Hello, I am a bit confused. When the wifi version came out, users in this forum mentioned that there was no lag and the device was fast even running multiple apps. Now, I have read some postings saying that lag still exists. Could anybody please clarify? Is the LTE version faster and have longer battery usage?
hajime_android said:
Hello, I am a bit confused. When the wifi version came out, users in this forum mentioned that there was no lag and the device was fast even running multiple apps. Now, I have read some postings saying that lag still exists. Could anybody please clarify? Is the LTE version faster and have longer battery usage?
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I've read that the speed is negligible. Also I've read that the LTE version has a quick charge option & that it plays 4k video whereas the Wi Fi version doesn't & can't. I have the WI Fi version & I plan on keeping it mainly for update reasons (I don't like waiting for carrier approval). But I'm not certain about all this & would also like some clarity from those who may know a bit more about these differences.
loQ on said:
I've read that the speed is negligible. Also I've read that the LTE version has a quick charge option & that it plays 4k video whereas the Wi Fi version doesn't & can't. I have the WI Fi version & I plan on keeping it mainly for update reasons (I don't like waiting for carrier approval). But I'm not certain about all this & would also like some clarity from those who may know a bit more about these differences.
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I think you're right about updates. The LTE version from Verizon will never be updated unless Verizon pushes an update and you won't be able to flash newer ROMs because they lock their bootloaders. With wi-fi version at least you know it's hackable and you can flash updated ROMs all you want.
And charging speed isn't a big deal if you charge it overnight. Plus 4k is really rare anyways so no big deal there.
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I have the wifi version and it is running smoothly. However, I was actually concern about the speed performance compare to the LTE version before I got the wifi. To be honest with you, I have no issue or complaints about the device. Everything running as it support to be. If you don't need the LTE like me, I tether it through my phone. Go with the wifi because as far as I have read it is only about charging speed and small differences. This is just my opinion and you will save money.
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I think you're right about updates. The LTE version from Verizon will never be updated unless Verizon pushes an update and you won't be able to flash newer ROMs because they lock their bootloaders. With wi-fi version at least you know it's hackable and you can flash updated ROMs all you want.
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As the owner of a Verizon galaxy tab 10.1 who had to suffer through a 2 year contract I can attest to this. After purchasing it with honeycomb Verizon/samsung updated the tablet twice in the past 2.5 years. The ice cream sandwich update came about 5 months after ICS was out and at least a couple months after it was out on the wifi variant of the 10.1.
I just cancelled my service on that tablet in favor of tethering the wifi note pro as I am not going to pay this kind of money for a device with limited support. My 10.1 sits in a dock now at work in front of my keyboard serving as a glorified mp3 player and a testament to why I abhor carrier based devices.
Had it not been for the efforts of pershoot on the original galaxy tab 10.1 series it would have been even harder. Other than his incorporation of the Verizon variant into CM10 there were no custom ROMs for my tablet (there was probably one clean ROM but no ASAP type ROMs). I happily endured beta testing his builds for him and spent countless nights flashing his test builds.
I truly hope that some good developers pick up the LTE versions and build for them. Perhaps with the different cpu package they will, there was no such incentive on the original galaxy tab 10.1 series.
Oh and as for the question about battery life goes, I'm confident that the LTE variant will have less battery life all things being equal. It's just par for the course with LTE over wifi, as evidenced by any smartphone that enters a bad signal area compared to it being on wifi. Don't get me wrong, I loved the always on Internet access but this time around I just couldn't pull the trigger...
muzzy, I can see your disdain for verizon. I opted for LTE because of the snapdragon 800 chipset (has quick charge 2.0 just like the Note 3), this wasnt present on other lte tablets. Wifi, I usually like as well but the recharge time on my previous tablets had me looking for a newer solution.
Galaxy tab 2 10.1 wifi
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If I am buying, I will buy from a vendor rather than from a phone company. What are the advantageous and disadvantages of the LTE version over the wifi version?
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If I am buying, I will buy from a vendor rather than from a phone company. What are the advantageous and disadvantages of the LTE version over the wifi version?
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I used the WiFi version for about 13 days, then returned it and plan on getting the LTE version.
I found the WiFi version to be mostly smooth (certainly smoother than the Note 10.1 2014 edition, that uses the same processor), however it does indeed have minor lag.
Here are the reasons why I want the LTE version ( because it uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor) over the WiFi
1. LTE version is faster and smoother without lag (unlike the WiFi version - every Exynos device I've used has had lag )
2. There's a wider range of compatible apps for the Snapdragon (some apps I use don't work that well with Exynos chipsets)
3. LTE version changes faster
Of course the LTE version is more expensive and may not get updates as quickly as the WiFi version.
I'm not planning on getting the Verizon version but rather the international unlocked version.
Verizon's track record on updates is simply brutal. Be prepared that you may see one update in a year and then they will most likely stop updating all together. Picked up a 7.7 last year. Got one update and that was it. Still stuck on ICS. All the custom rom's won't let the radio work even though they say they are for the i815 (Verizon model). I got 2. One for me and one for my wife and they are basically paperweights at this point. Never again. I'll tether my Wifi versions and not be tied to a contract for a device that rarely gets an update.
As for performance, My understanding was there is no significant performance difference between the Wifi and LTE. I know the Snapdragon will charge faster but since I let mine charge overnight, this is not a big deal for me.
Also kep in mind, you can root the WiFi version. My guess is the Verizon version may not be as simple to root and there probably won't be a ton of custom roms for it either though that is just a guess based on my previous expereince with Verizon tablets.
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I used the WiFi version for about 13 days, then returned it and plan on getting the LTE version.
I found the WiFi version to be mostly smooth (certainly smoother than the Note 10.1 2014 edition, that uses the same processor), however it does indeed have minor lag.
Here are the reasons why I want the LTE version ( because it uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor) over the WiFi
1. LTE version is faster and smoother without lag (unlike the WiFi version - every Exynos device I've used has had lag )
2. There's a wider range of compatible apps for the Snapdragon (some apps I use don't work that well with Exynos chipsets)
3. LTE version changes faster
Of course the LTE version is more expensive and may not get updates as quickly as the WiFi version.
I'm not planning on getting the Verizon version but rather the international unlocked version.
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Verizon's track record on updates is simply brutal. Be prepared that you may see one update in a year and then they will most likely stop updating all together. Picked up a 7.7 last year. Got one update and that was it. Still stuck on ICS. All the custom rom's won't let the radio work even though they say they are for the i815 (Verizon model). I got 2. One for me and one for my wife and they are basically paperweights at this point. Never again. I'll tether my Wifi versions and not be tied to a contract for a device that rarely gets an update.
As for performance, My understanding was there is no significant performance difference between the Wifi and LTE. I know the Snapdragon will charge faster but since I let mine charge overnight, this is not a big deal for me.
