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discounted transformers worth getting?

I've seen a bunch of TF101s in the $260-280 range lately...do you folks think one of these is worth picking up? I see the processor is a bit outdated, but the Jelly Bean roms available look like they work well. I'm interested in the 10" size and SD-slot for this price range, both of which the Nexus 7 doesn't have.

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I think the TF for under $300 is a good deal especially if you're going to overclock it. With a little overclocking, Tegra 2 can still run almost anything very well.
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The tf101 is a wonderful tablet. I just bought a tf700, mostly for the screen, otherwise my tf101 would have been more than good enough for a long time still. I'll be selling my tf101 soon, but it's,a great tab.

going to be trading for a tf101 tonight cant wait to root and play around with it.

RUN AWAY!!!
I'd like to hope this is just my experience....but I'd avoid this tablet. It was the WORST purchase I've ever made.
The performance was lake-luster from the start. the first ICS firmware update brought my tablet to a screeching halt...and while the additional updates have made improvements and fixed a few issues, I still have major performance problems. These issue were NOT related to rooting...as I was trying NOT to root unless I absolutely had to (which I ultimately did just to have the tablet for use...it was that bad. I've tried two ROMs that are better and make it actually useful, but the headaches and the HOURS spent just weren't worth it.
1. Constant and frequent reboots...often in the middle of working on something
2. The sleep issue (which has improved....). Often when you let it "sleep", it goes into a "deep sleep"...you can't power it back up and it's fully running (but you can't see it or do anything)...so it drains the battery fast. Only fix was a cold linux reboot.
3. About 3-5 times a week...the tablet simply slows down...and when I say slow...I mean that every thing you do...(press a button, open a menu, select an option...anything) takes from 50-seconds to 3 minutes to complete (I timed them)...just getting to the app settings or an app that can tell you what is going on takes 20 minutes or longer. Only solution has been to try the cold-reboot...but that doesn't work about half the time...seriously. Can't even reboot. All I can find is...the acore process is running....twice. Both using 100% of the processor and memory. I haven't a clue what is going on there.
4. Rooting issue as well. Difficult to do, had multiple problems booting into and recovery..then probelsm with regular rebooting. See the forum for all the issues
5. Surprised I don't hear more about this problem....the IDIOTIC engineers at ASUS decided to label the root directory for the internal memory as microSD (supposedly because the tablet uses one internally for its memory) and the actual external memory card as Removable\MicroSD\..... Why this is a problem? Many of my apps that write, save, or use the SD card can't tell the difference and default to internal memory instead...because the root path is the same as 90% of all Android devices. I can't tell the apps to change the location... Two apps couldn't even function...as they couldn't find where to save data. My "internal" memory is almost full, and the removable SD card has tons of room. This issue holds true for most of the apps that allow you to move apps to the SD card...all they do is move the app data to the other partition of the internal memory...not the actual external SD card.
6. many, many more.
ASUS service....I really don't know why people think they are great. It has been terrible.
1. the average response time to any email service requests has been 3 weeks. Most of the responses weren't related to my problem.
2. No phone call ever resulted in an answer. They always default to "send it in"...which I did once...
3. The tablet was in their possession for two months. When returned...the small pieces of tape I placed over the power and other ports were still in place (evidence that no one had done anything to it) and the issues were still there. ASUS still refuses to acknowledge that nothing was fixed.
If I could afford it, I'd be switching ASAP. Like I said..this has been my experience.

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I'd like to hope this is just my experience....but I'd avoid this tablet. It was the WORST purchase I've ever made.
The performance was lake-luster from the start. the first ICS firmware update brought my tablet to a screeching halt...and while the additional updates have made improvements and fixed a few issues, I still have major performance problems. These issue were NOT related to rooting...as I was trying NOT to root unless I absolutely had to (which I ultimately did just to have the tablet for use...it was that bad. I've tried two ROMs that are better and make it actually useful, but the headaches and the HOURS spent just weren't worth it.
1. Constant and frequent reboots...often in the middle of working on something
2. The sleep issue (which has improved....). Often when you let it "sleep", it goes into a "deep sleep"...you can't power it back up and it's fully running (but you can't see it or do anything)...so it drains the battery fast. Only fix was a cold linux reboot.
3. About 3-5 times a week...the tablet simply slows down...and when I say slow...I mean that every thing you do...(press a button, open a menu, select an option...anything) takes from 50-seconds to 3 minutes to complete (I timed them)...just getting to the app settings or an app that can tell you what is going on takes 20 minutes or longer. Only solution has been to try the cold-reboot...but that doesn't work about half the time...seriously. Can't even reboot. All I can find is...the acore process is running....twice. Both using 100% of the processor and memory. I haven't a clue what is going on there.
4. Rooting issue as well. Difficult to do, had multiple problems booting into and recovery..then probelsm with regular rebooting. See the forum for all the issues
5. Surprised I don't hear more about this problem....the IDIOTIC engineers at ASUS decided to label the root directory for the internal memory as microSD (supposedly because the tablet uses one internally for its memory) and the actual external memory card as Removable\MicroSD\..... Why this is a problem? Many of my apps that write, save, or use the SD card can't tell the difference and default to internal memory instead...because the root path is the same as 90% of all Android devices. I can't tell the apps to change the location... Two apps couldn't even function...as they couldn't find where to save data. My "internal" memory is almost full, and the removable SD card has tons of room. This issue holds true for most of the apps that allow you to move apps to the SD card...all they do is move the app data to the other partition of the internal memory...not the actual external SD card.
6. many, many more.
ASUS service....I really don't know why people think they are great. It has been terrible.
1. the average response time to any email service requests has been 3 weeks. Most of the responses weren't related to my problem.
2. No phone call ever resulted in an answer. They always default to "send it in"...which I did once...
3. The tablet was in their possession for two months. When returned...the small pieces of tape I placed over the power and other ports were still in place (evidence that no one had done anything to it) and the issues were still there. ASUS still refuses to acknowledge that nothing was fixed.
If I could afford it, I'd be switching ASAP. Like I said..this has been my experience.
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Most of the reboot issues with ics were experienced by folks who refused to factory reset properly, that said some folks had issues, but I experienced almost none of these.
Rooting was a piece of cake, i was rooted day one. Installing ROMS is dead simple and the tab is unbrickable.
Performance compared to other tegra 2 was superior(still is).
Battery life is amazing
Customer support sucks across the board these days, but asus put out more useful updates than any other mainstream mfr.
NEVER rma a tablet unless its your last resort.

