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Is it just me or is the placement of the speakers odd - If they wanted to provide an experience for watching movies, then with the current placement you will only get sound out of the right side. I really liked the placement of the speakers on the Archos 7 HT - too bad the rest of it was so bad.
I suppose the placement might be for the HDMI dock which orientates the Tab portrait, but if you were using that, then I guess you would be using an external sound source. It is not a big deal - just a oddity of the design.
It is indeed odd, as righthanded I cover the speaker with my hand while playing games in landscape.
Yes. Weird placement.
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I hate it. It's supremely irritating in every respect... Shame that we can't do much to change it
What I find stranger is the microphone location. About an inch from the top left side. Its where my thumb/fingers are when I hold it with one hand, as I do when I get a call.
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I replaced the loud speaker on my evo with an oem i ordered online. It was a very easy fix and everything is good now. As I was putting in the new speaker I started to think of how good my TP2 sounded when I used the loud speaker. It just had a nice crisp sound that I havent been able to get out of my Evo. I searched and found a TP2 replacement and from what I can see, it looks just like it! I am about to order one to try it just wanted to get some feedback on this before i waste money. Why is the sound on tp2 better? Thanks.
http://www.globaldirectparts.com/HTC-Touch-Pro2-Loud-Speaker-p/htc737530.htm
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Wouldn't the case itself make a difference in this? The TP2 had a pretty open back panel to allow sound to pass through. Or at least I remember that being the case. All the holes could have been fake. I gave mine to a family member when I got my Evo so can't check.
Might be a better speaker, but I doubt it will ever sound as good.
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Wouldn't the case itself make a difference in this? The TP2 had a pretty open back panel to allow sound to pass through. Or at least I remember that being the case. All the holes could have been fake. I gave mine to a family member when I got my Evo so can't check.
Might be a better speaker, but I doubt it will ever sound as good.
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You are probably right. I gave mine away also and havent looked at one in a while. Thanks.
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Tp2 had two speakers from what i remember
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...http://www.globaldirectparts.com/HTC-Touch-Pro2-Loud-Speaker-p/htc737530.htm
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It looks like that site has a minimum quantity required for ordering items. Is there a way around that or are you going to order the minimum and resell them?
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It looks like that site has a minimum quantity required for ordering items. Is there a way around that or are you going to order the minimum and resell them?
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I must have missed that. I was only using the site to show the photo. I will find it somewhere else.
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cor4twenty said:
Tp2 had two speakers from what i remember
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If thats the case i guess that kills the idea then.
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They both use the same parts...same thing with the headset speaker
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They both use the same parts...same thing with the headset speaker
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So I guess mobius999 was right then. It is the back cover that makes all the difference.
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Yuppers...different cases produce different soubds
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The sound doesn't look like it travels directly out of the speaker from what I saw when I took my 0003 apart, that plastic gasket makes me thing an attempt to "BOSE" it up...
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I'm not sure if the TP2 has 2 speakers or just 2 speaker ports, but sound is definitely emitted from both holes to the left & right of the camera. (see attached photos) I can confirm it sounds much, much better than my Evo, it is louder and reproduces a wider range of frequencies.
It looks like sound quality on the Evo may have been sacrificed for the dual flash. (TP2 always took horrible photos for me.) If the TP2 and Evo share the same single speaker, the improvements are likely attributable to the case. Perhaps some modifications to the speaker / camera housing and the battery cover could yield an improvement.
If the current speaker porting on the Evo restricts airflow excessively it would lower the volume and could cause additional stress on the speaker itself causing them to fail prematurely and / or sound like crap. I am no expert in this specific speaker technology but at a basic level there is a physical mechanism moving which in turn moves the air (aka sound). If the air flow is constricted it will provide increased resistance against the speaker.
From what I remember the TP2 had two speakers. Not for stereo but for different ranges...one was lows and the other was highs. You could cover up each speaker while music was playing and hear the difference as you moved your finger from speaker to speaker.
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I'm not sure if the TP2 has 2 speakers or just 2 speaker ports, but sound is definitely emitted from both holes to the left & right of the camera. (see attached photos) I can confirm it sounds much, much better than my Evo, it is louder and reproduces a wider range of frequencies.
