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I bought my Galaxy S few weeks ago and I could barely use the GPS. It took way too long to get it working and still it was inaccurate.
Few days ago I flashed JM2 firmware and installed app called TrackerBooster (can be found in the Android Market). Now the GPS works perfectly, takes only few seconds to get it connected (outdoors). I have used it now like 15 times and max. time I had to wait was 20 seconds.
I'm not sure does TrackerBooster app need to be installed, might work well without it, haven't tested.
I hope this helps those who have problems with GPS but this is just my experience, I would wait for other comments before flashing new a firmware.
It's called new firmware flashing syndrom for GPS. Basically, if you flash to any new firmware, your GPS will work for a few days.
As Foxbat said, a full flash/reset cycle improves results on the pathetic, schizophrenic and overall random SGS GPS implementation. But I am not going to be a smart ass and insinuate you don't know what you're talking about.
Instead I'll just ignore all the previous "the GPS issue is fixed" claims by many users who prematurely yelled "fixed" and just cowardly quote one of my favourite authors..."Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
Plus we shall also ignore the previous 308 users who have "cried Wolf"^-1. Please refer to your favorite fable author for proper reference.
Its occurred so many times, it actually has it's own syndrome!! FFS
Beowulf_pt said:
As Foxbat said, a full flash/reset cycle improves results on the pathetic, schizophrenic and overall random SGS GPS implementation. But I am not going to be a smart ass and insinuate you don't know what you're talking about.
Instead I'll just ignore all the previous "the GPS issue is fixed" claims by many users who prematurely yelled "fixed" and just cowardly quote one of my favourite authors..."Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
Plus we shall also ignore the previous 308 users who have "cried Wolf"^-1. Please refer to your favorite fable author for proper reference.
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So you still trolling the forums about your GPS problem even after you sold your Samsung if you ever had one from the beginning. I have never had serious problem as many others and if only 308 of millions have had a problem it must certainly be a really good GPS. Stop trolling you only because look like an ignorant user who really do not want to make the phone better but want to promote NOKIA.
For sure, milsjg. You can add me too as ignorant, 309th user who's GPS sucks d*ck hard.
I wish my GPS sucked d**k... that would at least make it useful! ) 310th user here noticing GPS issues... that said while I was on JM7, I managed to record a very very close to perfect track using mytracks... for the walking section of my test it went perfectly even showing where I retraced my steps to go to poo bins! But when I got on to driving it went a bit mental and I apparently drove through the fire station, the wrong way round roundabouts and demolished a few streets worth of houses, but occationally it did show me going down the right side of the road!
You forget that before he even got it, he was complaining that he was reluctant to buy the phone because of reports about lag and GPS (and then, proceeded to buy it anyway).
The main problem is that people have different quality of acceptance for GPS. Some people expect a signal which compares with a fitness GPS (accurate within 2 or 3 meters generally), and some of us don't care if it drifts off by 20m.
Any technology which doesn't have a definitive state will get various opinions...
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You forget that before he even got it, he was complaining that he was reluctant to buy the phone because of reports about lag and GPS (and then, proceeded to buy it anyway).
The main problem is that people have different quality of acceptance for GPS. Some people expect a signal which compares with a fitness GPS (accurate within 2 or 3 meters generally), and some of us don't care if it drifts off by 20m.
Any technology which doesn't have a definitive state will get various opinions...
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But then when it comes to navigation (arguably the principal purpose of having GPS in these devices) things go totally haywire! ) Personally I wonder whether GPS was installed purely for marketing purposes, to allow app developers (and of course google!) to snoop as to where their users are and how they are using their devices. For that there's no need for close tracking! )
not sure why you would fault beowulf for buying, if as you indicate he had some concerns - the damn phone is drop dead gorgous. If any product could stimulate optimism or optimistic hope, even in a skeptic, this phone would. And that's what makes it so frustrating.
I'm going to hate sending it back (i negotiated an extended buyer remorse return period) but if GPS isn't corrected by mid sept, this phone is history
samsung having released it w/o working gps is maybe forgiveable, but then even assuming they didn't know about the issue before release, it's been over 90 days since the asian release, and it's still not working.
Lay on top of that that samsung announced the GPS had been "validated" in the EPIC 4G, and it turns out it isn't. That did nothing but strengthen my doubts on samsung delivering a solution.
Tried this tracker booster app, makes no difference, gps still horrendous. If some people think that a 20m accuracy variation is acceptable for a gps lock they are a bloody fool.
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Bynar010 said:
Tried this tracker booster app, makes no difference, gps still horrendous. If some people think that a 20m accuracy variation is acceptable for a gps lock they are a bloody fool.
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Then it must be the firmware I flashed. There's a big difference with JM2 and the previous FW I had, if I remember right it was JF3.
The accuracy is good, for example Endomondo regonizes few meter changes. (like changing side of the road).
Sorry to offend you but Beowulf_pt has no SGS and still he is lurking around complaining. If you think about it ,there must be some reasons that I and several others have a perfectly normal (no correction) GPS on our SGS. Why is it working so different for different persons? Some logical alternatives would be error in a batch of phones (switch it), or operator programming has messed it up (get new operator), or just overload caused by program running in background, memory and task mangers etc ( educate yourself or wait for a proper kernel - see below) or in some cases just plain trolling of some non SGS owners (see my last reply).
The GPS chip is new and according to the web only recently the code for efficient low level drivers, for the linux kernel, has started to appear on internet (23 august). It will take some weeks before they are implemented so I would bet that they have fixed it by the end of September. You know, bad driver = slow, no calender etc. You will notice it specially when you use program that uses lots of resources (Maps and My tracker). It is much more efficient with Cardiotrainer for example or GPS test. (see my third conclusion above). I have noticed that (at least for me) it takes 5 - 10 sec to get a first lock in GPS test but half a minute at least in Maps or My Tracks.
Another tip is to run for example GPS test for one minute or so before My Track so the GPS gets some satellite data downloaded (calenders). The time also helps the GPS to calculate the exact position to use as a start point. You normally need a minute or so if the calenders are to old or you moved to get the right positions.
