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Some sad news on XOOM

So Koush on twitter just announced he is returning his xoom.
which ****en sucks, i hope he is kind enough to give us RM when the sdcard is supported.
and also reports all over the net today say the motorola will stop production on xooms in June...OF THIS YEAR
this all kinda sucks in the eyes of consumers (me + you) for software developers and even accessories. I dont know, maybe im kinda freaking but, it looks as though the motorola xoom is the nexus one of android tablets....i just hope it stays that way in the dev world.

Today seems to be a dark day for the Xoom community as well. All these bad news about the end of production, people canceling Xoom orders for the new G-Tab, now Koush leaving. But life goes on and I love my Xoom! After all, the Xoom is just the vessel for Honeycomb, isn't it? And as long as the bee lives we'll be supported by great developers

Hey Honestly,
Koush is a cool guy and he holds a ton of weight in the android community and I personally respect him and his talent, that being said I could give 2 ****s about what he or anyone else buys, never buys, or returns, and so should everyone else.
Personally the Xoom does what I need it to, and I like it. Some people will feel the same way about the Ipad 2, some people feel the same way about the galaxy tab, and some people feel the same way about Cheese. Out of all of us whos right? Every single one
If you like the Xoom be happy with it, if not return it. Simple as that. My only request is you dont post on here about how awsome your new device is because honestly you can go post that in the forum of the new device and it will not make people angry or sound like your gloating
The Xoom is the Nexus One of the Tab community, because with all of these new devices coming out who knows how much bloat ware or sense or blur or other crap they will have on them. Samsung for one does a totally steller job of providing updates for their devices (thats sarcasm) so I wouldn’t buy anything from them, but again this is my opinion, and someone may totally love their devices and want to catch them all (just like the pokemon) .
As for Motorola, what they’re doing is pretty standard. Think about it they probably have been producing units since Jan possibly even December for a early march release, a 6 month production run in a market where every week a newer shinnier toy comes out I feel is pretty standard.
Thats all just my opinion hope it makes you feel a little better tho And in the great words of Bob Marley, dont worry be happy

dudeimgeorge said:
and also reports all over the net today say the motorola will stop production on xooms in June...OF THIS YEAR
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Honestly, I doubt this is completely true. It just says that they are stepping down production, and with good reason.
Things like this happen all the time in industry. You build 1 million devices, and then you use your manufacturing capabilities to build other things while you sell down the inventory, then you start pushing out units again once you get to another level.
All this means is that they are selling alot less than they are making, which may or may not change when the wifi version is released.

Squeak22 said:
Honestly, I doubt this is completely true. It just says that they are stepping down production, and with good reason.
Things like this happen all the time in industry. You build 1 million devices, and then you use your manufacturing capabilities to build other things while you sell down the inventory, then you start pushing out units again once you get to another level.
All this means is that they are selling alot less than they are making, which may or may not change when the wifi version is released.
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Wifi will give a price point that more people can agree with.
I'm anxiously awaiting my Wifi order to ship from Amazon.

Motorola showed us in the past that if they don't make money with their device, they quickly stop to support it.
Knowing the Xoom is running on an early version of Honeycomb, this doesn't look good at all...Makes me want to cancel my preorder actually...
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I really don't care what koush buys, he bought and sold the galaxy tab 7" in the same amount of time.
If he really cared about the xda community his bootloader would be open source...if he stops making it someone will step in and make one.
Edit: I know he does open source the code, but I'm unsure if the xoom support is in there.
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I just got my xoom for the GPS maps and the turn by turn directions. It works good for that so Im keeping mine!

This is really one of the major downsides of the Internet. It used to be that somebody could have a knee-jerk reaction to something, but by the time it filtered through editors, producers, etc., and into the print and publication media it had already been toned down and made far more realistic.
Nowadays, somebody misunderstands or misquotes something, and five minutes later it's believed as fact by the majority of the population, which has been conditioned to get information in tiny little chunks without any appreciation for context.