The preformance is allright for me -> office and internet surfing AND voodoo sound quality!
Size and display quality sucks ... not to mention in compare to never products.
Using this tablet in the summer? forget it.
What is the use of a mobile device when you have to avoid sunlight?

Anis108 said:
The preformance is allright for me -> office and internet surfing AND voodoo sound quality!
Size and display quality sucks ... not to mention in compare to never products.
Using this tablet in the summer? forget it.
What is the use of a mobile device when you have to avoid sunlight?
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That's funny since the tf101 had one of the highest rated lcd displays both for quality and use in sunlight. The screen on mine is gorgeous(yes new infinity is better) and brightness was more than enough to use on sunny days.

I heard the TF series are one of the best android tablets out there. Maybe not the tf101 anymore...lol
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Well I decided to get a refurb'ed TF101 last night. It was well worth the price I think. Loving it so far. It had ICS out of the box but I rooted & installed Jelly Bean instantly. Rooting, etc. was a piece of cake. I went back to stock & then installed Revolution HD ROM because Jelly Bean is still a bit buggy for me (no fault of the devs, it's labeled Alpha). It runs great! Fast as can be, not seeing any lag anywhere!
It's only been a day but I've had 0 issues with this tablet.

just got mine love it thing flys and no problems except cant get cwm to install
nm got team rogue to work

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gottahavit said:
Most of the reboot issues with ics were experienced by folks who refused to factory reset properly, that said some folks had issues, but I experienced almost none of these.
Rooting was a piece of cake, i was rooted day one. Installing ROMS is dead simple and the tab is unbrickable.
Performance compared to other tegra 2 was superior(still is).
Battery life is amazing
Customer support sucks across the board these days, but asus put out more useful updates than any other mainstream mfr.
NEVER rma a tablet unless its your last resort.
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As I stated, this was my experience. I do want to correct you on one thing.... you imply my reboot issues were the result of my carelessness or refusal to follow the correct procedures. I can assure you that this was not the case. I completed the required factory reset just as instructed (I've rooted 4 phones. and flashed ROMs as often as 2-3 times a week. This ain't my first goat rodeo.
I would have rather waited a few months longer for ASUS to update to 4.0 so they got it right the first time. The "useful" updates you refer to were to fix the poor 4.0 update. Seriously, the new features weren't worth this much hassle. Trust me, the only reason I sent it in was, I was too darn tired of dealing with it... figured it was their issue to fix. I sometimes think Android users are way to easy on the manufacturers... we just excuse it away and develop our own fixes, solutions, etc. We don't hold them accountable enough for serious problems and poor service. If/When Microsoft or Apple have these issues... you hear about. The consumer uproar is deafening. I wonder why that is? (I count myself in this as well)
Last thing... I mentioned the memory issue... this effects my nandroid backups as well. they take forever and weigh in 4 GBs each. They are having to back up all that "internal" data... which shouldn't be. beyond manually moving data to the removable card prior to back up and flashing .... still working on a better solution.
Enough... I've said my piece. Remember.... be good, or be good at it.

glange65 said:
I'd like to hope this is just my experience....but I'd avoid this tablet. It was the WORST purchase I've ever made.
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Never experienced any of these problems, expcept for #5 which is just a little design flaw.
If you don't need tegra3 quad core and FullHD resolution, the TF101 is still good to go. 720p is still a bit dodgy on stock kernel. JB is on its way, but is hardly a usable rom (for me). ICS is still good enough.

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Thread, but in case anyone goes looking for info about this tablet.....
The issues and bugs continued, some minor, and some VERY big, making the tablet almost unusable.
Finally, two weeks AFTER the warranty expired, the processor fried. Just set it down to get a drink, came back 5 minutes later to dead, nothing. Three experienced techs all independently diagnosed a dead processor.
So in a word...The ASUS Transformer Pad 101 was a worthless piece of garbage.

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Thread, but in case anyone goes looking for info about this tablet.....
The issues and bugs continued, some minor, and some VERY big, making the tablet almost unusable.
Finally, two weeks AFTER the warranty expired, the processor fried. Just set it down to get a drink, came back 5 minutes later to dead, nothing. Three experienced techs all independently diagnosed a dead processor.
So in a word...The ASUS Transformer Pad 101 was a worthless piece of garbage.
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Wow, I had no idea worthless piece of garbage is one word.
My warranty has been out for 8 months and it is still running Android 4.2.2 just as smoothly as a Nexus 7 or Nexus 10. IMO, it is a solid device.
If I were buying today, I do not think I would spend more than $150 on the tablet, or $250 if it comes with a keyboard dock myself, I would get a newer tablet.

