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Hi everyone!
I'm having a tough time deciding whether to get an HD2 or a Nokia N900, mainly because of one main feature on the N900: As far as I can tell, the Nokia N900 allows you to stay online (Instant Messaging, VoIP) permanently, even when the device is in standby - so ICQ, Skype, SIP, MSN are all connected, and if you get a new message or a call, the device will notify you.
I haven't used many modern WinMo devices, so I'm not sure if anything similar to this is possible with WinMo 6.5 (I've used WM6.5 ROMs on my Prophet, but I'm guessing a lot of features were stripped out to make them run at all )... is it possible to do this on the Leo?
I want the device to _always_ be online - if there's WiFi it should connect to that, and if not then it should connect to cellular data. This should obviously also be automatic, so that I don't have to manually log onto the WiFi every time I get home or to university...
Is this use supported? Or would it be more of a hack that runs down the battery like crazy (IIRC you can turn on WiFi permanently, so that it doesn't turn off when you put the phone in standby - not sure if the apps would stay connected, though)...
Thanks in advance!
I think the HD used to turn wifi off when the phone went into standby (I don't think I ever used wifi), but it used to stay connected over 3g for IM and the like when you turned the phone off (stand by)
Oh really? I thought 3G was turned off too... well, I guess that's a step in the right direction.
Anyone know about WiFi and automatic switching?
By default the WIFI is switched off when in standby, but it's possible to change it.
However, having WIFI always on will drain the battery completly.
Regarding to the automatic change, no idea!
And there's no way to lower the WiFi signal strength enough so that it doesn't drain the battery? What if you set WiFi power mode to best battery? On my Prophet it's unusable because the signal is nearly nonexistant, but I was hoping that they'd have changed this for the HD2...
Ideally it'd lower the signal strength as far as possible without dropping the signal when in standby, and then power up to a sufficient speed when the device is actually on...
Wi-Fi only turns off if you want ot too. You can change the way Wi-Fi works in the settings and let it be always on, even if you turn off the screen.
Is this new on the Leo?
Does that drain the battery quickly? Or is it in a low-power mode?
Even with the Best battery setting it won't last too long, I'm afraid. Or, as you have said, it won't have good enough reception to actually connect to anything.
I have no idea how this is implemented in Nokias, it actually sounds like a kind of magic if you're saying it doesn't kill the battery.
I've never heard about an automatic switching solution (or even about the problem, for that matter). It's relatively easy to implement periodic polling but even that will have serious adverse effect on your battery.
bemymonkey said:
Is this new on the Leo?
Does that drain the battery quickly? Or is it in a low-power mode?
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It's been on WM since times immemorial - it's a registry setting, and there are programs that allow you to change it without manually tweaking your registry.
Yes, it does drain your battery, even in low-power mode.
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Even with the Best battery setting it won't last too long, I'm afraid. Or, as you have said, it won't have good enough reception to actually connect to anything.
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Ah, so the Best Battery setting is still completely useless. Good to know.
vangrieg said:
I have no idea how this is implemented in Nokias, it actually sounds like a kind of magic if you're saying it doesn't kill the battery.
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I'm not quite sure myself, but that's what a few of the nice people over at talk.maemo.org told me . I just hope I didn't misinterpret what they were saying
vangrieg said:
I've never heard about an automatic switching solution (or even about the problem, for that matter). It's relatively easy to implement periodic polling but even that will have serious adverse effect on your battery.
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Meh. Think 12 hours is doable with polling?
vangrieg said:
It's been on WM since times immemorial - it's a registry setting, and there are programs that allow you to change it without manually tweaking your registry.
Yes, it does drain your battery, even in low-power mode.
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OK, so it's the same feature that's existed for a long time... I thought it was something new, that actually made sense (i.e. didn't drain the battery so frikken fast...).
Please note that I don't have HD2 myself, so I can only guess how it's going to work there.
Meh... you sounded so authoritative that I figured you must have one
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Ah, so the Best Battery setting is still completely useless. Good to know.
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Who says it's completely useless? It does save battery, I use this mode all the time on HD. Speed is lower though.
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Meh. Think 12 hours is doable with polling?
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It definitely should last 12 hours unless you poll every 5 seconds or so, but what will happen if it connects to Wi-Fi while in your pocket?
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Who says it's completely useless? It does save battery, I use this mode all the time on HD. Speed is lower though.
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Oh. I thought you said there were problems with getting enough reception to connect
That's usually the case on my Prophet...