It looks like sound quality on the Evo may have been sacrificed for the dual flash. (TP2 always took horrible photos for me.) If the TP2 and Evo share the same single speaker, the improvements are likely attributable to the case. Perhaps some modifications to the speaker / camera housing and the battery cover could yield an improvement.
If the current speaker porting on the Evo restricts airflow excessively it would lower the volume and could cause additional stress on the speaker itself causing them to fail prematurely and / or sound like crap. I am no expert in this specific speaker technology but at a basic level there is a physical mechanism moving which in turn moves the air (aka sound). If the air flow is constricted it will provide increased resistance against the speaker.
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This is exactly what I gathered after reading some of peoples input including yours. Even if the speakers are the same, I don't think it will make a difference. The back cover and housing are the key I think. Im going to play around with it this weekend see what I can come up with.
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Why Samsung? Why? speaker on the back? I love the note 4 the only really negative thing I have to say is why the speaker on the back of the device and not on the bottom like my note 3 ? I'm already finding myself laying the phone face down on the beautiful screen to hear any type of music, potentially scratching the screen. Sorry just ranting
Poor you... I wish I had your problems. Nevermind that a cellphone speaker sounds like complete garbage no matter where it's positioned. Maybe you should return the Note 4 and get a boombox instead.
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Why Samsung? Why? speaker on the back? I love the note 4 the only really negative thing I have to say is why the speaker on the back of the device and not on the bottom like my note 3 ? I'm already finding myself laying the phone face down on the beautiful screen to hear any type of music, potentially scratching the screen. Sorry just ranting
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You can edit the mixer_paths.xml and boost you speaker if you are rooted. I know it isnt really fix for the speaker but since you cant physically move the speaker to a new position , its all you really got . For me personally it doesnt make a difference but Im not coming from the Note 3 , Im coming from the GS5 which has the same speaker position.
HTC is the only company that got it right.
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Poor you... I wish I had your problems. Nevermind that a cellphone speaker sounds like complete garbage no matter where it's positioned. Maybe you should return the Note 4 and get a boombox instead.
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Sorry im not a audiophile I guess like yourself, sounds doesn't sound that bad to me the speaker placement was a horrible choice should've just left it on the bottom like the note3 would of been way better than where its at now. Im wondering if they did that because of the finger print scanner.
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and lets not forget the moto x and nexus 6
probably so we wont scratch that 20 inch camera on the back! I mean, why is it even poking out like that?!?!!??! its begging to be scratched, get broken if its continuously place on the back /rant
We will see those things on the note 5 lol
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and lets not forget the moto x and nexus 6
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Not having stereo on the X was disappointing but then again not really a big deal on a device that's so small. We'll see how the 6 fairs
the note 4 isnt geared towards sound hence, why samsung doesnt waste R&D on speakers that most people rarely use. I rarely use my speakers on my notes. If im not bluetoothed or streaming, its on silent. lol
The speaker on the Note 4 is clearer and louder than that on the Note 3. Fact.
http://youtu.be/_UYwfonN2hM
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Why Samsung? Why? speaker on the back? I love the note 4 the only really negative thing I have to say is why the speaker on the back of the device and not on the bottom like my note 3 ? I'm already finding myself laying the phone face down on the beautiful screen to hear any type of music, potentially scratching the screen. Sorry just ranting
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You won't scratch the screen from putting it screen down on a table. Gorilla glass is amazing man! I do agree that speakers on the rear suck though.
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the note 4 isnt geared towards sound hence, why samsung doesnt waste R&D on speakers that most people rarely use. I rarely use my speakers on my notes. If im not bluetoothed or streaming, its on silent. lol
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I have to agree there, I feel if i need to blast music they would be attach to some form of speaker lol. other wise, the sound is being stream through my bluetooth...or being stream to my tv lol
I hear there is a patent that stops them from putting it on the front.... Not 100% sure but I guess it's possible. I agree it's stupid being on the back but this Note 4 is a beast. I came from a Galaxy S5.
For me the speakers are perfect since I hold my phone with one hand and two i usually have a finger in the bottom holding the phone up and it used to cover the bottom speakers on my note 3, I sounds good and clear what do you expect surround sound.
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and lets not forget the moto x and nexus 6
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Moto g 2014 also.