lifegear said:
Motorola showed us in the past that if they don't make money with their device, they quickly stop to support it.
Knowing the Xoom is running on an early version of Honeycomb, this doesn't look good at all...Makes me want to cancel my preorder actually...
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Oh please, the OG Droid got an update the other day didn't it? Our xooms are unlocked and unmodified to such a degree that we will be able to create roms from the 3.0 source code without any issue.
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Bauxite said:
I really don't care what koush buys, he bought and sold the galaxy tab 7" in the same amount of time.
If he really cared about the xda community his bootloader would be open source...if he stops making it someone will step in and make one.
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I thought his bootloader was open source? Wasnt that the origional reason it was created as opposed to Amon_RA? Or do I have it backwards?

jvward said:
And in the great words of Bob Marley, dont worry be happy
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Wasn't that Bobby McFerrin?

funnycreature said:
Wasn't that Bobby McFerrin?
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Yep it was, its been a long day and I am tired

jvward said:
I thought his bootloader was open source? Wasnt that the origional reason it was created as opposed to Amon_RA? Or do I have it backwards?
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Whether or not he pushed the code for the xoom is the issue right now.

All I know is Amazon needs to ship it already!

mikejet said:
All I know is Amazon needs to ship it already!
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This development might put the remaing xooms in high demand. Whatever happens I bet they will sell out FAST!. I am glad I allready have 2 of them in my home!. You know what they say..... a bird in the hand is worth 2 xooms on pre order at Amazon! LOL

i FREAKING LOVE my xoom. I have an ipad that also and I never touch it. Go android!!!

android ftw yo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUwqxHpXMY

i love my xoom too and im pretty content with it. i sold my ipad, two weeks before the announcement of the ipad 2 (robbed the dude on craigslist)
my main concern at this point, and i think its to a certain degree, paranoia, that the pushing up updates, dev community mods and improvements all together will be few and far between.
after typing that i realize thats nonsense, motorola sliced off at least 1-2months of shipping delays by delaying adobe, the sdcard and the 4g...just to be ahead of the pack.
whether that option was smart in the longrun is a question for the finance people. but as a android geek im good with that, just as long as developers (like koush) still have at it.

Thank god Moto priced the Xoom so high that I(and other sane people) got the ipad 2. At least I know that Apple wont just drop their product like that less than 6 months after release.
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Xiaomi MI2

Is sold out. So lets take bets... the preorders were already inflated from $315 to $399
I'm betting that stock will be found on eBay/Amazon during the holidays or early 2013 starting at $699
I wont be paying that much.
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And... what does this have to do with the Atrix?

i try to pre-order from china from official site xiaomi.com the mi2 but the first mobiles are the beta version, final version pre-order is not yet.

Oh, no xiaomi sub-forum and u put it in the atrix, thanks

aaron.a said:
Is sold out. So lets take bets... the preorders were already inflated from $315 to $399
I'm betting that stock will be found on eBay/Amazon during the holidays or early 2013 starting at $699
I wont be paying that much.
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1. it's cheap and a power monster.
2. it's not sold out. it's just "booked out". like restaurant is booked fully does not mean all booked customers will go there for sure. i expect 50% people who got the mi phone bookings will place the order.
3. no use for non chinese user. cause few english based developers will have the phone. and a lot of translations, localizations need to be done.
4. quality and delivery time are unknown.

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3. no use for non chinese user. cause few english based developers will have the phone. and a lot of translations, localizations need to be done.
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I suspect (or rather, hope) that the Mi2 will manage to find popularity, and maybe even official distribution outside China. There really isn't anything comparable coming to the RoW market at this kind of price point at the moment, so there will be a lot of interest from developers abroad.
I, for one, don't even like Miui, but if I could have that hardware running ported CM10 I'd be happy as a pig in s**t - especially given it's a 4.3" phone at 720p, and AFAIK the only other option is the Sony which is far more expensive and doesn't have the horsepower of the Mi2. I'm not really a fan of big screens, but I do like having all the pixels
Hey, maybe somebody will want to swap a Mi2 for my One X one day :victory:

Thread closed. Please stay on topic about the Atrix 4G in these forums.

