Yesterday I went to theconcert of Keep Floyding (local Pink Floyd tribute band. btw, they're very, very good) and recorded few songs. Luckily I've tested sound quality during brake and it was terrible!
When I discovered solution for hiss sound, I thought that is going to happen in loud environment as concerts. During the concert I tried to tweak snd_soc_msm_2x and found that deleting 'DEC3 Volume':1:85 and 'DEC4 Volume':1:85 gave me acceptable sound quality. But without deleting 'ADC3 Volume':1:0 and 'ADC4 Volume':1:0, every next records was without sound at all. Of course that make sense.
Today, I continued my investigation and figured out that with deleted four lines mentioned above camcorder will not record sound after phone call. Reboot was only solution. Further investigation showed me that 'DEC3 Volume' or 'DEC4 Volume' doesn't exist in JB snd_soc_msm_2x at all. So I tried to delete those lines completely from snd_soc_msm_2x in CM11. Tested video recording, phone call (even I'm in roaming) and looks like that everything works. Not sure, but even hiss sound during call is gone. Obviously xt92x handles sound differently than other moto_msm8960 devices and we cannot use the same settings.
Looking forward for concert next week with several snd_soc_msm_2x prepared.
Video recorded with 'DEC3 Volume':1:85 and 'DEC4 Volume':1:85
Video recorded without 'DEC3 Volume':1:85 and 'DEC4 Volume':1:85
snd_soc_msm_2x without 'DEC3 Volume'and 'DEC4 Volume'
Disadvantage is that recorded sound is not that loud as with deleted lines. Original snd_soc_msm_2x has several setting for different environment. Maybe devs can add ability to change that in settings.
Please test it. Just replace snd_soc_msm_2x in /system/etc/snd_soc_msm/. Any suggestions or better solutions are welcome
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Obviously xt92x handles sound differently than other moto_msm8960 devices and we cannot use the same settings.
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No, not at all. DECx volumes are not changed from the default 67 value on any stock moto_msm8960 device, xt92x is nothing special in this regard.
The decimator volume handling was introduced in CM so we could somehow compensate a missing post-processing done for camcorder recordings by the proprietary stock audio HAL.
The goal was to increase the volume of recordings to be closer to stock while using the open source qcom audio HAL.
It just gives us another level of flexibility, so we can use the increased or decreased volume levels for different cases, as needed.
If you'd change the camcorder DECx volumes to 67 from the currently used 85, the effect for the camcorder case would be the same as the removal of all the decimator volume handling from snd_soc_msm_2x that you've done.
The currently used 85 value is indeed open for discussion and can be changed to fit our goals best.
Yesterday I spent a lot of time changing, rebooting, testing, etc. Are you sure that effect would be the same with 67 as with deleting? Maybe no value means microphone auto sensitivity. How do you explain that DECx value doesn't exist in JB snd_soc_msm_2x for xt926 at all? Probably because of the proprietary stock audio HAL.
I have just looked into kk snd_soc_msm_2x and DEC3 Volume shows up only once under Camcorder Tx section with value 76. In CM11 shows up 6 times under several sections, some not related to camcorder. That's why I've got silent record after phone call.
I would really appreciate contribution and testing on xt92x devices instead of claiming that xt92x is nothing special in this regard when MICBIAS confirmed that is
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Are you sure that effect would be the same with 67 as with deleting?
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Yes. (Well, the default may actually be 68, not 67, but the difference is negligible.)
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Maybe no value means microphone auto sensitivity.
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No. The microphone sensitivity is controlled by the ADCx Volume directive. The decimator volume changes happen further down in the chain, in the digital domain already.
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How do you explain that DECx value doesn't exist in JB snd_soc_msm_2x for xt926 at all? Probably because of the proprietary stock audio HAL.
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I've already tried to explain that.
The decimator volumes are not changed from the default (67) in JB stock snd_soc_msm_2x for any moto msm8960 2012 device. Not for xt926, xt925, xt897, xt907, xt905, xt901 nor for mb886.
We've introduced it in CM to be able to increase the recording volume for specific use cases, e.g. camcorder.
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I have just looked into kk snd_soc_msm_2x and DEC3 Volume shows up only once under Camcorder Tx section with value 76. In CM11 shows up 6 times under several sections, some not related to camcorder. That's why I've got silent record after phone call.