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It definitely should last 12 hours unless you poll every 5 seconds or so, but what will happen if it connects to Wi-Fi while in your pocket?
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It's supposed to connect, and disconnect 3G to save on data costs (probably getting a plan with a 200mb cap...)
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Oh. I thought you said there were problems with getting enough reception to connect
That's usually the case on my Prophet...
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I think I said the Best Battery mode still drains your battery. A much lower power mode would have trouble connecting.
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It's supposed to connect, and disconnect 3G to save on data costs (probably getting a plan with a 200mb cap...)
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Sure, but you'd also drain your battery without noticing. I would certainly be cautious about it - I can connect to WiFi at work, at shopping malls, cafes, and sometimes even in the streets. I don't want to end up being unable to make a call because I saved a couple bucks. But maybe that's just me...
BTW, I did a quick poll here at my office - all Nokia owners have this feature disabled, they say it drains battery rather quickly. This is not in any way a scientific research, but I don't believe in miracles anyway.
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I think I said the Best Battery mode still drains your battery. A much lower power mode would have trouble connecting.
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vangrieg said:
Even with the Best battery setting it won't last too long, I'm afraid. Or, as you have said, it won't have good enough reception to actually connect to anything.
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That's what I meant
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Sure, but you'd also drain your battery without noticing. I would certainly be cautious about it - I can connect to WiFi at work, at shopping malls, cafes, and sometimes even in the streets. I don't want to end up being unable to make a call because I saved a couple bucks. But maybe that's just me...
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Hmmm, there should be a way to limit which networks it should connect to
vangrieg said:
BTW, I did a quick poll here at my office - all Nokia owners have this feature disabled, they say it drains battery rather quickly. This is not in any way a scientific research, but I don't believe in miracles anyway.
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Uh... what Nokias? I doubt it's the same thing, because the N900 is the first Maemo phone
E-something Nokias primarily - they have this auto WiFi feature, don't they?
Don't know anything about this Maemo thing you're talking about, obviously.
http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
That's what I'm trying to decide... N900 or HD2
I leave MSN loged in on my diamond all the time. Wifi is on. it turns wifi off in standby, but msn stays logged in over the normal network connections, I alerts me I receieved a msg in the same way it does with a text. When it comes out of standby it auto reconnects to wifi.
Does that work on Fring as well?
So,
I'm really intrigued by the Nexus one, i've been researching this thing for a bit now.
But i still have one open question, i bought a Samsung Galaxy once, but i returned it, the operating temperature was too warm for my sweaty hands.
So how does the Nexus One do heat wise? Does it get warm at all? Or does it heat up quite a bit when let's say web surfing ( via WiFi, which leads my to my next point)
So, my next point is that i will use a prepaid SIM in this phone, i'll be moving back to germany in a year, so i don't have a contract here.
So is it advisable to have this phone without a data plan? Does it ruin the entire experience if i just use Wifi? Is it even possible to turn off Cellular DATA?
I hope to hear good answers, so i can convince myself to buy this shweet and unique phone ^^
nope mine never gets hot, maybe only when charging.
could you give a comparsion on how warm it gets?
i have a zune hd, and i absolutely love it (OLED + Tegra) and it stays fairly cool, i also had an iPod touch, those 2 never really got that warm, so you're saying i won't experience a sweaty hands syndrome with this phone? That's awesome.
And to my other question about turning off mobile data, is there a particular setting that says that?
Thanks in advance!!
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So,
I'm really intrigued by the Nexus one, i've been researching this thing for a bit now.
But i still have one open question, i bought a Samsung Galaxy once, but i returned it, the operating temperature was too warm for my sweaty hands.
So how does the Nexus One do heat wise? Does it get warm at all? Or does it heat up quite a bit when let's say web surfing ( via WiFi, which leads my to my next point)
So, my next point is that i will use a prepaid SIM in this phone, i'll be moving back to germany in a year, so i don't have a contract here.
So is it advisable to have this phone without a data plan? Does it ruin the entire experience if i just use Wifi? Is it even possible to turn off Cellular DATA?
I hope to hear good answers, so i can convince myself to buy this shweet and unique phone ^^
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-yes you can turn off cellular. but thats totaly with talk also
-I believe it will ruin the experience of the nexus without data *unless your near wifi mostly*
-but Wifi is AMAZING on this puppy. things load so freakin fast. i kick my best friends iphone 3gs when were surfing on the same router.
i am next to wifi 90% of the day, so it doesn't really matter
but there's no way to just disable DATA over EDGE or 3G?