[Q] Google Play Store out of stock

Ok, I have searched the forums both in general for the Nexus 4 and in Q & A, but I have not found the answer to my question. I am wanting to purchase the Nexus 4, but T-mobile is sold out in local stores, on their website, and Google play store is sold out of both versions on its website. I have googled for any sort of update by google, looked at twitter pages, but most things are only people complaining about LG and Google in their phail at meeting the supply and demand. I have not ordered a phone, so in that aspect most of the threads created only apply to those who have already found a way to purchase the device and are waiting for confirmation on shipping or something to that extent. I am simply trying to figure out when I will be able to buy it from the google play store. I definitely do not want to have to chip out $500-$700 for the device from people on Ebay and other websites. So, if someone could help clarify this, it would be greatly appreciated.

no one knows when they will be on sale again on the playstore bro..

No body knows when they'll be available for sale. If you signed up for the email newsletter that they used to do they'll tell you.
Wave one was at a certain time. So was wave two (emailed us in advance that it'll be available in a couple of hours to buy)
It can be available today, tomorrow, three weeks. We don't know. Best thing to do is to follow android sites on twitter such as android police. And they usually tweet when it's for sale. Good luck getting one though, you'll most likely have errors of too many people buying and we can't process your order. What I did was spam f5 on checkout and continued until the wallet pop up came up.
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Nevermind.

zephiK said:
No body knows when they'll be available for sale. If you signed up for the email newsletter that they used to do they'll tell you.
Wave one was at a certain time. So was wave two (emailed us in advance that it'll be available in a couple of hours to buy)
It can be available today, tomorrow, three weeks. We don't know. Best thing to do is to follow android sites on twitter such as android police. And they usually tweet when it's for sale. Good luck getting one though, you'll most likely have errors of too many people buying and we can't process your order. What I did was spam f5 on checkout and continued until the wallet pop up came up.
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You can't even put the Nexus 4 in the checkout since it says sold out, or sadly I would keep trying, lol. I wish they would give potential customers some sort of update on this issue. Instead of leaving us guessing on when it might become available. I also heard that the build quality of the Nexus 4 is getting worse, like LG is cutting corners to meet the demands of all the back orders already placed. If this is true that is really sucky news for a lot of people.

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You can't even put the Nexus 4 in the checkout since it says sold out, or sadly I would keep trying, lol. I wish they would give potential customers some sort of update on this issue. Instead of leaving us guessing on when it might become available. I also heard that the build quality of the Nexus 4 is getting worse, like LG is cutting corners to meet the demands of all the back orders already placed. If this is true that is really sucky news for a lot of people.
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No. If you read my post correctly. I was going in sequence talking about when IT BECOMES IN STOCK. If it was available to add to cart as this moment and never went to "sold out" no one would have that error.
As far as rumors... I don't comment on those as it is silly to guess without any proof.
And they usually tweet when it's for sale. Good luck getting one though, you'll most likely have errors of too many people buying and we can't process your order. What I did was spam f5 on checkout and continued until the wallet pop up came up.
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Zekk98 said:
You can't even put the Nexus 4 in the checkout since it says sold out, or sadly I would keep trying, lol. I wish they would give potential customers some sort of update on this issue. Instead of leaving us guessing on when it might become available. I also heard that the build quality of the Nexus 4 is getting worse, like LG is cutting corners to meet the demands of all the back orders already placed. If this is true that is really sucky news for a lot of people.
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I highly doubt the build quality is getting worse because there are only two shipments to go off of anyways.
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Well, I hope not, because I really want to buy the phone, I guess I will have to just wait until Google decides to inform us or someone on here finds out something more.

Unboxing video on Youtube

OP has to really be pleased with their first unboxing video on Youtube. What an embarrassment for any company to have this as a first impression. Here is the link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WePC7cISM7U

wilbarger said:
OP has to really be pleased with their first unboxing video on Youtube. What an embarrassment for any company to have this as a first impression. Here is the link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WePC7cISM7U
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For a $1 I wouldn't complain.

TopazUser1 said:
For a $1 I wouldn't complain.
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The OP group must be really proud of their first impression they are making. They are gonna be the laughing stock across the internet. This launch has been a joke from the start. They will NEVER make it in this cut throat business since they have no business sense to fight back with.

