10 incorrect unlock patterns deletes data? I just viewed this in youtube and now im a bit hesitant. What if the phone was stolen? They can still use it?? How secure is that??
http://youtu.be/jHwQf4-bJzAy
That why you report it lost or stolen
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The video isn't working but that's just stupid if true. What if your friend is ****ing around just trying to lock it and make you wait like on iPhone and there goes all the data
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This is a horrible feature if true, if your phone is stolen the thief can reset it and have a brand new phone like he got it out of the shop
Well by reporting it stolen it would be known to carriers as a stolen phone and the IMEI would be registered
This has already been discussed in depth including the option to disable it. When the security of the data on the device is more important than the device itself, the feature is a wanted/required one. Most people would rather the phone not self destruct though.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701911
I just tried this on my phone and it didn't do anything. After 5 attempts I had to wait30 seconds and then after another5 it said you incorrectly entered the pattern 10 times and had to wait another30 seconds
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l7777 said:
This has already been discussed in depth including the option to disable it. When the security of the data on the device is more important than the device itself, the feature is a wanted/required one. Most people would rather the phone not self destruct though.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701911
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Thanks for the info
After permanenty locked you enter your email and password,
Is this present in every variant of m8? And no way to disable the automatic wiping of data without root? :-/
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vari9 said:
Is this present in every variant of m8? And no way to disable the automatic wiping of data without root? :-/
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Unknown, I can only confirm the Verizon variant. It appears to be an android setting though not an HTC centric one.
Mine doesn't show the "delete waring" and isn't resetting anything. My phone is unbranded and stock rom.
Asmund said:
Mine doesn't show the "delete waring" and isn't resetting anything. My phone is unbranded and stock rom.
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You only really get it if you're using Exchange as email. I never had this "8 tries left before resetting phone" until I added my work email. If you have your work email and this is happening to you it's probably because your work requires that level of security. If you want to avoid it, just don't add your work email. There are ways to bypass it if you root, however some times (depending on admins) your job's IT dept can tell and you may have issues keeping said job.
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You only really get it if you're using Exchange as email. I never had this "8 tries left before resetting phone" until I added my work email. If you have your work email and this is happening to you it's probably because your work requires that level of security. If you want to avoid it, just don't add your work email. There are ways to bypass it if you root, however some times (depending on admins) your job's IT dept can tell and you may have issues keeping said job.
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My phone is in fact set up for my work Exchange mail. Maybe some security is disabled in the Exchange server settings...
Asmund said:
My phone is in fact set up for my work Exchange mail. Maybe some security is disabled in the Exchange server settings...
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Yeah I'd bet you anything that's what it is. My previous job used exchange as well but they did not have security enabled. As soon as I moved into my new job I had to set up a pin. It's a choice your employer's IT dept does whether by regulation or just more security-aware.
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You only really get it if you're using Exchange as email. I never had this "8 tries left before resetting phone" until I added my work email. If you have your work email and this is happening to you it's probably because your work requires that level of security. If you want to avoid it, just don't add your work email. There are ways to bypass it if you root, however some times (depending on admins) your job's IT dept can tell and you may have issues keeping said job.
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Yeah I'd bet you anything that's what it is. My previous job used exchange as well but they did not have security enabled. As soon as I moved into my new job I had to set up a pin. It's a choice your employer's IT dept does whether by regulation or just more security-aware.
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My phone is in fact set up for my work Exchange mail. Maybe some security is disabled in the Exchange server settings...
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Exchange security can manipulate the settings but it appears to be enabled by default in Verizon's variant.
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I am curios what this is? Under location and security there is a tab called select device administrators. When I click on it it shows email and a box for me to check. What does this do? This is only on 2.2 thanks.
Im wondering the same thing...help?
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I have seen this on my wife's phone running CM6.1. She has her work e-mail going to the phone, but part of their requirements to allow employees have the mail on their phone is that their IT dept has to be a phone admin so they can wipe sensitive data remotely in case the is lost or stolen.
Yeah I read some other threads about it when I googles it but I didn't understand what they were saying. The only thing I got was it adds security to the app thru wave secure. Don't know if I'm completely right. I checked the email app that was under it and activated it but I didn't notice anything.
First off I take no credit for this at all. All credit goes to Rsotbiemrptson who is a Jedi master for creating this after many have tried and failed.
What you have here is a flashable crack to the HTC Mail.apk that will bypass any and all security administrators that may be otherwise forced onto your device when syncing to an exchange server.
