometimes bogs down the phone. Love/hate relationship with it.
Well, I get way better battery life than any phone I've ever owned. I end almost every day at 50% and I used to charge by 6pm. Apps open faster than any phone I've ever had and have no lag so far. I love the edge for quick weather and sports scores. I don't love finding a screen protector and case that play nice together. The s-pen seems WAY better to me. I don't use the theme store so I can't comment there. So far, I adore this phone.
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Apparently you guys have never had a Nexus. This phone is good, but it does have lag issues that it just shouldn't have in 2016.
And when I say edge, I dont mean edges apps. You don't need to have an edge screen to use the apps you mentioned. They would work just fine if not better on a flat screen like the quick tools Samsung used to use
Not being a jerk, but every phone that gets released, people make wild claims like " 8 day battery life, fastest phone in the world" blah blah. To be fair, there is always someone who makes a thread like this as well. I'm that someone this time.
I like the phone, but it really isn't the holy grail it was made out to be... I feel like it needs an update to clean some stuff up
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I like the phone but I don't think it's a huge upgrade over my s7e. I think I'm going to return it and just keep my s7e. Kind of sick of Verizon for removing helpful features from this phone that were meant to be there.
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Apparently you guys have never had a Nexus. This phone is good, but it does have lag issues that it just shouldn't have in 2016.
And when I say edge, I dont mean edges apps. You don't need to have an edge screen to use the apps you mentioned. They would work just fine if not better on a flat screen like the quick tools Samsung used to use
Not being a jerk, but every phone that gets released, people make wild claims like " 8 day battery life, fastest phone in the world" blah blah. To be fair, there is always someone who makes a thread like this as well. I'm that someone this time.
I like the phone, but it really isn't the holy grail it was made out to be... I feel like it needs an update to clean some stuff up
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Had a Nexus 6. This blows the doors off of it speed wise. I can actually open the camera and take a picture, answer a phone call, and not have the unlock screen take about 15 seconds to actually unlock.
Makes me wonder if I had a bad device all along. It wasn't like that at first though. Somewhere after 6.0 it slowed down and never recovered regardless of factory resetting.
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Concerns:
Future updates, but I knew what I was getting into.
The durability of GG5, but the whole issue may be overblown...time will tell.
Dislikes:
The screen protector I bought. There is already dust under it. Not to mention it must have lifted off the center, as I miss keys all the time. I will sit tight for a while on it and see what else comes out over the next month or so.
Samsung Keyboard - I like Google Keyboard for typing, Samsung S-Pen input for writing, and Google Voice Keyboard. No way to get this combo easily.
Price was steep for this phone, but you get what you pay for. I wanted premium, and got premium.
Buyer's Remorse
Nope. None.
I miss the Ascending Ringtone Volume setting. I can't find it in VZN Note 7. All the good basic ring tones are gone, too.
Someone PLEASE unlock the boot loader on this phone.
Really wasn't expecting to see the different ui was actually looking forward to the new one as this phone was supposed to have the grace ui , so very disappointed in that as it was a feature that was a factor in my buying it its more or less the s7 rebuilt as a note with edge panels, so Im annoyed there. I also don't like the fact that I had to make a custom shortcut for the Samsung cloud service when that was also a feature which was a deciding factor for getting this phone , all in all don't get me wrong the phone is beautiful it runs like a dream its screen is fantastic etc. but I really disagree with the feature removal , the device maintenance app , and the difference in ui these are things that were supposed to make this phone unique and there not there , I mean I really like it but im annoyed at the same time if that makes sense lol. What really sucks is I gave my s7 to my wife and shes ecstatic about it so I cant really return it now cause shes now one with the s7. That and i traded in her old phone.
I agree DBCAB. I don't know what is different in the UI aside from a slightly different settings menu. Is there more?
I am also sick of Verizon. There is just no other carrier with a signal here. They're the reason I went Nexus and tried an iPhone. You never know what features they're going to remove or bloat they're going to force when it comes the all other Android phones.
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I'm not thrilled about Verizon, the way they tamper with what is already a somewhat compromised ROM is vile. Their latest security update had crapware in it. What more can you say?
The phone is amazing, imo. It absolutely kills the Note 4 which I had, it's not even comparable. I'm using a Nexus 6P, I swore on all that is holy I would never use a locked up Samsung phone again and I can barely put this down. It looks better than any phone I've ever seen, the software is actually...dare I say it, useful? Even the damn iris scanner works well. It's not laggy (yet), and I'm getting better battery than my Nexus. I missed the stylus. I don't know if I can bear a locked down phone, but this is the only one I've tried that makes me think about it A LOT.
My only dislike is how gdamn hard I have to work against Verizon and Samsung to get the most out of it. Sneaking to get Samsung Cloud, downloading an older, superior version of SNote with full capability (wtf is that about?!). Otherwise, wow, quite a phone and I was prepared to hate it loudly.
PsiPhiDan said:
Well, I get way better battery life than any phone I've ever owned. I end almost every day at 50% and I used to charge by 6pm. Apps open faster than any phone I've ever had and have no lag so far. I love the edge for quick weather and sports scores. I don't love finding a screen protector and case that play nice together. The s-pen seems WAY better to me. I don't use the theme store so I can't comment there. So far, I adore this phone.
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What are you using for sports scores?
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What are you using for sports scores?
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Just the standard yahoo sports one. When you click on the little gear symbol to customize the edge screens you want, Yahoo is literally the first one I can select. It's pretty basic but I like it for my baseball scores at a glance.
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The $900 price tag got to me along with the edge screen so I returned mine for a Galaxy J3 lol. Seriously the Note 7 is nice but between what Verizon dose and the limited choice of screen protectors that stick and cases that do not peal them off made me return the device. I'm looking to ditch Verizon all together so I opted for the cheapest smartphone they had in stock to fulfill my device payment agreement. Surprisingly the J3 isn't all that bad for what I do on the phone.
Misterxtc said:
The $900 price tag got to me along with the edge screen so I returned mine for a Galaxy J3 lol. Seriously the Note 7 is nice but between what Verizon dose and the limited choice of screen protectors that stick and cases that do not peal them off made me return the device. I'm looking to ditch Verizon all together so I opted for the cheapest smartphone they had in stock to fulfill my device payment agreement. Surprisingly the J3 isn't all that bad for what I do on the phone.
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I wouldn't expect early cases and screen protectors to be perfect til people got a chance to beat on them. I still ordered them though and just got them in today, at least get some protection.
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I wouldn't expect early cases and screen protectors to be perfect til people got a chance to beat on them. I still ordered them though and just got them in today, at least get some protection.
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It's going to be the same as the S7 Edge I just traded in. Not too many choices.

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