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As the title suggests, I plan on buying a S4 today. If I do, will it have the latest software that I can't root? How recent was the update the isn't rootable?
Thanks!
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Just make sure when you get it doesn't have the mf3 firmware and don't let the sales person update it for you. If they do don't accept it. When you get it, take the SIM out and root and disable the auto update apps, see other threads for those, or flash a custom Rom
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jd1639 said:
Just make sure when you get it doesn't have the mf3 firmware and don't let the sales person update it for you. If they do don't accept it. When you get it, take the SIM out and root and disable the auto update apps, see other threads for those, or flash a custom Rom
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But once they bring the phone out to you and break the seal, isn't it yours no matter what? What can I say to decline the phone if it has the update on it without acting fishy?
What are the odds the update will already be on it? How long ago did it come out?
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
But once they bring the phone out to you and break the seal, isn't it yours no matter what? What can I say to decline the phone if it has the update on it without acting fishy?
What are the odds the update will already be on it? How long ago did it come out?
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There's a 30 day remorse period to return a phone with AT&T for any reason. So I wouldn't worry about that.
I'm in the same position. My plan is to ask them to just give me one in the box and not let them touch it til I get home.
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There's a 30 day remorse period to return a phone with AT&T for any reason. So I wouldn't worry about that.
I'm in the same position. My plan is to ask them to just give me one in the box and not let them touch it til I get home.
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Well here's the thing... I actually signed up with AT&T yesterday. My gf got the S4 and I got the One. I kinda like the S4 better.
So I'm already gonna have to pay a restocking fee. If the S4 has the update, can I even go back to the One? Is it unlimited exchanges as long as you pay the restocking fee?
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Well here's the thing... I actually signed up with AT&T yesterday. My gf got the S4 and I got the One. I kinda like the S4 better.
So I'm already gonna have to pay a restocking fee. If the S4 has the update, can I even go back to the One? Is it unlimited exchanges as long as you pay the restocking fee?
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On the box of the phone it will have the software version printed near the serial number and IMEI on a sticker. Ask the salesperson if you can just check the software version first. Won't even have to open the box, and if you get a cool salesperson you can ask them to specifically look for a phone with the exploitable firmware version.
WizeGuyDezignz said:
Well here's the thing... I actually signed up with AT&T yesterday. My gf got the S4 and I got the One. I kinda like the S4 better.
So I'm already gonna have to pay a restocking fee. If the S4 has the update, can I even go back to the One? Is it unlimited exchanges as long as you pay the restocking fee?
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I'm pretty sure you can exchange all you want.
Also, there's no "acting fishy." You're allowed to root and mod your phone. It voids your warranty, but the sales reps in the store are not going to narc you out on your warranty anyway. I've had discussions with the reps in the store about mods, and modding concerns and it's fine to just tell them that's what you're looking for.
Also, in my experience, AT&T has had no problem servicing and replacing modded phones. They don't seem to care in practice.
Thanks a ton guys! I wasn't thinking, so I just checked the box of my gf's S4 and it's the MDL firmware! She got the red one though, so maybe that stock isn't turning over as fast.
I might get the red one just to be safe haha! I will put a case over it anyway. If she just got hers yesterday and it had MDL, I'm guessing mine would too. I'm going to the same store.
Thanks a ton guys for the fast responses! :thumbup:
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I got mine last week it was NOT updated, unfortunately i updated it before I knew what the deal was. So you should be ok seeing how you know whats going on =]
You should be good just make sure the baseband ends in MDL and not md3. The sales person shouldn't have an issue with it. Let us know how it goes
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You should be good just make sure the baseband ends in MDL and not md3. The sales person shouldn't have an issue with it. Let us know how it goes
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I agree with this if you are buying it from a brick and mortar store the sales people wont have a problem with you checking out the phones before purchasing
i too was concerned about the update so i got one (for my daughter) from BestBuy. i asked them to fire it up to make sure it was working and confirm it was MDL before i left the store. first thing i did was remove the sim card, turn off wifi, root it, install TWRP and flashed a rooted MF3 version.
I was only able to return a phone for a different phone once. Maybe other stores allow it but I was only able to once.
Hey guys, here is the update....it worked out great!! When I went into the store, I told the guy that I was torn between the red and white one since my girlfriend got the red one. Even though I knew that I wanted the white. So he said he wasn't even sure they had the red in stock since it's not as popular as the other colors. He went into the back to check.