I use an application called Quick Settings which offers an option to completely turn off mobile data. I'd struggle myself on wireless only though. Sometimes when you're out and about it's invaluable to be able to look something up or check Google Maps.
I use APNdroid works really good
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_sd7K-TbcSrc/Sz7WTX5-y6I/AAAAAAAAERg/KinptuXXylI/apndroid%5B2%5D.jpg
alright! thanks for the quick replies
Hmmm, i think i'm buying this baby right naow
creepinshadow said:
alright! thanks for the quick replies
Hmmm, i think i'm buying this baby right naow
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Good Move Your going to luv this bad boy N1
creepinshadow said:
i am next to wifi 90% of the day, so it doesn't really matter
but there's no way to just disable DATA over EDGE or 3G?
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I use APNdroid on market. works fine. you can turn on and off 3G whenever you like
just one thing...
engadget.com/2010/01/20/htc-bravo-gettin-overexposed-in-the-wild/
what would you say?
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If i turn heptic feedback off (hate it!), my softkeys don't vibrate anymore..
BUT.. everytime i unlock the phone, it still vibrates.. Is there any way to turn it off (i can't stand it)?
creepinshadow said:
just one thing...
engadget.com/2010/01/20/htc-bravo-gettin-overexposed-in-the-wild/
what would you say?
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512 MB RAM > 320 MB RAM
Also, stock UI > Sense UI (FOR ME). I would rather get new ROM updates from Cyanogen etc rather than waiting months and months and months on end for HTC to update (example: what version are Heros running? )
Paul22000 said:
512 MB RAM > 320 MB RAM
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really?
Paul22000 said:
I would rather get new ROM updates from Cyanogen etc rather than waiting months and months and months on end for HTC to update (example: what version are Heros running? )
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makes sense, i had a thought about the delayed update cycle too, and since the Nexus is directly google's baby it'll always get them updates first i reckon.
If you don't have any APNs (access point names), then it won't be able to connect to any data services.
If you buy one without any contract it won't have any APN settings anyway, so as long as you don't add any, you'll be fine
One point though - I don't think wi-fi stay connected when the phone is sleeping (unlike GPRS/3G), so I'm not sure any background syncing will work very well.
I could be wrong about this, but when I have wi-fi on and sleep/switch off the screen it takes a few seconds to re-connect to wi-fi after I switch it back on again, so I assume it's off when sleeping. Maybe if you don't have any other data connection it will stay on?
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If you don't have any APNs (access point names), then it won't be able to connect to any data services.
If you buy one without any contract it won't have any APN settings anyway, so as long as you don't add any, you'll be fine
One point though - I don't think wi-fi stay connected when the phone is sleeping (unlike GPRS/3G), so I'm not sure any background syncing will work very well.
I could be wrong about this, but when I have wi-fi on and sleep/switch off the screen it takes a few seconds to re-connect to wi-fi after I switch it back on again, so I assume it's off when sleeping. Maybe if you don't have any other data connection it will stay on?
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did you actually set WiFi to NEVER turn off??
wifi settings->menu->advanced
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i am next to wifi 90% of the day, so it doesn't really matter
but there's no way to just disable DATA over EDGE or 3G?
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not data entirely from what i can find whilst keeping the phone service on.
dondian said:
Sorry for hijack
If i turn heptic feedback off (hate it!), my softkeys don't vibrate anymore..
BUT.. everytime i unlock the phone, it still vibrates.. Is there any way to turn it off (i can't stand it)?
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not from any settings in the phone you would have to ask a developer to either make an application or figure it out yourself
APNdroid rocks!
acidblade said:
I use APNdroid on market. works fine. you can turn on and off 3G whenever you like
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Like acidblade said, APNdroid will turn off cellular data without interrupting phone/sms service. It also has an option for leaving MMS on if you want.
I'm on a prepaid SIM in Italy and it's an awesome app. It's free and has a widget for turning on/off data in case you are away from wifi and need momentary web access. All it does is add "apndroid" at the end of the APN name so that the phone can't connect to the web unless you want it to. Perfect for prepaid users like myself and the OP.
-Cuzoe
Bravo has less RAM than N1. Also you are forgetting that the N1 WILL be able to run Sense or even Espresso UI and FASTER than Bravo (beacuse of more RAM) via a custom ROM.