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The decimator volume handling we've introduced in CM means that DEC3/4 Volume is set to a custom level in every enable sequence of all use cases that make use of decimator 3 or 4 and set to zero in every disable sequence of those use cases.
If you remove the decimator volume initialization in enable sequence for just one specific use case, it's not surprising that you'll get a mute recording when it follows a use case that ended its session by setting DEC3/DEC4 volume to zero in its disable sequence.
What else would you expect?
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I would really appreciate contribution and testing on xt92x devices instead of claiming that xt92x is nothing special in this regard when MICBIAS confirmed that is
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How has the MICBIAS issue (a Motorola hack in audio HAL to use different use case definitions on different devices - CAP vs. non-CAP - that has been missed by us till you stepped in with your observations) confirmed that xt92x devices are special in regard to a simple decimator volume setting?
You still don't seem to understand how the micbias issue happened. The main reason why we've missed it was the fact that the snd_soc_msm_2x files in stock JB releases by Motorola were identical for all moto-msm8960 devices. It was a hacky unification of builds done by Motorola. Btw., in KitKat release, Motorola removed the hack and snd_soc_msm_2x of xt926 and xt907 KitKat builds now differs in the micbias settings...
As I described in the first post, I know that without deleting settings in disable sequence will give mute recordings. I was editing file in the middle of the concert.
First you claim that DECx volumes are not changed from the default (67) in JB stock for any moto devices although I gave you a link to stock file without that at all. Then you wrote that the decimator volume handling is introduced in CM. What's then correct at the end?
When I suggested MICBIAS solution it was so hard to convince you that really removes hiss noise although I gave samples the same as now. As far as I know, you don't have xt92x device and you cannot test it and be completely sure.
I really appreciate your and everyone's work and contribution and would be nice if you can appreciate mine.
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First you claim that DECx volumes are not changed from the default (67) in JB stock for any moto devices although I gave you a link to stock file without that at all. Then you wrote that the decimator volume handling is introduced in CM. What's then correct at the end?
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There's no contradiction.
You are putting sentences that are in agreement to opposition, using the "although" word.
Sorry, I'm lost. I don't understand why you don't understand.
I'm pretty sure, you understand my point but looks like that is pointless for me to continue. Like before, you're pushing settings which work for your kind of the device without testing on another. The same as volumes for different (loud) environment. Now when finally someone (me), trying to contribute and improve settings for xt92x (which I have and can test), is getting to be underestimated and rejected. Completely opposite of the open source community.
Anyway, please don't answer me here anymore.
For others, still interested to test (maybe CWGSM3VO can create flashable zip again?). Please test it and post your suggestions so we can ask maintainers (probably the same guy above ) of unified rom to incorporate into the next build. There is snd_soc_msm_2x xt92x already, so hopefully shouldn't be big problem.
If no one is interested, well, I'll find optimal solution for myself and enjoy in clear camcorder sound without hiss or distortion
P.S.
Of course, I'll share that as I always do.
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Recorded with Tapemachine. Same conditions, same audio source, same settings... The only difference is hardware autogain control enabled on first sample, and disabled on the second one
How to disable it during video recording? No idea yet
that's a good improvement,maybe supercurio knows how to do it.that would be awesome for a good video recordings.
At least we now know the problem. Very good work.
Hmm i am really waithing for this fix. recording is HD is quite cool and good quality but its useless because the sound always go's bad because its recorded to loud.
New info:
AudioHardwareInterface: AudioHardwareBase::setParamenters(downgain=0)
That's how Tapemachine switch off hardware auto-gain
And auto-gain off seems only to work with mic set to front (AudioSource: VOICE_RECOGNITION)
Thanks to aLogcat app
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New info:
AudioHardwareInterface: AudioHardwareBase::setParamenters(downgain=0)
That's how Tapemachine switch off hardware auto-gain
And auto-gain off seems only to work with mic set to front (AudioSource: VOICE_RECOGNITION)
Thanks to aLogcat app
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hohoho. Now we just need someone with the knowledge to do that. Thanks rafalense for find out this
Don't forget that it needs those settings to be optimised for audio calls. Most likely, with theses settings, while in call, the audio will catch more of the surrounding than the vocal itself.`
So the best way for this to works would be to make an apps that does the command then goes dormant. Then you can record whatever and, when done, disable and close the dormant app (kinda like TrackerBooster)
BTW, don't forget that you're recording with a crappy built in microphone from a smartphone. I'll try to do the same with an external microphone to see.