To install:
1. You must remove all mail accounts that you have set up in the Mail app.
2. If you have any existing security administrators present from a previous exchange sync deactivate them.
3. Set your lock time out to none under security settings.
4. Reboot into recovery and wipe Dalvik Cache
5. Flash the attached file.
As with all mods or changes to ROMS do a complete backup in recovery.
If you find this useful please send all thanks to Rsotbiemrptson for cracking this bad boy.
Has anyone tried this?
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Has anyone tried this?
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I don't really understand the point of it. Is there something wrong with Exchange on the Tbolt? Mine works fine.
Shiftyshadee said:
I don't really understand the point of it. Is there something wrong with Exchange on the Tbolt? Mine works fine.
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This is for people who want to use their Exchange account on their Tbolt, but DON'T want to give their Exchange admin the ability to enforce security policies on their phone (like having to enter a PIN every time you unlock the screen). Sounds like your Exchange admin doesn't implement any of those policies, so you don't need this.
Is this something that was implemented in newer versions of Exchange? I think my company uses 2007 still. Might be why I haven't seen this.
i managed to get my gmail, hotmail an windjammercable mail setup though exchange on my thunderbolt, but i kept getting sync errors where it would try to sync all three emails like every 5 seconds when the phone was operating in peak time. My battery went from like 100 to like 75 in less than 20 minutes So i had to just delete all the email setting i changed an go back to what i had before.
Now, if install your mail akp will this stop the sync errors?
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Is this something that was implemented in newer versions of Exchange? I think my company uses 2007 still. Might be why I haven't seen this.
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It's been around since at least the 2003 version but it's all optional settings, your admin may just not have them enabled. Mine doesn't.
Jacquestrapp said:
It's been around since at least the 2003 version but it's all optional settings, your admin may just not have them enabled. Mine doesn't.
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Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up for me
This absolutely works on all DAS BAMF roms but should work on any ROM including stock. You only need this if you have exchange policies pushed to your phone by your company. If you don't know what this is you prob don't need it.
I do not know if it will fix the afore mentioned sync errors but I would doubt it.
Here's a new question. When I had CM7 on my Incredible, Exchange wanted to setup device admin rights. Now on my Tbolt with Sense I don't get asked. Any idea why?
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This absolutely works on all DAS BAMF roms but should work on any ROM including stock. You only need this if you have exchange policies pushed to your phone by your company. If you don't know what this is you prob don't need it.
I do not know if it will fix the afore mentioned sync errors but I would doubt it.
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I have installed this on DAS BAMF remix v1.4 and it does work so far. I was able to remove the PIN lock and use a pattern lock, which was not permitted before. Also, I didn't get the exchange security policy notice when I added my exchange account. Syncing appears to be working properly as well so far.
The mod is quite honestly ridiculous. Whats the point of trying to have security setup and protect possible sensitive information, when you don't want an Admin to enforce security rights.
This 100% defeats the purpose that was set in place by Exchange for good reason's. I sure hope everyone understands the SERIOUS consequences of what could happen by flashing this and possibly leak sensitive data into the wrong hands.
^^ it's a very good point. One of the problems with AS and lock screens is that with the default client and iPhones you have to pin to unlock even the phone. Nothing to do with email, just the darn phone. So everyone hates it. I use Touchdown which only requires a pin if you go to check email. But it's $20. Anyway, be careful with hacks that bypass security in a workplace. It could be cause for termination.
I love my phone, I've loved ALL my devices... Yes, I use it for work with MS Exchange email (MS Consultant), and yes the pin/password policies are annoying.
But I'm not about to risk my job over some "hassle" of 3 seconds to enter a pin. Aren't our email Administrators able to see we bypassed this or no?
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The mod is quite honestly ridiculous. Whats the point of trying to have security setup and protect possible sensitive information, when you don't want an Admin to enforce security rights.
This 100% defeats the purpose that was set in place by Exchange for good reason's. I sure hope everyone understands the SERIOUS consequences of what could happen by flashing this and possibly leak sensitive data into the wrong hands.
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To be honest, if someone wanted my data or emails a stupid 4 digit pin is not going to stop them. There are many ways in getting a persons email off of there phone without even unlocking it. This seems like it is for those small companies who's admins are security freaks and its really not needed. Granted, I am sure apple would not be happy if an employee used this app or an android phone lol
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It is important to keep sensitive data secure. I think a properly set up pattern lock is as good as a 4 digit PIN. I use lookout to be able to remotely wipe if needed.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! Hats off to the dev.
Do I have to remove gmail accounts too, or just the active sync exchange accounts?