Iphone 4 has a good GPS (3 is crap according to some owners and it is not fixed. Do you hear any complaints?). The chip is one generation older than SGS and Apple do not need to wait for the kernel to be changed in there Iphone. They do it them self and by the way Iphone 4 is not really multitasking which means that GPS programs can easily be prioritized.
Well this is a short version. The net is filled with facts and if you start read a little you can start puzzle together what the cause is for your faulty GPS (nearly nobody believes its hardware any more).
By the way, I am not ignorant and I know rather much about GPS and how to evaluate tracking (I have written several scientific papers on tracking of wildlife where at least one was on the subject - evaluation of ARGOS tracking devices using GPS as reference). I have owned several mobiles and GPSes, programmed and built fish tracking devices, and did my thesis on wildlife tracking. I stating this not to try to end the GPS discussion but to make it a little bit more "scientific" and not so emotional like the comments on my last reply. There still nobody that knows how many that has a problem with the GPS. We only know that a few of millions have complained and a few of millions have said there satisfied with it.
Bynar010 said:
Tried this tracker booster app, makes no difference, gps still horrendous. If some people think that a 20m accuracy variation is acceptable for a gps lock they are a bloody fool.
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On the contrar my friend, 5 - 15 meters is what you can expect and that means that the fix has 95 % certainty to be in that interval. 20 is a little bit above what you can expect but not much. In good dedicated trackers or a good phones you can get 5 meters (which I often get after 30 sec outside) and 2,5 for some fixes but not constant. A mobile is not a dedicated GPS and with the suspected driver problem 20 would not be bad. Try with GPS test, under open sky, and holding it at the bottom of the phone. Before you start you should turn off and on the GPS and close all task managers and started programs. You know that home means often that you leave the program running in the background but using back shuts it down. And wait for 30 - 60 seconds. If you get 10 be satisfied it,s a phone and not a dedicated GPS.
My touch hd would actually follow the f$$king road. Not too much to ask that a brand new smart phone would do the same is it? Its nothing short of pathetic. Even my old tytn2 was superb as a gps device for navigation, this thing cannot be trusted.
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I for one am getting SICK of installing fw's hoping for a fix for GPS.
They put a good hardware-wise device out.. But its kinda shoddy the fw development isn't equally as good. I have flashed nearly ALL the fw's to no real avail..
I am started to get frustrated after all this patience..
FWIW
Running 2.2 with no lag, fix no root, no apps to help. Google Nav and Co-Pilot work flawlessly. Mytracks follows me walking down the pavement at the correct position and on the correct side of the road with very few deviations.
I really cannot see what all the fuss is ablout here.
Tehpriest said:
FWIW
Running 2.2 with no lag, fix no root, no apps to help. Google Nav and Co-Pilot work flawlessly. Mytracks follows me walking down the pavement at the correct position and on the correct side of the road with very few deviations.
I really cannot see what all the fuss is ablout here.
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well try it in a car and get supprised...
praun said:
well try it in a car and get supprised...
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That is where I use both Co-Pilot and Google Nav.....
Beowulf_pt said:
..y quote one of my favourite authors..."Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
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Well I rather stick with Popper. Extraordinary evidence or support isn't that hard to get (look at the paranormal claims etc). What is more difficult and more fruitful to come by is some clever tests that eventually will or can refute a claim. If a theory will pass those tests it is actually more trustworthy then when it gets "extraordinary" evidence.
Again, no theory will stand till the end of time, how extra-ordinary our evidences may be.
Lol, back to the gps.
Edit 30 dec 2010:
see my last post in page 4
GPS suc*s when tested in high roads density urban areas
Hi,
I see many debate here about Galaxy S issues, mainly lag and GPS.
I was scared when got one, but finally, becoming a fan boy too:
In answer to this topic:
DSF said:
1) Test Google search (press and hold option button in home). Press a leter, for eg N. Now you have to wait seconds. Just web, apps are in searchable items. Without web suggestions
2) Swype
3) Manage apps
4) List processes
5) Apps shortcut
6) TouchWiz app drawer
7) Browser (still on JP6 ATM)
And so many issues.
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So I tested in my SGS, recently bought (3 weeks):
GPS driving on road behaves like my Sirf III module (but under Navigon, google maps not tested)
Google search is fine (lag less than 1sec)
Swype: really smooth
Manage apps: small lag, max 1 sec or less
Apps shortcut: first time just 1-2 sec, than instant
App drawer is fine, lag is really minimal to abscent, far less than 1 sec when it is there
Browser: no issues
It came with JM7 bundled, never updated firmware as I don't see the need. Bought it in october, just after an out of stock long period
I'm really thinking there are some hardware issues solved recently. My SGS seems to behave like the one from "fanboy"
I'm not going to become a fanboy, just maybe helping with my case. If it is really hardware dependent issues, a mass RMA would help samsung to admit the problems (that they look like have solved in newer devices?). After all, Apple, with their small antenna bug was finally more fair than Samsung.
I really open this topic to give a positive feedback. I also wonder why I have a "perfect" SGS, while many have a bad one? If it is not hardware, what can it be?
Maybe people that get new units, bundled stock with a new firmware (mine was JM7), should give a feedback here.
If it is hardware, why not RMA and put pressure on Samsung
jonny_ftm said:
Hi,
I see many debate here about Galaxy S issues, mainly lag and GPS.
I was scared when got one, but finally, becoming a fan boy too:
In answer to this topic:
So I tested in my SGS, recently bought (3 weeks):
GPS driving on road behaves like my Sirf III module (but under Navigon, google maps not tested)
Google search is fine (lag less than 1sec)
Swype: really smooth
Manage apps: small lag, max 1 sec or less
Apps shortcut: first time just 1-2 sec, than instant
App drawer is fine, lag is really minimal to abscent, far less than 1 sec when it is there
Browser: no issues
It came with JM7 bundled, never updated firmware as I don't see the need. Bought it in october, just after an out of stock long period
I'm really thinking there are some hardware issues solved recently. My SGS seems to behave like the one from "fanboy"
I'm not going to become a fanboy, just maybe helping with my case. If it is really hardware dependent issues, a mass RMA would help samsung to admit the problems (that they look like have solved in newer devices?). After all, Apple, with their small antenna bug was finally more fair than Samsung.