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Wow, I had no idea worthless piece of garbage is one word.
My warranty has been out for 8 months and it is still running Android 4.2.2 just as smoothly as a Nexus 7 or Nexus 10. IMO, it is a solid device.
If I were buying today, I do not think I would spend more than $150 on the tablet, or $250 if it comes with a keyboard dock myself, I would get a newer tablet.
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Lol. Exactly... It was an amazing tablet when it came out, it's still a very good tablet 2 full years later. Yes, it was released 2 years ago (well, 21 months). I own 2, that I bought refurbished with the dock (also refurb), and haven't had a single hardware issue. I also know 2 other people that own one, and they also haven't had any hardware issues. Based on posts here on XDA, Asus will almost always blindly replace your defective parts even if you're rooted, rom'ed, etc as long as you're still under warranty.
As a contrast, I have 4 co-workers that bought the Nexus 7. Three of them had to RMA it within 2 months, and one of those had to buy a new one because Google/Asus kept throwing each other the ball and no one wanted to honor the warranty. Only one had a trouble-free tablet.
That being said, your CPU fried for a reason, CPUs don't simply "stop working". I've been working in IT for over 15 years and I have yet to see that happen. I'm not saying it's something you did, or didn't do, as I have no way of knowing. But there was an other problem that caused it to stop working (overvoltage, short, etc). I know at this point it's too little too late and I'm not here to do Asus PR, but chances are it would have happened eventually regardless of how long the warranty was. Just sucks it happened right when the warranty stopped...
Right now, as of March 2013, I don't see any tablet that can compare quality/price ratio to what this one was 2 years ago. Either all overpriced brands or cheap replicas.

i bought this tablet in Black Friday 2011 in an severely overcrowded and riot police-requiring Best Buy and I'm still happy as i can be with it. The hacking community still supports it and I find that there's frequently something new to update it with even if Asus itself has abandoned it. If anyone finds it on the REALLY cheap like $150 or so, i heavily recommend it. I haven't had any issues with it other than some Word-adaptation apps working weird sometimes.
According to Antutu benchmark, the tf300 only performs 50% above the tf101, just so you can have some comparative perspective.

Bought my TF101 back in 2011 when they first came out. I got lucky and found an "open box" unit at best buy with the dock included for $100 less than new (at the time).
It's worked great ever since, regardless of running Honeycomb, ICS or rooted with custom JB 4.2.2 ROM. It doesn't seem to care and has run consistently better with every upgrade. It still has enough hp to do all the things I use it for (games, youtube, HD movies, browsing, fb, the list goes on...). and I will continue to use it for a long time yet. Especially if it continues to receive support from dev's here on Xda with great/stable ROMs.
I love the full keyboard dock and love the crazy-long battery life. It's still a great tablet IMO and well worth $250 with a dock.

Common faults with Xperia PLAY

I am interested to know how many of you have experienced faults I have read about while frequenting these forums.
The reason for me wondering this is because my Xperia PLAY is just out of warranty (2 years) and I'm considering buying a new handset while I can as it seems to be out of production, and before long all that will be available is used devices. The device didn't succeed much in terms of android updates and support from Sony (they had too much invested in the DOA PS Vita) but alas, no other device compares to it in terms of gaming with particular regard to emulator support. This is primarily a gaming-centric device (hdmi-out would have made it golden) and I honestly don't see its crown being taken any time soon. I think this is reason enough for me to hold onto one but unsure of if a new one in warranty is necessary, hence the poll.

Tlrtheory has made several posts regarding his thoughts on the xperia play. He had moved XP to an HTC One-x and to an iphone 5 only to come back to an XP. Sorry I contact link any comments as I am away from my laptop. Will post some later.
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Its definitely a fun little device to have, but I can't use it as a daily driver.
The XP does one thing well, and only one. Portable gaming.
While its inconvenient to carry around a Dual shock 3 and a separate device, its a much more pleasurable experience than using my XP. Dem joysticks.
If you have the opportunity, use a newer device in conjunction with an XP.
My main problem with my XP is that it showed its age rather quickly, and even using stock gingerbread, it can barely perform the games it used to blaze through. I'm unsure whether its my processor, the SD Card, or the device is just plain old, but the XP does not live up to its former glory.
After about a year, no matter what I tried, I was unable to perform basic tasks without encountering extreme amounts of lag, while gaming was un-enjoyable. Mine is collecting dust, with an occasional power on and play when my tablet is out of juice.
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My experience with PLAY has been fantastic. It plays almost all available emulators at full speed. My only gripe was the amount of support from Sony was lackluster to say the least. But as a basic Android phone, it works splendid.
I haven't experienced any problems that I've read yet, I've gotten my phone stolen half way through its contract so the one I have now is about a year and a half years old. But the main problem people seem to report would be the flex cable.

Power button sometimes gets stuck and my volume buttons and back cover are VERY squeaky.

Actually my Power Buttons fine, it's just that the varnish has gone so now theres a massive LED light now..
And I'm not sure if this is normal but my R Trigger feels looser than the L Trigger.

The paint on the 4 front buttons (back,search,home, and settings) started to chip off and another big problem that hasn't happened to me yet but lots of people complain about is the flex cable
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Yes also for me, the paint is starting to come off.

AzNTypeR said:
And I'm not sure if this is normal but my R Trigger feels looser than the L Trigger.
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Same here, its very loose :/ L is fine though..
The only other problem i have is my back button being too squishy, theres no force needed to push it!
I have had no problems with the power button because I never use it :silly: I mapped search to be power instead as its easier to access and I never used search lol

Zilch for me.
...the only problem I really have is that the previous owner messed up the front camera when replacing the flex cable. My original Xperia Play (which is now in the hands of a long-time friend) has absolutely NO hardware issues at all.
The only real problems were that:
• Internal memory sucked (which we can easily remedy with Link2SD - I've done it and now I have 471 installs while having 283MB free)
• Stock launcher was weak (also an easy fix - I've found ssLauncher to be the smoothest, most aesthetically appealing option)
• Stock browser was laggy (get Opera, it's not only the best mobile browser, but it's completely smooth on Xperia Play)
• Didn't natively come with notifcation toggles (which can be fixed with notifications)
...but by far and large... the biggest complaint is just that it's not "officially" supporting ICS. I take a rather extreme stance of "are you guys on crack?!" when someone tries to point this out as a valid point. This is not a damn iPhone... meaning it doesn't work on the same restrictive principles as the iPhone. On iOS, there's no getting around the fact that you need a newer FW to get features. On Android, we aren't so much affected in the same manner. Yeah 4.2.2 brings lock screen widgets... but everything dating back to 2.1 has already had those features through external apps like widgetlocker. We can get data management without 4.x.x, and even have that holo theme take over our Xperia Play. So, for us... anything above 2.3.7 is more of a bragging right... and it's a bragging right that compromises the stability of our games and compromises how much of the RAM we have... that ain't very "baller" to me.