I own both the Galaxy S and the Samsung Wave s8500.... And, i gotta say, that the Wave has MUCH better sound when recording video at 720p + Its much better synced with the actual video... Maybe you could look at the Wave and how i manages sound? It has the Bada OS (unfortunately)
Hi !
That's something I'll fix soon using hardware auto-gain.
For now I'm working on a jitter issue and the gain is the next one in the TODO list
As the jitter one is quite difficult I cannot give ETA yet
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Hi !
That's something I'll fix soon using hardware auto-gain.
For now I'm working on a jitter issue and the gain is the next one in the TODO list
As the jitter one is quite difficult I cannot give ETA yet
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Thanks a lot, supercurio, without you, our galaxy wouldn't be as good as it is.
any updates on this item yet? this would make recording video's so much better.
Try this kernel, mic gain issue seems to be solved, plus other sound improvements:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822756
Also, follow Supercurio. Headphone & FM Radio improvements already done, currently busy with mic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=806195
I'm busy moddifying stock camera, in order to increase samplerate and bitrate. Updates to come
Great efforts by the members of xda, REALLY.
The idiots at Sam**** should have sorted this out though.
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Try this kernel, mic gain issue seems to be solved, plus other sound improvements:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822756
Also, follow Supercurio. Headphone & FM Radio improvements already done, currently busy with mic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=806195
I'm busy moddifying stock camera, in order to increase samplerate and bitrate. Updates to come
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video bitrate is already quite high but higher audio bitrate might be a good improvement
Hardware is able to record @48000 and around 256Kbps, but video and audio are out-of-sync
My guess, something coded wrong in the driver, so lets see if voodoo sound new kernel fixes it, and then we will record hd video with hd audio as well
A did a test for you minutes ago, check audio info:
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Try this kernel, mic gain issue seems to be solved, plus other sound improvements:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822756
Also, follow Supercurio. Headphone & FM Radio improvements already done, currently busy with mic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=806195
I'm busy moddifying stock camera, in order to increase samplerate and bitrate. Updates to come
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why do you think this fixes it.. from my readings that kernel does not muck with video recording rates or microphone gain...
Hardcores K12L?
Check yourself. I did, and mic distortion is reduced considerably
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Hardware is able to record @48000 and around 256Kbps, but video and audio are out-of-sync
My guess, something coded wrong in the driver, so lets see if voodoo sound new kernel fixes it, and then we will record hd video with hd audio as well
A did a test for you minutes ago, check audio info:
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I would recommend trying 44100Hz.
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I would recommend trying 44100Hz.
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Also possible:
16000 - 22050 - 24000 - 32000 - 44100 - 48000 tested
How can you get the camera app to record at 44.1KHz?
Edit: Got it. Weird though, even though it's 44.1KHz, the cutoff frequency is 12.0KHz instead of 22.050KHz. Not much improvement over 8KHz cutoff, but better than nothing.
So after about an hour and a half of searching XDA and Google I have yet to find a resolution that doesn't involve me opening up my phone and cutting the rubber around my microphone. Allow me to explain.
Since I can remember - I got my S4 in December of last year - I've had problems with people hearing me, low record volumes and so on. I rooted and modded my phone almost immediately after receiving it and never really had the chance to test on stock TW, but this problem has persisted at *least* since I switched to KitKat about 2 months before it was pushed OTA via Carbon, Pac ROM, and Vanir. I have made it a regular habit of removing any DSP/preinstalled audio software and using Viper4A, but I was hoping to get some sort of lead before I flashed again, revert to stock TW, or took apart my phone. EDIT: I still have the exact same issue without V4A installed and using stock DSP/settings.
This problem was reported fairly commonly with the SII and the Nexus 4, but the methods I have tried to solve the situation (*#*#197328640#*#*; Trickster Mod, no physical blockage, mixer_paths.xml does not exist...) have yielded no results. I tested with TeamSpeak and Zello's outbound transmit volume and there's a dramatic difference, but how to adjust this on a system-wide level still eludes me. Google Now, Sound Recorder, SoundHound and other apps have difficulty with any sort of recognition even in ideal settings (eg. quiet environments). I had to virtually yell to set up Google Now's "Ok, Google" system-wide feature requiring me to hold the device at arm's length.