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To be honest, if someone wanted my data or emails a stupid 4 digit pin is not going to stop them. There are many ways in getting a persons email off of there phone without even unlocking it. This seems like it is for those small companies who's admins are security freaks and its really not needed. Granted, I am sure apple would not be happy if an employee used this app or an android phone lol
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Let them get in hacking your password/pin, you won't be held responsible. However if you have the phone pin/password disabled and they realize this you will be terminated. They will be able to see that you are bypassing security measures, and you could have lawsuit on your hands as well.
Please dont think that I am bashing the dev, I'm simply trying to let people know that they very well could and most likely lose their job and have possible legal action taken against them for using this. Cellphones are such a volatile thing anyhow, but giving them an easier way in is not a good idea, especially not while breaking company policy.
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Let them get in hacking your password/pin, you won't be held responsible. However if you have the phone pin/password disabled and they realize this you will be terminated. They will be able to see that you are bypassing security measures, and you could have lawsuit on your hands as well.
Please dont think that I am bashing the dev, I'm simply trying to let people know that they very well could and most likely lose their job and have possible legal action taken against them for using this. Cellphones are such a volatile thing anyhow, but giving them an easier way in is not a good idea, especially not while breaking company policy.
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Like I said, they don't even Ned to unlock your phone e to read the emails on of. Google it.
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I have a Nexus 10. I wanted to add my corporate email to the device. When I did I was told I had to add a pin number and encrypt the device. I performed both of these actions no problem. I rebooted the device twice during all of this and was able to enter my pin successfully and use the device.
Fast forward to this afternoon. After using the device for awhile I determined that the slowness caused by the encryption was no longer worth having my corporate account on the device.
I go into Settings and delete the corporate account. I tried to go into Security to remove the pin and encryption but both were greyed out. I thought all I had to do was reboot the device and I would be able to disable both.
I rebooted and now I'm stuck at the "Type password to decrypt storage". My pin no longer works on this screen. It keeps giving me a response of "Try again."
Does anyone know what's going on or how I can fix this?
I'm guessing the security is messed up (somehow, don't know how) from removing the corporate account.
But, just for future reference, the only way to remove encryption from an Android device is to factory reset it. It's not as simple as just going into security and removing encryption.
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I'm guessing the security is messed up (somehow, don't know how) from removing the corporate account.
But, just for future reference, the only way to remove encryption from an Android device is to factory reset it. It's not as simple as just going into security and removing encryption.
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I heard and seen otherwise. I was shown, by someone who has a Nexus 10, that you can remove the encryption as long as you remove the account and removed the device from the OWA site.
Unfortunately, that person is no longer available to me to help.
So basically I'm screwed and all of my information on the device is gone. No one else has any thoughts?
Well, your data is probably lost, but you can easily factory reset it from recovery.
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I heard and seen otherwise. I was shown, by someone who has a Nexus 10, that you can remove the encryption as long as you remove the account and removed the device from the OWA site.
Unfortunately, that person is no longer available to me to help.
So basically I'm screwed and all of my information on the device is gone. No one else has any thoughts?
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I think you can skip the password via adb. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1800799
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I think you can skip the password via adb. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1800799
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Unless I misread, or misunderstood it looks like that'll only work for *pattern* unlock not pin.
Edit: Nevermind, it looks like this post in that thread might have your answer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30285850&postcount=12
To the OP, if it's a simple pin, a brute force script or program could make short work of it in minutes (or hours at most; depending on length of password).
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I heard and seen otherwise. I was shown, by someone who has a Nexus 10, that you can remove the encryption as long as you remove the account and removed the device from the OWA site.
Unfortunately, that person is no longer available to me to help.
So basically I'm screwed and all of my information on the device is gone. No one else has any thoughts?
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You saw a way to remove certificates for your corporate email account, not remove encryption from your device.
There is only one way to remove device encryption, and that is by factory reset, by design. It wouldn't be very secure otherwise.
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I heard and seen otherwise. I was shown, by someone who has a Nexus 10, that you can remove the encryption as long as you remove the account and removed the device from the OWA site.
Unfortunately, that person is no longer available to me to help.
So basically I'm screwed and all of my information on the device is gone. No one else has any thoughts?
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Sorry, you heard wrong, or you were listening to a fruitcake. By definition you cannot "remove" encryption. It changes the whole file.
Think of it like this. I just scrambled an egg. Then I'm like "oh no! I don't like scrambled eggs! Can someone help me remove the scramble?"