Also kep in mind, you can root the WiFi version. My guess is the Verizon version may not be as simple to root and there probably won't be a ton of custom roms for it either though that is just a guess based on my previous expereince with Verizon tablets.
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Hi,
I saw your post and thought I'd chime in here with a little info. I'm surprised that you returned the wifi model. The LTE version will definitely not get as many updates as the wifi model will. This is a most assuredly fact. especially if you are going to get the Verizon model. Verizon's track record is unbelievably terrible when it comes to releasing updates for their tablets. Just doing a general search on Verizon & tablets will fill your whole screen with pages and pages of complaints about this issue.
As far as the unlocked version that you mentioned I cannot really say. It will depend on the carrier that you choose to get coverage with. Just keep in mind that it is an LTE version that you are getting and there are only so many carriers. Among those carriers they themselves will have to test and approve updates as they are released by Samsung before they are rolled out to the devices themselves. So basically, when Samsung releases an update, non LTE models will get the update first. The LTE models will be limited to the software being tested an approved by the LTE provider, along with many features being locked out or removed from the software itself.
As for your post #1 that states:
LTE version is faster and smoother without lag (unlike the WiFi version - every Exynos device I've used has had lag )
This is most definitely untrue. It has been logistically proven without objection that the Exynos Octacore processor has more brutal knockdown power under a constant minimal and or maximal load than the Snapdragon processor. You might want to look further into your research on this because their is pages of data available on the Web that show this tested data readily available for your consideration.
You mentioned the LTE version does charge faster. I can say that is definitely a fact and you are correct. However the reason they intend for the faster charging is because of the cellular intended purpose. That being said, keep in mind the faster the charge is applied, the faster the battery consumption will be also. Not to mention that with the 9500maH battery the lifespan will inevitably be shorter as well. Over time you will notice that the charges will get faster and faster then will stabilize at a certain point. However the Non LTE versions will charge more slowly, giving the battery life a more in depth charge and a longer life span.
If the only reason your are wanting the LTE version is because of the "Lag", then I just want to let you know that you should definitely test the LTE version before making your purchase. If you place them side by side and test them under a minimal and maximal load, you'll see the Exynos will have less lag than the LTE version.
Please don't take offense to my opinion. Im only basing my opinion on what is factual from certified research information and my experience as a developer and consumer of both products.
stondec100 said:
I used the WiFi version for about 13 days, then returned it and plan on getting the LTE version.
I found the WiFi version to be mostly smooth (certainly smoother than the Note 10.1 2014 edition, that uses the same processor), however it does indeed have minor lag.
Here are the reasons why I want the LTE version ( because it uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor) over the WiFi
1. LTE version is faster and smoother without lag (unlike the WiFi version - every Exynos device I've used has had lag )
2. There's a wider range of compatible apps for the Snapdragon (some apps I use don't work that well with Exynos chipsets)
3. LTE version changes faster
Of course the LTE version is more expensive and may not get updates as quickly as the WiFi version.
I'm not planning on getting the Verizon version but rather the international unlocked version.
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Thanks for the info. I am also planning to get an international version. I don't live in the US. I am not affected by those carriers. I haven't heard of "There's a wider range of compatible apps for the Snapdragon". I thought except the phone app, whatever works under the wifi version should work under the LTE version. What apps are compatible only with the Snapdragon? Any examples?
stondec100 said:
Here are the reasons why I want the LTE version ( because it uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor) over the WiFi
1. LTE version is faster and smoother without lag (unlike the WiFi version - every Exynos device I've used has had lag )
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The Exynos vs. S-800 debate is no different here than it is in the N3 and N10.1-14 forums. The N12 isn't new (it's a jumbo N10.1-14 which is already five months old) and there's nothing about it h/w wise that would make it behave any differently than the devices that came before it. Exynos and S-800 are so close in performance as to be undetectable. Certain games may perform better on Adreno than Mali but it's not so biased that people are complaining. Most of the lag being reported is in transitions and apps opening/closing. Those function never move off the A7 core in Exynos and probably use two of the four S-800 cores. Throwing more powerful h/w at the issue isn't going to change anything. The lag is caused by s/w and the s/w is materially the same on Exynos and Octa versions. I have a 3G Exynos N10.1-14 and have played with European LTE S-800 versions. I couldn't detect a performance difference and neither could my friends who own the S-800 version. And any performance difference you detect between the N10.1-14 and N12 is purely related to one being on 4.3 and the other on 4.4 with modifications to Samsung's UI and most likely drivers.
2. There's a wider range of compatible apps for the Snapdragon (some apps I use don't work that well with Exynos chipsets)
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Link? Outside of a handful of games there's been nothing I've seen to support your statement. The bigger issues is apps that aren't optimized for the 2560x1600 display which affects both SoC's equally.
3. LTE version changes faster
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This is definitely true. Charging the Exynos devices is painfully long.
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As for your post #1 that states:
LTE version is faster and smoother without lag (unlike the WiFi version - every Exynos device I've used has had lag )
This is most definitely untrue. It has been logistically proven without objection that the Exynos Octacore processor has more brutal knockdown power under a constant minimal and or maximal load than the Snapdragon processor. You might want to look further into your research on this because their is pages of data available on the Web that show this tested data readily available for your consideration.
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You might want to take a look at the Verizon Note Pro thread. On game based benchmarks, the LTE version came up14% faster on Epic Citadel, and 50 to 200% faster in Anomaly 2 than the wifi version. Snapdragon seems to be more efficient at handling the graphics load, which might also effect perception of lag.
I appreciate the replies to my post.
1) My opinion that they Snapdragon is always smoother than the Exynos and doesn't suffer lag like the Exynos is based on experience.
I've had several Exynos devices, all with lag, especially with the Keyboard and when scrolling on chrome browser and then intermittently in various parts of the UI ( Galaxy Note 2, Galaxy note 10.1, Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition). The Qualcomm devices I own do not exhibit the same annoying lag (galaxy S III, Galaxy Note 3, Tmobile version)
2. As far as compatible apps, I've had developers tell me that the reason why their app wasn't functioning well on my Note 2 was because Samsung doesn't release certain codes\drivers for their Exynos processor and that those apps would function better on Qualcomm processors. An example that comes readily to mind is call recorder by Skvalex. Also PDF max, when using the ink tool is very laggy on Exynos devices, but not on my Note 3
3) As far as comparing both the wifi and LTE versions, I actually have had hands on with both of them and in my experience the LTE version is smoother.
I really do not plan on buying the Verizon LTE because of their shenanigans as far as locked bootloader and abominable update stance. I'm still looking to get the international unlocked version, and not really for the LTE, but more for the superior Qualcomm processor.
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I've had several Exynos devices, all with lag.
