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I think these may not have been discussed before and appear to have been taken with a Z:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooringrope/
Pixel peeping at 100%, sure they seem to not be that sharp from the noise reduction but I think they'll still do very good prints, maybe as big as A3. I'll probably try printing some when I get mine as a test.
Also, I think responsiveness of the software / speed of capture and control is more important than minor image quality issues.
Edit: I think it may still be a pre-production device. As it's listed on flickr as C6603...
Edit 11th Feb: Later on in this topic, hush66 kindly posted some links to new sample photos which are from a production device and seem a lot better than the ones in my post below.
hush66 said:
I took some sample photos using the Xperia Z, and uploaded them here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/110267829736715997848/XperiaZC6603Samples
Sorry if the photos are not that good. I suck at taking photos as my hands are somewhat shaky.
Update: original photos can be downloaded here: http://www.mediafire.com/?0ej013u7kkrdbv3
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Also these are new to me at least: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]N05/sets/72157632729147253/
Edit: Having browsed these images a little bit more, I feel the Z image quality may be a bit disappointing.
This combined with a review mentioning there not being a big difference between 720p and 1080p on the display and the seemingly average battery life as a result, has made me start to consider whether to cancel my pre-order.
First batch looks good to me. Alot different to the second album though... wether the 2nd guy has wobbly hands or just typed the wrong device i have no idea. But from what samples i have seen the pictures usually are very good, and as people say Sony are good in the camera department
Looking good. Maybe it's nothing revolutionary, but low light photos are amazing.
I'm very happy with what I'm seeing in the first batch and those night/low light shots. It is only a phone camera after all so it's unrealistic to expect the world out of it.
Pretty good for a phone. Phone Photos will never be great, even with a big sensor like the nokia, simply because the lens will never be great.
Personally I rather have a thin phone and a separate camera like the rx100 than a heavy and large phone like the pure views.
Photo quality
I read two reviews that said the picture quality Xperia z is not all that. They said there was not a lot of progress in relation to phones like iPhone 5 or galaxy s3.
Very noisy and marketing ...
Companies have to stop fooling people ... cuz eventually lose credibility with the public.
Sony xperia z = Tefefone too thin to have a better camera to nokia 920 and nokia n8
13mp was only for marketing!
Sigh... You only signed up to write that?
I'd like to welcome to XDA:silly:
Here it goes:
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I read two reviews that said the picture quality Xperia z is not all that. They said there was not a lot of progress in relation to phones like iPhone 5 or galaxy s3.
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You said you read 2 reviews, that's fine and all. But what if both reviews said for example that the phone smelled like carrots (Just an example)
Would you have believed it?
Before concluding things it's best that you try out the phone for yourself.
And you may say/think that the pictures aren't all that, but qw all have our different opinions, some may find it enough for their needs, some don't. Some use a dedicated camera, some use their phone. Should I continue?
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Very noisy and marketing ...
Companies have to stop fooling people ... cuz eventually lose credibility with the public.
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Companies have to stop fooling people... agreed, but look it from their point of view, in the end they are only doing it to survive in this world. So can we blame them? I'd say no.
Eventually everyone bought a product because some company said that product X was better then product Z from another company. It's for us to figure out what true and what's not. People in general have to look passed their nose and see the actual truth instead of being "misinformed".
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Sony xperia z = Tefefone too thin to have a better camera to nokia 920 and nokia n8
13mp was only for marketing!
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Is that your conclusion that the telephone is too thin or did you copied that from a review(s)?
You named 2 other phones... well I'd say test it out and proof that to us.
And yes of course the 13mp is a marketing scheme, but some company has to be the first to announce these kind of things, in xx months I bet there will be more companies introducing a 13mp camera in their phones, will you also call it a marketing scheme then? Or won't you, because multiple companies have the "technology" (referring to the 13mp).
Now it's your turn:angel:
Dsteppa
First of all thanks for the greeting.
no photo but video comparisson vs the galaxy note 2 and nexus 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el85dQDDSrY
the xperia z is in another level
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Pretty good for a phone. Phone Photos will never be great, even with a big sensor like the nokia, simply because the lens will never be great.
Personally I rather have a thin phone and a separate camera like the rx100 than a heavy and large phone like the pure views.