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Has any phone ever used the front speaker for calls and system/media audio? I would think it would be pretty obvious to move the back speaker to the front and control the volume with software depending on if your in a call or playing music or whatever.
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The speaker is really the only thing left in the Note series that could really use some improvement. Everything gets incremental upgrades except for the speaker.
the speaker on the back is lame imo, but it does sound very good-so not sure how much I can really complain. It is very loud using speakerphone speaker and the ringtone/alarm. Certainly better than the Note 2/3 that I owned.
the HTC M* is still the best for media output for youtube or other video playback. I still wish HTC would have made a M8 5.97" phone.
The biggest problem with a rear speaker, is that when the phone is lying on it's back, the sound gets extremely muffled. This is especially true when using a case. Horrible, horrible design choice by Samsung.
I've been using my 5X for a day now, and my one major complaint is the terrible vibration motor. The thing makes more noise than it does vibrate.
The original Nexus 5 had great feeling haptic feedback that made very little noise. Whereas, the 5X makes an obnoxious high pitch "beeping" type noise that sounds like it's coming from the earpiece.
I was typing on the 5X in bed last night, and the vibration feedback was so audibly loud that I had to disable it, for fear of waking my wife.
Part of me is hoping this is a manufacturing defect, but I am doubtful...
Here's a side by side video demonstrating the 5 vs 5X:
https://youtu.be/f-D93hEoPpA
There's a thread for that http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3226848
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Sounds like they got their vibration motors from Motorola!
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Sounds like they got their vibration motors from Motorola!
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But the Motorola motors have one advantage, though highly audible, at least you can FEEL them! They vibrate and serve their intended purpose.
The 5x motor is barely felt yet highly audible!
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But the Motorola motors have one advantage, though highly audible, at least you can FEEL them! They vibrate and serve their intended purpose.
The 5x motor is barely felt yet highly audible!
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Ah, well that stinks.
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haptic motor seems fine to me when i started using it. However, i've always turned off haptic everything for all my phones anyway so....... yeah.
I made a video comparing the Nexus 5 and the 5X vibration noise.
https://youtu.be/f-D93hEoPpA
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I made a video comparing the Nexus 5 and the 5X vibration noise.
https://youtu.be/f-D93hEoPpA
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That's so annoying! Lol. I don't use haptic for the keyboard so it isn't too bad for me, but for other haptic stuff, I know it will be
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I never use it, but the best way to describe it is it is tiny. Some prefer a deep rumble. It makes no noise on mine
While not dismissing your opinion, I can see how this might not be something that everyone likes, I love it (so far). I qualify that statement.
Yes I can totally understand the annoyance of the sound I do love the immediacy of the feedback and while I don't want to say that it's stronger than the N5 it definitely feels more sharp and distinct. Now saying that I always felt that the haptic feedback on the original felt far too dull for my liking. I guess it's a personal thing but I can agree that the noise it generates would be preferably absent in a perfect world.
nexus phones never have a solid good vibrator. Nexus 6 being worst.
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nexus phones never have a solid good vibrator. Nexus 6 being worst.
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I don't think the n6 had a chirping sound when vibrating?
My N6 didn't chirp but the vibration at 100% was bad sounding. With a kernel tweaker it needs to be at about 50%. With the 5X, it's way less, very subdued, almost too subdude
As soon as I pulled the phone out of the box and turned it on, I immediately noticed this. I hope there is a fix.
For some people, this might not be a big deal, but I tend to pick up on subtle sounds, and it is definitely audible.
I have this exact same problem. It is obnoxious. I'm not sure how anyone who prefers key noises off could deal with this. I thought it was the speaker when I first got it. The haptic feedback is mostly felt through the back of the phone and the fingers/palm touching the underside. Which doesn't make much sense at all considering it's supposed to make it feel like you're touching the screen. On the screen it is way too underpowered. So basically there are no benefits to it at all on the phone. I have a replacement order already in the mail, but if it comes with the issue again I'm hoping they can upgrade me to the 6P or something (despite not wanting the extra size). It's sad that I have to compromise on the successor to the best nexus phone built just because either nobody noticed this or cared during production, or because of poor quality assurance.
