Hi! I know about the annoying problem concerning the revoked capability of the apps to write to SD in kitkat.
I'd like to understand the current situation about this problem.
According to you will Samsung solve the problem re-implementing this feature? I mean, will galaxy s5 have the same problem?
Skipping every possible debate on the unfairness of this move by Samsung, if I have understood, the only solution now is to root the phone, isn't it? And as far as I know there is no way to root without losing warranty, I mean the knox counter will be incremented even if I come back to stock, isn't it?
But somewhere I read that this could be solved by app developers with an update. Is it true? According to me by now there aren't apps that with an update regained the capability to write to SD... Every file explorer can't write to SD (at least some features), poweramp can't delete files or edit tags if the files are on sd etc...
However my main question is the following one:
Is it normal that from pc (windows 8) I cannot rename folders in SD, and I can't move to SD files like flac? I mean files that pc prompts if you want to convert to a compatible file for phone. If I click to avoid conversion, the transfer starts and stuck immediately... What can I do?
Thank you very much!
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Is is possible to delete files stored in SD card from apps other than stock myfiles app?. I tried HD manager and other file explorer app but no app can delete any file stored in SD card. Am i missing something? (my tab is not rooted and running stock honeycomb).
Do you have a cardreader? If so take out the sd card and try to delete the files you want to delete using your desktop/laptop.
Btw usually you should not need root for deleting files on your sd...
Sympathise with you...
I must admit that it's only in the last few days that I discovered this problem with external SD card file deletion/amendment.
I have looked into this and am quite frankly amazed that such a 'glitch/bug/oversight' could be allowed to find its way into a modern day operating system like Android, or the Samsung Tab OS (not exactly sure which is causing the issue).
Like the first poster in this thread, my Tab is not rooted and I don't really want to root it either. It would appear that there are 'fixes' available - but only for rooted Tabs.
Basically, it seems that the external SD card is READ ONLY when in the Samsung Tab. How ridiculous is that? The stock file manager that comes with the Tab will allow you to delete, rename of amend files on the SD card - but that seems to be the only app that will perform this.
I can kinda live with it - or, more to the point I have got to live with it. The big problem is that any file such as a Word doc, spreadsheet, txt note or even image can only be allowed to reside on the SD card as long as you don't ever want to edit it!! What a crazy situation that is.
For a sophisticated operating system like Android and a sophisticated device like the Tab I feel that this kind of issue should never have been allowed to happen. It's clear that the manufacturers know about the problem which is why they have made a half-way solution with the built-in File Manager. However that doesn't address the problem and places unnecessary restrictions on how you can use the device.
Shame...
OrangeSpiv said:
I can kinda live with it - or, more to the point I have got to live with it. The big problem is that any file such as a Word doc, spreadsheet, txt note or even image can only be allowed to reside on the SD card as long as you don't ever want to edit it!! What a crazy situation that is.
For a sophisticated operating system like Android and a sophisticated device like the Tab I feel that this kind of issue should never have been allowed to happen. It's clear that the manufacturers know about the problem which is why they have made a half-way solution with the built-in File Manager. However that doesn't address the problem and places unnecessary restrictions on how you can use the device.
Shame...
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I made new word document in Polaris app and save it to SD card. Then, i edited it and save it to SD card again...it worked perfect. Also, i successfully used gallery app to deleted some pictures stored in SD card , same thing as well with stock music player. So, it seems only stock app (like Gallery, music player) have full access to SD card files (write, edit, delete).
alibukhamsin said:
Is is possible to delete files stored in SD card from apps other than stock myfiles app?. I tried HD manager and other file explorer app but no app can delete any file stored in SD card. Am i missing something? (my tab is not rooted and running stock honeycomb).
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This is listed a few items down in the common/known issues thread, here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1487991
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This is listed a few items down in the common/known issues thread, here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1487991
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Thank you for your help .
To save some people time in searching and asking the same question I had (and for 4.4.2 I think there will be plenty...):
I had severe issues using a brand new SD card in a brand new unrooted Galaxy S5. However, I now found through test that it was not the card.
I tried many things, formatting on my computer, formatting on another phone, etc etc. Nothing worked. I then tried to use the card on other devices, which worked fine! I then tried other cards, none of them seemed to work.
So I thought the S5 was defective. I did some searching online, and found that it actually is not defective. This is a feature of kitkat 4.4.2!