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The Nokia pureview 808 is a class all its own. The pictures from it rival just about any point and shoot I've seen at least from 2 feet away or with tux limit of the Nokia zoom.
I was hoping the Z was going to put up a close fight but I'm skeptical at this point. There certainly is hype created by companies but on the case of the Nokia its all backed up. Hopefully Sony hasn't let us down.
I took some sample photos using the Xperia Z, and uploaded them here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/110267829736715997848/XperiaZC6603Samples
Sorry if the photos are not that good. I suck at taking photos as my hands are somewhat shaky.
Update: original photos can be downloaded here: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3
hush66 said:
I took some sample photos using the Xperia Z, and uploaded them here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/110267829736715997848/XperiaZC6603Samples
Sorry if the photos are not that good. I suck at taking photos as my hands are somewhat shaky.
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Those photos are probably the best I have seen out of all of the reviews. Your photos seem to suffer much less of the compression issues I saw on the review photos. Could you attempt to take some lower light pictures? and possibly a few comparing HDR to non-HDR? Thanks.
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Those photos are probably the best I have seen out of all of the reviews. Your photos seem to suffer much less of the compression issues I saw on the review photos. Could you attempt to take some lower light pictures? and possibly a few comparing HDR to non-HDR? Thanks.
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Ok, I took a couple pictures with HDR on and off (check the link again). I'll try some low light shoots later tonight.
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Ok, I took a couple pictures with HDR on and off (check the link again). I'll try some low light shoots later tonight.
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Hmm you sure you don't have the pics mislabeled? The first one looks more HDR-ish, but it's labeled as without.
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Hmm you sure you don't have the pics mislabeled? The first one looks more HDR-ish, but it's labeled as without.
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Yes, I'm positive the photos were labelled correctly.
I agree the first (labelled no HDR) has better details in the shadows, very interesting.
I agree with people here the photo's that are shown before are not that flash, however the ones posted by hush66 seem to be better, although hard to know for sure because they don't seem to be full res.
I agree to comments here about phone camera being around marketing. HTC tried something around this with the HTC One, I gave the HTC marketing department a bollocking about this, they pulled this marketing off the site a few days later. They were claiming you couldn't tell the difference between photo's taken with a DSLR and HTC One, hahahaha. The sample pictures were 364x268 pixels in size. I challenged them to tell the difference between photos from my Old Nokia N70, Blackberry 8900 and HTC Desire at the same pixels.
The biggest benefit of a point and shoot over the camera of the phone are the optical zooms, image quality is the similar or better than a lot of point and shoots.
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I agree with people here the photo's that are shown before are not that flash, however the ones posted by hush66 seem to be better, although hard to know for sure because they don't seem to be full res.
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I uploaded the original photos here: http://www.mediafire.com/?0ej013u7kkrdbv3
These are very good, thanks. I really like how it handles macro shots.
Damn, hush's photos are by far the best I've seen of everything posted from the Z so far. I just spend the past couple of hours sifting through random shots taken by the Z before finding this thread, so I'm very aware that the sharpness is quite a bit better in these pics.
Could it be there's a newer firmware update at play? Or are there still others out there taking photos with pre-production units? I know a lot of pics so far have come from websites that've recieved the Z, but what are the chances that Sony sent them pre-production phones vs. final retail units? It'd seem like a silly thing to do, but there's a real world difference between what they were able to do with the camera, and what hush was able to do.
I'm brand new here but felt that I had to comment as some here seem to be close to hari kiri (sic) over some reviews.
I do feel that the screen will be a little low on colour saturation but it's by no means terrible - and the adjustment options included in the final software should fix this. But what I really want to talk about is the camera.
Phonearena have been especially vocal about how the camera doesn't match up to the competition but I'm absolutely amazed that they've missed a glaring error in their analysis! Because of the boost in mp's and the different focal lengths of each phone, when they're doing a 100% crop comparison, they're clearly zooming in much, much further on the XZ. I don't think it's intentional but if you look at the crops they give, the difference is clear. The XZ i
Now I'm not saying that Sony haven't been a little heavy handed in their compression - they have. BUT if you zoom in comparison shots to the SAME CROP the difference is far less pronounced than some would have you believe. Indeed, if you zoomed in the other shots to the same depth as the XZ zoom they would become a mess of pixels - better defined pixels, sure, but no more usable for it.