Somebody give this guy a medal, please? Makes me love my XPlay even more (even if "she's" very sickly).

My xPlay is more than year old, and so far she don't have any hardware issues. And even when i get newer phone, i plan to flash some gingerbread rom without phone capabilities and use it as psx/c64 platform untill she dies in my hands...
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My R800x is almost 2 years old, still have that despite moving to a R800at, which was in new condition. But both phones and my R800x are in great condition with no hardware issues whatsoever.
And despite playing with a GS3 for 2 weeks it was nice but didnt wave my flag, so I went, nah, and went back to my PLAY. No regrets when I moved from R800x to R800at, especially since i snagged a prototype AT&T model with no branding on it and it was already bootloader unlocked. Had to unlock the sim lock but that was no big deal. Is our phone dated hardware wise yes, but would I give it up for a GS4, nope. I know some people will think it odd and call me crazy but there is nothing like using this phone for some online MC3 or Lets Golf 2 or shadowgun or Bards Tale, or especially the Tiger Arcade CPS1/CPS2/NeoGeo emulators......
Best thing on the world for phone and gaming in my opinion. $ony needs to make another XP2, but doubtful since they want to try and resuscitate the Vita... anyways, no issues but per bliss.

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a prototype AT&T model with no branding on it and it was already bootloader unlocked. Had to unlock the sim lock but that was no big deal.
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does it have an hdmi out as the first demo units did or is it a later prototype without please?
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ps3taker said:
does it have an hdmi out as the first demo units did or is it a later prototype without please?
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No HDMI out, I had made a thread on it, see post 8 for images:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2088271
Noticed the ebay listing is gone, one of the photos showed the back with the battery out and it clearly states "Prototype not for sale", and on the bottom of the front keys there is a serialized number on it. Also the IMEI starts with 044 which I have read means its a proto model. If you'd like me to make a photo of the back let me know, of course I will blur out the last half of the IMEI #.
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My contract ends next week and... I decided to stay with my XP. I know is little bit outdated and latest games not running smoothly but it's still fun.
Later someone mention that better is to connect to tv and use pad to play but try to do that waiting in queue or bus, during lunch time or waiting for your missus trying another dress...
If want to play good quality game I turn on my PC or Xbox.
Modified ROMs give us nearly all functions that new phones have. I not much gamer to have extra pocket device with me and smudging on screen to play is not fun either. I still have hope that Sony realize that chase after Apple, Samsung etc. Is not only copy other devices but to make some unique moves. Sometimes I thinks that get rid Ericsson was mistake, I used since 1018 long time ago.
Back to topic. I have my XP for 2 yeaes now, no major issues.
I have problem with touchpads, they not working always. I need to turn off phone, remove battery and they back. Tried different roms, kernel, back to stock and even send twice to Sony. I can live with that.
Heard that ribbon is problem. I have change that but it happen when fallen down to river with my XP inside pocket. When dried out phone back to life but later screen started flickering.
Sorry for boring post but I love my XP.
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ozzmanj1 said:
Tlrtheory has made several posts regarding his thoughts on the xperia play. He had moved XP to an HTC One-x and to an iphone 5 only to come back to an XP. Sorry I contact link any comments as I am away from my laptop. Will post some later.
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Yeah I remember reading it and thinking I'd quite like a white XP too but all that is available for sale in the UK are used ones (don't buy used electronics) or grossly overpriced ones (£400+ for a 2011 handset? dafk!).
Replacing my XP with something different isn't really on my mind, but more just that of preserving a working one because it is still the damned best handheld you can get even if its capabilities as a phone are questionable. Its inevitable I will have to replace it eventually given that app developers won't support GB forever. When that day comes, Sony won't even be a brand I consider unless they get a grip on the future of PS Mobile and release an Xperia PLAY 2. It will be Nexus all the way for me with their great pricing and software support. But even then I will still want to hold onto my XP as a great gaming machine.
Its a great shame Sony doesn't realise the potential of a gaming/phone hybrid. The XP had a lacklustre launch with lacklustre specs with a lacklustre marketing campaign, and despite this it was still a great handset in many ways and earned itself itself a strong following. Sony (and pretty much any multinational company) only cares about the sales figures and not the big picture. Smartphones are and will continue to eat into dedicated gaming handhelds; PS Vita is the past and devices like the XP are what they need to move PS Mobile as a strategy going forwards.
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Its definitely a fun little device to have, but I can't use it as a daily driver.
The XP does one thing well, and only one. Portable gaming.
While its inconvenient to carry around a Dual shock 3 and a separate device, its a much more pleasurable experience than using my XP. Dem joysticks.
If you have the opportunity, use a newer device in conjunction with an XP.
My main problem with my XP is that it showed its age rather quickly, and even using stock gingerbread, it can barely perform the games it used to blaze through. I'm unsure whether its my processor, the SD Card, or the device is just plain old, but the XP does not live up to its former glory.
After about a year, no matter what I tried, I was unable to perform basic tasks without encountering extreme amounts of lag, while gaming was un-enjoyable. Mine is collecting dust, with an occasional power on and play when my tablet is out of juice.
Sent from my Nexus 7
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Sounds very much like a hardware problem with your device, either that or the SD card. Its definitely not something I have experienced. I decrapified my handset from useless apps from day one and experience little to no lag, ever. Nexus+XP might be something I consider going forwards but the XP is definitely irreplaceable in terms of gaming, which is a shame.
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My experience with PLAY has been fantastic. It plays almost all available emulators at full speed. My only gripe was the amount of support from Sony was lackluster to say the least. But as a basic Android phone, it works splendid.
I haven't experienced any problems that I've read yet, I've gotten my phone stolen half way through its contract so the one I have now is about a year and a half years old. But the main problem people seem to report would be the flex cable.
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Yes I agree with you and everyone else in regards to the flex cable. It was clearly designed poorly to avoid ware.
I have a bad feeling that mine is slowly on its way too. It didn't used to make any noise when opening/closing the slider but it makes an unmistakably odd crackling noise now. This is the main reason I'm considering replacing it with a new handset while I can... not worth the heartache later
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Power button sometimes gets stuck and my volume buttons and back cover are VERY squeaky.
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Only had my power button get stuck the once and I rarely use the volume buttons tbh.