It's not that easy. Sure, there is brute force, if your apps were THAT important it might be worth it to try.
But the short solution: factory reset your data, or give it the pin it wants.
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In the future, NEVER use the corporate account system built into iphone / android, this let's your company apply security policies that can wipe your device remotely, and your encryption junk. Use something like Touchdown app which still syncs your contacts, emails, and calendar into your device for any other app to use, but the security policies only get applied to Touchdown. I know this from experience when my former company's IT department "accidentally" wiped everybody's devices messing around in Exchange. "Whoops."
Anyone figured out how to bypass Exchange security on the G2?
Thanks!
Soundchasr said:
Anyone figured out how to bypass Exchange security on the G2?
Thanks!
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Would like to know this too. In the meantime search for an xposed mod. Notification mod. This one allows you to use the notification pulldown.
Helps a lot.
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Anyone? Please?
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Anyone figured out how to bypass Exchange security on the G2?
Thanks!
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Did you try new Google KitKat email app? Make sure that you install both Email and Exchange 2 email apk.
http://androidcommunity.com/nexus-5...s-android-4-4-google-apps-downloads-20131101/
the easy answer is to use enhanced email, can be found in Google Play. I am using that myself
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Did you try new Google KitKat email app? Make sure that you install both Email and Exchange 2 email apk.
http://androidcommunity.com/nexus-5...s-android-4-4-google-apps-downloads-20131101/
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I think the OP like me wants to bypass the security set by the rules, not the app itself.
henrylar said:
the easy answer is to use enhanced email, can be found in Google Play. I am using that myself
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Best most money on an app spent!.... NOT...DOESN'T WORK IN MY CASE...
And you know 15 minutes are not enough to even try it due to the options and testing and hoping. Bought it long ago. In my case it didn't work...
Company has its own app. And another 2 apps checking if the app is admin etc.
Only thing that could be done is either to input the pass automatically when I unlock the phone. Maybe something via xposed. And add a second screen unlock option.
Somewhat like the iPhone jailbreak has it...loved the security bypass plus android pattern unlock....
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Can someone try this? Saw it in company forums. But might be completely unrelated https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.chunky.AutoKeystore&hl=en
I use touchdown so the policy is applied to the app and not the device.
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PAGOT said:
I think the OP like me wants to bypass the security set by the rules, not the app itself.
Best most money on an app spent!.... NOT...DOESN'T WORK IN MY CASE...
And you know 15 minutes are not enough to even try it due to the options and testing and hoping. Bought it long ago. In my case it didn't work...
Company has its own app. And another 2 apps checking if the app is admin etc.
Only thing that could be done is either to input the pass automatically when I unlock the phone. Maybe something via xposed. And add a second screen unlock option.
Somewhat like the iPhone jailbreak has it...loved the security bypass plus android pattern unlock....
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It depends obviously then on how the exchange server is configured. In my case e-email bypasses the security demands from the exchange server completely. When I had my HTC sensation, I used a mod you can find in the HTC sensation development, search for exchange - there is also something about using it with other phones.
see this post for files/kudos: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47063058&postcount=406
however, you don't need to push via ADB or anything:
1) uninstall your current email and exchange apks (via titanium backup or something similar)
2) either wipe dalvik cache or delete the associated email and exchange odex files in /data/dalvik-cache
3) install the 2 APKs (i usually install exchange first, then email)
4) setup your email
been working perfectly for me for the past week.
EDIT: this is the new 4.4 email/exchange, btw, with the gmail-style interface. it's fantastic.
I would really like to find a way to dodge the lockscreen and other policies that are enforced by Exchange. I don't want to use the KK email.
I use an app called Keystore Unlocker from the play store...must be rooted. You can skip the step adding a VPN and it will still work.
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tlbland0426 said:
I use an app called Keystore Unlocker from the play store...must be rooted. You can skip the step adding a VPN and it will still work.
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Can you explain the process? I've got the app and have it set up but I'm not entirely sure that I understand what it's doing...
The policies are still in place.
w0rdie said:
Can you explain the process? I've got the app and have it set up but I'm not entirely sure that I understand what it's doing...
The policies are still in place.
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If you are just trying to get past the pin/password requirement this app stores it so you don't have to enter it when unlocking your phone. Not sure if it works for PIN security but it works for PASSWORD security.
Follow these steps:
1. Open app and click on Credentials store password (enter your lockscreen password)
2. Click Try to unlock
3. Check Auto Unlock
4. Click VPN w/o password for >=4.0
5. On the next screen click on # 3. Press Here (to remove phone lock)
That should do it and remove the lockscreen password that exchange forces you to use.