He came out with a red and white one and put them on the counter and started opening them up to show them to me. I casually looked at each box and they were both MDL! So I told him that I was in a rush and would put the sim in and do all the setup myself. He was cool with it and I left.
As I type this, I already rooted it and am about to flash a ROM. I'm in good shape and on my way! Thanks guys! :good:
Lol I got a black mist one last week on thursday that was still fine.. I am guessing. For at least the next few weeks you have a decent chance
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Lol I got a black mist one last week on thursday that was still fine.
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I picked up a red one two days ago.
The sales rep told may that all the reds they had in stock were from an older shipment, so they haven't been updated.
Color was not an issue for me since I'm going to wrap the thing in a case anyway.
Sure enough... I now have an MDL GS4 already rooted, TWRP and unlocked.
Now to decide what rom to flash first.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Well here's the thing... I actually signed up with AT&T yesterday. My gf got the S4 and I got the One. I kinda like the S4 better.
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If you don't mind, and without going too OT, what brought you to the S4 over the One? I'm a current S4 owner considering going to the One.
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buying my new phone, 7-25, updted it, and exchanged it 7-28. got to love costco. i disable data, and turned off wifi, until i was able to root it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2297900
and disable to OTA altogether
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2270759&highlight=disable+ota+update
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2268946
received a warranty exchange today from customer service and it was shipped with MF3 ,,, bummer
I have an upgrade available and am considering moving from the One to the SGS 4.
I'm on AT&T. From what I've been reading,and I've been reading for a while now, if my SGS 4 comes with the latest firmware out of the box, I can root it, but Loki, therefore custom ROMS and recovery are out. Is this correct?
I was hoping to be able to put the Google edition ROM on the SGS 4.
Someone please set me straight.
Please and thanks
Correct, if it has the latest firmware than no flashing roms
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Correct, if it has the latest firmware than no flashing roms
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Thanks. I'm going to look awful funny making the guy open the box and check the firmware version before I buy, but I guess I'll have to.
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Thanks. I'm going to look awful funny making the guy open the box and check the firmware version before I buy, but I guess I'll have to.
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The firmware version is on the side of the box, if I am not mistaken. I just got my S4 shipped directly from AT&T. It came with MDL.
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And mdl is what I want right?
If you want to install custom ROMs, yes.
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Typically, at least from what ive seen, the ATT box will have an "Updated" sticker on it if the firmware has been updated. My GS3 had that.
I have both the One and the S4. I don't think I'd give up the one for the s4.
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Eallan I'm just bored. Probably keep both phones and switch around
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Eallan I'm just bored. Probably keep both phones and switch around
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That's what I've been doing haha.
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Just go to the store and ask the sales tech to find one that ends in MDL and NOT one that ends in MF3.
It sounds crazy or embarrassing, but it is not! Certainly it is not illegal or wrong to do this.
Others have done that and the AT&T folks really don't care, or if they do select another sales person or even another store (like Best Buy or even Costco and Radio Shack! Those other stores may even have better insurance plans than AT&Ts!)
(As to which phone. ...the HTC One is prettier, and it is unique in design, but would you be happy with less/slower ram, no changeable battery, no SD card, and a smaller screen? The S4 also has some very nice camera options that seem (to me at least) a bit better than the HTC One. Of course, it is all personal preference . . )
Good Luck!
This may be my last device from AT&T!
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Corvette Dave said:
This may be my last device from AT&T!
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Agreed. Not very happy with this at all. Locking us out of our own devices that most of us paid FULL PRICE FOR!!!
Yeah me too... This sucks... I'm seriously thinking about selling mine and buying a international model. Does anyone know which model works good on At&t?
I bought 2 note 3's and and 1 gear. Dropped about a G and I can't use my device the way I would like? Not a happy customer at this point.
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Corvette Dave said:
This may be my last device from AT&T!
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I went to an AT&T store a few days ago to get a secure element for free (SIM) and received a text survey the next day. I gave the employee a 10 but said I wouldnt recommend at&t to a friend, and everything else I gave low low reviews. They called me several hours later and I let them know why... I am sure it doesnt mean much... but at least they know I think they suck!