I'm posting because I haven't seen any issues of this nature reported for the S4. Could anyone point me in the right direction? Kernel tweaks? File modification I'm missing? Anything?
Bump. I still have not been able to find a resolution to this issue.
I suppose the problem exists for all 5.0.2 versions that have been released so far. Obviously I didn’t check all of them by myself, only the versions without operator customization (Central Europe, Nordic Combined, etc.).
The usage of headphones profiles in the sound settings is impossible. Those profiles shift automatically (I guess they reset to the general profile) while changing a track (I noticed this doesn’t happen always and what is most odd, always when I come back to the previous track, the profile resets) doesn’t matter if I’m using Walkman, Spotify or Deezer. Additionally, when I choose a random profile, its settings is random as well (for example settings for MH1C is not always available under MH1C, it changes randomly during such reset) it’s hearable when changing a profile while listening to some track. It’s a total mess.
The other thing is a bug in system keyboard. Probably it’s a matter of the language chosen (I chose polish)- didn’t check that though. When the keyboard is extended and I click on a word which I want to edit, the cursor moves to the end of the word, and it’s necessary to tap on the word again to cause the cursor stay where I want it. Is this a new functionality of Lollipop? It didn’t appear in KitKat.
Do you have some suggestions how those issues. Is somebody going to report them to Sony? Maybe some version that isn’t affected.
If you have Root, installing Viper should eliminate this.
No, I do not use root, and I think I do not need it.
But this is a workaround. I think, that stock music settings are great so I want to use it on LP too, not only on KK. I love LP design, functionality and all of it features. Now I must use KK again cause of this stupid problems...
Someone noticed this issues? On Z3C, or Z3?
Maybe some root workaround, without installing other music settings?
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The usage of headphones profiles in the sound settings is impossible. Those profiles shift automatically (I guess they reset to the general profile) while changing a track (I noticed this doesn’t happen always and what is most odd, always when I come back to the previous track, the profile resets) doesn’t matter if I’m using Walkman, Spotify or Deezer. Additionally, when I choose a random profile, its settings is random as well (for example settings for MH1C is not always available under MH1C, it changes randomly during such reset) it’s hearable when changing a profile while listening to some track. It’s a total mess.
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You are right, I noticed this issue too. Profile switching is inconsistent. Also, audio effects aren't applied automatically on tracks, you need to disable-reenabled them in Sound Effects menu, and do that for each new track (not always, like you said). The Sony SW Audio Effects are basically broken.
So what we can do with it? I really want to use Lollipop again, but I need music app and sound quality working flawless to be satisfied.... Maybe some root solution? Someone, please?
Also this is strange that there are only two of us, who cares about this issue. On the biggest android forum in the world... Sony Z3C audio quality is superb - I does not believe that there are no persons who uses their phones to listen music in great audio quality... I don't want to change my earphones only because it is not playing as good as it should on general audio settings. XBA-3 are great and sounds brilliant on MH1C profile. So I NEED IT to work on Lollipop!
Where are you, guys? Any support is needed asap!
I have an MH1c and the profile is useless for me now :'(
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I recognize the edit issueon my lollipop. When placing the cursor in the middle of a word, it jumps to the end when you start typing. Very annoying :|
I don't use headphones profiles, so can't help in this regard.
Checked the edit function. First - it's specific to the system keyboard, second - it has a very consistent behavior, which leads me to believe that it's not a bug, but a feature. First press on the word is not for editing it, but rather for replacing it from a set of auto-completion options shown when you type - the same set shows up when you press the word after it's already typed. The second press is getting you to editing the word letter-by-letter. I've tried changing the autocorrect options, and when auto-completion suggestions are completely disabled - this feature is disabled too.
It can actually be useful in its current form, though I can definitely understand the need to have a switch to get it disabled without disabling auto-completion suggestions.
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I don't use headphones profiles, so can't help in this regard.
Checked the edit function. First - it's specific to the system keyboard, second - it has a very consistent behavior, which leads me to believe that it's not a bug, but a feature. First press on the word is not for editing it, but rather for replacing it from a set of auto-completion options shown when you type - the same set shows up when you press the word after it's already typed. The second press is getting you to editing the word letter-by-letter. I've tried changing the autocorrect options, and when auto-completion suggestions are completely disabled - this feature is disabled too.
