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Having written StylusLock I wanted an additional lock/unlock method. Although StylusLock works great, I wanted some extra features:
* to have it possible to lock and unlock "one handed". The StylusLock approach cannot be done "one handed", e.g. on a bike.
* Also some people do not like to operate with the StylusLock (always).
* The combination with this new CapacitiveFingerLock and existing StylusLock will suit more people.
* And sometimes people will use the Stylus, so they will get the right behaviour depended on the usage pattern
* Still the goal is to let it consume almost no CPU and battery and KISS to operate
I discovered with StylusLock that when the TouchPanel and Hardware keys are locked, still the Zoom function works in e.g. Opera.
You can try yourself, using StylusLock:
1. Start Opera
2. Lock the Touch Diamond or Touch Pro with StylusLock
3. TouchPanel and all hardware keys are locked
4. Try to Zoom in/Zoom out in Opera, this still works with the NavWheel
5. Also the Ok button seems to react
I figured out via Scott Seligman and Koushik Dutta how to programmatically access the Capacative Touchpads. You can read also more here: [REF]Capacitive touchpad apps
So this idea is implemented in CapacativeFingerLock. But I am not using the NavWheel idea, but just uses the Capacative hardware area for locking/unlocking. The idea is again simple and clever. When you softly touch the area where the hardware keys are located (so do not press the keys, just gently touch them), the up/down and position area can be detected. I programmed that when the same area is touched gently 3 times within a second (without touching another area), the lock status is toggled.
I made a proof of concept program (just copy the exe inside the zip file attachment to your phone and just execute it), which shows how it is going to work. Just play around with softly touching the hardware panel, to see what happens.
If am working on integrating CapacativeFingerLock with StylusLock, to have a working "real locking" application. The Proof of Concept program just shows that it is possible.
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Another one for future use.
very nice concept....now i noticed you posted a link of this thread in the wheel to unlock thread...would there be a way to possibly implement a config tool that lets you choose say, touch 3 times softly, or run your finger around the circle?
Malik05 said:
very nice concept....now i noticed you posted a link of this thread in the wheel to unlock thread...would there be a way to possibly implement a config tool that lets you choose say, touch 3 times softly, or run your finger around the circle?
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In principle this can be done. But because the NavWheel is also used for other purposes (Zoom In/Out), I have chosen not to use the NavWheel, but the 3 times gently touching. In this way there is no interference with other existing applications.
I'll try that, it seems like no one cares aboyt the capacitive touch pad, it seems like an amazing thing that we've got that is so neglected. I hope to give some positive feedback later, but first I have some rom flashing to play with!
Thanks for the work, there must be so many possible implementations for this, I hope this is just the beginning of something much bigger.
How about a simple tap to launch app?
i went ahead and installed it, and it works very well...Will there be a (pretty) GUI to show that it was unlocked?
Also the diamond does have multi touch on that pad area, which enables a "trace" of the movement of your touch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Owgcos_KY
Since the nav sensor wont be so ideal, how about sliding your finger from the top of the pad to the bottom (lets say, place your finger on the back button, and gently moving it down to initiate unlock, with a GUI on the screen following your movement, as you go closer to the bottom, the color changes from lets say, red, to green...with incremental color changes in between)
Instead of 3 taps, why not a swipe between the home and back keys, which seems much more natural.
Surur
surur said:
Instead of 3 taps, why not a swipe between the home and back keys, which seems much more natural.
Surur
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I imagine it is just harder to implement for a proof of concept.
Personally I think there are enough ways to lock the diamond, whether you swipe the screen or 1cm below it is not a revolution, but if swiping the capacitive touch pad could be made to launch desired apps from selected gestures, that would be a revolution, like dynamo3 or hibernate or even standby. I think a lot of people here would want that over another locking solution. Good will intended!
Just tried it.
This is very cool very very cool
Thanks for time invested in such a cool development.
surur said:
Instead of 3 taps, why not a swipe between the home and back keys, which seems much more natural.
Surur
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Swiping is not so easy one handed. Touching gently 3 times is much easier one handed, holding your Touch Diamond or Touch Pro firmly and touching with your thumb.
However, I can imagine other sort of applications which can use the swiping for other sort of operations. Both are possible with the programming API I made.
uniqueboy said:
I imagine it is just harder to implement for a proof of concept.