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The only Exynos devices pertinent to this discussion are the N3 and N10.1-14. The SGS4 used Exynos 5410 which, sadly for its owners, was pretty much an Octa beta test. I have a S-800 N3 and Exynos N10.1-14. I've played with Exynos N3's and S-800 N10.1-14's. In terms of everyday use (app opening closings, transitions, in-app performance) I haven't been able to detect a difference. Neither have friends who've played with both versions also. The are people in the N10.1-14 forum who went from Wi-Fi versions to LTE versions and reported they performed the same.
Perhaps in certain games or high-demand apps Adreno may outperform Mali but in all but rare occasions not enough for it to matter. Adreno 330, Mali T628, and PowerVR G6430 are the three most powerful GPU's on the market right now. They are probably in about 10% of deployed devices. Are people implying that a +/- 10% difference between the above GPU's is so important that the 90% of GPU's in use (which are a minimum of 25% behind the above mentioned) are suddenly useless and games and high-demand apps will perform poorly? It's actually the reverse. Developers know that the majority of device GPU's don't perform as well as newer releases and design for the middle.
It's also useless comparing Exynos and S-800 on all but the same device. My N3 is significantly more fluid than my N10.1-14 but it has nothing to do with Exynos and everything to do with the huge disparity in display area (amount of overall pixels being pushed).
Everyone's entitled to their opinion but some of what's being pointed out isn't supported by commentary on XDA. If the difference between Exynos and S-800 were as pronounced as being claimed the N3 and N10.1-14 forums would be lit up like Christmas trees discussing it. There are some "my SoC can beat up your SoC" discussion with folks claiming superiority for both Exynos and S-800 but for the most part the consensus it they are pretty similar performance wise.
One should also note that almost any lag can be eliminated if you tune your kernel governor to your specific usage pattern. You need root of course, which is an issue until there is a root exploit that won't trip Knox. There's no way I would root such an expensive device unless I can preserve the warranty.
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fast charge or extra 32gb?
i am choosing between 2 models: p905 with fast charge option and p900 with 32gb more than previous one. i would like to hear the opinion of experienced users cuz never had any tablet before hence don't know what option is more significant in routine usage. in addition, i am definitely sure that never gonna use LTE function therefore in is not an advantage for me.
thus, the question is what to prefer: fast charge (is it really much faster?) or extra 32gb of memory (does it really matter for tablet?)
also the rumors tell that probably p905 with 64gb is coming soon (although, how soon and whether it will come at all...)
I have the p905 since it came out. Running smoothly. The only lag I experienced is when I played Sonic Dash. Don't know if it is a software issue with this app. Other games I tried (not that many yet) have no lag.
I bought the unlocked international 905 mainly for the faster charging and the ability to switch gsm carriers at will. 4K video, snapdragon 800 + adreno 330, no carrier bloatware, are icing on the cake imo. As far performance, this article claims a significant difference speed wise, in favor of the snap 800 adreno 330 combo. I haven't compared the two side by side. Of course ymmv.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review...ote-Pro-12-2-LTE-SM-P905-Tablet.113712.0.html
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Well,
the other thread is having discussion mainly about the Snapdragon 800 version, but since we Europeans can't have it, it is better to have the discussion about the Exynos models here.
Do you think Heterogeneous Multi-Processing Capability will be implemented in the Note 10.1 2014?
http://youtu.be/fLrSTJECVaU
http://youtu.be/8LNPxExkLMo
http://youtu.be/1t-6jqhELVk
The wifi only model will be exynos based. I live in the US and only want the exynos version.
Why do you think that we (Europeans) won't get the Snapdragon 800 version?
In Europe
WiFi = Exynos
LTE = Snapdragon 800
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In Europe
WiFi = Exynos
LTE = Snapdragon 800
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Isn't that true everywhere?
Speaking of the Exynos version. How does the community support for those devices stack up against their snapdragon
siblings (thinking of s4 and so on)?
Aletheia said:
Isn't that true everywhere?
Speaking of the Exynos version. How does the community support for those devices stack up against their snapdragon
siblings (thinking of s4 and so on)?
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from what i have read and heard, the snapdragon siblings seem to have much more dev support than the exynos ones - that being said, with the new note 10.1, we might be able to expect some pretty damn good dev support so long as the rumors/claims about HMP being fixed are true. i think the biggest downfall of the previous octa chips is that they either use all 4 A15 chips or all 4 A7 chips, not a combination of them or anything else - the cache translation function is broken (i think thats what it is called... i may be wrong on the name).
but i think if they have fixed it, and if the new note actually offers HMP, then there should be some good dev support i would suspect - not everyone wants to pay for an extra contract for their device when they can just tether or hotspot to their phone, which they always have on them anyways.
On that *note* (pun intended) does anyone know if, on this new device, the 3g and lte models will have phone and sms functionality via headset of some sort? i can't imagine why would would purposely disable this feature, as the device has the proper radios etc for it. and if it is somehow disabled, does anyone know if that is something that can be brought over to the device with a new rom/kernel or other mod?
just my 3 cents, yea that's right, 3 cents....
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On that *note* (pun intended) does anyone know if, on this new device, the 3g and lte models will have phone and sms functionality via headset of some sort? i can't imagine why would would purposely disable this feature, as the device has the proper radios etc for it. and if it is somehow disabled, does anyone know if that is something that can be brought over to the device with a new rom/kernel or other mod?
just my 3 cents, yea that's right, 3 cents....
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Make a "note" to look into a program called Tablet Talk.
You can make any tablet into a sms/mms and phone... so worth the price.
Itchiee said:
Make a "note" to look into a program called Tablet Talk.
You can make any tablet into a sms/mms and phone... so worth the price.
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Have definitely used and like tablet SMS on my new nexus but I just find it a hassle as the tablet always needs to be tethered anyways so I need my phone with me regardless. The idea behind having full talk and text on the tablet is so I don't absolutely need both devices with me all the time... I guess with a tablet that has 3g or late then you don't really need the phone with you anymore, and I can see an upside of this setup.... You can use just one phone number and have it accessible on two devices...just kind of seems ****ty to basically be forced into having two separate phone bills each month though if the option could have very easily been there to have the talk and text directly active and working on the tablet. I wonder if there is some sort of mod or hack that could be used to gain this functionality considering that on a 3g or late device the rradios are all there to support this.....
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On that *note* (pun intended) does anyone know if, on this new device, the 3g and lte models will have phone and sms functionality via headset of some sort? i can't imagine why would would purposely disable this feature, as the device has the proper radios etc for it. and if it is somehow disabled, does anyone know if that is something that can be brought over to the device with a new rom/kernel or other mod?
just my 3 cents, yea that's right, 3 cents....
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In all review that i saw, all tablet can phone and send sms/mms.
There are the apps for this.
So, i will buy the 4G version because i want the Snap800, and because it will have a lot of support then Exynos base...
Guich said:
In all review that i saw, all tablet can phone and send sms/mms.
There are the apps for this.
So, i will buy the 4G version because i want the Snap800, and because it will have a lot of support then Exynos base...