It can actually be useful in its current form, though I can definitely understand the need to have a switch to get it disabled without disabling auto-completion suggestions.
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You mean feature of Xperia Keybord on Lollipop? Lollipop has different version of keyboard than KitKat? Can someone check this? On KK I've got 6.4.A.1.54 Xperia Keyboard. I am curious, if there is different version of keyboard on LP - is there a possibility to install keyboard from KK (without root) and will "the bug" still be present?
This thing - as a "feature" - is something doesn't make sense. On KK you can also change typed word to other from suggestions and - at the same time - you can edit if from where you tap it. Why the hell user has to touch the word again?
Not sure why, but I don't use a system keyboard - I use Smart Keyboard Pro. This "feature" isn't a part of the OS - it only happens when working with Xperia keyboard, with a custom keyboard it isn't happening.
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So what we can do with it? I really want to use Lollipop again, but I need music app and sound quality working flawless to be satisfied.... Maybe some root solution? Someone, please?
Also this is strange that there are only two of us, who cares about this issue. On the biggest android forum in the world... Sony Z3C audio quality is superb - I does not believe that there are no persons who uses their phones to listen music in great audio quality... I don't want to change my earphones only because it is not playing as good as it should on general audio settings. XBA-3 are great and sounds brilliant on MH1C profile. So I NEED IT to work on Lollipop!
Where are you, guys? Any support is needed asap!
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While I agree with you that this is an issue, and if they have the functionality available it SHOULD be working as intended...
If you care about audio fidelity so much, you shouldn't be using an equalizer in the first place, you should buy good headphones, that have been correctly tuned -- either to produce the correct sound or to produce the frequency response you most like. On the fly software equalization is never the answer.
Most people don't care about the issue so much, and audiophiles will have the correct equipment. That's why no one else seems upset at this.
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As for the keyboard, it is most certainly the way sony designed this new keyboard to work. It's not an defect, it's how it works. Try google keyboard, swiftkey, fleksy. I've used all of they and any one is far superior to the xperia keyboard -- the beauty of android is that you can customize what you don't like.
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While I agree with you that this is an issue, and if they have the functionality available it SHOULD be working as intended...
If you care about audio fidelity so much, you shouldn't be using an equalizer in the first place, you should buy good headphones, that have been correctly tuned -- either to produce the correct sound or to produce the frequency response you most like. On the fly software equalization is never the answer.
Most people don't care about the issue so much, and audiophiles will have the correct equipment. That's why no one else seems upset at this.
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Believe me, I am know what I am doing and what I am using.
My headphones works good with Z3C on general profile and without any equalizations (by the way, Z3C has great audio quality, very simillar to eg. Sony ZX1 or Sony A15 audio players). But with MH1C profile works greater than good - it is sounds excellent. This is not an equipment issue thread.
No Xloud, Decreased overall loudness/Volumes.
I am also getting Sound Problems after the Lollipop Update.
1. The Xloud Feature has disappeared from the sound settings and playing music through internal speakers is so terrible, makes sound like coming from a very cheap phone.
2. The loudness has decreased a lot now. I think that Sony have changed the volume levels. I remember that in kitkat volume at lvl 1 was high enough to be audible easily and at max volume, it was pretty high, but now the volume at the minimum level is barely heard even through headpones. The sound i am getting now at max level in LP was at a level less volume in KK.
3. Yes, there is headphones selection problem now in LP, but you can just get the type of sound you need be selecting different ones. For example, if you want to listen to sound for Noice Cancellation headphones, then select those and then select any other to get the NC sound exactly same which came in KitKat firmware. The fact is that you will get the audio type which headphones you have selected previously.
Rest I am not getting any major issue.
even my friend who has xperia Z2 have same problems. I think Sony have used same basics for all lollipop updates.
If the stock eq isn't behaving, replace it with Viper:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191223
No, there is no problem with equaliser. Is there something to increase volume level.
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I added a thread about audio issues on Sony official support forum, available there:
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Software-Updates/Z3-Compact-5-0-2-Lollipop-headphone-profiles-and-music-settings/m-p/982108#U982108
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No, there is no problem with equaliser. Is there something to increase volume level.
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Viper can up volume, as well. It's not as good as a dedicated headphone/dac would be, but it definitely does the job.
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I am also getting Sound Problems after the Lollipop Update.