I really open this topic to give a positive feedback. I also wonder why I have a "perfect" SGS, while many have a bad one? If it is not hardware, what can it be?
Maybe people that get new units, bundled stock with a new firmware (mine was JM7), should give a feedback here.
If it is hardware, why not RMA and put pressure on Samsung
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Many people still have release-day SGS's and they work just as good as yours; some people have the problem and some just do not. Was there a hardware update? We don't know and if there was, why would Samsung not announce something and try to put themselves in a terrible position?
We just don't know. I have a release-day SGS myself and the only problem I've had was the button's delaying (which is quite annoying) and "the Black Screen of Death" a few times (which was fixed by not putting on a hard-case from Bell).
hol17 said:
Many people still have release-day SGS's and they work just as good as yours; some people have the problem and some just do not. Was there a hardware update? We don't know and if there was, why would Samsung not announce something and try to put themselves in a terrible position?
We just don't know. I have a release-day SGS myself and the only problem I've had was the button's delaying (which is quite annoying) and "the Black Screen of Death" a few times (which was fixed by not putting on a hard-case from Bell).
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Hi. Just a couple of questions for you if you dont mind.
1.) When you say "Black Screen of Death, do you mean the weird Coma/Crash syndrome? Mine from Bell as well just started doing this about 60 days into owning it and it has happened a total of 3 times in the last 5 days or so.
2.) What do you mean it was SOLVED by not putting on a Hard Case from Bell? I have one from Bell (looks like leather on the back) and you now have me wondering. I have had the case almost since day one though and my phone just started the Coma/Crash as mentioned above about 60 days after owning it. Please advise...
3.) A bit off topic but I see you are rooted on JH2. Can you please tell me how you rooted the device? I have tried the update.zip files I have found before but none of them ever work for me. Do you need to be sim unlocked for the root to work? Please advise...
Thank You...
@yiannisthegreek
1.) When you say "Black Screen of Death, do you mean the weird Coma/Crash syndrome? Mine from Bell as well just started doing this about 60 days into owning it and it has happened a total of 3 times in the last 5 days or so.
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Yes; try to wake the phone and I just can not, no matter what I do and thats when...
SEGWAY
2.) What do you mean it was SOLVED by not putting on a Hard Case from Bell? I have one from Bell (looks like leather on the back) and you now have me wondering. I have had the case almost since day one though and my phone just started the Coma/Crash as mentioned above about 60 days after owning it. Please advise...
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I'll break it down for you; my problem with the BSOD started to happen after I attached my cases I bought from Bell (the semi-clear hard grey case and the fake crocodile skin case). The cases felt VERY snug to my phone, almost 'death-gripped' (which meant the cases were difficult to take off, almost 'ripping-the-backplate-off' difficult) and I could feel heat through the case. After taking them off, I have never had the BSOD since, although my phone feels a bit naked. I had also UNROOTED my phone but the BSOD happened a few days later (with the case on).
3.) A bit off topic but I see you are rooted on JH2. Can you please tell me how you rooted the device? I have tried the update.zip files I have found before but none of them ever work for me. Do you need to be sim unlocked for the root to work? Please advise...
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This is the post where I got my update.zip:
Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7536130&postcount=11
The steps were guide-lined here:
Originally Posted by AllGamer
Step 1. root your phone
Bell's I9000M is slightly different than the regular I9000
most of the root methods mentioned on other topics will not work.
Even the 3 button recovery mode has been disabled
After some experimentation this is the working method
download the update.zip from this topic (Thanks to jentech)
http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7536130&postcount=11
then you need to run adb devices to make sure your phone is listed
(ADB is part of Android SDK, download it from the source http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html )
if you get something like
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adb.exe devices
List of devices attached
900098c722a9 device
(if you run adb.exe devices and comes back with an empty list, then make sure you have set the phone into debugging mode Application > Settings > Development > USB Debugging)
then you are can execute
adb.exe reboot recovery
this will take you to the recovery screen
now if your device works with the Power + Volume Up + Home button, then you can skip that, however in my case the 3 button mode didn't work
select the update.zip with the volumen up down button, then hit home screen, it should say installing in yellow, then you are done, it reboots back to normal, and now you can install Busy Box
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Hope that helps
I got mine also after the "outstock" period.
Got 2, first one had weird issue, rebooted for no reason and, in the end, USb would work and, everytime I pluged it in (PC or recharge) it would reboot in a loop :S
All of this in the first week
Got it exchange and since then, no reboot, no connection issue, no "lag" and GPS is more than decent (I use it to track jogging and it's right on the spot)
Manif. date of this one is 10.09.21 (specific date on the battery, on the device itself it's 10.09, no day)
I do wonder the same thing as you do, might be a good idea to note the manif. date and if user has issue or not...It might give help to some of us with unreliable SGS get it exchanged!
If the manufacturing date gives different hardware, I would definitely send it back again to get a latest one. My replacement didn't solve the GPS issue...will talk to orange uk again tomorrow...
I agree with thread creator. My SGS works fine right at the beginning (except the lag). I see a date on the battery which is 2010.08.03.
I also think it may be hardware-related issues.
Car navigation software such as Navigon accepts an enormous range of errors though. But the errors are exposed when using GPS for fitness purposes (because if the tracks swing wildly side to side then you do the 10km jog in 7km).
I think it might be hardware these days, but waiting for froyo official to see. After that I'll return my phone as many times as necessary
apart from the gps inaccuracy, there's nothing to complain about! the sgs is simply brilliant however, i'd be happy if they put in more ram on the device :|
the gps update frequency is bad, and sometimes is terribly inaccurate
Has anyone tested, one of these phones, with a bluetooth sirf 3 gps?
I would assume, to a certain extent, that it would help prove, if it is a hardware fault or not.
Are there other factors involved, however?