Is the camera on the XZ blowing me away? I dunno, I'll put it to the test when I get it. But don't write it off based on comparissons with other phones unless you do the tests yourselves because phonearena have done a half-assed job, frankly.
Your thoughts below, please.
Great observation. I do see the compression as a necessary, temporary downside to putting a 13mp camera on a smartphone. They're probably working on keeping the responsiveness up first; hopefully the compression will get better through software updates.
That Phonearena review was biased.... i tell u why....:
1. They ranked devices on every domain and listed lumia 920 and XZ with least ranking however ... where these two stood out to be better than others ... they skipped raking quite cleverly.
2. They even ranked Lumia 920 and XZ in night mode as bad shooters LOL at them... everybody knows the truth.
3. They even placed 1-2 cheeky discouraging lines in low light mode review about XZ.
4. In Detail they ranked XZ last. that was a big fail even their own pics that were taken... small boards really far away were much readable on XZ than others.
5. They always used superior auto mode in XZ but used manual settings in others..... obviously XZ will be confused in special conditions like a well lit building at night and surrounding trees which are not much in light... use manual settings there and i m sure XZ will tear others apart.
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That Phonearena review was biased.... i tell u why....:
1. They ranked devices on every domain and listed lumia 920 and XZ with least ranking however ... where these two stood out to be better than others ... they skipped raking quite cleverly.
2. They even ranked Lumia 920 and XZ in night mode as bad shooters LOL at them... everybody knows the truth.
3. They even placed 1-2 cheeky discouraging lines in low light mode review about XZ.
4. In Detail they ranked XZ last. that was a big fail even their own pics that were taken... small boards really far away were much readable on XZ than others.
5. They always used superior auto mode in XZ but used manual settings in others..... obviously XZ will be confused in special conditions like a well lit building at night and surrounding trees which are not much in light... use manual settings there and i m sure XZ will tear others apart.
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I'm not sure but I think they would get better results with superior auto. I think PA did not use superior auto.
I think we shoul wait for more precise reviews like the GSMarena one which is by far, one of the best out there.
But I won't be surprise if the XZ's camera won't match nowadays' best 8 MP standards, Sony has been trailing behind for quite some time now in the Photo department.
yeah that comparison doesn't make any sense both Samsungs where over exposed for most of the photos, big difference in iso use etc etc. clearly done by someone who doesn't know anything about photography
I don't take PA reviews very seriously - specially when it comes to cameras. Somehow they find samsung cameras pretty good which is very questionable - I think. I've owned all three samsung galaxy phones. GS1 camera was horrible, GS2 was average and GS3 is also average. HOX has a better camera, Xperia T is better than both.Xperia Z should be even better. And I don't take pictures with lousy auto mode.
PA reviews are usually good except for the camera part - they simply don't understand photography. If you read their comparison, you can just tell that it was written by a noob.
What i don't understand is the photos posted by someone here on Google+ definitely looks good.
check these out:
plus.google.com/
photos/110267829736715997848/
albums/5843542135386591041/5843542150197706866?banner=pwa
At first, I thought the photos above are not from XZ. They are really clear, sharp, and vibrant. I don't see noise in them.
They are miles better than what PA and other sites are posting. How could this happen? Different software or versions?
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What i don't understand is the photos posted by someone here on Google+ definitely looks good.
check these out:
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photos/110267829736715997848/
albums/5843542135386591041/5843542150197706866?banner=pwa
At first, I thought the photos above are not from XZ. They are really clear, sharp, and vibrant. I don't see noise in them.
They are miles better than what PA and other sites are posting. How could this happen? Different software or versions?
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I have analysed these images... On a bigger screen ..with zoomed in depth... They look good surely... That is why PA have lost it....
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I'm not sure but I think they would get better results with superior auto. I think PA did not use superior auto.
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They used superior auto... In some domains they even wrote it... Never used HDR .... I think superior auto was in most situations... So.many times this superior auto mode gets things wrong... It should be used when u r super noob in photography.... Not in a picture comparison
seen that review and i can say it is a total bias.
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seen that review and i can say it is a total bias.
