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3G Networks hardware LOCKING to each carrier by HTC

Among those of you with a deap knowledge of the inner working of HTC phone for 3G networks.
Is HTC doing something to phones for each carrier to lock the phone to a specific carriers 3G network and no other.
I'm asking because I was talking with a freind of mine who was given a HD2 as a part of a promotion for use on AT&T 3G network (850/2100). He uses T-Mobile and tried to get it to work with his T-Mobile SIM with no success. He also told me he had a conversation with someone from HTC that told him that he would no beable to get his HD2 to work on T-Mobile because the hardware will not work with T-Mobiles 3G network (1700/2100).
If this is the case does anyone know if it changable, is it a Firmware issue that can be changed or is it like hard wired physically?
Then the question is if we are buying these phone, some through contracts others outright, do we want to told whos service we have to use!!
Lets have some good discussion...

there are billions of threads on this.
3g is radio/hardware dependent. he'll unfortunately be stuck on EDGE.

He will have no issues using the phone with T-mobile usa. He will not get 3G because of the bands. He will just have edge. But calls, mms, text, email, and internet will all function properly.

Clarify this please
I bought my HTC HD2 in USA (unlocked) and here in Peru, where I live, I cannot get it to work with 3G. If I lived in USA, is there a way to know with what carrier I would get 3G ?

alejo1575 said:
I bought my HTC HD2 in USA (unlocked) and here in Peru, where I live, I cannot get it to work with 3G. If I lived in USA, is there a way to know with what carrier I would get 3G ?
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So you are on Claro in Peru?
For 3G you need a phone with 3G 1900 support. If it is the T-Mobile version, that would have 3G on 1700/2100 bands which would be no good. If you got an AT&T handset (850/1900) it would work for 3G for you.
You need to understand what 3G support your version of the phone has. For example mine (Telstra Australia) is 850/2100 - which would not be able to pick up 3G in your network - however it works excellent with Telstra (850) in Australia and currently working well with StarHub (2100) in Singapore.
Your phone is quad band - but that is GSM quadband not 3G - it is 3G dual band and that is what is important for your connection.
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks for list of 3G networks...

Yeah ...bad news
tallmantim said:
So you are on Claro in Peru?
For 3G you need a phone with 3G 1900 support. If it is the T-Mobile version, that would have 3G on 1700/2100 bands which would be no good. If you got an AT&T handset (850/1900) it would work for 3G for you.
You need to understand what 3G support your version of the phone has. For example mine (Telstra Australia) is 850/2100 - which would not be able to pick up 3G in your network - however it works excellent with Telstra (850) in Australia and currently working well with StarHub (2100) in Singapore.
Your phone is quad band - but that is GSM quadband not 3G - it is 3G dual band and that is what is important for your connection.
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Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????

alejo1575 said:
Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
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No, but the Telstra HD2 will pick up the 850MHz signals where they exist. There is no HD2 with the 1900MHz UMTS band at the moment

lude219 said:
there are billions of threads on this.
3g is radio/hardware dependent. he'll unfortunately be stuck on EDGE.
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Would you mind pointing me in the direction of those BILLIONS of threads.
I've done searchs on hardware dependents, radio/hardware dependents, 3G radio.
There are so many way that is topic could be listed.
I'm finding nothing but my thread now just as before.

theisdept said:
a freind of mine who was given a HD2 as a part of a promotion for use on AT&T 3G network
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Then the question is if we are buying these phone, some through contracts others outright, do we want to told whos service we have to use!!
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Erm, so AT&T gives a phone, for promotion of their service, and at the same time they should allow you to use another network? You've got too much hope there...

alejo1575 said:
Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
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yea my friend my phone is , and i am here with t mobile suffering from same problem like u , i bought that phone which is compatible with Asia , not here in usa
is there way to exchange??
mine is
Network HSPA/WCDMA:
900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps upload and 7.2 Mbps download speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are
operator dependen)

egypro said:
is there way to exchange??
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exchange your phone for cash
exchange that cash for a phone that supports the correct bands.

Samsung Needs To Communicate LTE

Samsung needs to tell us clearly what is what with the Note 2. If someone wants to buy an International Note 2, from say UK, and not wait till Nov., will the Note 2 from UK work on ATT with LTE? Why can't Samsung publish the radio bands for the International Note 2? I have looked at numerous websites and some list LTE and others don't, and overseas LTE radio bands appear different than ATT, as an example.It would seem we should be told what is what, so all can clearly understand what device to buy from where, if one wants LTE. I don't have on original Note, but have on S3, and totally a requirement going forward. LTE is so much much faster than 3G that I don't want to buy a Note 2 if it isn't capable of LTE that works on ATT. I rather wait till mid Nov. and get directly from ATT than get 6 weeks sooner, if it only has 3G. Perhaps I will just wait to be sure, but seems straightforward question that easily can be answered and published by Samsung.
Maybe I have missed something, but I can't find any definitive info regarding this LTE subject. Samsung needs to communicate.