@jonny_ftm just try a Froyo build. I was pretty happy with Eclair in terms of performance (of course some issues where there too, but not that many).. but froyo has some nice additions (eg: input cursor, copy text from browser, flash support, etc) but it sucks in terms of performance. Even the latest builds (JPO, JPA) seems to suck as some realistic people report.
I have ~ 150 apps in app drawer
I will check the date of manufacture of my phone later and report back.
It could be a good idea to start with this to see if there's really a trend to better hardware with later manufacturing dates.
Sadely, it is not that simple. If in mobile phone industry it works just like in PC electronics, even manufacture date of phone won't help. I explain: intel chipsets on motherboards were often "buggy" in some extent on first production. Later, they enhance the product and produce new build versions of chipset correcting hardware issues. Now, it's upon to motherboard manufacture to use the last chipset build or not. Most time, motherboard manufacture will use old chipset stocks before moving to new one.
So, if we want to know this for sure, only SN and build dates on chipsets inside the phone will be the ultimate proof. Sadely, unlike in PC world, less people open their phones to check components unless they break the screen...
Anyhow, phone manufacturing date can help as early dates would have necessarly early components. Later built phones could or not have the last chipset though.
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@jonny_ftm just try a Froyo build. I was pretty happy with Eclair in terms of performance (of course some issues where there too, but not that many).. but froyo has some nice additions (eg: input cursor, copy text from browser, flash support, etc) but it sucks in terms of performance. Even the latest builds (JPO, JPA) seems to suck as some realistic people report.
I have ~ 150 apps in app drawer
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- I won't try Froyo. Until it is final, we can't say Samsung s**ks, it is just beta testing. My phone works great with original JM7 it came with, I don't need Beta Froyo features if they make the phone unusable. Now, I understand people that need these features getting frustrated. Hopefully, it is not my case, so can't help here
- I only have around 30 applications, I think I won't have more than 50-60 include stock apps. Even a PC with quadcore CPU, 16 Gigs of extreme fast RAM, RAID setup and tons of applications/processes installed will slow down. I don't expect a tiny smartphone to do a better job there. The only OS that was rock stable despite tons of applications is Palm OS, now dead :-(
Mine had 16 6 10 on the battery and I experience the gps issue.
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Latest phone aren't struggling with lag out of the box anymore.
householddog said:
Has anyone tested, one of these phones, with a bluetooth sirf 3 gps?
I would assume, to a certain extent, that it would help prove, if it is a hardware fault or not.
Are there other factors involved, however?
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I tried using my external holux bt gps (which really kicks ass)....but to my surprise i figured android doesn't support external bt gps devices natively! so, google maps or navigation does not bother picking up gps info from the external device. android still has no support....bottom line so we're pretty much stuck with what our sgs can do! sucks i know!
Actually, from what I was led to beleive from the test in the accesories, BT GPS seems to work with everything:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=818688&highlight=GPS
See post #10
nope....even in post#10 he mentions that "in theory"! it just wouldnt work and i did a serious amount of research only to realize android doesnt support external bt based gps devices. however, i havent tried in froyo....will do it tomorrow and post if i have any luck!
All working fine here - manufacturing date 25/08/2010
Very interesting, the date manufacture theory I stated seems not that wrong from the few feedback in this thread. If we have more feedback, it will become evident, for those doubting it, that Samsung is just making fun of his customers. They don't intend to admit any defect and won't recall phones unless forced by a massive customers action.
I'm happy I got mine only in October. When I receive my microSD card, I'll open it and add my contribution with manufacturing date for my working out of the box phone.
All this means it is very bad news for people with very laggy, battery consuming and bad GPS phones
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nope....even in post#10 he mentions that "in theory"! it just wouldnt work and i did a serious amount of research only to realize android doesnt support external bt based gps devices. however, i havent tried in froyo....will do it tomorrow and post if i have any luck!
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Just install Bluetooth GPS Provider. It's simple.
Hi today I bough a Samsung vibrant from T-Mobile an the date on the box is 10/26/10 and it came already updated software and I truer the GPS and its perfect locked in 8 seconds and while I was driving it kept on the road spot on. I had vibrants before maybe 4 of them and the back cover is smooth I think the ones I had before I fulfilled feel the dots now its smooth. I think they changed the phone internals becouse even the vibrants I had before after update the GPS was crap. Anyone had any experiance?
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Mine locks pretty quick too, I never had any GPS problems since I got the phone two weeks ago.
So does that mean the rest of us that got our phone, few months back are screwed?
That's what owning a samsung phone is like always getting screwed. The days are numberd
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What?! Does this mean we wont get a fix for the other people? I'm always travelling and GPS is one of the most useful things I need... my old blackberry has a perfect GPS isn't this meant to be a smartphone
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The thing is that all the phones have something wrong or screwed IP there is no phone that is perfect its just us we are beeping to perfectionists.
My wife and I got ours on the buy 1 get 1 free deal. Ours are both dated 09/26/2010. The SIM Serial # on hers ends in 22288F and mine end in 22296F.
It takes me about 45 second to a minute to get a lock running Axura 2.0.4 and I got a lock using 6 of 7 satellites with accuracy of about 70 feet.
My brother-in-law standing right next to me with a HTC Dream G1 locked on 12 of 14 satellites in about 9 -10 seconds and a accuracy of 10 feet running stock.
My wife running stock saw 2 satellites and never got a lock.
EDIT: This thread is now depreciated. Please visit http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878970 for a fix. I thought I would put the edit here so you don't have to read to page 7 to see the link to the fix.
they didnt change the antenna..give it a few days and i gurantee u it wont work as good
My gps has worked since day one
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You did not buy a GPS Receiver, you bought a phone with a GPS antenna which is used to track your movement. It just also happens to receive signals from GPS satellites that you are able to use. If you require dead on GPS location then you should go buy a GPS Receiver.
Think of all the things this phone does. It doesn't do any of them better than a device designed to do just that. All-in-one devices are never as good as the devices they are designed to combine.
Zylograth said:
You did not buy a GPS Receiver, you bought a phone with a GPS antenna which is used to track your movement. It just also happens to receive signals from GPS satellites that you are able to use.