Are you guys sure it's the faulty vibro motor and not it's placement? I remember how Nexus 10 had a very weird noise for vibration, and turns out the motor was placed right under one of the speaker grills, which resulted in the audible noise amplified by the empty space within the grill
Just got my nexus 5x. It doesn't sound anything near as loud as the moto. I'd say it's close to the audible noise of a Samsung. Which is fine with me. It might not be as strong of a vibrate, but its as least quiet. No point in having your phone in vibrate only mode when your phone's vibrations can be heard across the room!
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Just got my nexus 5x. It doesn't sound anything near as loud as the moto. I'd say it's close to the audible noise of a Samsung. Which is fine with me. It might not be as strong of a vibrate, but its as least quiet. No point in having your phone in vibrate only mode when your phone's vibrations can be heard across the room!
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Great to hear, hated the one from Moto x2
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Fatal1ty_93_RUS said:
Are you guys sure it's the faulty vibro motor and not it's placement? I remember how Nexus 10 had a very weird noise for vibration, and turns out the motor was placed right under one of the speaker grills, which resulted in the audible noise amplified by the empty space within the grill
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This isn't the issue. For me most of the vibration is through the back of the phone and very little is felt with the screen-touching finger. In fact, the beeping noise from the video on page 1 (watch it if you're not sure of the noise) sounds more like it's coming from more on the top left (SD card area). With or without an SD card in or the tray removed entirely, the noise is the same.
I describe it as a large mosquito noise.... and I like it .
The top speaker on my phone is noticeably louder than the bottom speaker. I've played music and watched videos in portrait and landscape mode and turned it every way to make sure it's not just the orientation. It's even more noticeable when I play this video to check: https://youtu.be/hTvJoYnpeRQ
Anyone else have this problem? Such a bummer because everything else about the phone is absolutely perfect. Gonna wait a few days to see if it gets better but I will probably RMA it. Just wanted to see if anyone else is experiencing this.
Mine is the same way, noticed it yesterday.
Thank goodness mine is consistent. Also not having any issues everyone else is having. Perhaps we should open a thread about where we purchased and list of problems.
Only slight rant I have is 3.5mm jack. My left ear makes little static noise. It's really low sound and stops when something is playing so I won't complain or RMA it. I had same issue with Samsung tablet so I'm just hoping it's a software bug. We'll see.
By the way, I think there is a similar topic on this channel. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3221402
My first one had this problem and only realised when I got a replacement. Way much better sound and volume.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3237050
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Mine is also the same way. Top speaker is slightly louder. Weird.
Looks like another widespread issue.
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This is a frustrating issue. I want to RMA but am worried about having another experience like I did with my Nexus 7(2013) where I have to RMA multiple times only to receive several devices with the same issue. I really love this phone and everything is satisfactory besides the bottom speaker but I'm really considering returning it.
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It's a hard decision, cause you can end up with worse device lol but we all should get what we paid for. All should be top notch
I am picking my second replacement tomorrow.
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Can this can be tweaked in the mixer paths XML? Or can you not change individual speakers? Mine is maybe very slightly louder at the top but it's hardly noticeable.
The speakers have to be lined up with what are really pretty tiny cut outs in the front glass. There is probably some sort of foam gasket between the speaker and the glass of the screen. The gasket, if there is one, not only directs sound to the cut out, but also sometimes serves as a sort of tiny megaphone and is integral to the acoustics of the speaker.
It is easy to have a slightly misaligned gasked blocking sound, which can have a surprisingly significant effect on the sound quality and volume of a cell phone speaker. So, although I'm just guessing, I bet something like this is the problem (rather than the speaker element itself).
I've seen this sort of thing badly put together in other phones. So it's probaby a quality control issue in the assembly of the phone.
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It's a hard decision, cause you can end up with worse device lol but we all should get what we paid for. All should be top notch
I am picking my second replacement tomorrow.
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Let us know how it turned out
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Both replacement were fine regarding speaker volume. However both has a pink tint. First one top and this one bottom!
Going back tomorrow
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Both replacement were fine regarding speaker volume. However both has a pink tint. First one top and this one bottom!
Going back tomorrow
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you are sending it back again??