Although I think the comments are a bit harsh. I do think they have valid points. Regardless if it costs these contest winners $1 or not. There moto is never settle. So I would assume this would also carry forward with how there products are packaged and shipped as well. Even from startups like BLU you get a much more polished package. The plastic screen protector that was hanging off the screen once the guy took the bubble wrap off was pretty embarrassing. You only get one chance to make a first impression. And if this is the impression oneplus wants to set its not a good one. The phone itself can only carry so much weight when it comes to polish. There was to be a level of delivery, distribution and packaging that give that all around professional feel.
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Although I think the comments are a bit harsh. I do think they have valid points. Regardless if it costs these contest winners $1 or not. There moto is never settle. So I would assume this would also carry forward with how there products are packaged and shipped as well. Even from startups like BLU you get a much more polished package. The plastic screen protector that was hanging off the screen once the guy took the bubble wrap off was pretty embarrassing. You only get one chance to make a first impression. And if this is the impression oneplus wants to set its not a good one. The phone itself can only carry so much weight when it comes to polish. There was to be a level of delivery, distribution and packaging that give that all around professional feel.
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I am in agreement with you on your comments. They are going to be skewered on sites like XDA. For the most part, the members around here are not a bunch of noobies and notice off the wall crap like this shipping fiasco.

I made my comment about this on the OP forum.
I don't care if it was $1 that unboxing is a bad 1st impression. IMO no reason to not have a decent packaging for your 1st 100 customers.
Even the screen protector didn't look to be on the screen very well.
I know it's a $300 device but after watching that I may just hold off for the Nexus 6.

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I made my comment about this on the OP forum.
I don't care if it was $1 that unboxing is a bad 1st impression. IMO no reason to not have a decent packaging for your 1st 100 customers.
Even the screen protector didn't look to be on the screen very well.
I know it's a $300 device but after watching that I may just hold off for the Nexus 6.
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I also commented on their forums. In fact, I am surprised I haven't been banned like others have for expressing their conflicting opinions or questioning the methods used.

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I also commented on their forums. In fact, I am surprised I haven't been banned like others have for expressing their conflicting opinions or questioning the methods used.
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My enthusiasm has sort of slipped after seeing that boxing. I wonder what other corners were cut. I'm starting to wonder if they're sitting at the kitchen table and putting them together. I guess I'm thinking from a warranty stand point also
Hopefully we will start seeing some full reviews soon.

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My enthusiasm has sort of slipped after seeing that boxing. I wonder what other corners were cut. I'm starting to wonder if they're sitting at the kitchen table and putting them together. I guess I'm thinking from a warranty stand point also
Hopefully we will start seeing some full reviews soon.
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Well, I think we have to throw out the first 100 reviews as these guys are not likely to admit that they got exactly what their $1 purchase is worth.

you guys did watch the video right? he said that oneplus said that this is how the smashers will get their devices, and theyll be sent the charger and the rest later since they are not ready. hopefully itll look like this when done -> http://www.gizchina.com/2014/04/28/...ng-pictures-revealed-bonus-64gb-model-images/

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I hate to admit it but that thought crossed my mind.
I think there's a Mod here who's getting one soon so that review should be better than some.
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you guys did watch the video right? he said that oneplus said that this is how the smashers will get their devices, and theyll be sent the charger and the rest later since they are not ready. hopefully itll look like this when done -> http://www.gizchina.com/2014/04/28/...ng-pictures-revealed-bonus-64gb-model-images/
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Yes I saw the video about getting the charger, headphones, etc at a later date and IMO it would be better to wait and ship them all together.
They knew and planned the contest. They should have had enough stuff for 100 units. For all we know these devices could be in house user devices.
If they're having problems with 100 chargers and accessories, what are they going to do about 100k+ potential buyers?
Bad first impression. To my knowledge nothing was posted previous saying this is how they would be shipped.

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you guys did watch the video right? he said that oneplus said that this is how the smashers will get their devices, and theyll be sent the charger and the rest later since they are not ready. hopefully itll look like this when done -> http://www.gizchina.com/2014/04/28/...ng-pictures-revealed-bonus-64gb-model-images/
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Yes, I did watch the video. Since they had some of this packaging, are you trying to tell me that they did not order more that the dozen or so that got sent out for reviews? This is totally idiotic on OP's part to do something like this. The forums are going nuts about their low quality packaging on the first shipments. How in the world do they think this will not destroy all their bravado about being a Flagship Killer. You can't ship crap like this out and not expect to lose all credibility that they have pompously built up. Absolutely incredible to me that these bozos did this. Sorry if you think that I am being harsh, but sometimes the truth hurts.

well, the first 100...
when the device will be ready for everyone will come with a nice box and everything... if you ask ... why i don't have a invite? the answer is: because you can't understand that this is not the final release, or package or the final battery life, or the final etc....
really stop.... this is a taste of the 1+1... just that, dont be saying "bad impression" if you cant handle this, then wait for 2 months(and buy the "final version")... really im very surprised, this kind of commentary in xda, why??
just wait...