3. Yes, there is headphones selection problem now in LP, but you can just get the type of sound you need be selecting different ones. For example, if you want to listen to sound for Noice Cancellation headphones, then select those and then select any other to get the NC sound exactly same which came in KitKat firmware. The fact is that you will get the audio type which headphones you have selected previously.
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You mean, that If I chose MH1c profile, change it to another and save settings (go back) - while listening music it will automatically change back to MH1c setting? Not some random profile, or general profile?
The selection does not change, but the sound becomes as that of general headphones profile. I have even updated firmware to 23.1.A.1.28 but still all tge sound issues are there. Maybe in future firmware they will fix it.
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Meh, all hope is gone....
I assume is there a way to manualy get similar to MH1C sound using only equalizer...
I haven't been using the default music app because randomly it does an action after a while of playback, pretty much every few minutes; back, forward, pause, whatever, it random action just randomly happens. I've wondered if I somehow accidentally used some sort of gesture or touched the screen, but it happens when the screen is off as well and there doesn't seem to be any gesture that would affect the music app anyway. Does anyone have any idea what can be causing this?
I've been using PowerAmp which doesn't seem to support the A7's DAC. I have it set to 24 bit sound in the last Alpha of PowerAmp (which was many months ago, I've given up on any update for PowerAmp ever arriving) but after side by side sample comparisons they do sound different. The problem is I'm not sure if there's a slight volume difference between programs causing that, or if it's some setting, or if it really is due to the output being done on different DACs resulting in the differences. Pocket Now's video stating it only outputs 16 bit downsampled audio has also stuck in my mind, but despite contacting them twice on different social media, they never responded. That's infuriating, making a bold statement like that, then never providing an explanation and leaving it ambiguous, never stating if the downsampling was at software level, firmware level, or anything.
So I basically have no idea what the hell is going on with the audio on this thing in any way, from software to hardware. That's incredibly frustrating considering the DAC is a major reason why I bought this phone instead of something else.
Edit: I forgot to ask, what software should I use to confirm what sort of bit rate depth the Axon 7 is outputting? I have a Sound Blaster ZxR for recording, so I can plug the A7 right into that.
I can't tell you how to test the depth of the audio coming from the cell. If you can't tell the difference is there any real point? It it just a matter of wanting the product you thought you were paying for?
For the other issue, a really simple thing you've probably done already is checking that ZTE's voice software isn't enabled for media control. An old S4 of mine would go "back" any time a sound remotely like a short "a" played.
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I can't tell you how to test the depth of the audio coming from the cell. If you can't tell the difference is there any real point? It it just a matter of wanting the product you thought you were paying for?
For the other issue, a really simple thing you've probably done already is checking that ZTE's voice software isn't enabled for media control. An old S4 of mine would go "back" any time a sound remotely like a short "a" played.
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I can tell a difference, on the default music player it sounds better, for example instruments sound more crisp and separated from the rest of the audio. The issue is that I can't tell if that perception of more crisp/separated sound is due to a slight difference of volume between programs which is difficult to perceive. Just to add to the confusion, different songs seem to have different volume levels on each player, which aren't consistent. For example song A may be louder on PowerAmp, but song B is louder on the stock player. In those cases where the songs are clearly different volumes (maybe 10% of the time) it makes it extremely difficult to tell which one sounds better to me. This is with all equalizer/Dolby settings disabled.
Humans easily mistake higher volume for "better" quality in various ways. That's really the reason for the "volume wars" or whatever it's called; music was often mastered with levels just blasting instead of balancing the audio properly.
What I was asking is what free program can I use to record audio from my phone to check if it's outputting 24 bit audio? But on that same note, yes, I suppose that would also let me directly measure volume as well.
As for the voice recognition, I'll try disabling that and see if it helps, but isn't that supposed to only work when holding down the back key anyway? Also, often when it did a random command like next or previous song, I was silent.
Ah, I see. Sorry to not be helpful whatsoever.
Hmm y somehow ZTE has volume differences. I also noticed it if i enable/disable Dolby Atmos.
But i also think that ZTE set up some DSP stuff on AK4490/61. I would be happy if there was an app which could change DSP etc settings of this DACs :/
I also noticed the fluctuating volume, for me it's via bluetooth.
It would progressively become quiet and when the next song starts it would scare the crap out of me (much louder), then repeat.