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That's a common opinion about Phonearena's reviews. Many reviews were considered biased, with results that nobody is able to replicate etc. I wouldn't pay much attention to it - no matter if it's positive or negative.
schecter7 said:
I don't take PA reviews very seriously - specially when it comes to cameras. Somehow they find samsung cameras pretty good which is very questionable - I think. I've owned all three samsung galaxy phones. GS1 camera was horrible, GS2 was average and GS3 is also average. HOX has a better camera, Xperia T is better than both.Xperia Z should be even better. And I don't take pictures with lousy auto mode.
PA reviews are usually good except for the camera part - they simply don't understand photography. If you read their comparison, you can just tell that it was written by a noob.
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I thought I was the only one who shared this view seeing as last year I had the Xperia S & T, S3 & N2 and HOX and for starters I believe Iphone arena claimed the camera on the HOX and Xperia T were mediocre compared with S3 (N2 has same camera as S3 anyway). That was total B.S The camera on the T and HOX and even Xperia S were far better than the samsung cameras both outdoors and indoors and at night, especially indoors with lighting where the S3/N2 cameras became washed out and I tested the camera's vs eachother same angles etc and the samsung cameras were the worst.
I have also compared the camera on the lumia 920 vs s3/N2 in shops and the lumia 920 looks better.
Even looking at the images IPA have done with the Z the images look great.
Its hard to believe all those reviews... Who even knows whether they are giving us true/genuine pictures- its upto the eidtor/reviewer to give us genuine review. Not even their webmaster will know it whether they are genuine.. There were plenty of crtitcism from reader about engagdet's news articles of apple products once... Some times its very clear in the writing the bias towards non-apple news. Who knows they have been receiving goodies and bucks... I was in straight fire @ one ZNet writer after reading his apple article- he wrote like not even a hardcore apple fan wont writer against android phones- blindly.... They all in US... we donno the truth...
I donno much about phonearena... Also i'm not going to expect much from a tiny smartphone sensor whether its 13mp or 44mp... You have to understand the camera sensors first... As the sensor becomes small in size the light goes thru it also less , hence the picture qaulity... Still the best quality sensor gives best results... In smartphone case the photographer has to be very careful and still as much as the object to get nice photos... Image stabilization is there , but its nowhere near of DSLR or other proper cameras.... So each time you take a picture its different although same object , same angle or whatever you can imagine there.... Competition in smartphone arena is to make thinnest phone... as the phone goes thinner camera sensor goes smaller(thinner) too.. otherwise you will see a bump where camera sits (like in pureview).....
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This video sample basically tests the Xperia Z1's built-in microphone capabilities.
Steady Shot enabled to shield from the crowd's push, pull and squeeze
Mode: Superior Auto
Firmware: 2.257
The mic is decent but minor distortion can be heard. 6/10
Video Quality is great. 7/10
Tell me what you guys think about the video sample!
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Fans meeting & Latest SINGLE 'Be There' Live Performance!
Photo taking session with 4 Lucky Fans who caught the 4 roses that ViV threw in the above video!
Japanese Pop Boy Band, ViV makes special appearance at Anime Festival Asia 2013 to meet their Fans and perform one of their latest song 'Be There'!
This video sample basically tests the Xperia Z1's built-in microphone capabilities.
Steady Shot enabled to shield from the crowd's push, pull and squeeze
Mode: Superior Auto
Firmware: 2.257
The mic is decent but minor distortion can be heard. 6/10
Video Quality is great. 7/10
Tell me what you guys think about the video sample!
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WTF is this post???
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WTF is this post???
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It's a video sample of the xperia z1 duh
OMG
This is the stupidest video sample I have ever seen.
WTF mate?
Sent from my Z1
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OMG
This is the stupidest video sample I have ever seen.
WTF mate?
Sent from my Z1
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I'm suprise there's a couple of rude people around here, but it's ok! I appreciate the bumps.
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I'm suprise there's a couple of rude people around here, but it's ok! I appreciate the bumps.
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Sorry mate it wasn't rude in purpose but we can't see why would you post this?!?
It's just average video of a bad, very bad subject.
10-15 min of few girls standing and few guys photographing them is just not good video review.
And I see I'm not the only one who thinks that.
I can't see what's the point of it...
If you showed us video in liw light conditions or in good light, moving objects or something similar but this...