Personally I think there are enough ways to lock the diamond, whether you swipe the screen or 1cm below it is not a revolution, but if swiping the capacitive touch pad could be made to launch desired apps from selected gestures, that would be a revolution, like dynamo3 or hibernate or even standby. I think a lot of people here would want that over another locking solution. Good will intended!
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I am going to share the source code. I have written it in C#. And others can get ideas and take over some of the source code for their own application. At the end we profit all of it.
ZuinigeRijder said:
I am going to share the source code. I have written it in C#. And others can get ideas and take over some of the source code for their own application. At the end we profit all of it.
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I like your style, that is the the kind of development attitude that keeps here!
ZuinigeRijder said:
Swiping is not so easy one handed. Touching gently 3 times is much easier one handed, holding your Touch Diamond or Touch Pro firmly and touching with your thumb.
However, I can imagine other sort of applications which can use the swiping for other sort of operations. Both are possible with the programming API I made.
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If you are open to other ideas, I would love the area from the back to home key to be a scroll bar when the device is in landscape mode. Grabbing the narrow on-screen scroll bar can be tricky, and the Touch Pro lacks the scroll wheel of the HTC Kaiser.
Surur
Have been looking into this myself as well. The only code I found was managed C#. Do you think we can use this in our native C code? Looks promising though!
ZuinigeRijder said:
Having written StylusLock I wanted an additional lock/unlock method. Although StylusLock works great, I wanted some extra features:
* to have it possible to lock and unlock "one handed". The StylusLock approach cannot be done "one handed", e.g. on a bike.
* Also some people do not like to operate with the StylusLock (always).
* The combination with this new CapacitiveFingerLock and existing StylusLock will suit more people.
* And sometimes people will use the Stylus, so they will get the right behaviour depended on the usage pattern
* Still the goal is to let it consume almost no CPU and battery and KISS to operate
I discovered with StylusLock that when the TouchPanel and Hardware keys are locked, still the Zoom function works in e.g. Opera.
You can try yourself, using StylusLock:
1. Start Opera
2. Lock the Touch Diamond or Touch Pro with StylusLock
3. TouchPanel and all hardware keys are locked
4. Try to Zoom in/Zoom out in Opera, this still works with the NavWheel
5. Also the Ok button seems to react
I figured out via Scott Seligman and Koushik Dutta how to programmatically access the Capacative Touchpads. You can read also more here: [REF]Capacitive touchpad apps
So this idea is implemented in CapacativeFingerLock. But I am not using the NavWheel idea, but just uses the Capacative hardware area for locking/unlocking. The idea is again simple and clever. When you softly touch the area where the hardware keys are located (so do not press the keys, just gently touch them), the up/down and position area can be detected. I programmed that when the same area is touched gently 3 times within a second (without touching another area), the lock status is toggled.
I made a proof of concept program (just copy the exe inside the zip file attachment to your phone and just execute it), which shows how it is going to work. Just play around with softly touching the hardware panel, to see what happens.
If am working on integrating CapacativeFingerLock with StylusLock, to have a working "real locking" application. The Proof of Concept program just shows that it is possible.
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A while ago I posted about the Windows Messages received by the form for capacitive touch events. Is that what you ended up using to figure out where on panel is being touched? Mind posting some code so I can add it to the Sensors assembly?
Great idea. Defienetly it will be my way of locking device. StylusLock works nice but can't be operated by one hand so its useless for me. SensorLock uses battery and i've drop my phone already unlocking it.
surur said:
If you are open to other ideas, I would love the area from the back to home key to be a scroll bar when the device is in landscape mode. Grabbing the narrow on-screen scroll bar can be tricky, and the Touch Pro lacks the scroll wheel of the HTC Kaiser.
Surur
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This can be surely done, programmatically. But I do not know if you can control the scrolling of other applications. The latter seems to me difficult?
Anyway, when a lot of applications are going to use gestures using the capacative areas, there will be going conflicts (different programs reacting differently on different gestures).
For the locking application I want to made, I see also some different gestures possibilities:
- 3 taps for locking/unlocking
- swipe left to right for Power off
- swipe right to left for starting a configured application
And I am sure I can come up with other gestures and actions....
drvdijk said:
Have been looking into this myself as well. The only code I found was managed C#. Do you think we can use this in our native C code? Looks promising though!