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That is correct, BUT when pretty much EVERY other Android phone on the market out performs it in this aspect, there is a flaw in the system. As stated, the G1 locks on faster & stays locked on much better than this phone.
With that said, I tell the GPS where I want to go, and by the time I've left my neighborhood, it's working great. The fact that it takes 10 times longer to lock on doesn't really matter to me.
Using all of the Bionix ROMs and now using the Axura 2.0.5 ROMs, I've been happy with my GPS. When I was using complete stock, it was crap. IIRC, JI6 wasn't bad though.
I'm currently playing with a friends Galaxy Tab and inside nowhere near a window, it locked on and showed my location without the wireless network assist or verizon location assist being turned on (but that could just be because the phone is bigger and would therefore use a larger antenna).
It's just sad what has happened to businesses, they really just don't care about consumers. I really doubt we'll ever see a fix and if we do, i doubt it'll work for more than 50% of people. I've never been so disappointed with a company. The only thing we can do is just never buy samsung again. Just so disappointing all around.
Microwave frequencies antenna design is fraught with both peril and magic
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I'm currently playing with a friends Galaxy Tab and inside nowhere near a window, it locked on and showed my location without the wireless network assist or verizon location assist being turned on (but that could just be because the phone is bigger and would therefore use a larger antenna).
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NOPE! All antennas must be designed with a physical length that matches the frequency they are designed to operate at. For GPS this is 1575.42 Mhz and therefore due to the physics of radio frequency ALL GPS antennas are about 7.5 inches long, they have to be to work. Antennas typically work better if they are designed with some type of coil (wrapped around something) so by the time you take 7.5 inches of wire and coil it the resulting antenna is quite small. You can also make a panel antenna by creating a trace of conductive line on a flat surface, but the length still has to be the same to work. Regardless of the size of the device it is going into, if you want the antenna to work at a specific frequency it must be a specific length - end of discussion.
So if the GPS issue varies from phone to phone so much, assuming the antenna is the problem, but it can be affected by software, what is likely the problem? Logic would say that it might be either poor quality control in manufacturing causing slight variances in length (at 1575.42 Mhz a small difference in length can make a big difference) or a design that partially obstructs the antenna. Software can not fix the physical antenna issue, but it can compensate by attempting to filter noise better thus increasing the receiver sensitivity, boosting transmit power, or by shifting phase of the signal to make minor adjustments to the effective conductive length of the antenna.
Another possible issue (but less likely because I see no way for software to effect this) is that Samsung did not get a good impedance match between their antenna and their radio. If this was the case you would lose a great deal of signal to and create a lot of noise because of reflective power. Transmitting at a lower power would reduce over all signal, and boosting power would just create a greater reflective power problem.
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I too am a replacement Vibrant GPS lover now. Both phones were stock. It has been a week with the new phone and I have not seen any decrease in the GPS performance yet. The old phone had mic issues
I have read many of the GPS posts, but will admit I have not read them all so I don't know if this was talked about yet. While outside tonight as I was doing my daily test I turned the phone upside down so screen is facing the ground and my signal improved from the mid 30's of the "in use" sats to the low to mid 40's. It was nice to see a lot of green for a change. Accuracy improved too. Not sure how the GPS gear is mounted in the phone, but it sure looks like there is a lot stronger signal coming in the the back side then the screen side.
My "use wireless networks" is off
I did this test a number of times while keeping the phone the same distance from the ground. Same results. If there is any other questions or other tests I would be happy to do what I can.
So there you go, the GPS works great, we all just need to hold the phone above our heads..
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You did not buy a GPS Receiver, you bought a phone with a GPS antenna which is used to track your movement. It just also happens to receive signals from GPS satellites that you are able to use. If you require dead on GPS location then you should go buy a GPS Receiver.
Think of all the things this phone does. It doesn't do any of them better than a device designed to do just that. All-in-one devices are never as good as the devices they are designed to combine.
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My g1 and mytouch 3g and nexus all had great GPS. The sgs is advertised as the premier device. We have every reason to expect GPS to work and we have absolutely no reason to think one of the advertised features will be broken. GPS is a huge part of smartphones, and since its proven to work on thousands of handsets for years it should work on our vibrants. Maybe new technology gets flexibility but this is GPS we are talking about, its been done and been done perfectly a thousand times over. The phone has plenty of small bugs which is acceptable. Its not acceptable for GPS to be f****d. I think even Samsung would say its unacceptable that I have to carry around my nexus one for its GPS. My vibrant works until I'm about 2/3 of the way to my destination. So basically my screen starts spinning when I'm about as lost as possible. Thank God for my nexus one
GPS on the Vibrant is not a hardware issue. If they have change the hardware, which I doubt, it wouldn't have fixed anything unless they also changed the software. And if they've fixed the software -- which they did in JI2 and JI6 for most people -- then we'll get that fix with the official 2.2 release. OR you could just flash a custom wrong and get good GPS now.
Hi this is the software I have on the phone.
Firmware version. 2.1-update1
Baseband version. T959UVJI6
Karnel version. 2.6.29
Build number. ECLAIR.UVJI6
I don't know if anything diferrent.
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I don't understand the comparison to other devices and talk of "I'll never buy another Samsung device."
Since the Galaxy's screen demolishes the competition, I guess the rest of the manufacturers out the are just junk. They are supposed to be top of the line devices so their screen should be as good as this subpar samsung.
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My GPS has worked since day one.
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But certainly Samsung should be better at fixes and T-mobile couldn't be any slower.
Still by far the best device I've ever had, and I had a lot. Axura
And Froyo pull it all together.
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Before I start, I will admit, this is not the simplest way to go about this but it worked - this is also meant as a bit of humor as I, like you, have spent countless hours trying to 'fix' my GPS and the posts on here are comical with people getting angry about alleged fixes.
Here Goes....