Sent from my Z1
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Sorry mate it wasn't rude in purpose but we can't see why would you post this?!?
It's just average video of a bad, very bad subject.
10-15 min of few girls standing and few guys photographing them is just not good video review.
And I see I'm not the only one who thinks that.
I can't see what's the point of it...
If you showed us video in liw light conditions or in good light, moving objects or something similar but this...
Sent from my Z1
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These batch of samples are mainly to test how well the Z1's auto focus, steadyshot and built-in mic would fair in crowded areas and as a recording device in a concert (which i actually got a number of requests for this and happened to pass by a concert) So no, it's not completely useless.
I've already done video & photo samples for normal outdoor usage here if you do not use your Z1 for special occasions like the above: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2491778
I don't see why people are hating on this guys video sample, if you don't like it, you can give some constructive criticism, otherwise, keep your mouth shut!
P.S. Interesting video samples :highfive::good:
Interesting one...
So according to DXO mark the Z2 is the best camera phone beating out the Nokia Pureview 40MP camera. I found this a little odd since it has the same hardware as the Z1. So is it software that has been improved or are there some hardware tweaks as well. Mind you it was tied with nokia on still but beat it out due to 4K recording. I have been able to get some impressive result if I import large size PNG files into Photoshop and use that to process some of my images.
My biggest complaint is the noise in the Z1's pictures. I most often use Topaz Denoise for my DSLR work and decided to use it on a couple pics from my Z1. The result was excellent.
Here is an example, I will continue to test the firmware and see if the new update will improve it.
I'll post the link for those interested
http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Sony...ed-model-takes-first-place-in-Mobile-rankings
z2 didn't beat 808 on the camera side tho
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z2 didn't beat 808 on the camera side tho
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I stated that it tied for stills against the Nokia but took the lead due to 4k and video performance but it is still tied for first place and took best overall.
Hey folks!
I'm a hobby photographer, and I'm interested in how capable Sony's latest 20.7 megapixel image sensor actually is.
I've seen Flickr groups for specific devices only and for "Xperia photography" in general but I haven't found one yet that only features all devices with the same (or similar) image sensor.
So I created one :angel:
I'd love to see this group flooded with the best of the best photographs taken with phones featuring this 20.7 megapixel image sensor.
So if you have a couple of nice pictures already on Flickr, taken with either the Xperia Z1, Z1 Compact or Z2, please share them in this group - it would make my day!
https://www.flickr.com/groups/xperiaphotography
Help me help others, by adding photos to show just how capable Sony's 20.7mp camera really is! :cyclops:
Also, if you have any questions about photography with the latest Sony phones, you could ask me here in this thread or you could even start a discussion on my Flickr group!
I'm not a Pro Photographer (yet) but I can answer quite some questions for people who just start out with photography
[Fun fact: I actually got into photography through cameraphones - starting with the SE K800i followed by the SE Satio]
Hi,
Cool idea for a group in Flickr. I have album on my Flickr account with photos from my Z1 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157641744588983/).
I have photos from Xperia S too, but I have tons more from Z1. This phone is beast! I love it!
I'm experimenting all the time with photography and video. I recorded one advertisement and a couple of sketches for TV. It's awesome.
I'll post more later...
Vengeance66 said:
Hi,
Cool idea for a group in Flickr. I have album on my Flickr account with photos from my Z1 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157641744588983/).
I have photos from Xperia S too, but I have tons more from Z1. This phone is beast! I love it!
I'm experimenting all the time with photography and video. I recorded one advertisement and a couple of sketches for TV. It's awesome.
I'll post more later...
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Please post those ads for TV that are recorded with the Z1. I'd love to see those. Please reply with quote.
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Please post those ads for TV that are recorded with the Z1. I'd love to see those. Please reply with quote.
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Here are some of the videos that are already on YouTube.
Ad
Sketch
Sketch
We didn't had camera available for recording so we used my Z1. I'm losing quality when exporting the final video from Adobe Premiere. The original clips are way better than these on YouTube. But, as far as I'm concerned, nobody here noticed any difference on TV or for the Ad...
I like to experiment with the phone. I'll have to learn the camera man to record properly (since I'm in all of the videos) with the focus, the other is great. Hope you'll like it.