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Actually I started with C++ and had also a working Proof Of Concept. However, because I am new to Windows Mobile Programming, I also wanted to use C# as next project. I have developed programs in a lot of languages (also in C++ and C#), but I like C# more. And I wanted to do this now for Windows Mobile, to get experience with this. Note that the C# sample is using only .NET 2.0, so you do not need .NET 3.5.
You can find a C++ sensortest program, which was available on Scott's weblog:
http://scottandmichelle.net/scott/cestuff/sensortest.zip
ZuinigeRijder said:
This can be surely done, programmatically. But I do not know if you can control the scrolling of other applications. The latter seems to me difficult?
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I dont know if you can manipulate the scroll bar of another application directly (though this would be ideal) but at the least maybe a page down keystroke could be sent to the active window.
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I am not sure how others take notes and avoid this issue, but when I attempt to take notes on the Note, almost always my palm touches the "Menu" or the "Back" capacitive button and the note in progress either gets saved or cancelled.
I was looking forward to writing on the note extensively for note-taking, but it seems impossible with the palm touching the capacitive buttons. Would a developer with know-how on this subject look into disabling the capacitive buttons while taking notes with the S Pen and the palm placed on the screen, or devise another solution? Thanks for exploring this issue in advance.
Please note:
Anyone commenting on this thread, I appreciate your intentions, but please DO NOT suggest ANY OTHER APP. I am purely focused on the S Note and Memo apps.
Well there is a way to disable the buttons on many roms already. Are you talking about a way to do it while unrooted? And are you trying to keep the touchwiz interface and use the smemo app??
No, You can turn the light off, but the button sup works. I think he wants to disable then completely.
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btyork said:
No, You can turn the light off, but the button sup works. I think he wants to disable then completely.
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Yes, I was wondering if the buttons can be disabled completely while taking notes, regardless of the ROM. Taking notes while the palm is lifted off the screen is just not natural and am not sure how Samsung saw people writing like that.
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incisivekeith said:
I am not sure how others take notes and avoid this issue, but when I attempt to take notes on the Note, almost always my palm touches the "Menu" or the "Back" capacitive button and the note in progress either gets saved or cancelled.
I was looking forward to writing on the note extensively for note-taking, but it seems impossible with the palm touching the capacitive buttons. Would a developer with know-how on this subject look into disabling the capacitive buttons while taking notes with the S Pen and the palm placed on the screen, or devise another solution? Thanks for exploring this issue in advance.
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There are few apps in the market that have palm reject feature. This will disable the capacitive buttons.
Even the standard s memo should have this feature.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24989757&postcount=4537
here is a script to disable the capitative buttons, it works perfectly on stunners rom ( haven't tried on any others ) and with the euphoria control you can disable the lights so those buttons are gone forever
I think this issue has been addressed in the new ICS stock ROM. For example, if you use your finger to press the capacitive button in S Memo, the button will work as intended. But if you place your entire palm on the right-lower part of the screen (including the capacitive button), the button doesn't respond. I just tried writing a long note with my palm resting on the screen and the capacitive button, and the app was working fine.)
I don't know if it makes a difference, but in the S Memo settings, I had set the screen to only respond to S Pen edits. Just FYI.
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I think this issue has been addressed in the new ICS stock ROM. For example, if you use your finger to press the capacitive button in S Memo, the button will work as intended. But if you place your entire palm on the right-lower part of the screen (including the capacitive button), the button doesn't respond. I just tried writing a long note with my palm resting on the screen and the capacitive button, and the app was working fine.)
I don't know if it makes a difference, but in the S Memo settings, I had set the screen to only respond to S Pen edits. Just FYI.
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Setting the screen to respond to just the pen helps a lot actually, but as you slide down while writing, the palm becomes less of a palm surface and touches the back button and the note gets saved. So it would greatly help of someone can disable the capacitive buttons altogether until some action is taken to wake them up.
The script suggested in the post above seems like an option but a simpler solution would be great.
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incisivekeith said:
I am not sure how others take notes and avoid this issue, but when I attempt to take notes on the Note, almost always my palm touches the "Menu" or the "Back" capacitive button and the note in progress either gets saved or cancelled.
I was looking forward to writing on the note extensively for note-taking, but it seems impossible with the palm touching the capacitive buttons. Would a developer with know-how on this subject look into disabling the capacitive buttons while taking notes with the S Pen and the palm placed on the screen, or devise another solution? Thanks for exploring this issue in advance.
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+111
It will be nice if someone can help to disable this annoying button.