They could have planned his contest a little better, but this doesn't affect how I feel about the phone. Your disappointment over this issue, which doesn't affect anyone other than the 100 that got the phone, just sounds like you're invested too heavily in the hype machine. I'm sure that OP had good intentions with getting these 100 phones to the winners asap since they do need a new phone after smashing their old one. Don't buy it this actually upsets you. It's one more invite for someone else.

Jesus christ.
Some of you people will dig and dig for literally any reason to hate this device. You'll get one soon enough and it'll be fine, just be patient.

This isn't unusual for an advance release. Of course they're usually sent to industry insiders, not end users, so they should have known the unwrapping would have ended up on YouTube. But I don't consider it some big scandal, everyone knows they're pre-release promotional items so the faux outrage seems a bit much.

New devices always have problems when first released.The n4 and n5 for example.
So wait let the hype settle down.
Wait a couple of months then order your one.
Just my 2cents.

Retail packaging will be much better. It will be a finished retail product.
These winners were advanced, before retail packaging was ready. Just wait for the retail unboxing videos. Everyone that reviewed the device has commented about how good the quality is. The retail product will not disappoint. Packaging will be as good as the final product, just like the packaging that was seen in the video with Steve Kondik unboxing the One.
Steve's video is HERE.

Oh come one! How can there be people justifying this BS. Man, they couldn't put 100 units together with their retail package and not even a CHARGER? This is unjustifiable. This company's main marketing will be over social media by its users (evangelists). These first 100 phone should have arrived in a SPECIAL package since they are for the winners of a very much hyped promo (Smash The Past) that asked to destroy $700 devices! This is without mentioning that the first units (pre-production) had defects that were justified because they weren't actual retail but hey considering that this is the only marketing they had they should have released something near perfect.
Guys this company and product are not ready. They couldn't get 100 devices in weeks they won't be able to produce not even 5,000 in 2 months.
Note: I consider my self a supporter of Oneplus since I believe that what they tired to do with a device like this at the right price it commendable but this sucks and you don't have to be a marketing expert to know that this is going wrong.

dammm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfNCT_fUCeY

ZTE cannot do any RMAs in America

So I talked to ZTE support and if you have an issue with the phone they recommend returning the phone since they have no replacements at all.

borisb said:
So I talked to ZTE support and if you have an issue with the phone they recommend returning the phone since they have no replacements at all.
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supposedly Amazon will have them in stock on the 22nd but they probably have backorder queue as well. Not having stock on hand for RMAs is the dumbest thing ZTE could have done or it points to massive RMA rate

Thats not good news. Where did you buy it? Try replacing it through them.

This has been talked about on their official forum. Basically, Passport 2.0 is currently useless because of the lack of stock. Almost all their devices up to and probably beyond the 9/9 shipments are spoken for.
If you have any type of issue that requires and RMA, you are out of luck for at least two months.
This is a huge misstep for a brand trying to make a name in the US. First they underproduce the device leading to delays, now that underproduction is leading to those with faulty devices either accepting a full return or keeping said device.

Can anybody say One+One?
Always thank those who are helpful...and just ignore those who aren't.

borisb said:
So I talked to ZTE support and if you have an issue with the phone they recommend returning the phone since they have no replacements at all.
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I'm curious, were you trying to get an rma and if so, what was the problem with the phone?
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tdgillihan said:
Can anybody say One+One?
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Yeah, OnePlus had a lot of issues at first, but look at them now. Give ZTE time. Besides, why keep a bunch of phones around for RMA when people wanna buy them instead?

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Yeah, OnePlus had a lot of issues at first, but look at them now. Give ZTE time. Besides, why keep a bunch of phones around for RMA when people wanna buy them instead?
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Because that's how business works and RMA. You either have to be able to recreate them in a short enough time when an RMA hits or have stock to fulfill it. Or don't offer the Passport 2.0 service.