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what is exepcted price difference between Wifi only and 4g
what is the support that makes u willing to spend that difference ! is it from Samsung it self, or free developers !
will it be in just Applications ! or the Android system updates running !
this is going to be my first device,and i am already highly considering the 3G version as i dont have smartphone, and hope i can use the note (beside its main functions) as a smart phone + to connect to net when no wifi around or on the road , with headset .. but i will wait till after release to see reviews about that .
if the 3g not making call as a phone, i will get wifi, and for internet connection i will use usb flash modem (by OTG adaptor)
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what is exepcted price difference between Wifi only and 4g
i dont have smartphone, and hope i can use the note (beside its main functions) as a smart phone + to connect to net when no wifi around or on the road , with headset .. but i will wait till after release to see reviews about that .
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The price difference between the wifi only and 4g models can be $100-$200 for 16GB models, and sometimes you can't even find the higher capacity models in 4g or wifi. It can be a hassle trying to find the model you want. Data plans for cell based tablets can be ridiculously high for 4g models so have a carrier in mind if you want to go the 4g route. Keep in mind Im using 4g here as a generic term for cell based tablet (4g/3g/lte). Im sticking with getting a wifi based note 10.1 this time around because I hope to use it for content creation and media playback.
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So, is this good news as far as dev support for the Exynos versions is concerned?
sammobile.com/2013/09/20/samsung-releases-kernel-source-for-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition
In john lewis web its only left the white wifi version. I hope that its because they are receiving next week the new one
'Note' that the tablet with not ship with HMP/GTS out-of-box.
They were recently finalized. They will ship with cluster migration/core migration logic initially. Later there will be some kernel/patch upgrade to have HMP enabled.
CLARiiON said:
'Note' that the tablet with not ship with HMP/GTS out-of-box.
They were recently finalized. They will ship with cluster migration/core migration logic initially. Later there will be some kernel/patch upgrade to have HMP enabled.
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i was reading that in the octa-core you could only have 4 cores being used at a time; and that the lower ghz quad cores were to save power.
but if android's cpu governor will fluctuate the cpu speed up and down based on the workload, what's the diff?
doesn't that make the other 4 cores useless?
so in effect a 2.3Ghz quad-core vs a 2.4Ghz quad+1.7Ghz quad would have the same performance??
now if you can use more than 4 cores at a time that's a different story.
am i way off base here?
-Tony
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am i way off base here?
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A bit. The architecture of each 4-core chip is very different; designed for different tasks. The weaker core is A7 while the more powerful core is A15. Your comparison is kind of like cylinder deactivation in a car's engine. In a V8, all eight cylinders are identical and they are shut off in pairs to save fuel and match performance to load. Think of Octa as a discreet 4 cylinder engine (A7) alongside a V8 engine (A15). Each, to your point, can be controlled so any or all of their cores can be active at a given time. The 4 cylinder's barely able to reach the low point of the V8's performance curve. Similarly, the V8 can't reach the 4 cylinders lower efficiency range. 85% of apps don't leave the A7 core so that's why it's more efficient than just shutting off some of the A15's cores; especially true at idle. It's actually a pretty neat approach to performance vs. efficiency.
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A bit. The architecture of each 4-core chip is very different; designed for different tasks. The weaker core is A7 while the more powerful core is A15. Your comparison is kind of like cylinder deactivation in a car's engine. In a V8, all eight cylinders are identical and they are shut off in pairs to save fuel and match performance to load. Think of Octa as a discreet 4 cylinder engine (A7) alongside a V8 engine (A15). Each, to your point, can be controlled so any or all of their cores can be active at a given time. The 4 cylinder's barely able to reach the low point of the V8's performance curve. Similarly, the V8 can't reach the 4 cylinders lower efficiency range. 85% of apps don't leave the A7 core so that's why it's more efficient than just shutting off some of the A15's cores; especially true at idle. It's actually a pretty neat approach to performance vs. efficiency.
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FWIW the 2.4 vs 2.3 was a typo. Should be the same number there.
I understand where you're coming from, thanks for that. I just never heard it explained that a A7 at Clock X was different power usage wise than a A15 at Clock X.
If it is, so be it, that answers that. Would be interesting to see real world benchmarks behind it.
-Tony
Hey guys finally the day has come when i will upgrade to a new smartphone and luckily as i am not short on budget i have decided to buy Galaxy Note 3 which i think is the best Android smartphone nowadays......the problem is that in my country both versions are available and i am not sure which version is better so thought what place would be better than XDA to ask this question......i hope you guys will help me in taking the right decision.
Btw N9000($605) is about 30 usd cheaper than N9005($635) which though doesn't matter but i thought i should share this as well with you guys.
(Both are 32 gb variants)
Regards..!!!
Just watch the N9005, trick little prick if the service provider you're using is on bands 7/17, however the 9005 is a little better hardware wise! I personally don't think you'll noticed the difference!
Go 9005.
Firstly, Exynos only excels more in graphics department and its barely any better then what Snapdragon offers. Also the SD model is more widely available & the carrier choice due to FDD-LTE, Which means better longterm rom support between the two models.
N900 has 2.66 GB of total RAM
N9005 has 2.38 GB of total RAM
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N900 has 2.66 GB of total RAM
N9005 has 2.38 GB of total RAM
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Why does the N9005 has less free RAM?
SK_007 said:
Why does the N9005 has less free RAM?
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Honestly I dont know. I just notice the difference between 2 models.
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N900 has 2.66 GB of total RAM
N9005 has 2.38 GB of total RAM
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Honestly I dont know. I just notice the difference between 2 models.
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I see but thanks anyway i wasn't aware of this!
But can the N900 read base that At&t run for their LTE?
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But can the N900 read base that At&t run for their LTE?
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n900 exynos doesn't support 4g LTE, hardware issue.
dont worry about the ram difference....they both have 3GB...its how each of the 2 versions reserves certain amounts for the gpu & other systems processes....(not sure of the EXACT things that do this....but i read it here in xda while deciding on the note 3 version myself).... but in my opinion i would suggest you go for the n9005....its a little better in terms of performance...as far as battery is concerned the snapdragon is better as my cousin owns a octa version & mine does considerably better....it has LTE & it has 4k video recording & playback support...something the octa version doesnt....so that means the n9005 is a bit more futureproof than the 9000 PLUS the n9005 has a more active developer support....
N900 is Exynos Variant which means the processor is developed by Samsung. The N9005 is Snapdragon Variant which means the processor is developed by Qualcomm. Overall I would prefer the Snapdragon 800 Variant as performance is much more excellent than Samsung's own Exynos.