There's no way to detect the palm everywhere - it would require quite a few painful changes in AOSP.
There is obviously a way to disable capacitive buttons totally, but you'd need to reboot to toggle.
As I said before since the later releases of GB rom , when using s memo , there is an auto detect feature which rejects palm and also disables the capacitive buttons.
Try pressing the capacitive button with the s pen close to the screen.
@Galaxy Note™…
aalupatti said:
As I said before since the later releases of GB rom , when using s memo , there is an auto detect feature which rejects palm and also disables the capacitive buttons.
Try pressing the capacitive button with the s pen close to the screen.
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I confirm. I'm on official ics and the capacitive buttons are disabled when the pen is too close to the screen (and it's anywhere not only in smemo)
Now, I got the trick. Usually I put my palm before the pen reaches the screen.
User should put the pen then they can put his palm wherever he wants, nothing will happen both buttons are disabled.
TEST in ICS official LPY.
Thanks a lot.
Damn ... This was what i trying to say from the begining...
yyl said:
I think this issue has been addressed in the new ICS stock ROM. For example, if you use your finger to press the capacitive button in S Memo, the button will work as intended. But if you place your entire palm on the right-lower part of the screen (including the capacitive button), the button doesn't respond. I just tried writing a long note with my palm resting on the screen and the capacitive button, and the app was working fine.)
I don't know if it makes a difference, but in the S Memo settings, I had set the screen to only respond to S Pen edits. Just FYI.
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Thanks buddy. Now I can take notes with my palm resting.
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iT iS Me said:
Now, I got the trick. Usually I put my palm before the pen reaches the screen.
User should put the pen then they can put his palm wherever he wants, nothing will happen both buttons are disabled.
TEST in ICS official LPY.
Thanks a lot.
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I understand what you and alupatti are saying but when I am writing on the screen, the palm will slide down and it's not always you can focus on placing your pen first on the screen.
Thanks xplodwild for your input, too, as a developer. It just seems like a case of poor design which we are stuck with, unfortunately, until there is a real solution.
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incisivekeith said:
I understand what you and alupatti are saying but when I am writing on the screen, the palm will slide down and it's not always you can focus on placing your pen first on the screen.
Thanks xplodwild for your input, too, as a developer. It just seems like a case of poor design which we are stuck with, unfortunately, until there is a real solution.
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The pen need not be on the screen. It activates when the pen is a few mm away from the screen
It might look silly but consider taking notes with your phone upside down. That way the evil capacitive buttons won't get in the way
Disable buttons
Check my sig....flashable zip to disable and re-enable the back and menu button.
Doesn't affect the lights, just the functionality of the buttons.
@tremeron. Do you think your disable buttons flash zip can be adapted like a on/off switch on toggle bar or somehing like that?
The touch input in this device is so bad i have to use my stylus pen to browse webs(i can never touch the back page button on google chrome instead it touches the forward page button instead),close programs(touch the top of the screen and pulling it down never works), opening the charm bar(swiping my finger from the right of the screen to the left never works too).
I tried calibrating it by searching calibrate on the charm bar's search feature but they doesn't work as well.
Any way to fix this? Its getting so annoying because i can't use the touch screen feature at all because its not precise.
thekiller99 said:
The touch input in this device is so bad i have to use my stylus pen to browse webs(i can never touch the back page button on google chrome instead it touches the forward page button instead),close programs(touch the top of the screen and pulling it down never works), opening the charm bar(swiping my finger from the right of the screen to the left never works too).
I tried calibrating it by searching calibrate on the charm bar's search feature but they doesn't work as well.
Any way to fix this? Its getting so annoying because i can't use the touch screen feature at all because its not precise.
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Dont have one myself, but I played with one at Frys, and I gotta say I didnt see any of these issues at all! Maybe you got a bad one???
thekiller99 said:
The touch input in this device is so bad i have to use my stylus pen to browse webs(i can never touch the back page button on google chrome instead it touches the forward page button instead),close programs(touch the top of the screen and pulling it down never works), opening the charm bar(swiping my finger from the right of the screen to the left never works too).
I tried calibrating it by searching calibrate on the charm bar's search feature but they doesn't work as well.
Any way to fix this? Its getting so annoying because i can't use the touch screen feature at all because its not precise.