The card is perfectly usable, but under very restrict situations.
For example, reading is perfectly possible, but writing is controlled by kitkat. I found through some websites that Samsung decided to beef up security and at the same time make the use of external storage more clean.
Previously you could use any file browser to manage any file son any external storage, like an SD card. Although this gave great freedom, Samsung also seemed to believe that it is a source of security risk where rogue apps could read/write to folders they didn't create. They also seemed to believe this made management of files on external storage messy. To control this Samsung now allows properly installed apps to generate folders only in internal memory, and those same apps can only access folders they themselves created. The exception to this are factory standard default apps that come preinstalled on the device.
So my mistake was to use ASTRO file manager to move around a file. Once I read the issue online, I tried the same action with Samsung's pre-installed file manager, and to my surprise the file did transfer to the SD card!
To further clarify, I suspect this "feature" is limited to write activities. For example, backup to SD apps will fail to write apps to SD. Similarly, Airdroid cannot copy files from your desktop to the SD card, only to their own folder (and thus you need Samsungs file manager to move those files to the SD card).
What's interesting about this however, is that READ access seems to still be possible. ASTRO file manager can still read files from directories other apps made. Adobe reader can still read files on all kinds of folders.
The criminal spy app can still read and copy your banking files from your bank directory to its own directory for transfer to the criminal mind who will then plunder your account. So no, the security issue Samsung wanted to address has not been addressed.
What is my opinion about this? Well, I think Samsung made a nice attempt to improve security. However, they completely failed to address the biggest security risk, which isn't write access, but read access. And at the same time made it very painful and difficult to store large numbers of music, video and document files to the SD card. Because now you will either need to plug in your memory card into your computer, or move all those files via internal memory to the external SD card using Samsungs file manager, which of course takes much more time.
More info on the feature can be found here:
http://gs4.wonderhowto.com/how-to/b...ns-android-4-4-kitkat-your-galaxy-s4-0152036/
here:
http://support.solidexplorer.pl/responses/kit-kat-442-issue
And here:
http://developer.samsung.com/forum/...Lines=15&startId=zzzzz~&startPage=2&curPage=4
We could all ask Samsung to revert this "feature", but chances that they will, are remote since there are ways around this problem.
Of course, people who use many many apps/games will be out of luck, as they will be restricted to 16/32 GB.
Note to moderators: Can we make this a sticky for kitkat 4.4.2?
Root and you'll be able to R/W on the ext-SD card and try this app SDFix
Samsung has nothing to do with it... It's an Google's android policy.
So, the links I provided make that same statement. I.e. I'm aware of possible fixes. However, I bought my phone in Singapore so I could have a reliable unhacked, unrooted, unmodified phone. Others might also want original phones and not root their phone until their warranty runs out.
This was not my point though. My point was to provide some info that could be turned into a sticky so it is easier for people to find what could cause their memory card issues.
I still hope the original post will help others troubleshoot their memory card issues with their s5.
Hi, My partner has a S5, it is running 4.4.2, as you know google have locked down using file browsers and other SD card apps.
The issue being that I have a Note 3 running STOCK 4.4.2 with no root access and I can use ES File Explorer to move files from my Media server to my External SD card.
Does any one know why this is and how you can do this without rooting the device>?
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Hi, My partner has a S5, it is running 4.4.2, as you know google have locked down using file browsers and other SD card apps.
The issue being that I have a Note 3 running STOCK 4.4.2 with no root access and I can use ES File Explorer to move files from my Media server to my External SD card. Does any one know why this is and how you can do this without rooting the device>?
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Google tightened up security in Kitkat by restricting third party access to your SD card. Apps now only have permission to work within one folder or area of the card, rather than anywhere. A file explorer, even a non-root version would logically have broader access than most types of apps due to the nature of what a file explorer needs to do.
You can revert the Kitkat changes if you are rooted. I am not aware of any apps or methods to so so without root. Nor can you revert to a pre 4.3 JellyBean firmware as Samsung has blocked reversion to preclude people removing Knox that way. You might be able to downgrade to an earlier Kitkat version that doesn't have the SD permissions change yet. I haven't confirmed that, but it might be possible.
But in practical terms you either need to root and revert the changes, live with the restrictions or seek out updated versions of apps that work better in the new regime.