Rarely, it would continue to play randomly after I disconnect from bluetooth (not immediately after).
So it would be nice if someone found a good music player that takes advantage of the DACs and not exhibit random behavior -- alternatively if this was fixed that would also be good.
EDIT: For me, it happens in a certain volume range in the upper end. Anything lower or higher this does not happen.
Hi guys,
I am using bluetooth audio in my car and I noticed just after buying this phone, that when I set phone volume to 100% (in general, any volume above 67%), which I always do, since stock audio is not much powerful, volume changes rapidly during a song. To be more specific - I listen to electronic music and during every kick, volume goes down and up in the gaps between them, so it sounds like a wave. Higher frequencies or silent passages are loud as hell, lower bassy sounds are silent and this changes 2-3 times a second. It rips my ears off.
With my previous phones used in this car (LG G3, Zenfone Max 3), I never had this issue. I even tested some very cheap phones, every single one of them was ok, sound was not even distorted on max phone volume. On any bluetooth headphones it's the same case, so it's not car audio issue. Also when using corded headphones or aux, sound is perfectly fine as it should be.
What I already tried to fix it:
Messing with every setting in developer mode
Unpairing smart watch (just in case)
Tried loads of different audio players - with no EQ on, just flat
Reset to factory settings
Nothing helped. I lost almost a month with Asus "so called" support, I even shot a video for them with clear evidence what is happening. No help, except they tried to make an idiot of me. I get angry just thinking about that communication with them. Am I really the only one with this issue? I don't believe that warranty claim would solve anything and I really want to keep this phone.
Any help would be really appreciated. Thank you.
Try this, Goto Developer Options, activate the "Disable Absolute Volume" toggle (see screenshot). Disconnect and reconnect your Bluetooth connection. Hope it'll work out for you.
sanctitude888 said:
Try this, Goto Developer Options, activate the "Disable Absolute Volume" toggle (see screenshot). Disconnect and reconnect your Bluetooth connection. Hope it'll work out for you.
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Actually, this was the very first thing I tried. Just to be sure, I did it once again together with disconnecting and reconnecting as well, nothing changed...
How about set whatever player you are using to be not battery optimized? I haven't been able to try any fix since I seldomly bluetooth connected to my car stereo. Or try, bluetooth volume control from Playstore maybe?
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How about set whatever player you are using to be not battery optimized? I haven't been able to try any fix since I seldomly bluetooth connected to my car stereo. Or try, bluetooth volume control from Playstore maybe?
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I am using JetAudio and optimization is turned off. Tried volume control you suggested, but it makes no difference. Sound is still messed up.
I use Shuttle as music player, bare in mind that every recording has a different mastering approach, thus volume levelling could be varied, especially on first pressed of classic records. Usually I am amplifying low signal wave records manually. But to keep away from such trouble, I suggest Spotify since it has normalizing feature, or turn on this feature if it is available in your music player.
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How about set whatever player you are using to be not battery optimized? I haven't been able to try any fix since I seldomly bluetooth connected to my car stereo. Or try, bluetooth volume control from Playstore maybe?
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I use poweramp.
It really help you. Give a try.
Do not use any third party equalizer app with Poweramp,use it's own eq .
I use CM's audiofx since it has somewhat subtle enhancement, aggressive sound tweak is nice but after 10 minutes or so, it tends to hurt my (old) ears. So most of the time I turn off EQ in order to preserve original sound, not that always works though, especially when it comes to mainstream records.
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I use Shuttle as music player, bare in mind that every recording has a different mastering approach, thus volume levelling could be varied, especially on first pressed of classic records. Usually I am amplifying low signal wave records manually. But to keep away from such trouble, I suggest Spotify since it has normalizing feature, or turn on this feature if it is available in your music player.
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I am listening to my offline archive, not using Spotify etc. There is no way how the source file is affected - maybe one, but hundreds of tracks? Nope. If I have 67% volume or less set in my phone, sound is fine (but overall volume is low, since stock audio has no other amplifier. But when phone is set to 100%, no matter how loud I set car audio, sound gets wavy then. No other phone ever had this issue, I tried direct comparison as well.
I managed to do some test for a whole album on my way home, I could declare the volume level as well as connection was quite stable with no apparent bitrate drop. As a matter of fact it's superior than realme 2 pro which was suck big time in audio department. Although it is no comparison to my now dead lg V10, at this price point I can safely say I'm quite satisfied. The stereo is neither after market nor android auto.