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Make sure your navigation gestures start from the black bezel of the Vaio then onto the touchscreen. You can use the calibration tool, change pen and touch settings, and change double clicking of objects to single tap to make the experience better. I'm not sure if the registry change to make touch more responsive for surface rt applies to your Intel tablet.
I'm with @vinscuzzy on this one... generally speaking I detest Sony products, but this sounds like a defective unit more than anything else. I'm not sure what you mean by "calibration doesn't work as well" (grammar, people: it conveys meaning). but if you can't fix this yourself, I would definitely suggest you take it back to wherever you got it.
When i use the calibration settings whenever i try to touch the cross it shows the input to be slightly on the right. i can't even close apps or use the multitasking. Closing tabs is hard or even clicking on links on google isn't accurate at all.
I bought this machine overseas and it isn't even out in my country so replacing it is too much of a hassle.
I almost considered it. But found there is a problem with the drivers, especially with Photoshop supposedly MS and Sony are using a specific driver but its not compatible with certain apps that use a different format of driver like Photoshop for touch.
The driver developers as far as I'm aware via googling don't seem interested in fixing this issue due to cost and/or it being niche market. Maybe try other software, I hope you don't have faulty system
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if you gays already rooted the device ,then must use
gmd spen control
and gmd gesture control.
its not free app, but it deserve the price.
(or can find on google).
the most valueable thing is disable finger touch
use it, u'll never regret
dnlwnsah said:
if you gays already rooted the device ,then must use
gmd spen control
and gmd gesture control.
its not free app, but it deserve the price.
(or can find on google).
the most valueable thing is disable finger touch
use it, u'll never regret
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I used to love GMD and still use it, but on the Note I'm relying more on LMT for gestures.
I have two issues with GMD:
The finger and pen versions keep track separately of the recent applications used, which causes problems if you use the Prev App/Next App functions with mixed input.
The pen version lacks the option to prevent other applications to register touch in the gestures starting zones. Combined with the lack of a navigation bar on the Note, this makes impossible to use my favorite gesture, an horizontal swipe on the bottom of the screen to switch apps.
So I'm using LMT pie controls for two reasons. I have the Home, Recent Apps, and Alt+Tab functions on the pie dial, since I don't like pressing the hardware button especially with the pen.
I'd have liked to use the Prev/Next apps functions on the pie as well, but they work unbelievably on LMT. Still the pie will prevent other apps to register touch on its starting zones, and doesn't interfere with GMD, so putting it at the bottom of the screen also allowed me to do the horizontal swipe gesture with the pen without interferences.
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if you gays (...)
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sorry for asking, but what about other orientations?
for custom or AOSP type rom, this is great to get SPen gesture back.
Open pie menu using stylus only. Put stylus oriented apps in pie menu-like launcher. How can I achieve this. I'm loosing sleep over such a feature.
it would work like this...
All is normal. Un-silo stylus, then swipe inward from edge of screen using stylus. Pie menu opens, but only if initiated using stylus. I can do the rest from there.
I cannot find anything using search RE: this. One would think Galaxy Note XYZ forums for this, but alas.
Any takers?
mrm0rbid99 said:
Open pie menu using stylus only. Put stylus oriented apps in pie menu-like launcher. How can I achieve this. I'm loosing sleep over such a feature.
it would work like this...
All is normal. Un-silo stylus, then swipe inward from edge of screen using stylus. Pie menu opens, but only if initiated using stylus. I can do the rest from there.
I cannot find anything using search RE: this. One would think Galaxy Note XYZ forums for this, but alas.
Any takers?
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You could achieve this with LMT and tasker combined together.
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Go on. What would i setup in my tasker profile?
mrm0rbid99 said:
Go on. What would i setup in my tasker profile?
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When pen is removed activate lmt when pen is returned deactivate lmt you will have to find the task for the stylus being removed and replaced. But since it turns the screen on it should be in there somewhere.
I guess I need to brush up on Tasker a little more before I attempt such a feat. I guess this would be a good way for me to start learning! Any tips or suggestions would be much appreciated.
If I can manage to accomplish this, I'll post any results.
Pen remove/return as trigger
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When pen is removed activate lmt when pen is returned deactivate lmt you will have to find the task for the stylus being removed and replaced. But since it turns the screen on it should be in there somewhere.
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I just got a shield tablet and wanted to use the pen remove/return as a tasker trigger for something else. Please, could you tell me how to set that up as a trigger? I just haven't been able to find it.