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dont worry about the ram difference....they both have 3GB...its how each of the 2 versions reserves certain amounts for the gpu & other systems processes....(not sure of the EXACT things that do this....but i read it here in xda while deciding on the note 3 version myself).... but in my opinion i would suggest you go for the n9005....its a little better in terms of performance...as far as battery is concerned the snapdragon is better as my cousin owns a octa version & mine does considerably better....it has LTE & it has 4k video recording & playback support...something the octa version doesnt....so that means the n9005 is a bit more futureproof than the 9000 PLUS the n9005 has a more active developer support....
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The last line can be a deal breaker in favor of N9005 as it would be very difficult for me to go for the variant which has considerably less developer support.......so as of now i am leaning towards N9005!
Btw i read somewhere that Samsung might release a patch which will enable all the 8 cores on N9000......is this true can anyone please confirm this?
Most Exynos users including me are suffering from poor battery life. N9005 users seem to enjoy 9 hours of screen on time, while me and some other N900 users get 4-5 hours maximum. So I'd say go with N9005.
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Most Exynos users including me are suffering from poor battery life. N9005 users seem to enjoy 9 hours of screen on time, while me and some other N900 users get 4-5 hours maximum. So I'd say go with N9005.
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And i thought that due to those 4 power saving A7 cores N9000 will have the better battery life lol...........thanks mate for telling me about battery life coz this is one of the primary things which i look for when choosing a smartphone..!!!
On my personal usage I had both snapdragon and exynos and eventually end up with keeping exynos for myself and gave snapdragon to my sis as exynos felt a bit snappier overall to me but in few games snapdragon had a slight advantage but the exynos was no less in some games exynos was better, and yes battery sucks with latest firmware update was excellent before so you can expect battery to be fixed with updates and if you have LTE in your country go with snapdragon, exynos makes no sense if you got LTE in your region and better development also goes to snapdragon, also today Samsung might announce something about their exynos processor @Ces and my guess is they will release the hmp which enables all 8 cores, though nothing sure keep an eye, so decide what you need, but in terms of performance pick either of them you wouldn't regret
sorry but the HMP patch to run all 8cores have been scraped a while back...so performance wise snapdragon is better...plus i have 2 exynos variants of samsung products at home...an s4 octa & a note 3 octa....dont know the reason why...but they started to bog down after a few weeks of usage....there arent many apps installed on either device, both rooted by me & debloated & running almost the same setup as my n9005...but mine is still as snappy as it was the day i got it :/ ....the current 5410 & 20 were experiments if you ask me.... i'd say the n9005 is the nobrainer choice when buying note 3
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I'm surprised No one's mentioned how hot the snapdragon version gets under stress! I've never had a handheld device get so hot! No exaggeration, I sometimes worry if I should stop what im doing to allow the phone to cool. My friends exynos note 2 doesnt even get warm. I can attest to the battery life, atm I get 10hrs screen on time which includes reading rss feeds, music and light to medium web browsing. I was always under the impression the exynos version was better on battery, but some users seem to suggest otherwise. I bought the n9005 instead of n9000 because: 1. It was cheaper in my region.
2. To use LTE.
I dont regret buying the snapdragon version, but the performance difference between the two is negligible and the heat
issue really bothers me, so i must vote for the exynos, providing that the battery life isnt noticeably worse.
oh one more thing.. 3g+ is still quite fast and 4g lte is a battery hog, though the speeds are impressive.
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sorry but the HMP patch to run all 8cores have been scraped a while back...so performance wise snapdragon is better...plus i have 2 exynos variants of samsung products at home...an s4 octa & a note 3 octa....dont know the reason why...but they started to bog down after a few weeks of usage....there arent many apps installed on either device, both rooted by me & debloated & running almost the same setup as my n9005...but mine is still as snappy as it was the day i got it :/ ....the current 5410 & 20 were experiments if you ask me.... i'd say the n9005 is the nobrainer choice when buying note 3
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Go and have a [email protected] on Twitter, and you'll find something as #UnlockExynos which as assumed can be related to HMP, also if there's no HMP I wouldn't really care, I find the 5420 still great, and yeah galaxy s4 5410 that was a serious fail, I threw it out in 2 days of usage coz that 5410 processor was such a bullshi* but that isn't the case with 5420 but still it's own preference and way to think which is good or bad.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_and_note_3_wont_get_true_octacore_update-news-6908.php there mate....that unlockexynos thing that you speak of is probably the processor teaser for S5 which could be 64bit processor.....& S4 octa processor is the absolute pits.....the note 3's octa is a slight improvement...but i would still say the snapdragon is a better overall package....& thus a slightly better choice
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I'm surprised No one's mentioned how hot the snapdragon version gets under stress! I've never had a handheld device get so hot! No exaggeration, I sometimes worry if I should stop what im doing to allow the phone to cool. My friends exynos note 2 doesnt even get warm. I can attest to the battery life, atm I get 10hrs screen on time which includes reading rss feeds, music and light to medium web browsing. I was always under the impression the exynos version was better on battery, but some users seem to suggest otherwise. I bought the n9005 instead of n9000 because: 1. It was cheaper in my region.
2. To use LTE.
I dont regret buying the snapdragon version, but the performance difference between the two is negligible and the heat
issue really bothers me, so i must vote for the exynos, providing that the battery life isnt noticeably worse.
oh one more thing.. 3g+ is still quite fast and 4g lte is a battery hog, though the speeds are impressive.
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sorry mate...but you may have gotten a faulty unit...as my snapdragon barely ever gets hot.....i played real racing 3, gt racing 2 & asphalt 8 nonstop with 100% battery until i drained it to 0% & the phone barely got warm....& as for battery life.....the snapdragon is quite a bit ahead of the exynos...i have 1 in the house so i can tell....also the performance difference may be negligible but its still visible...atleast to me
Which one should I buy if I'm after longer battery life / performance / XDA support?
I'm not a gamer.
Thanks in advance
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Doesn't really matter. The N910F apparently gives better battery life, but some try dispute that. If LTE Cat.6 is implemented in your country then get the N910F as it supports LTE Cat.6. With latest Android 5.1.1 now out for the USA Snapdragons and Exynos Polish, apparently both no longer have Recent Apps lag and they perform much better than before.
Either way youre getting a beastly device.
go for 910c and dont even think about it unless you are cm user.
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go for 910c and dont even think about it unless you are cm user.
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and why is that? it's simple, both run and will run 32bit, and if you want more processing power, then the C if you want graphics power, then the F.. simple as that, nothing more nothing less..
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and why is that? it's simple, both run and will run 32bit, and if you want more processing power, then the C if you want graphics power, then the F.. simple as that, nothing more nothing less..
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910f barelys has any more graphics power. not a single game runs better on s805 version(atleast the ones i tried) benchmarks almost same aswell. but on the other hand cpu difference is big. when you use them side by side speed difference is very noticable.
and whatever they are on 32 or 64 bit doesnt mean anything.
I got a N910C, because I never did like Quadcomm SOCs. They tend to run a little hotter than other SOCs. I barely felt any heat of my N910C even when playing Asphalt 8 or Street Fighter IV HD. The only time I felt any heat from my N910C was when it had developed a hardware fault and I had to send it back to the retailer for repairs. Which I'm still waiting for them to finish the repairs.