Adiyel said:
Yeah, OnePlus had a lot of issues at first, but look at them now. Give ZTE time. Besides, why keep a bunch of phones around for RMA when people wanna buy them instead?
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OP is still terrible. Have you seen the bug list for OP3? They need to hire more developer and spend more time testing. Every year, they basically let the early adopter beta test their rom for the first few months. They do eventually get it fixed but do not buy a OP phone at launch.

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OP is still terrible. Have you seen the bug list for OP3? They need to hire more developer and spend more time testing. Every year, they basically let the early adopter beta test their rom for the first few months. They do eventually get it fixed but do not buy a OP phone at launch.
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Yeah, they got pretty well screwed by Cyanogenmod when they just broke their contract and abruptly walked away. They do seem to be doing a fair job of recovering, but you're right, needs to be better.
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I'm curious, were you trying to get an rma and if so, what was the problem with the phone?
Always thank those who are helpful...and just ignore those who aren't.
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I was listening to sound cloud and the phone just rebooted. Ending in a boot loop.
Reset factory and wiping cache did not work.
I talked to newegg this morning. I got a refund.

borisb said:
I was listening to sound cloud and the phone just rebooted. Ending in a boot loop.
Reset factory and wiping cache did not work.
I talked to newegg this morning. I got a refund.
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That's right, I saw your other post. Sorry, I didn't connect the two.
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imp3r10 said:
Because that's how business works and RMA. You either have to be able to recreate them in a short enough time when an RMA hits or have stock to fulfill it. Or don't offer the Passport 2.0 service.
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These companies employ a lot of unconventional business practices because the model they're using is a low margin high sales number scheme. You have to produce units in batches so you don't get stuck with stock you can't move. It's the price we pay for so much phone at so little cost...

Adiyel said:
These companies employ a lot of unconventional business practices because the model they're using is a low margin high sales number scheme. You have to produce units in batches so you don't get stuck with stock you can't move. It's the price we pay for so much phone at so little cost...
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I don't know if its worth it.

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I don't know if its worth it.
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It is for me. It's nothing but a win (overall) for the consumer. Sucks if you have a problem with your phone and want a replacement (I just got mine today, so time will tell), but it's a lot of bang for your buck. In general.

I wouldn't say it's nothing but a win. Some can't even get ahold of the device while others with faulty units can't do anything other than return it for a full refund and take their business elsewhere.
Not having enough product to satisfy consumer needs is bad, not having enough to honor your own warranty is worse. It's only bang for your buck if you can get one, and have no issues with it.

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It's only bang for your buck if you can get one, and have no issues with it.
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That's my point. I get the feeling that the demand isn't quite as strong as it seems from reading the forums and I also feel like the number of units with issues is within the realm of reasonable.
I say this without evidence either way; I just take the online portrayal with a grain of salt. I wasn't even aware of the ZTE forum until a ZTE rep referred to me to it. I never would have found it on my own because I wouldn't have looked. As for XDA, well, it's a certain type of person who hangs out here
Don't get me wrong, it doesn't help ZTE's image to not have enough stock. But the truth is that the OP3 is the only real competitor (in my mind) that is currently available around this price point if you're looking for the same features (I don't consider the Alcatel Idol 4S a real competitor because you get mid-range hardware at a mid-range price rather than flagship hardware at a mid-range price with the Axon 7 and OP3). By and large, you either want the Axon 7 and are willing to wait for it, or you go with the OP3. ZTE's inventory issues might cause them to lose customers if they can't get phones out before the 2016 Nexus phones are announced, though.

I think these are growing pains of a manufacturer taking some bold steps to get in the market with a little caution. They are not anywhere near a flagship known company. The cream of the crop Icrap is the leading smartphone maker in the world and has never ever met launch day demand. I believe it's time to lay off and exercise a little patience.
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I believe I've exercised some patience. I pre-ordered on the first day they went up. After multiple delays I'll be lucky to see my device almost two months after its release.
Pre-orders are usually used to judge interest and are a build to of sorts, and they fell way behind on this aspect. I know this happens with a few other companies as well, but I've never had to wait this long.
I know I'm speaking from a point of frustration right now due to the most recent delay hitting hours ago.