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I've checked older posts but I think most of them are outdated because I just bought my Note 3 and I have read write access on the external sdcard without problems.
There are certain conditions however, externally downloaded apps gain read and write access only on specific folders inside the sdcard.
But ES file Explorer is working even on root folder in ext SD card.
So I don't really get it, is this restriction fixed by Samsung or updated by Google? I'm running on kitkat 4.4.2, and tTorrent is running great on the ext sd card.
I'm just trying to understand what's going on as unfortunately Google.com always prioritizes older posts most of which are outdated.
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I've checked older posts but I think most of them are outdated because I just bought my Note 3 and I have read write access on the external sdcard without problems.
There are certain conditions however, externally downloaded apps gain read and write access only on specific folders inside the sdcard.
But ES file Explorer is working even on root folder in ext SD card.
So I don't really get it, is this restriction fixed by Samsung or updated by Google? I'm running on kitkat 4.4.2, and tTorrent is running great on the ext sd card.
I'm just trying to understand what's going on as unfortunately Google.com always prioritizes older posts most of which are outdated.
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Earlier it was write protected for all, but with the new update, they make it a way that few apps can full write access anywahre. Like you mentioned ES file Explorer. But these are very few hand full of apps. Most of then doesnt work like wifi FTP which I was using etc. So its all due to the new kitkat updates.
I am buying my phone tommorow (Currently using Note1 with JB)... and I have heard today tht Kitkat doesn't support writing to SD card.
Now I don't wana Root hence is I possible to break this write restriction ?
My main concern/query is: I store all my music on my SD card and always Store all my pics/videos taken from phone camera on SD card -- So is this functionality still there OR not ?
PS: Plz see post #4
kitKat support writing to SD Card, but not with 3rd party Apps .
With Root You Can .
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Why no root, without root access you have a crippled phone.
Hmm.... I got to read a few more stuff abt kitkat problems...
1] Third party (Chinese) S-view covers don't work after kitkat upgrade, which now apparently fixed.
2] Samsung has an solved an issue that prevented writing to external storage (SD) after updating to KitKat.
Can you ppl confirm the above. If yes, I can happily upgrade without any issues.
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craige said:
Hmm.... I got to read a few more stuff abt kitkat problems...
1] Third party (Chinese) S-view covers don't work after kitkat upgrade, which now apparently fixed.
2] Samsung has an solved an issue that prevented writing to external storage (SD) after updating to KitKat.
Can you ppl confirm the above. If yes, I can happily upgrade without any issues.
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1. I m not sure but i heard about fixed !
2. No. still 3rd party apps cannot write to sd-card u need to use Pre-Installed File Manager to move file to sd-card
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Your music, pictures, videos can be stored in SD card, root is not necessary
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Your music, pictures, videos can be stored in SD card, root is not necessary
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That is almost true. My files won't show you any folders you created on SD card for specific people. If you create a folder for Fred and put all pictures of Fred in it, you can see it in My files extSd. But if you create a folder called Fred Videos, you won't find it in My files. So if you have downloaded a video to internal memory, first you have to move it in the Fred folder and in Gallery then you can move it again to Fred Video. I tend to find this weird.
I've got all my music, films, comics, magazines and pictures (not photo's!) on my SDcard. They all play perfectly well. JB doesn't allow write to the SD. Reading has never been blocked.
Stock camera takes pictures to the SD. Keep in mind 4.4.2 has a tendency to corrupt the pictures on the SD card. It's why I prefer to keep those internal.
Quickpic has no issue writing to the SD, neither does ES File Explorer.
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That is almost true. My files won't show you any folders you created on SD card for specific people. If you create a folder for Fred and put all pictures of Fred in it, you can see it in My files extSd. But if you create a folder called Fred Videos, you won't find it in My files. So if you have downloaded a video to internal memory, first you have to move it in the Fred folder and in Gallery then you can move it again to Fred Video. I tend to find this weird.
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Have you ever heard of this remarkably useful app. It's called ES File Explorer.... Who the hell uses the severely sluggish and limited My Files?
If you have rooted your phone, then download and use SDFix app from playstore. Then you can use your sd card as usual
Use folder mount
Alrite ! After reading the above I clearly understand that Photos/Videos/Music stored on SD can be read without issues
One more thing, Can large popular games like - Real Racing 3, NFS series etc.. can be transferred/updated on SD card as well ?