Other than that I had a great experience with my N910C.
The N910F doesn't run hot, the Snapdragon 805 CPU has to be the coolest of the Qualcomm chips. The only time the phone got hot for me is when upgrading to Lollipop, it got very hot while optimising apps, then calmed down after the update was all done.
As for performance, on 5.1.1 both the C and USA Snapdragons that are basically US N910Fs are running with no Recent Apps lag, so one can't really say there is much of a difference, both run much better than they did on 5.0.1.
Get the variant that has warranty in your country, and if both do, then get the one that best suits your network e.g. if the network supports the newer and faster LTE Cat.6 then get the F, also for slightly better battery life get the F, as well as if you plan on getting the GearVR by Oculus, get the F.
If you want the Exynos CPU and Wolfson DAC, get the C.
I've just sold my 910f and bought the 910c. Two reasons first I just prefer exynos maybe because my last device was exynos. Second the snapdragon does run fairly hot and tended to overheat when using gear vr
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Dont do that mistake and buy note 4 it's crap
Exynos 5433 is around ~30% faster at the CPU department, while it has a weaker GPU.
Honestly, it doesn't make much of a difference. But if you can choose, the 910C has better performance.
Weaker GPU matter less than weaker CPU because both are going to run any game exceptionally regardless.
Edit: Exynos 5433 is apparently ~50% ahead of the SD805 at geekbench, difference is bigger than I thought.
Go for C and don't look back.
910C.
I've just got the C & I have noticed it runs smoother than my F & also when I play music via Bluetooth it don't get ant skips, blips etc like i did with the F.
I dunno if it's the 5.1.1 update that has fixed that or its a Snapdragon fault.
So far I'm really happy with the C & just looking at the F & wonder if I should sell it.
The 5.1.1 update seems to have done wonders for both N910F and N910C.
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Get the C
Hehehe again a 910C/910F thread, let's see how quickly this one gets closed due to members fighting (cause that's where thread like these are always bound to end up in).
Anyway my personal opinion: if you want to stay stock, then go for the 910C. If you want AOSP then 910F. Yes, CM is currently also available for 910C but they're about 8-12 months behind. Realistically the Note 6 will be out before a 'perfect' stable version will be available for the 910C. These things just take a lot of time to develop.
Quick pro's and cons of stock vs AOSP:
Pro stock:
* Everything just works.
Pro AOSP:
* Quick updates, no need to wait till august 2016 for Android M, you will have it 2 weeks after google releases it
* Blazing fast GUI, everything just works so much smoother.
* Additional features and control over your phone.
Con AOSP:
* Not everything works as of yet, I think currently still missing (although will be worked upon) are AudioFX, MMS, Compass in google maps. And then there's of course the fingerprint scanner but that should be coming with Android M. And then if you flash nightlies every time, you will run into some problems every now and then of course.
Previously camera quality was also a factor but that's solved now, photo quality is now equal.
All in all a personal choice, but I think this is what it boils down to.
I will buy a galaxy s7 edge next week, but for now in stores only the exynos version is available in my country. Is it a good soc? Or should I wait more for the snapdragon phone?
On my note 3 the exynos chip was considered pretty bad, on both performance and battery life.
Exynos = Better CPU, Battery drain mostly from radio cell.
Snapdragon = Better GPU. Battery drain mostly from Android system (not sure is it fix able by update. )
If you're that person that love installing AOSP ROM. Snapdragon is your choice.
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Exynos = Better CPU, Battery drain mostly from radio cell.
Snapdragon = Better GPU. Battery drain mostly from Android system (not sure is it fix able by update. )
If you're that person that love installing AOSP ROM. Snapdragon is your choice.
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I will definetly root, most likely on day one, but I doubt I will be using AOSP roms.
Gaming on a phone isn't for me as well, I have my iPad or ps4 for that.
So the exynos runs better for day to day tasks?
For day to day tasks, there's no difference
For me I would prefer SD, cuz the ROM, kernel and mod development is much much better and I'm a flashaholic but in Europe only the exynos is available. And I'm scared there won't be so much to flash\development...
Am I right? How was the ROMs, kernels ect. on s6 edge exynos? Will devs come support us?
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I will definetly root, most likely on day one, but I doubt I will be using AOSP roms.
Gaming on a phone isn't for me as well, I have my iPad or ps4 for that.
So the exynos runs better for day to day tasks?
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According to tests i've seen, yes.
Thanks for the replies, I'm going with the exynos then and I will preorder it as well, so I can get that vr.
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According to tests i've seen, yes.
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These tests being?
If your in Europe then it's not worth the hassle to get the snapdragon version IMO. That being said, the snapdragon has the better GPU, modem, higher single threaded performance, and more than likely a better ISP, DSP, etc and other blocks of the SOC. The exynos will have better multithreaded performance, just due to the fact that it has 8 cores vs the snapdragons 4, even though per core the snapdragons are faster. Like others have said developement will be noticeably less on the exynos. You will still get custom Roms but I wouldn't expect cm or aosp within a year, or ever. In dqy to day performance I would expect the snapdragons 4 very fast cores to be more responsive than the 4 slow cores and 4 fast cores of the exynos, especially considering most of the normal ui is processed on the slow cores and has to migrate to the fast cores when it needs it.
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If your in Europe then it's not worth the hassle to get the snapdragon version IMO. That being said, the snapdragon has the better GPU, modem, higher single threaded performance, and more than likely a better ISP, DSP, etc and other blocks of the SOC. The exynos will have better multithreaded performance, just due to the fact that it has 8 cores vs the snapdragons 4, even though per core the snapdragons are faster. Like others have said developement will be noticeably less on the exynos. You will still get custom Roms but I wouldn't expect cm or aosp within a year, or ever. In dqy to day performance I would expect the snapdragons 4 very fast cores to be more responsive than the 4 slow cores and 4 fast cores of the exynos, especially considering most of the normal ui is processed on the slow cores and has to migrate to the fast cores when it needs it.
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What is your basis for these arguments? Seems like most people in this thread are just making stuff up without quoting any real-world tests. Even Anandtech stated that the SoCs are pretty much equal (as far as they currently know, and they have already written pretty extensively about both SoCs), and that efficiency is what is going to set them apart. I wouldn't draw any conclusions without actually reading a comprehensive comparison of the two.
I just pulled the trigger on an Exynos version, despite living in the U.S.
Reasons you might consider the Exynos over the SD820:
1) LTE Bands, the Exynos version has far more LTE Bands for use around the world. If you travel around a bit, then it makes a bit of sense to have a phone that can receive data, regardless of the network you're on.
2) Battery drain: it looks like both SoC's are plagued with one thing or another that saps battery life, but the SD820 has an alarming amount of drain from the Android system. It still has great SoT (screen on time), but it's still a worry nonetheless.