The people on the phone tried to help... but didn't really know how to go about getting someone to talk to me about bootloaders... they even recommended me checking out XDA to unlock it... LOL awesome.
I told them that I am perfectly fine with voiding my warranty... so can I please get this flashed to an international version... no idea how to answer something like that... oh well...
Corvette Dave said:
This may be my last device from AT&T!
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Don't see why you would think it was necessary to open a thread to say the obvious. If you don't want at&t sell it. Buy an international. C-ya bye
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Don't see why you would think it was necessary to open a thread to say the obvious. If you don't want at&t sell it. Buy an international. C-ya bye
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Yeah right. I'm sure this thread will be locked. I knew what I was getting when I bought it. I really didn't care as long as I could root.
If flashing and ROMing is that important, get a different phone. The T-Mobile version of the Note 3 is unlocked and will work on AT&T. I prefer AT&T because I get 4G/LTE where I live and in the building where I work.
Very happy with my Note 3 rooted and using Xposed, Wanam, etc. No need for a custom ROM. At least for me anyways.
AT&T has analytics on social media and Web information they collect on what is being said about them. Most large companies do and thought this might get some attention.
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I think there are threads about this already... Before the opinion gods explode in here gonna close this... :good:
Are us At&t custom ROM users going to have to move on to greener pastures with this Knox bs or will someone unlock the s4, note 3, and s5 (when it comes out) bootloaders at some point? Just curious if anyone has any insight on this, cause if we can't unlock it I'm definitely moving on to another carrier, personally. Or at least I'll buy international unlocked or Google editions in the future. Thanks and f at&t and Knox!
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Are us At&t custom ROM users going to have to move on to greener pastures with this Knox bs or will someone unlock the s4, note 3, and s5 (when it comes out) bootloaders at some point? Just curious if anyone has any insight on this, cause if we can't unlock it I'm definitely moving on to another carrier, personally. Or at least I'll buy international unlocked or Google editions in the future. Thanks and f at&t and Knox!
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Bootloader being locked has nothing to do with KNOX. And AT&T has already released an official statement a while back that said they plan on locking ALL carrier branded phones in the future.
I understand that they are locked. Now can you actually answer my question on whether or not someone will figure out how to unlock it?
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How would someone know that? There have been Bounty threads out for awhile and no luck. If they are still active you can follow them--
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I understand that they are locked. Now can you actually answer my question on whether or not someone will figure out how to unlock it?
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They lock them to keep people from hard bricking their devices. If it stinks...buy a Nexus or GPE device
I think we have to wait a while till the s4 becomes old news. Then att will care less about it and there will be less updates and more time for someone to find a crack or leak for the bootloader unlock and the carriers will care less
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I think I'll just be done with at&t then probably. It's too bad that companies won't allow you to do whatever you want with YOUR phone. That's why I never got an iPhone! I actually don't mind running stock TW but I don't want to be stuck with it forever. Thanks everyone!
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whmgreen said:
I think I'll just be done with at&t then probably. It's too bad that companies won't allow you to do whatever you want with YOUR phone. That's why I never got an iPhone! I actually don't mind running stock TW but I don't want to be stuck with it forever. Thanks everyone!
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Sad part is until it's paid off it not really your phone. Since they have a warranty for a year to cover issues it only makes sense. Now if they would provide an unlock after that warranty is up and the contract is settled then it would make sense.
Att will never have a unlocked device again, watch and see.....
And these are the reasons I'm going to be moving over to T-Mobile or nexus devices. Just tired of AT&T all together.
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Another view:
I will stay with ATT as Verizon is too expensive and TMO in my area has sh**ty reception. ATT has been perfect for me in that area.
Also, I have been a heavy flasher for almost 4 years. The phones now are powerful enough that flashing roms is not that important to me as it once was. If I can get root with Xposed/Gravity Box/3Minit I am good. Plus there are fairly good backup apps now that Nandroiding isn't that critical.
I don't see much more coming my way, after this year, in improvements I am interested in. Something like a Note4 or S5 would be as far as I care to go.
All IMHO of course
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I thought that I read somewhere on a T-Mobile thread that the latest update locked the bootloader on the S4. Was that incorrect?
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I thought that I read somewhere on a T-Mobile thread that the latest update locked the bootloader on the S4. Was that incorrect?