The back cover is definitely very squeaky. I'm probably in the minority here but I'm a big fan of plastic housing for phones because of its durability and shock resistance, but the XP's back cover was poorly designed and adds to the growing list of problems for us 1st worlders, lol.
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Actually my Power Buttons fine, it's just that the varnish has gone so now theres a massive LED light now..
And I'm not sure if this is normal but my R Trigger feels looser than the L Trigger.
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Same here with the R trigger. Its lost its springiness. This I think has something to do with how we hold our devices when making a call, so it seems Apple users aren't alone in "holding it wrong" lol.
abdel12345 said:
The paint on the 4 front buttons (back,search,home, and settings) started to chip off and another big problem that hasn't happened to me yet but lots of people complain about is the flex cable
Sent from my Xperia Play (r800x)
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This started to happen to my device very slightly but since getting the Trident case, no further ware on the buttons has occurred.
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Zilch for me.
...the only problem I really have is that the previous owner messed up the front camera when replacing the flex cable. My original Xperia Play (which is now in the hands of a long-time friend) has absolutely NO hardware issues at all.
The only real problems were that:
• Internal memory sucked (which we can easily remedy with Link2SD - I've done it and now I have 471 installs while having 283MB free)
• Stock launcher was weak (also an easy fix - I've found ssLauncher to be the smoothest, most aesthetically appealing option)
• Stock browser was laggy (get Opera, it's not only the best mobile browser, but it's completely smooth on Xperia Play)
• Didn't natively come with notifcation toggles (which can be fixed with notifications)
...but by far and large... the biggest complaint is just that it's not "officially" supporting ICS. I take a rather extreme stance of "are you guys on crack?!" when someone tries to point this out as a valid point. This is not a damn iPhone... meaning it doesn't work on the same restrictive principles as the iPhone. On iOS, there's no getting around the fact that you need a newer FW to get features. On Android, we aren't so much affected in the same manner. Yeah 4.2.2 brings lock screen widgets... but everything dating back to 2.1 has already had those features through external apps like widgetlocker. We can get data management without 4.x.x, and even have that holo theme take over our Xperia Play. So, for us... anything above 2.3.7 is more of a bragging right... and it's a bragging right that compromises the stability of our games and compromises how much of the RAM we have... that ain't very "baller" to me.
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Well pretty much the same. I have only had minor issues so far with mine, with the R1 button losing springiness, ware on the front buttons and the housing scratching the gamepad. My main concern is with the flex cable; it now sounds unhealthy when opening/closing the device, where it didn't before. Do you notice anything with yours?
I agree with you. Link2SD is a REQUIREMENT for XP users and I never worry about internal storage any more.
Meh. I have no problem with the stock launcher. Sure it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of say a Samsung device but what it lacks in features is makes up for in simplicity and stability.
The stock browser was worse than aweful; it was atrocious. After a few weeks of using it I replaced it. Opera is indeed the best browser available for android. I tried Firefox and others, which were largely very unstable and overall just rubbish for multiple different reasons.
I agree on the ICS issue. though I do think it was something that could have been avoided if it had been released with current specs on launch day. But alas, it didn't and there's no point crying about it now. The real shame is not that it didn't get ICS, its that the lacklustre launch specs and sales campaign that probably stopped it from getting the sales it deserved and resultantly killed off much chance we had of seeing a successor to it.
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My xPlay is more than year old, and so far she don't have any hardware issues. And even when i get newer phone, i plan to flash some gingerbread rom without phone capabilities and use it as psx/c64 platform untill she dies in my hands...
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Hope its good health continues for you. Its gaming capabilities are definitely not in doubt, even 2 years later :good:
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My R800x is almost 2 years old, still have that despite moving to a R800at, which was in new condition. But both phones and my R800x are in great condition with no hardware issues whatsoever.
And despite playing with a GS3 for 2 weeks it was nice but didnt wave my flag, so I went, nah, and went back to my PLAY. No regrets when I moved from R800x to R800at, especially since i snagged a prototype AT&T model with no branding on it and it was already bootloader unlocked. Had to unlock the sim lock but that was no big deal. Is our phone dated hardware wise yes, but would I give it up for a GS4, nope. I know some people will think it odd and call me crazy but there is nothing like using this phone for some online MC3 or Lets Golf 2 or shadowgun or Bards Tale, or especially the Tiger Arcade CPS1/CPS2/NeoGeo emulators......
Best thing on the world for phone and gaming in my opinion. $ony needs to make another XP2, but doubtful since they want to try and resuscitate the Vita... anyways, no issues but per bliss.
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You're not crazy, I use the XP for all my portable gaming needs. Its a real shame we won't ever likely see a successor or even a challenger to it. But at least if the majority of devices stay working without the aforementioned faults, what remains is a great and unbeaten gaming device.
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does it have an hdmi out as the first demo units did or is it a later prototype without please?
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This was on developer units. Dire shame this feature never made the cut.
bartmw said:
My contract ends next week and... I decided to stay with my XP. I know is little bit outdated and latest games not running smoothly but it's still fun.
Later someone mention that better is to connect to tv and use pad to play but try to do that waiting in queue or bus, during lunch time or waiting for your missus trying another dress...
If want to play good quality game I turn on my PC or Xbox.
Modified ROMs give us nearly all functions that new phones have. I not much gamer to have extra pocket device with me and smudging on screen to play is not fun either. I still have hope that Sony realize that chase after Apple, Samsung etc. Is not only copy other devices but to make some unique moves. Sometimes I thinks that get rid Ericsson was mistake, I used since 1018 long time ago.
Back to topic. I have my XP for 2 yeaes now, no major issues.
I have problem with touchpads, they not working always. I need to turn off phone, remove battery and they back. Tried different roms, kernel, back to stock and even send twice to Sony. I can live with that.
Heard that ribbon is problem. I have change that but it happen when fallen down to river with my XP inside pocket. When dried out phone back to life but later screen started flickering.
Sorry for boring post but I love my XP.
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You're right. Who the hell uses a dualshock controller or one of those ridiculously obese and unportable controller attachments? It looks and is retarded. People are mad if they think otherwise.
I also know someone who got their XP damp (dropped in puddle) and the ribbon went a few months later. Sounds like this is something to try and avoid.