I read on another site to simply turn off the always on in the wireless settings (not the background data in the sync menu) and my battery life has at least doubled. I was worried that my e-mail would not download or other apps would not work, but all my email still comes. The trick is that while your phone is in sleep mode it does not look for email, but once you use it the phone will get your email. Unless you MUST get your email right away, I would highly recommend changing this setting. All input would be greatly appreciated, I want to see if my good luck is working for other people. On a side note I am using Fresh ROM 2.0d.
Could you post the specific path to the setting you're talking about?
If I set my wifi to anything other than "never sleep", then once my phone goes into sleep mode I have to follow a long, convoluted, pain in the ass procedure to get wifi to work at all.
Hopefully that's not the setting you're talking about?
I posted this exact same thing in another thread two days ago. I was so stoked on my battery performance that I wanted to tell others. It's incredible the difference it makes! If you want even better performance go into Settings>Location...uncheck the use wireless networks box, and check the use GPS. Believe it or not the GPS uses a lot LESS battery life to detect your location than the wireless networks.
I'm getting like 2 whole days out of my phone now after doing these things...and that's with pretty moderate use. Hope other people try it out too.
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Could you post the specific path to the setting you're talking about?
If I set my wifi to anything other than "never sleep", then once my phone goes into sleep mode I have to follow a long, convoluted, pain in the ass procedure to get wifi to work at all.
Hopefully that's not the setting you're talking about?
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where are these options?
I agree, I used the GPS as well, not the use wireless network. I forgot about that one. Your phone will only use the GPS when it needs it, not all the time like we used to think. The exact settings are at MENU/SETTINGS/WIRELESS & NETWORKS/MOBILE NETWORKS\AND UNCHECK ENABLE ALWAYS-ON MOBILE
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If you want even better performance go into Settings>Location...uncheck the use wireless networks box, and check the use GPS. Believe it or not the GPS uses a lot LESS battery life to detect your location than the wireless networks.
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This will vary from person to person. It will depend A LOT on how good your coverage is in the spot you're currently at.
GPS is GPS. It will require the same amount of juice anywhere on the planet.
Cell chips are different. They are hardcoded to give more electricity to the radio circuit when the signal is weak, for obvious reasons. So if you have a cell tower in your back yard, then yeah, you'll get great battery performance relying on cell based options. If your nearest cell tower is 4 miles away, and you're one of those people that loses signal when you go into your basement, then telling your phone to use cell info is only going to chew up battery even faster....
no thanks. This isn't a fix, it's a pref change.
Fix would mean that everything stays the same and you just get better battery life.
But, good advice none the less, just not for me.
scirio said:
no thanks. This isn't a fix, it's a pref change.
Fix would mean that everything stays the same and you just get better battery life.
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Yeah, people on the forum use the word "fix" WAY too quickly.
"Fix" means everything works like you would expect, and like it should. Around here, people use the word "fix" when what they really mean is "here's a half-assed workaround that's a complete pain in the ass, but it will get 10% of the people by until something better comes along...."....
scirio said:
no thanks. This isn't a fix, it's a pref change.
Fix would mean that everything stays the same and you just get better battery life.
But, good advice none the less, just not for me.
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+1 - 6 minutes and counting to receive a test / text msg, while phone is sleeping. Nice the know though, if I need to really trade connectivity for battery duration. I should test whether sms polling is tied to the email polling interval. Cause it ain't interrupt driven with this setting.
edit: i know it's not really sms polling, but rather the lack of an interrupt(-ion of sleep).
Yes, you are right, it is not a fix, but a great way to increase battery life and like I said, everything works the same. I get messages the exact same way and email will go straight to my phone once I use it.
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Yes, you are right, it is not a fix, but a great way to increase battery life and like I said, everything works the same.
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You sure about that?
When my wife sends me a text, I want to see it 5 seconds later, not 5 minutes later.
That may not matter to you, but when you make a statement to the whole world, you have to realize that some of us care about things that you might not.
How thoroughly did you test before you decided to say "everything works the same"?
Did you really test EVERYTHING? Or did you just test "everything that matters to you"?
I used to turn off background data and stuff on my stock 1.5, and I was thrilled I could actually leave it on with 2.1 so I wouldn't have to wait for google voice texts and gmail to come in. With 2.1 I can go the whole day with moderate usage and still have 40% at least left when I go to bed. Let it charge overnight and I'm good. This is good to know though if I am out in the sticks in a pinch and need the extra battery.
maybe it's different in 2.1 but in 1.5 i tried turning off the "always on" setting under mobile network settings under wireless controls but i found that after a while the phone will fail to restart evdo upon awakening and the only way to fix it is reboot. Never tried it on 2.1 but to me between the time on without signal fix nd upgraded radio i get all the battery life i need...