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I'd go to the note 3 if I swapped to T-Mobile. I'm honestly tired of the s4 and the features don't wow me anymore plus the note 3 would be better in spec wise as well.
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I thought that I read somewhere on a T-Mobile thread that the latest update locked the bootloader on the S4. Was that incorrect?
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The i337 bl was always locked but the loki-doki exploit bypassed sig check and allowed us to flash recoveries and kernels. With mf3 they closed that loophole by "blowing the Q-Fuse", whatever that is. Googled it but forgot what I read.
And now you are limited to flashing mostly TW roms <4.4. No custom recoveries/kernels.
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The i337 bl was always locked but the loki-doki exploit bypassed sig check and allowed us to flash recoveries and kernels. With mf3 they closed that loophole by "blowing the Q-Fuse", whatever that is. Googled it but forgot what I read.
And now you are limited to flashing mostly TW roms <4.4. No custom recoveries/kernels.
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I'm not talking about a I337 from AT&T. I was talking about a T-Mobile M919 or do they use the exact same firmware?
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I'm not talking about a I337 from AT&T. I was talking about a T-Mobile M919 or do they use the exact same firmware?
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lol ok, in that case i have no idea
I have the galaxy s4 and I need your guys help. I can get the s5 through the next plan but do you guys think its worth the extra $20 a month? I could trade me s4 but the fake aluminum crap is chipping so they'll get me for that. What's your guys opinion
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Why does no one respond
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Why does no one respond
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1st, do some research and make the decision based on your own needs.
2nd, maybe if you posted this in the correct thread, someone might respond.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2433789
Agree with Scott and thread will probably be closed--but my two cents is S5 is not much of an upgrade over S4 for my needs and imho--that can generate many comments pro/con also--
Thread cleaned. Watch the language and treat each other with civility please.
Next time we have to come in the thread will be closed.
Thank you.
If you could sell your S4 i would do that and buy the S5 outright. I have the S4 and see no reason to jump to the S5 right now. It looks to be a great phone but not worth the move right now for me.
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I have the s4 and wife has the S5 and all I see is more att cap on it. Though a nice phone wife won't let me root it.
As for the next plan it's pretty good you pay 15 for the line and 25 for the phone. Your not tied to a 2 year contract and you can upgrade every 18 months. Now if you don't go next you get tied in for 2 years and the phone plan goes back to normal to 40 per phone. Either way your paying for the phone it all depends on which way you want to pay for it. So next is not bad you get more data and your not tied in. The only thing when you upgrade in 18 you have to give phone back to forgive balance on it or pay balance to keep it.
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I'm going to sell my galaxy s4 in Craigslist for around 300 and that includes case, screen protector, an extra battery and the OEM battery charger. Its rooted and unlocked and currently on MDB. Do you guys think that's a good price
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Sell your phone buy it outright, next galaxy not too far, expected to drop alongside new apple device
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I'm going to sell my galaxy s4 in Craigslist for around 300 and that includes case, screen protector, an extra battery and the OEM battery charger. Its rooted and unlocked and currently on MDB. Do you guys think that's a good price
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I would go ebay. I don't trust Craigslist and price not bad that's what I would list mine for.
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Your right but I owe money to eBay from like 6 years ago
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Then sell on swappa or pay the debts you owe and put it on eBay.
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Ill try Craigslist but I was looking at swappa and since its unlocked and still on MDL I think I can get more than $300
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Just be careful with Craigslist there's nothing but scammers on there. I was selling something and the person said they paid through PayPal. I got notice from PayPal that funds were there but I was not allowed to see them until item was shipped and verified received. So I looked into it with PayPal and they verified they NEVER hide funds from anyone, so it turned out to be a PayPal hoax. If any with Craigslist buyer has to be local cash only face to face meet with me.
And even then I show up strapped I don't play with Craigslist buyers.
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For sure always keep a weapon on you when dealing with craigslist. I honestly hate paypal. I'm going to bring a friend or two when I sell it
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Good idea
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What's your questimation on how much I could get for it
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I would say 250-300 go on ebay and see what their going for there should give an idea of price range. When you advertise it push that it's on MDL or MDB and doesn't have the upgrade that Locked everyone else's bootloader.
It's all up to you and how fast you want to sell it. Remember people can upgrade for 200 and now that the S5 is out I'm sure price will drop. The only advantage is your still on MDB.
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