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I managed to do some test for a whole album on my way home, I could declare the volume level as well as connection was quite stable with no apparent bitrate drop. As a matter of fact it's superior than realme 2 pro which was suck big time in audio department. Although it is no comparison to my now dead lg V10, at this price point I can safely say I'm quite satisfied. The stereo is neither after market nor android auto.
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Thank you for your efforts, so it looks like this is issue on my side. I already contacted seller and I will apply for warranty claim, because there's nothing more I can do.
Junglista said:
I am listening to my offline archive, not using Spotify etc. There is no way how the source file is affected - maybe one, but hundreds of tracks? Nope. If I have 67% volume or less set in my phone, sound is fine (but overall volume is low, since stock audio has no other amplifier. But when phone is set to 100%, no matter how loud I set car audio, sound gets wavy then. No other phone ever had this issue, I tried direct comparison as well.
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I also have the same problem with my Bluetooth headphones (Sony WH CH400) which does not happen on my Redmi 3S (PE 9).
Songs can't hit the high frequencies and sound gets lowered down.
I googled and apparently its the stock Bluetooth stack that doesn't let the bitrate go above certain amount and needs some patching which Asus may not do.
Check this https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software-hacking/improve-bluetooth-audio-quality-t3832615
@Junglista what did you do? found any workaround?
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@Junglista what did you do? found any workaround?
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Not yet, I read briefly the forum you advised, but I need to dig in a bit more. Anyway, even this the closest cause, I don't believe that this is issue is bitrate related (but I may be wrong). I still can hear high frequencies in music, but when bassy part comes in, it's like someone turns higher frequencies volume down, so you can hardly hear them. And when bass is gone, volume rises again to "match" volume of lower frequencies. I still did not apply for warranty claim, because according to the forum you posted, I don't want to give up early and try patching the stack (if I will be able to somehow). Nevertheless, I know exactly what reply I would receive after 30 days at after sales service - issue was not found.
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Thank you for your efforts, so it looks like this is issue on my side. I already contacted seller and I will apply for warranty claim, because there's nothing more I can do.
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Hey! Literally i have the same problem. I have the same phone 4 gb variant. I previously used a phone with dolby and now this phone sucks. I think every phone unit has the same problem.
Junglista said:
Not yet, I read briefly the forum you advised, but I need to dig in a bit more. Anyway, even this the closest cause, I don't believe that this is issue is bitrate related (but I may be wrong). I still can hear high frequencies in music, but when bassy part comes in, it's like someone turns higher frequencies volume down, so you can hardly hear them. And when bass is gone, volume rises again to "match" volume of lower frequencies. I still did not apply for warranty claim, because according to the forum you posted, I don't want to give up early and try patching the stack (if I will be able to somehow). Nevertheless, I know exactly what reply I would receive after 30 days at after sales service - issue was not found.
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I've requested a developer to implement this in his rom. Let's wait and hope the issue to be addressed by our amazing community, else our only hope is Asus Pie update.
PS. I have the exact issue, maybe I explained poorly. lol.
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I've requested a developer to implement this in his rom. Let's wait and hope the issue to be addressed by our amazing community, else our only hope is Asus Pie update.
PS. I have the exact issue, maybe I explained poorly. lol.
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I have the same issue with audio quality via bluetooth. Hope Asus will fix it
rooos said:
I have the same issue with audio quality via bluetooth. Hope Asus will fix it
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I've reported the bug on ZenTalk. I encourage everyone to report there too because it should be Asus' duty to fix this bug on stock rom.
https://www.asus.com/zentalk/in/thread-266521-1-1.html
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I've reported the bug on ZenTalk. I encourage everyone to report there too because it should be Asus' duty to fix this bug on stock rom.
https://www.asus.com/zentalk/in/thread-266521-1-1.html
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I just put my comment there, hopefully things will start to move. Thanks for helping with this.
Smk_04 said:
Hey! Literally i have the same problem. I have the same phone 4 gb variant. I previously used a phone with dolby and now this phone sucks. I think every phone unit has the same problem.
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Hey i found a way to tweak up things. The new omni player is on xda. It has a setting called output method. Select the OPEN SL ES. .ur problem will be solved.
App link: https://www-xda--developers-com.cdn...esign-audio-google-cast-android-auto-support/