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Anyone figured out how to bypass Exchange security on the G2?
Thanks!
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Have you tried simply increasing the lock timer to, say, 30 min?
I find I don't often have to enter the PIN with it set high like this.
vween said:
Have you tried simply increasing the lock timer to, say, 30 min?
I find I don't often have to enter the PIN with it set high like this.
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I still want it to lock. I just want to use the pattern instead of the pin and that's not possible with the Exchange policy.
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I still want it to lock. I just want to use the pattern instead of the pin and that's not possible with the Exchange policy.
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Have you tried buying your IT department Mt Dew and Pizza?
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I would really like to find a way to dodge the lockscreen and other policies that are enforced by Exchange. I don't want to use the KK email.
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real quick- you do realize that the kitkat email that i posted is in fact modded to dodge those policies, yes? that was why i posted it. install them, set up your account - it will still tell you "your account needs some extra settings" blah, but it won't actually enforce them.
if you're talking about wanting to use the LG email app, well, i don't believe anyone has made a mod for that. i find the new kitkat email app superior anyways, so if you're willing to try it, that is a solution.
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real quick- you do realize that the kitkat email that i posted is in fact modded to dodge those policies, yes? that was why i posted it. install them, set up your account - it will still tell you "your account needs some extra settings" blah, but it won't actually enforce them.
if you're talking about wanting to use the LG email app, well, i don't believe anyone has made a mod for that. i find the new kitkat email app superior anyways, so if you're willing to try it, that is a solution.
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Thanks! Looks like it's time for me to install a recovery then.
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Thanks! Looks like it's time for me to install a recovery then.
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You technically shouldn't need to in order to set it up, but it's not a bad idea to make a nandroid. And it'll make the dalvik wipe/odex removal easier. That part may not even be necessary, but I had some issues the first time installing it where Exchange Services started force closing repeatedly.
Hey all,
I was having issues with my Moto X alerting me that it could not sign in to my Yahoo account. However, when I would go into the app, it would function correctly without me logging back in or taking any action. But, the notifications were annoying as it was happening at least once per day.
Anyway, I played around with the account settings and was able to remedy the issue, or so I believe. The fix is pretty darn easy...
- Go into either the mail app itself or go into system settings, click on the Email account, then account settings
- Click on your email address [email protected] to adjust those preferences
- Scroll all the way down and click on Incoming Settings, under the Server heading it should read: Android.imap.yahoo.com
- Remove the "Android." piece of the phrase, so it should now read: imap.yahoo.com
- Click Done
- Repeat these steps under the Outgoing Settings as well and your issue should be resolved
Let me know if this works for you, or if you continue to have issues, thanks.
Fine, good work's it. I am already done it.. thanks
Unfortunately yahoo has been doing this with android for years and no combination of settings will fix the random sign in errors. It can go weeks or even months between episodes for me.
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Android is Google and Gmail......no surprise yahoo might have issues. LOL.
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someguyatx said:
Unfortunately yahoo has been doing this with android for years and no combination of settings will fix the random sign in errors. It can go weeks or even months between episodes for me.
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You are right. It really has nothing to do with settings. It's on Yahoo's end not our phones. I ve been getting that sign in error ever since my 1st android phone (Htc hero) so i am used it by now. It comes and goes away.
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EVOSerb said:
You are right. It really has nothing to do with settings. It's on Yahoo's end not our phones. I ve been getting that sign in error ever since my 1st android phone (Htc hero) so i am used it by now. It comes and goes away.
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Interesting. I have always been able to modify the incoming and outgoing settings to remedy the issue. I will let everyone know if this works long term. Thanks for the info.
I am a few days into this correction and have yet to receive any notice from the phone / Yahoo / mail app that I could not be signed into Yahoo. Not waving the flag yet, but for those of you who were having this issue, it may well be a simple and permanent fix.
Hope it works for you, this error happens randomly and intermittently so I just live with it and have transitioned most things to gmail.
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someguyatx said:
Hope it works for you, this error happens randomly and intermittently so I just live with it and have transitioned most things to gmail.
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Yeah, multiple days into the experiment now and still working as advertised.
After over a month of use, I can now 100% confirm this fix. I have not had any issues since the day I made the change to the settings. So if anyone is still having this issue, please feel free to use the info provided in the first post.
Glad it worked for you, only temporary fix for me. I broke down and installed the Yahoo mail app again. Its gotten much better and does not destroy the battery any more.