3) Carrier lock: If you find yourself on one network, then this shouldn't be an issue. But within the past 2 years, I have been on a AT&T, then a business T-Mobile line, then Google Fi, and now on an AT&T business line. If the phone locks to a carrier, then you might have to wait longer or pay to get it unlocked.. which can be a drag.
That being said, I'm sure the development for the SD820 version will be immense. However, I'm coming from a Nexus 6P, and feel like the stock S7E ROM performs so well, that I won't need to root or anything. Android has reached a level of smoothness that was not found on earlier versions, especially in tandem with TouchWiz of old (older Notes and S phones were laggy, really). So stock ROM with the ability to use Android Pay/Samsung Pay will be nice.
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I just pre ordered the UK S7 Edge, hoping it'll be Exynos.
In the benchmark thread people are getting virtually identical Antutu scores across chips. It looks like the Snapdragon is throttling earlier than the Exynos though, they always have ran hotter.
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In singel core performance, the SD is a few % better. But in multi core, the exynos is about 20% ahead. So it does seem to run better with the CPU. Also it seems to run cooler, so throttling should be better.
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In singel core performance, the SD is a few % better. But in multi core, the exynos is about 20% ahead. So it does seem to run better with the CPU. Also it seems to run cooler, so throttling should be better.
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We need someone to run consecutive 3dmark runs on the exynos in order to know whether the gpu throttles or not, and if so after how many runs. We already know neither will throttle the cpu in geekbench, but the SD820 throttles the gpu a bit after two 3dmark runs.
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We need someone to run consecutive 3dmark runs on the exynos in order to know whether the gpu throttles or not, and if so after how many runs. We already know neither will throttle the cpu in geekbench, but the SD820 throttles the gpu a bit after two 3dmark runs.
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Yes we should await further testing. Since the SD is released in America for some already, the benchmarks for exynos are hard to find.
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What is your basis for these arguments? Seems like most people in this thread are just making stuff up without quoting any real-world tests. Even Anandtech stated that the SoCs are pretty much equal (as far as they currently know, and they have already written pretty extensively about both SoCs), and that efficiency is what is going to set them apart. I wouldn't draw any conclusions without actually reading a comprehensive comparison of the two.
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I'm pulling this from past experience with exynos 7420 kernel development, and every article ive read on the 820 and the exynos 8890, in addition to benchmarks on both and my own device. Qualcomm leads the world in modem technology. The one in the 820 supposedly has achieved parity with wifi. In addition we have the hexagon DSP and spectra ISP all of which can operate in a sort of HMP configuration to accelerate tasks. I would find it hard to believe that Samsung has caught up to qcom in these misc blocks of the SOC. But that's why I said most likely for that portion as I'm just making an educated guess. Single threaded performance is quantifiably higher on the snapdragon, all the benchmarks shows this, just as they show that the 8 core exynos scores higher in multithreaded scenarios. The rest about development etc is because Samsung doesn't release the proprietary hardware blobs we need to get a proper aosp/cm port working. Meaning we have to write them from scratch which takes forever. Qcom has always provided these in the past. The GPU also performs better in benchmarks, whether there's a noticeable difference in real life remains to be seen, still from all evidence the snapdragon beats out the exynos GPU. And my experience with the 7420 taught me that the small cores can have trouble keeping the ui smooth at all times, and we see the same cluster again on the exynos, only on a slightly improved node. Hopefully this explains the logic behind my post better.
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I'm pulling this from past experience with exynos 7420 kernel development, and every article ive read on the 820 and the exynos 8890, in addition to benchmarks on both and my own device. Qualcomm leads the world in modem technology. The one in the 820 supposedly has achieved parity with wifi. In addition we have the hexagon DSP and spectra ISP all of which can operate in a sort of HMP configuration to accelerate tasks. I would find it hard to believe that Samsung has caught up to qcom in these misc blocks of the SOC. But that's why I said most likely for that portion as I'm just making an educated guess. Single threaded performance is quantifiably higher on the snapdragon, all the benchmarks shows this, just as they show that the 8 core exynos scores higher in multithreaded scenarios. The rest about development etc is because Samsung doesn't release the proprietary hardware blobs we need to get a proper aosp/cm port working. Meaning we have to write them from scratch which takes forever. Qcom has always provided these in the past. The GPU also performs better in benchmarks, whether there's a noticeable difference in real life remains to be seen, still from all evidence the snapdragon beats out the exynos GPU. And my experience with the 7420 taught me that the small cores can have trouble keeping the ui smooth at all times, and we see the same cluster again on the exynos, only on a slightly improved node. Hopefully this explains the logic behind my post better.
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Could very well be that the sd820 endas up faster than the exynos 8890 in day to day tasks, but the sd820 seems to be using a lot of mW in comparison to other SoCs(check anandtech's look at the mi-5). Its single thread performance is better, but on average there's only a 10% difference and the exynos is clocked lower than reference (2.7ghz and 2.4ghz). Both modems achieve the same speeds so the only thing that is going to matter in the end is efficiency. Still need to take a look at the GPU throttling on the 8890, as we only know the sd820 GPU throttles at this point in time. Personally I would have preferred the sd820, but if the 8899 brings better battery and better audio quality the difference in performance is worth it. Looking forward to anandtech's in-depth comparison! Don't really get why we haven't seen any reviews yet even though people have the phones already.
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Could very well be that the sd820 endas up faster than the exynos 8890 in day to day tasks, but the sd820 seems to be using a lot of mW in comparison to other SoCs(check anandtech's look at the mi-5). Its single thread performance is better, but on average there's only a 10% difference and the exynos is clocked lower than reference (2.7ghz and 2.4ghz). Both modems achieve the same speeds so the only thing that is going to matter in the end is efficiency. Still need to take a look at the GPU throttling on the 8890, as we only know the sd820 GPU throttles at this point in time. Personally I would have preferred the sd820, but if the 8899 brings better battery and better audio quality the difference in performance is worth it. Looking forward to anandtech's in-depth comparison! Don't really get why we haven't seen any reviews yet even though people have the phones already.
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Also awaiting the deep dive on both. Keep in mind though, that 2 of the 820s cores are clocked at 1.6 and have less l2cache to save power, and 2 of them are at 2.2ghz, so clock for clock they have very high performance. As for the power draw comparison, it was only an estimate to begin with, and ones got 4 little and 4 small and if it was only using the 4 small during the test that alone would be a noticeable power draw difference. It gets pretty complex with these big.little setups. I've also noticed the snapdragon version has a pretty high load average which should be able to get lowered with some modifications to the kernel.
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I just pulled the trigger on an Exynos version, despite living in the U.S.
Reasons you might consider the Exynos over the SD820:
1) LTE Bands, the Exynos version has far more LTE Bands for use around the world. If you travel around a bit, then it makes a bit of sense to have a phone that can receive data, regardless of the network you're on.