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Step 1: Brick Phone - for everyone out there that is about to say "it is impossible to brick your phone"...go right ahead, say that, but just wait until you really do it. For those wondering what a truly bricked phone looks like, well, it is a phone that won't pass the AT&T screen on boot and attempting to enter Download or Recovery mode gets you a picture of the battery charging icon but fully dead and the spinning graphic not spinning
Step 2: Take phone to AT&T Handset Service Center (Thankfully we have one here and didn't have to do the mail in route)
Step 3: Exchange (under warranty - mind you, three guys all attempted to get into recovery mode and shook their heads with a look of "it is impossible to brick one of these" looks
Step 4: Take new phone outside, enable GPS
Step 5: Have lock in 3 seconds - now, for all of you who say "lock doesn't mean sh*t"...great point, my old one locked fast but had me driving in the middle of nowhere
Step 6: Drive with Google Maps and viola, I am on the right road, going the right direction and turning at the right places.
So, all you hunting for a software fix, I tried them all on my old phone, they didn't help, this is NOT a software issue, I am now convinced, more than ever, that it is in the hardware.
I said there is probably a simpler way to do this, if your phone is under warranty I would recommend swapping it out. I can't guarantee that they would swap it for just a "GPS Issue", and I wish I could tell you how I really bricked the phone....that process went something like this in case you really want to try it.
Flash to Stock
Boot into Recovery
Load ClockWork
Reboot
Flash Axura2.1RC2
Flash Fails
Attempt to boot phone - going to reflash to stock and try again
Start Cursing
Attempt to get into Download
Battery Dies in the process
Spend 4 hours attempting every trick to get into Download or Recovery
and Viola...bricked.
Still not sure why the flash failed, got a weird error but that doesn't matter, it got me a new ("refurbished") phone with a GPS that is dead on.
BTW - If you are curious, I haven't touched the settings in LbsTestMode, I am using that supposedly bad SUPL spirent-lcs.
just curious... what is your build number?
EDIT: lastdeadmouse and I did plan this in advance
Everyone will tell you in a few days it will be bad as ever... How can you be convinced that it's hardware related? Do we have any evidence that Samsung started using a different chip somewhere along the process? Seems pretty unlikely tbh. Not to rain on your parade or anything but... yeah. Enjoy the GPS as long as its working for you!
I'm curious. What is the build number of your new refurbished cap?
EDIT:I swear life02 and I didn't plan this in advance
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Everyone will tell you in a few days it will be bad as ever... How can you be convinced that it's hardware related? Do we have any evidence that Samsung started using a different chip somewhere along the process? Seems pretty unlikely tbh. Not to rain on your parade or anything but... yeah. Enjoy the GPS as long as its working for you!
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I am convinced because 50% of the people have no problems and tout how great their phones are. The other 50% can't get them to work.
Software is non-discriminating, it doesn't know who you are, but it surely knows what hardware is in there.
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I have heard stories in the past of people making the same claim as you only to re-post a week later and say their "perfect" GPS is now losing locks, etc. etc.
re: jwood55812. They don't necessarily have to design a new chip, it could be a quality control issue where defective chips weren't being intercepted. **could be**
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I am convinced because 50% of the people have no problems and tout how great their phones are. The other 50% can't get them to work.
Software is non-discriminating, it doesn't know who you are, but it surely knows what hardware is in there.
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I have always attributed this to the ambiguity of the term "great." When I first got my phone, I said, wow, this is great! Found a lock in 30 seconds. What are all these people talking about? Then I tried to use it everyday downtown for navigation, and, well, I hate it. These people that say it is great, I just don't think they have stressed it hard enough / understand what we are really complaining about.
Is the new phone a captivate? Because i just got my captivate and i have the same stupid issue on google maps where it just drives around randomly and does not stay on the road.
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I'm curious. What is the build number of your new refurbished cap?
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Nice one....you two are in tandem...
Now, can one of you tell me where I would find the build number....I am guessing it is on this label under the battery but which number do you want?
As for the idea that they need new chips to fix the issue, that would assume that it is chip related and not poor antenna placement (that never happens) or poor soldering on the board, or just plain poor Quality Control in general.
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Nice one....you two are in tandem...
Now, can one of you tell me where I would find the build number....I am guessing it is on this label under the battery but which number do you want?
As for the idea that they need new chips to fix the issue, that would assume that it is chip related and not poor antenna placement (that never happens) or poor soldering on the board, or just plain poor Quality Control in general.
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Look under the battery. Mine is 1008. I suspect yours is 1010?
10XX. What's the XX?
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Look under the battery. Mine is 1008. I suspect yours is 1010?
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Nope, 1008 here. BUT, this is a refurbished unit, received yesterday by the Service Center (they didn't carry replacements until yesterday - good timing on my brick).
Since it is refurbished there is not telling what is really inside the phone, if anything had to be changed OR if the original owner of this fine device had a good one to start with.
Hmm mine is 1009 and if they have a 1010 that fixes it then i want that to replace my 1009.
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Hmm mine is 1009 and if they have a 1010 that fixes it then i want that to replace my 1009.
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Mine's 1010, and my GPS has never worked for [email protected] Well, does kind of, on occasion, but too be honest, I was on the stock rom for all of... the time it took to charge, lol.
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Mine's 1010, and my GPS has never worked for [email protected] Well, does kind of, on occasion, but too be honest, I was on the stock rom for all of... the time it took to charge, lol.
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I verified it worked on the stock ROM, then flashed it, still works like a champ...this ROM is Vibrant based so in theory both the Galaxy and Vibrant code works fine.
On my last phone, it NEVER worked, not the first day and not it's last day.
Okay guys, I'll make it simple through a few principles.
1. GPS is broken on the hardware end. The hardware will never have the performance of comparable units.
2. Every GPS unit will be affected by a number of factors. Must of these factors go unnoticed, because if the GPS is already functional, a 10% increase in performance has no practical benefit.
3. Here at XDA forums many people have speculated on factors that increase or decrease GPS performance. This is only possible because our hardware is broken, and as such, a 10% increase in performance for such a borderline product is practically useful and noticeable.
4. We are stuck with 10% differences and will never have a fully functional GPS.
A good recent example to back it up: hardcore recently discovered a few kernel scheduler tweaks that improves GPS performance. Would anyone have discovered that in a device that had a functional GPS? No. Does it fix GPS? No. Is it a little bit better (~10%?). Probably.