Also, another problem is that the Front Camera's gone completely Green and Fuzzy. May be down to the amount of times that I've dropped it, before it wasn't that bad but now it simply refuses to work.

On my third Play, but not through anything breaking by itself. My first was stolen, my second didn't survive my dropping it in a sink full of water. Water = not good for sure, and I'm paranoid about the flex cable. Interestingly each that I had tried with let me overclock to 1.5GHz at stock voltage, but I use OC sparingly.
It's an absolute essential to get the Trident case IMO, it saved my last play from being dropped on concrete twice I'm sure and to protect the buttons. Honestly, if anyone is thinking about getting it and worrying about the price: please if you can at all afford it, just get it. It'll save you money on a broken phone some day.
And also honestly it's the only phone for me, even if imperfect. I can either choose between GB and some new 4.0+ only apps not being available (for me, BBC radio player), or ICS and some circle button and game incompatibilities (krisdee's Hybrid rom + LuPus ICS/GB 480p seems a viable combination for game performance and general stability at least though, which is great). Not tried JB. But either way, it's more game playing than I'd do on any device without buttons regardless of the specs. Even if it only played emulators, it would still be "cool" to me.
I agree Opera is the smoothest browser, I've always found that, particularly on GB. And yes the speakers are so very useful, I use it as a mini "radio" all the time.

I seriously don't know how you guys have problems.. i bought mine 2nd hand a year ago and only problem I've faced is the housing seems to fade/damage easily. going to replace it soon. otherwise no prob.

after update to 1.4 my SHIELD Android TV pro stops at a Fastboot Menu

Hi i have SHIELD Android TV pro After update 1.4, I get the NVIDIA boot logo and then booting stops at a Fastboot Menu .......
i try to fastboot oem unlock but it give me
C:\adb>fastboot oem unlock
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FAILED (remote: Read less bytes than expected)
finished. total time: 57.252s
i am trying to downgrade to 1.3
how ti fix it ?

According to Nvidia, this is due to a faulty hard drive. They are offering quick RMA service for it. If that is the case, you probably aren't going to fix this issue. They are using some strange file system on the pro's. This is why no one can replace the hybrid drives in them as well.

There is a way to recover from fast boot look on the official Nvidia forum and there is a way to connect to your PC and recover.

Although one of their posts does say that the problem is due to a faulty drive and would eventually have to be replaced anyways.

This happened to me. So I RMA it and they were GREAT!
I highly recommend replacing it. I was never able to use grid without lag every few seconds... thought it was the service, but it was actually the hardware defect causing it

No Quick Rma in Europe
From a very disappointed Nvidia Shield enthousiast,
Owning the:
Shield portable >> almost unusable after the 5.x upgrade
Tablet 16 GB & LTE 32 GB >> recalled for battery risks
Shield Pro 500Gb >> rendered unusable by 1.4 upgrade
I unfortunately must conclude that there is no other product line that i know of that is hit by so many problems in the primary design & upgrade paths. Even my 90s neo geo pocket & neo geo Aes are more reliable .
Shield products seem to be made on a proof of concept bases trying to spark interest with other companies to start mass production of these devices. I therefore think that the primary focus of Nvidia is the chipset and the performance of the platform. The other parts are just packaging that definitely doesn't go through the same testing that the chipset gets, therefore we get exploding batteries faulty hard drives and slowed down handhelds.
SHIELD= (S)ome (H)opefull (I)ndividuals (E)xperiencing (L)acking (D)esigns
So back to the latest fault with the Shield TV,
After updating to 1.4 i was confronted with the same fastboot error, unfortunately living in europe does not entitle me to the same quick replacement that US users have experienced.
After 3 days of e-mail conversation with nvidia support i was asked to make foto's of the unit and also the box and serial numbers.
Then i was asked to ship the unit to a Dutch Nvidia warehouse & was received there without any communication or update by Nvidia.
Concluding:
- There is no replacement sent out before you sent back the old unit.
- The time needed to send out the new unit after receiving the old one remains unclear.
- As a replacement you will recieve a used/refurbshed unit.
Waiting to see how long this process will take and feeling very disappointed.