I get messages right away. I just got another one, tested it with a friend and it came right away!
On a side note, messages and phone calls have nothing to do with the internet. Remember we used to get text messages and phone calls way before smart phones.
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On a side note, messages and phone calls have nothing to do with the internet. Remember we used to get text messages and phone calls way before smart phones.
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Key words... "Used to"....
trust me, it works for me, wish it worked for you guys. its great having amazing battery life!
bigupurself7 said:
trust me, it works for me, wish it worked for you guys. its great having amazing battery life!
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But at what cost?
That's the big question here. Are you 100% sure that you're not missing any communications, or having them delayed?
I'd LOVE to have better battery life, but when it comes down to it my phone is a communication tool. If any battery tweaks delay messages, then they're WORSE then useless, they're actually harmful.
If I wanted to use my phone as a half-assed replacement for a PSP, then I'm sure I could squeeze some amazing battery life out of it, too. But above all, and with NO compromise, I must be able to send and receive communications instantly.
That's what a phone is.
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trust me, it works for me, wish it worked for you guys. its great having amazing battery life!
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Have you rebooted while in that mode?
Yes I have rebooted and just did another test. Got the text right away. Even more interesting is I have a program called Mobile Defense which can find your phone if it is missing and that works as well since it is all done through text messages.
i got the atrix last week. and i was thinking of returning it cause i was having signal issues, wifi issues, adn it was jsut running crappy compared to my inspire...i read ALLOT this weekend on various sites and i must say after doing all the the stuff mentioned below this is new phone. i am so happy i spent some time on it and worked at it. This phone is the best i have owned and i have owened almost all android GSM phones along with balckberrys and iphones. I am running the Motorolla stock launcher and it is nice and fast..
ANyone having issues Please try this before returning
1. SBF to 1.2.6 THIS made the WORLD of diffrence. dont ask me how, but it did. Here is a link to the guide and files. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991072
2. Root and install Titanium Pro(you must have PRO to freeze)
3. Freeze all Apps from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=972459 link. pay attention to the ones you freeze depending on what you will use.
4. My 3g/EDGE issues with the handoffs was solved by changing the UMTS settings to "2g only" and NOT selecting "automatic" for operator. More on that here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1011515 ...... i dont loose my signal at all now when it hands off.
**now i know some wont want to do this but i get crappy 3g where i am so i dont care not to have 3g**
5. for my WIFI issue (Wifi having trouble connecting after phone is woken up) i went in to WIFI Settings, then click the bottom left button, then advanced and disabled WIFI sleep. That did it for me.
This phone is still running blur - all the apps, widgets i froze and runs perfect. i am super happy. VERY fast and INCREDIBLE battery Life...Please try all of this before posting its junk and you returned it. I am jsut saying that this made the world of diffrecne for me and i hope it does for all of you as well..
Good luck!!
**UPDATE** Went home to test the 3g theory, and i always get H+ when i put my phone in the kitchen window. one bar. today, EDGE all the time i was home with full signal. so the 2g Toggle DOES work i guess.....
Just thought I'd share. It's a trick I learned on the Samsung epic OG
No root needed very simple
Go to dialer pad
Enter *#0011#
When the info screen appears hit the menu hard key
You'll see wifi.... Click it
Next you'll see by default powersave mode is enabled. (it sets signal power to 6 out of 10)
Uncheck powersave mode
And that's it. Watch the signal on your wifi in areas where you had maybe 1 bar you'll have 3 now etc.
Enjoy
Sprint GS5 Moars 6.2
This screwed up my battery
OP, Can you undo this if it gives any issues (like the battery one above)?
arozer said:
OP, Can you undo this if it gives any issues (like the battery one above)?
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yes do the exact same thing but check the power save box.
i see no battery difference at all ive been doing it since the samsung epic. in fact theres a way to allow LTE to connect at a higher decibel than normal (then you'll have LTE at farther distances) but i cant find the proper code yet. its under Entry RX
in the dialer codes
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This screwed up my battery
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This is expected IMO. I mean you are physically unchecking "power save" which I believe increases the gain on the amplifier. Unless you are actually suffering from poor wifi signal in an area where there's nothing you can do about it, I would leave it as is. If you're having wifi issues in your home, I would upgrade hardware or add a wifi repeater before messing with the phone.