Blehh I cant decide what I wanna do and if I am artificially creating this problem on my 6P after reading this and other threads
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My first one had this problem and only realised when I got a replacement. Way much better sound and volume.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3237050
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Would you mind playing this video on your replacement? My top speaker is definitely deeper and has better sound than my bottom speaker which sounds tinny and artificial.
https://youtu.be/hTvJoYnpeRQ
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Blehh I cant decide what I wanna do and if I am artificially creating this problem on my 6P after reading this and other threads
Would you mind playing this video on your replacement? My top speaker is definitely deeper and has better sound than my bottom speaker which sounds tinny and artificial.
https://youtu.be/hTvJoYnpeRQ
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Bottom one sounds a bit different but I would say its acceptable. My 1st 6p was definitely more quiet on the bottom speaker. I could hear it without special channel test.
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Bottom one sounds a bit different but I would say its acceptable. My 1st 6p was definitely more quiet on the bottom speaker. I could hear it without special channel test.
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I think its all in my head, damn OCD.
I'm having the same issue with my Nexus 6P (32 GB, Aluminum), which I purchased from the Google Store. I just got off the phone with Google support. They did not offer to replace it and did not seem like they would have even if I pushed them. They're saying that this is how Huawei designed the phone, i.e., it's a design flaw. He also said he would open a ticket for "top-level management" to look into the issue, so there's at least an implicit recognition that something's wrong.
It sounds from what I'm reading like some other retailers are being more lenient with the returns? Something to keep in mind for anyone who hasn't bought theirs quite yet.
I guess for now I'll just enjoy my imbalanced audio. Great phone otherwise though.
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I'm having the same issue with my Nexus 6P (32 GB, Aluminum), which I purchased from the Google Store. I just got off the phone with Google support. They did not offer to replace it and did not seem like they would have even if I pushed them. They're saying that this is how Huawei designed the phone, i.e., it's a design flaw. He also said he would open a ticket for "top-level management" to look into the issue, so there's at least an implicit recognition that something's wrong.
It sounds from what I'm reading like some other retailers are being more lenient with the returns? Something to keep in mind for anyone who hasn't bought theirs quite yet.
I guess for now I'll just enjoy my imbalanced audio. Great phone otherwise though.
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Call again, explain you've went through troubleshooting steps. Reboot, reboot to safe mode, trying many different apps to play music/video/etc and bottom speaker is clearly softer in volume. I had the email to RMA about an hour after getting off the phone. Replacement hasn't shipped yet, but is processing. There are people on reddit who had the same issue and have received replacements already and said their first one was definitely defective as the new one is balanced.
I don't know where the rep you spoke to got the idea that it's how it's designed (I've seen that floating around), but that doesn't make any sense, they are supposed to be stereo speakers, which you obviously want to be balanced.
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Call again, explain you've went through troubleshooting steps. Reboot, reboot to safe mode, trying many different apps to play music/video/etc and bottom speaker is clearly softer in volume. I had the email to RMA about an hour after getting off the phone. Replacement hasn't shipped yet, but is processing. There are people on reddit who had the same issue and have received replacements already and said their first one was definitely defective as the new one is balanced.
I don't know where the rep you spoke to got the idea that it's how it's designed (I've seen that floating around), but that doesn't make any sense, they are supposed to be stereo speakers, which you obviously want to be balanced.
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Thanks. I was a bit on the fence as to what to do, but I followed your advice and contacted them again. It took quite a while, and they still gave me the same message that it's a question of design (they said they received an update directly from Huawei about this on October 31), adding this time that they could go ahead and replace the phone, but that the new phone would still have the same speaker imbalance. Well, I figured I'd take my chances with the replacement and see if the imbalance is fixed. I could even hold on to the current one until I get the replacement and then do a comparison.
Unfortunately, as the rep was processing the order he said he couldn't move forward because the system required a reason for returning the device and imbalanced speakers isn't an error or flaw, it's by design. He said I could return the device for a refund and then order a new one, but in the meantime I'd be without a phone. He seemed to spend a fair amount of time trying to find a workaround and speaking with his manager, but all to no avail.
At this point, I've been on the phone for so long today that I'm just going to wait it out for a few days and reassess then. Perhaps I'll get different answers if I call in a few days, or perhaps Google or Huawei will get about to addressing the issue (one can hope, right?).
Hopefully the rest of you will have better luck!
Only way it is going to sound the same volume wise is if both speakers have identical enclosures. Like regular speaker cabinets. One of them probably has more room to breathe and the other one is probably cramped with other components and hence they don't sound the same!
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