Josti-Band said:
From a very disappointed Nvidia Shield enthousiast,
Owning the:
Shield portable >> almost unusable after the 5.x upgrade
Tablet 16 GB & LTE 32 GB >> recalled for battery risks
Shield Pro 500Gb >> rendered unusable by 1.4 upgrade
I unfortunately must conclude that there is no other product line that i know of that is hit by so many problems in the primary design & upgrade paths. Even my 90s neo geo pocket & neo geo Aes are more reliable .
Shield products seem to be made on a proof of concept bases trying to spark interest with other companies to start mass production of these devices. I therefore think that the primary focus of Nvidia is the chipset and the performance of the platform. The other parts are just packaging that definitely doesn't go through the same testing that the chipset gets, therefore we get exploding batteries faulty hard drives and slowed down handhelds.
SHIELD= (S)ome (H)opefull (I)ndividuals (E)xperiencing (L)acking (D)esigns
So back to the latest fault with the Shield TV,
After updating to 1.4 i was confronted with the same fastboot error, unfortunately living in europe does not entitle me to the same quick replacement that US users have experienced.
After 3 days of e-mail conversation with nvidia support i was asked to make foto's of the unit and also the box and serial numbers.
Then i was asked to ship the unit to a Dutch Nvidia warehouse & was received there without any communication or update by Nvidia.
Concluding:
- There is no replacement sent out before you sent back the old unit.
- The time needed to send out the new unit after receiving the old one remains unclear.
- As a replacement you will recieve a used/refurbshed unit.
Waiting to see how long this process will take and feeling very disappointed.
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question how did you get console over the ocean? if amazon or ebay you can send back. and if i'm not wrong if with amazon there not supposed to be problem at all
complete agree with you, very stupid situation experiences with nvidia gaming product line.................
i think i have paranoia and this will happen with me too and according by nvidia words there is less than 1% faulty units, but reading around and stories like yours one ....... something saying to me there is 50 or more % of faulty units and + now hassle with exchange/postage/ some kind of proof of picture/..............complete opposite what was said in nvidia.com
anyway i ordered on amazon from states an d i'm from Ireland, cant wait that happy day or shield will gonna fly away through the window.
will keep inform here how is going on later

Hi Visitor,
I also got the Shield Pro from Amazon at the launching day, guess i got the first batch.
Fortunately for you Amazon has a 30 day money back guarantee policy, so if you experience the same problems you can RMA IT with Nvidia of refund it through Amazon.
The pixellation & slow downs were evident from day one, but i was hoping that the frequent software updates would improve the situation.
Hard to say how many units are affected but the seagate 500 GB SSHDD hybrid drives have a tendency to fail, and knowing from experience that you can't really switch of (power down) the device. So the drive will always be spinning 24H non stop. Increasing the wear and tear on the drive. Hoping for a power down feature in the next update.
You can easily diagnose this when the Shield arrives on the 6th of October, so don't worry too much and enjoy your shield experience. Like all Shield products the concept is great and the design is beautiful being able to use Nvidia Grid on a wired connection is amazing i was able to stream games at 1080i. So there is good news too combined with the expanding list of problems.
The unfortunate acronym SHIELD= (S)ome (H)opefull (I)ndividuals (E)xperiencing (L)acking (D)esigns seems to be true...
visitor29 said:
question how did you get console over the ocean? if amazon or ebay you can send back. and if i'm not wrong if with amazon there not supposed to be problem at all
complete agree with you, very stupid situation experiences with nvidia gaming product line.................
i think i have paranoia and this will happen with me too and according by nvidia words there is less than 1% faulty units, but reading around and stories like yours one ....... something saying to me there is 50 or more % of faulty units and + now hassle with exchange/postage/ some kind of proof of picture/..............complete opposite what was said in nvidia.com
anyway i ordered on amazon from states an d i'm from Ireland, cant wait that happy day or shield will gonna fly away through the window.
will keep inform here how is going on later
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Hi Visitor,
I also got the Shield Pro from Amazon at the launching day, guess i got the first batch.
Fortunately for you Amazon has a 30 day money back guarantee policy, so if you experience the same problems you can RMA IT with Nvidia of refund it through Amazon.
The pixellation & slow downs were evident from day one, but i was hoping that the frequent software updates would improve the situation.
Hard to say how many units are affected but the seagate 500 GB SSHDD hybrid drives have a tendency to fail, and knowing from experience that you can't really switch of (power down) the device. So the drive will always be spinning 24H non stop. Increasing the wear and tear on the drive. Hoping for a power down feature in the next update.
You can easily diagnose this when the Shield arrives on the 6th of October, so don't worry too much and enjoy your shield experience. Like all Shield products the concept is great and the design is beautiful being able to use Nvidia Grid on a wired connection is amazing i was able to stream games at 1080i. So there is good news too combined with the expanding list of problems.
The unfortunate acronym SHIELD= (S)ome (H)opefull (I)ndividuals (E)xperiencing (L)acking (D)esigns seems to be true...
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So this means when console is off mode but not unplugged from power socket hard drive keep spinning inside? That not good at all, should be known kind of idle, sleep or standby mode. Looks like on first day one if any of this symptoms appear I'm mean pixellation / slowing and specially and of course can't get over 1.4 means better use amazon refund straight away.
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visitor29 said:
So this means when console is off mode but not unplugged from power socket hard drive keep spinning inside? That not good at all, should be known kind of idle, sleep or standby mode. Looks like on first day one if any of this symptoms appear I'm mean pixellation / slowing and specially and of course can't get over 1.4 means better use amazon refund straight away.
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Received today instead of 6 October, first what I done this is upgrade 1.4 and all get through without issues.