Here's some speculation on what might be going on in here: There may be a +/- 20% swing in GPS performance depending on manufacturing conditions. Because our GPS is broken, we can tell a difference between two products with different build #'s. pmessana, your old device was probably a -20% swing that resulted in a completely defective GPS unit for which returning it was useful
A functional GPS unit should be able to tolerate a few hits, such as minute differences in manufacturing conditions. Our GPS is broken and there are no fixes, just things that help a little bit
Incidentally, this also means that once you do a negative factor, your GPS will fail again. If your GPS is working it is borderline and a -20% hit will push it over the edge. This is why it is useful to see if it still works in a week and not just take a 1 day experience.
Take home message: GPS displays every feature of a borderline functioning system, very sensitive to minute hits
Shame for a phone that is as good as this to have a malfunctioning GPS. Guess i will stop recommending the phone to everyone that grabs it and marvels at it.
Coudn't agree more, there is a defect in there and only the lucky ones get functioning units. Those waiting for a software fix will be waiting forever.
I recommend the phone only to people that aren't tied to their GPS, I tell them straight up, the GPS sucks, the phone rocks, if you want a cool phone that has you in the middle of nowhere, this is it.
I would recommend everyone with a malfunctioning GPS return the phone for a new one, take your chances and if nothing else, Samsung will maybe address it with a giant warranty rate.
i have a 1006 unit and my GPS is also crap... i came from a iphone with GPS that never let me down i love the phone alot more than my iphone... but now im looking for something else to replace this thing with... i should wait and not be an early adopter next time...
I don't see this as Android Development.. The GPS works for me occasionally and I have older units than you guys do :T depending on my ROM.
I still believe in a software fix. :T
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re: jwood55812. They don't necessarily have to design a new chip, it could be a quality control issue where defective chips weren't being intercepted. **could be**
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Fair enough fatttire, honestly hadn't thought about something like that, I guess I'm naive enough to think that its hopefully software related because then a fix will help everyone, but who knows, I guess I honestly don't use many location based services so its not a super big deal for me.
I’ve mentioned some of this in other threads and I realize I maybe the only person who’s primary perpose for having a HDX 7 is to use as a GPS. Here’s the reason. I want something with a larger screen than the typical GPS. It’s going to be used on my motorcycles, street and off road. It needs to have a water proof or at least a water resistance case that is somewhat rugged. Incipio makes a case like that for the HDX 7 and the HDX’s screen is decent outside. Not too many of these type cases available for 7” / 8” tablets. I know Sony has the Xperia Compact that is water proof but I can’t find any type of rugged case for it. Lifeproof makes a water proof case for the Ipad minis and from what I read they do a great job as a GPS. I just don’t think I can buy an Apple product, it may come to that, I hope not.
The problem with my HDX is that it erratically loses fixes on the satellites. It may have a fix on 14 out of 21 satellites for 30 minutes then suddenly 0 out of 21. It may regain enough fixes to get a location but usually not as many as the previous. If I disable the location services then restart them it usually will get a fix again for some unknown amount of time. I do all of this with WiFi off. My HDX 7 is rooted with 4.5.2 . I also have disabled OTA and installed Google GApps . During the GApps installation I overwrote files when prompted. One member stated they did not do this. Can anyone think of anything I’ve done or doing wrong. If someone could provide the stock files to put them back in place of the GApps files I could try that. Or is this just a characteristic of this tablet’s GPS sensors? I read somewhere the HDX 7 LTE has “ A” type GPS sensors which don’t work as well as the others. I use the GPS Status app on my phone and on this tablet as a comparison tool and my phone very rarely loses its fix and if does, it comes right back.
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Ken
I don't have any actual working experience with the GPS on a HDX LTE. However, from personal experiences with smartphones' GPS, they tend to run extremely hot when active. They would also exhibit the same type of symptoms and performance issues you've described when they overheat with any extended usage. Ensuring that there's maximum ventilation all around the phone is crucial. Enclosing them in sealed/tight-fitting protective cases, waterproof skins, and/or leather/plastic/fabric cases only diminish their cooling capability and aggravate the problem. Not sure if this is the case with your HDX LTE, but FYI anyway, and you might monitor its operating temperatures more closely.
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I don't have any actual working experience with the GPS on a HDX LTE. However, from personal experiences with smartphones' GPS, they tend to run extremely hot when active. They would also exhibit the same type of symptoms and performance issues you've described when they overheat with any extended usage. Ensuring that there's maximum ventilation all around the phone is crucial. Enclosing them in sealed/tight-fitting protective cases, waterproof skins, and/or leather/plastic/fabric cases only diminish their cooling capability and aggravate the problem. Not sure if this is the case with your HDX LTE, but FYI anyway, and you might monitor its operating temperatures more closely.
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Thanks tl3 for the info. I have read about the possible heat issue. I think that's a bigger problem when using cellular data and GPS to view online maps. This is sometimes happening in the first 5 minutes of operation or less with no WiFi and no cellular data. Also on those occasions where it maintains a fix for 30 minutes or so the tablet is not hot or even noticeably warm.
Ken
emgo said:
... sometimes happening in the first 5 minutes of operation or less with no WiFi and no cellular data. Also on those occasions where it maintains a fix for 30 minutes or so the tablet is not hot or even noticeably warm.
Ken
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Doesn't sound like an overheating issue then. The orientation of the tablet/GPS antenna has an effect on the GPS performance and abilities to acquire and sync with the GPS satellites. Optimal reception requires clear line-of-sight paths with the satellites--dense tall buildings and/or trees do impact the GPS functional capabilities. FYI.
I have two ideas. First, to get the files back, you could always upgrade to 4.5.3, and then downgrade and upgrade again and root. Be careful playing with system files as you could easily brick the device if you forget to set your permissions correctly.
There is however a huge chance that the files are not the problem. Gps was an afterthought on this device, and not implemented well at all. There are many reports of gps not working correctly if you have gapps running at the same time.
So, block gapps while you ride and see if that helps.
Another option would be to purchase an external gps. I am thinking this would be the best option although, you would need bluetooth, and the bluetooth implementation is not too stable either.