2) Battery drain: it looks like both SoC's are plagued with one thing or another that saps battery life, but the SD820 has an alarming amount of drain from the Android system. It still has great SoT (screen on time), but it's still a worry nonetheless.
3) Carrier lock: If you find yourself on one network, then this shouldn't be an issue. But within the past 2 years, I have been on a AT&T, then a business T-Mobile line, then Google Fi, and now on an AT&T business line. If the phone locks to a carrier, then you might have to wait longer or pay to get it unlocked.. which can be a drag.
That being said, I'm sure the development for the SD820 version will be immense. However, I'm coming from a Nexus 6P, and feel like the stock S7E ROM performs so well, that I won't need to root or anything. Android has reached a level of smoothness that was not found on earlier versions, especially in tandem with TouchWiz of old (older Notes and S phones were laggy, really). So stock ROM with the ability to use Android Pay/Samsung Pay will be nice.
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Yup my SD820 is running full on SPay, Bluetooth, WIFI, NFC, Always On Display all without power saving mode and I get 8h SOT in 24h. Listening to a few posts of people beginning to learn the phones quirks within the first few days is not evidence of anything other than the phone being broken in. Spreading information like this gets people buying devices for unsubstantiated reasons. Please provide evidence if you're going to post stuff like this. You guys are just starting an echo chamber quoting each other with no evidence supporting your rumors.
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Yup my SD820 is running full on SPay, Bluetooth, WIFI, NFC, Always On Display all without power saving mode and I get 8h SOT in 24h. Listening to a few posts of people beginning to learn the phones quirks within the first few days is not evidence of anything other than the phone being broken in. Spreading information like this gets people buying devices for unsubstantiated reasons. Please provide evidence if you're going to post stuff like this. You guys are just starting an echo chamber quoting each other with no evidence supporting your rumors.
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I never believe people when they say they get 8 hours of screen on time.
And if you read my post carefully, you'll see the fact that I stated the SD820 still has great SoT, but just that there are issues with the Android system draining an alarming amount of battery percentage. This is not some baseless claim, there are multiple posts in the battery life thread showing the android system taking up 35%< of the battery.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3321547
In case you were wondering which thread.
Again, it's just a strange thing that can maybe be fixed by a software update.
And while we're at it, how about you show screenshots of your supposed 8 hours of SoT?
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The difference isn't as big this year compared to years past, they are both similar in performance. That said, I'm leaning towards the Exynos just because of how much of a pain in the butt it was with rooting the Snapdragon model. Exynos was easy to root but the Snapdragon only got root because of a leak and it was unstable and laggy.
You are asking which one is better for a phone that isn't out for another 2.5 weeks?? And you can't say they are similar in performance based purely on a spec sheet! The spec sheet shows the exynos able to do 120fps at 4k, but it can't because the camera itself cannot perform at that speed so its still limited to 30 despite the exynos chip being capable of it.
Both SoCs and GPUs are too new to make any assumptions. Here's an article discussing S-835 on a Qualcomm reference device. It underperforms S-820/1 in certain benchmarks. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11201/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-performance-preview. Architecturally the new Mali GPU is superior to Adreno. What features Samsung implements and how they implement them is a wild card. When Samsung uses two SoCs in the same phone they typically tune them to be comparable as was the case in the S7-series even though Exynos did seem to have an edge. To an average user they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between an Exynos and S-835 equipped S8.
I've said this a couple of times in other threads. Exynos 8895 has new chip-based h/w security never before seen in an Exynos chip. Until its in people's hands it's dangerous to assume previous bootloader exploits will work the same way they did previously.
One difference that the Exynos seems to have but not sure how many people will notice. On the Samsung website and a couple other carrier sites state that the device the UK is getting only has Bluetooth 4 and not the newer Bluetooth 5 that the US and snapdragon market are getting. Wonder what other differences there are that aren't being advertised.
International versions getting a different version of BT doesn't make a lot of sense. They hyped being able to support two headphones connected at the same time during the unveiling which requires BT 5.0. I don't think they would have done that if the majority of the world wasn't receiving the feature. Carrier websites aren't particularly accurate.
You may have missed that part where I said it's shown on the Samsung website too. In the U.K it's showing as BT 4.2 LE. It's possible that the new BT 5.0 isn't compatible with the Exynos chip for some reason or just not optomised to work well together yet. Also that launch was predominantly geared towards the US market as almost no information regarding the international versions was spoken about on stage.
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I am pretty certain thats a mistake, there are mistakes over the web on the phone specifications. The global S8 specifications say Bluetooth 5.0
"Exynos 8895 has new chip-based h/w security never before seen in an Exynos chip."
What EXACTLY does that mean. Because whenever I read or hear term, "security" it raises eyebrows. This is umbrella terminology for those in a state of fear requiring reassurance, but to those who don't carry around such weighted down impedances it would be interesting to know exactly what is implied here.
Yeah the specs are all over the place at the moment. I'm putting a tiny bit more weight behind what is on the official Samsung UK website that my pre-order leads me to which is saying it has BT 4.2. But one UK carrier (EE) is claiming it has Snapdragon 835, and another carrier (Three) is claiming BT 4.0 so nobody seems to be on the same page in the UK. Anyway I'll know for certain next week as my pre-order is arriving 20 April.
"The Samsung Galaxy S8 is the first of its kind in the United States, and it is the first of its kind in the world Up to 24 bands worldwide. Samsung offers with the new S-Class for the first time in a smartphone Bluetooth 5.0, which is integrated both in the version with Snapdragon 835, as well as with Exynos 8895-SOC."
https://www.notebookcheck.com/Samsung-Galaxy-S8-im-Hands-On-Potente-Hardware-smarte-Software.209358.0.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR4AzmvQEeU&lc=z120ijfw5zaytfvt123hgxdxbqnwhfcri04.1491848744959473
The Exynos is roughly 10% faster in single core and multi-core than the snapdragon (Geekbench, above video). You would hardly see a difference in most day to day use as both are pretty fast.
But the Exynos 'Mid Power Saver' which downclocks the CPU gives you the same performance as the the 835, so the exynos would obviously be better as you can have the same performance with more battery life (assuming it does save power)
My Exynos Edge 7 plus did not suffer any slow down over time while Snapdragon version crawled to a stop
I've had my Snapdragon S7 Edge since they were first released. My phone is still working great. It has nowhere crawled to a stop. Maybe for some reason some of the Snapdragon S7's slowed down but mine certainly hasn't. As a matter of fact the only reason I'm getting a S8 is because my S7 Edge has an over sensitive screen. If that wasn't an issue I would keep it for at least another year. There is no way I would do that if it slowed to a crawl.
Exynos Should always be in theory. It's in house processor and Samsung can do what they want and how they want with the software. So it should always be better optimized as you know exactly every aspect of the hardware.