So I finally updated to 1.4 and got the same issue as everyone had here. So Nvidia sent me a replacement. I wasn't sure what I had in my current unit so I wanted to see if there was a way to factory reset it even though I could not get past fastboot. At first I tried to boot it into recovery via fastboot screen but it just rebooted into a black screen. I eventually found this online. http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answ...-reset-shield-android-tv-to-factory-settings?
After the last step where it says to hold the power button for 5 seconds (I mightve held it longer) it rebooted and I got the boot screen to come up. And now it's completely operational. Wth? Anyway I'm glad it's working now so I can factory reset before I send it back to them.
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Why did I buy this device?

I need to vent, not looking to start arguments but rather just reporting my experiences.
Nvidia Shield Tablet arrived 3 days ago, loved it after using it for 2 hours, happy times.
Then I made the mistake of trusting Nvidia with an OTA update from whatever version of LP it arrived with to MM - big mistake (by Nvidia - how am I supposed to have made a mistake when it's an OTA update?) because after this the Shield Controller buttons stopped working, I'm assuming because of that update but I'm not certain by any means. Updated the controller firmware with OTA, no change, shoulder buttons still do not work.
Downgraded to 5.1.1 stock, shoulder buttons do not work still. Oh and it's gone from buttery smooth 3D performance to constantly slowing down every few seconds. Oh yeah and every 15 or whatever seconds it goes to the map screen without my input.
So basically it's a useless lump ATM.
In between me loving it and getting to this sorry state was a whole load of stuff not working which unfortunately I've just come to expect from Android ... formatting the SD card and then dissappearing it or complaining that it has 0bytes available (solution: format in another device), TWRP acts ... retarded, I doubt it's anything to do with developers as I've never had issues with TWRP other than on Shield such that doing anything with it is punctuated by 30 second freezes. MTP is the usual lottery - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't etc. \
I'm sure that has nothing to do with Google wanting to sell cloud storage but rather they are just inept when it comes to that.
I guess tomorrow I will add to the 7 hours already spent on this device by trying to find a stock image that works.
I am regretting the purchase ATM unfortunately.

Ahh I feel your pain, been there.
Did you try flashing the marshmallow image? I had so many problems on lollipop with my controller, same deal. Marshmallow fixed everything, and games run even smoother, I can clock the cpu down a few notches for many games now, where I could't on lollipop.
Are you using the K1?
diji1 said:
I need to vent, not looking to start arguments but rather just reporting my experiences.
Nvidia Shield Tablet arrived 3 days ago, loved it after using it for 2 hours, happy times.
Then I made the mistake of trusting Nvidia with an OTA update from whatever version of LP it arrived with to MM - big mistake (by Nvidia - how am I supposed to have made a mistake when it's an OTA update?) because after this the Shield Controller buttons stopped working, I'm assuming because of that update but I'm not certain by any means. Updated the controller firmware with OTA, no change, shoulder buttons still do not work.
Downgraded to 5.1.1 stock, shoulder buttons do not work still. Oh and it's gone from buttery smooth 3D performance to constantly slowing down every few seconds. Oh yeah and every 15 or whatever seconds it goes to the map screen without my input.
So basically it's a useless lump ATM.
In between me loving it and getting to this sorry state was a whole load of stuff not working which unfortunately I've just come to expect from Android ... formatting the SD card and then dissappearing it or complaining that it has 0bytes available (solution: format in another device), TWRP acts ... retarded, I doubt it's anything to do with developers as I've never had issues with TWRP other than on Shield such that doing anything with it is punctuated by 30 second freezes. MTP is the usual lottery - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't etc. \
I'm sure that has nothing to do with Google wanting to sell cloud storage but rather they are just inept when it comes to that.
I guess tomorrow I will add to the 7 hours already spent on this device by trying to find a stock image that works.
I am regretting the purchase ATM unfortunately.
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Maybe your device is defective? I have an og shield and my gf has a k1 and they're both great.
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Try a factory reset. Good rule of thumb is to factory reset after any major updates
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As suggested by others do a factory reset and try a different kernel [BitO kernel]. I have no problems on MM - shield K1.
You are having ghost touch , i heard tampered glass screen protector was reducing the high screen sensitivity.
Also calibrate your screen ; take a look at this thread for more details Adjust your touchscreen sensitivity

Android 10 bugs ruining my love for Oneplus. Any solutions or work-arounds?

I don't mean to complain, but I only have one purpose for my 1+6T: To play my 2nd account in Hill Climb Racing 2. I am a bit addicted to the game.
Android 10 has wrecked this device and HCR2 big time. There is an ungodly amount of lag / randomly skipped frames, which can be "solved" by disabling in-game audio. However, I kind of rely on the audio for a couple things, so I really want it back.
It also makes the game flip-flop from offline to online if I pull up the game after it was in standby more for awhile. The game is really picky with your internet connection and can't handle dropped packets, but my connection is a solid 30ms latency with 45mbps down, 12 mbps up. If I force close the game and reopen it, it's fine.
These 2 issues are both something caused by the Android 10 update. I don't really want to try rolling back to Android 9, so I'm hoping someone out there has a potential fix or some sort of an idea.
Also worth noting is that this issue was brought up on OnePlus forums 5 or 6 months ago and was probably never seen by anyone that works at 1+. Disappointing that they released the official update with these bugs. Maybe Fingersoft will somehow change HCR2 to bypass whatever causes the issues, but I doubt it.
Thanks!

Dude, just roll back. You could have done that in not much more than the time it took to think up and write your message. If you only use it for that one purpose, what is the point of going to A10?
I personally am waiting a while before going to A10. Everything works just fine on Pie.