Good luck.
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Thank y'all for the help. I'm going to undo the OTA block and upgrade. Then I'll try a couple of GPS apps form the Amazon app store and see how the GPS works with all stock files. If it's no better they'll be a Kindle HDX 7 with the latest software and a new Incipio case for sale on the Bay.
Ken
emgo said:
Thank y'all for the help. I'm going to undo the OTA block and upgrade. Then I'll try a couple of GPS apps form the Amazon app store and see how the GPS works with all stock files. If it's no better they'll be a Kindle HDX 7 with the latest software and a new Incipio case for sale on the Bay.
Ken
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Keep in mind you can side load the GPS app of your choice if not available in the Amazon app store. Most will run fine on stock Fire OS. Paid apps can be a problem especially those available exclusively through the Play Store. You have to get creative. To be clear I'm not talking about cracking or ripping off. Sometimes reaching out to the developer will yield a solution.
The other issue to be careful of is that in app purchases do not transfer well if purchased from the play store (unless you are rooted and have a fully functioning play store).
On another note, I was thinking of this thread last night as was outside taking the snowthrower attachment off my lawn tractor and getting the mower deck on for the summer.
I was using my original nexus 7 as a source for the literature. I have an incipio case on it with a zagg screen protector. The grease washed off pretty easily.
The screen on my nexus pails in comparison to the Kindle however.
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Yesterday I tried to enable the OTA by renaming it back to the original “DeviceSoftwareOTA.apk” so I could update to 4.5.3 . I rebooted, checked for updates and got the message “no updates found”. I downloaded an app from the Amazon mothership just to make sure my HDX was connecting to my account. The app downloaded and installed with no problem. Anyone got any ideals why it won't update from 4.5.2 to 4.5.3?
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Ken
emgo said:
Yesterday I tried to enable the OTA by renaming it back to the original “DeviceSoftwareOTA.apk” so I could update to 4.5.3 . I rebooted, checked for updates and got the message “no updates found”. I downloaded an app from the Amazon mothership just to make sure my HDX was connecting to my account. The app downloaded and installed with no problem. Anyone got any ideals why it won't update from 4.5.2 to 4.5.3?
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Ken
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Their system may be similar to Google's (i.e. the OTA won't download if the /system partition has been modified).
EncryptedCurse said:
Their system may be similar to Google's (i.e. the OTA won't download if the /system partition has been modified).
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So when I installed the Play Store I modified or could have modified the system partition? If so can I return it to the stock partition?
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You could try to force the update by downloading one of the oem images and sideloading it onto the root of the sdcard. You should only do this with 3.2.8, 4.5.2, or 4.5.3.
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Yesterday I was able to side load the 4.5.3 image, I did a factory reset, signed back in to Amazon and downloaded a GPS Status type app. Still having the same problem. I think I’ve thrown enough time at this and for now I’m giving on the ideal of big screen GPS. I’ll watch this thread for a while in case someone has other suggestions or another member is having great success or similar problems.
Thanks for everyone’s help,
Ken
emgo said:
Yesterday I was able to side load the 4.5.3 image, I did a factory reset, signed back in to Amazon and downloaded a GPS Status type app. Still having the same problem. I think I’ve thrown enough time at this and for now I’m giving on the ideal of big screen GPS. I’ll watch this thread for a while in case someone has other suggestions or another member is having great success or similar problems.
Thanks for everyone’s help,
Ken
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Hey Ken, been following your story and may have contributed an idea or two along the way. Another poster mentioned an external GPS w/bluetooth. Although a bit pricey the BT-Q818 series from QStarz has strong reviews and seems to get the job done; decent battery life too. The receiver could live just about anywhere on your ride minimizing clutter. Toss in an inexpensive power pack and you could probably go for many days without having to recharge. Obviously throwing more coin at this project is the last thing you want to do but the big screen, great case and experience you gathered over the past few weeks might make one more go worth the effort. Amazon is pretty good about returns during the first 30 days if it doesn't work out. Just an idea ...
BTW - at least one review from an HDX owner on a less expensive device (here).
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Hey Ken, been following your story and may have contributed an idea or two along the way. Another poster mentioned an external GPS w/bluetooth. Although a bit pricey the BT-Q818 series from QStarz has strong reviews and seems to get the job done; decent battery life too. The receiver could live just about anywhere on your ride minimizing clutter. Toss in an inexpensive power pack and you could probably go for many days without having to recharge. Obviously throwing more coin at this project is the last thing you want to do but the big screen, great case and experience you gathered over the past few weeks might make one more go worth the effort. Amazon is pretty good about returns during the first 30 days if it doesn't work out. Just an idea ...
BTW - at least one review from an HDX owner on a less expensive device (here).
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Thanks Davey,
I'm a gadget nut but in this case I don't want to add another gadget especially on my off road bike. I'll probably get a water proof GPS. That will work fine for my use, just wanted something with a larger screen because it's easier to plan or modify routes on a larger screen.
Thanks
Ken
emgo said:
Thanks Davey,
I'm a gadget nut but in this case I don't want to add another gadget especially on my off road bike. I'll probably get a water proof GPS. That will work fine for my use, just wanted something with a larger screen because it's easier to plan or modify routes on a larger screen.
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Ken
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Hi Ken - don't know if you are keeping tabs on this forum and hung on to your HDX. If so a new rom is in the works that may provide the gps capability you were seeking assuming hardware is up to the task. It will be a bit before a variation is ready that is compatible with your firmware. Just wanted to give you a heads-up. Hope wheels and road are treating you well.
Thanks, Davey126 that's great news. I still have it mostly because I've been too lazy to put it on eBay. I'll hang on to it a while longer and maybe I'll get lucky with the new ROM. Will that information be posted in the developer thread or here?
Ken
It's in the developer nd Q&A thread.
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It's in the developer nd Q&A thread.
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As usual I'm confused. If I'm reading the correct thread I need an unlocked boot loader before I can flash the ROM. Is an unlocked boot loader now possible on 4.5.3?
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Ken
No, but you will soon possibly be able to run safestrap.