I am also trying to figure out which version to buy and every site says something different,
This is phonearena which I am going off of
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-GALAXY-Note-II_id7254

spridell said:
I am also trying to figure out which version to buy and every site says something different,
This is phonearena which I am going off of
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-GALAXY-Note-II_id7254
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Additional examples, Clove UK specs say nothing about 4G LTE, yet Negri Electronics specs calls out 4G LTE...and on and on......Handtec in UK spec does call out 4G LTE, and we know Handtec and Clove UK will be getting the same device. Handtec spec:
3G: HSPA＋ 21Mbps (HSDPA 21Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps) 4G LTE: 100Mbps/ 50Mbps (HDSPA 42Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps)

I'm going off this:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/12/galaxy-note-2-fcc/
The GT-N7105 model doesn't have LTE bands, so deductive reasoning says the N7100 model might.
...although it might not

Funk2641 said:
I'm going off this:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/12/galaxy-note-2-fcc/
The GT-N7105 model doesn't have LTE bands, so deductive reasoning says the N7100 model might.
...although it might not
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Agreed, but my point, no one knows, so Samsung step up and tell us.....................hello

nascar24usa said:
Agreed, but my point, no one knows, so Samsung step up and tell us.....................hello
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There sure is conflicting info everywhere.
N7100 is non LTE,
N7105 has LTE
The galaxy s3 I9300 has no LTE
While their I9305 model does have LTE
Look for the 05 to identify the LTE model. Now whether a European LTE model will work in The USA or vice versa is another headache

lawtq said:
There sure is conflicting info everywhere.
N7100 is non LTE,
N7105 has LTE
The galaxy s3 I9300 has no LTE
While their I9305 model does have LTE
Look for the 05 to identify the LTE model. Now whether a European LTE model will work in The USA or vice versa is another headache
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That is the million dollar question, will the N7105 LTE model work on the LTE carriers here in the USA.
If it does that would be awesome.

I am also slightly peeved about this. Then again, it's not like I will have it in my hands the moment I know the LTE bands. According to the Engadget article it states no "US-FRIENDLY" LTE bands, which may no imply the device not having LTE altogether.

I would suspect the LTE version sold outside America will have LTE 800/900/1800/2100/2600 (meaning it will work perfectly on all LTE networks in Europe and almost everywhere else in the world) and then America will have their own versions that support your (AT&T for GSM version) 700MHz LTE band.

nascar24usa said:
Samsung needs to tell us clearly what is what with the Note 2. If someone wants to buy an International Note 2, from say UK, and not wait till Nov., will the Note 2 from UK work on ATT with LTE? Why can't Samsung publish the radio bands for the International Note 2? I have looked at numerous websites and some list LTE and others don't, and overseas LTE radio bands appear different than ATT, as an example.It would seem we should be told what is what, so all can clearly understand what device to buy from where, if one wants LTE. I don't have on original Note, but have on S3, and totally a requirement going forward. LTE is so much much faster than 3G that I don't want to buy a Note 2 if it isn't capable of LTE that works on ATT. I rather wait till mid Nov. and get directly from ATT than get 6 weeks sooner, if it only has 3G. Perhaps I will just wait to be sure, but seems straightforward question that easily can be answered and published by Samsung.
Maybe I have missed something, but I can't find any definitive info regarding this LTE subject. Samsung needs to communicate.
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There are at least 5 different versions if not more. Although it is LTE capable, the version sold for England does not have a LTE chip, The German one does but it will not work on ATT. There are no LTE networks in Europe that I know about compatible with ATT LTE bands. If you buy one in Europe plan on using 3G and 2G on ATT. Make sure it has these bands:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
ATT uses 850 and 1900 for 2G and 3G. You need both.
To use ATT LTE you need a chip for this:
LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100.

Sebring5 said:
There are at least 5 different versions if not more. Although it is LTE capable, the version sold for England does not have a LTE chip, The German one does but it will not work on ATT. There are no LTE networks in Europe that I know about compatible with ATT LTE bands. If you buy one in Europe plan on using 3G and 2G on ATT. Make sure it has these bands:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
ATT uses 850 and 1900 for 2G and 3G. You need both.
To use ATT LTE you need a chip for this:
LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100.
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Negri Electronics (Las Vegas) pre order lists the Note 2 as follows:
3G/4G bands 850 , 900 , 1900 , 2100
DATA GPRS Yes
EDGE Yes
Speed HSDPA, 21 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps; LTE, Cat3, 50 Mbps UL, 100 Mbps
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100
If accurate, this will work with ATT LTE, yes?

nascar24usa said:
Negri Electronics (Las Vegas) pre order lists the Note 2 as follows:
3G/4G bands 850 , 900 , 1900 , 2100
DATA GPRS Yes
EDGE Yes
Speed HSDPA, 21 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps; LTE, Cat3, 50 Mbps UL, 100 Mbps
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100
If accurate, this will work with ATT LTE, yes?
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You need to confirm LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100 is on board the model they are selling you. There are a lot of different versions and not all have LTE chips and the ones that do have LTE chips for different areas. There is a CDMA version that US Cellular has up for preorder.

apparently there is a bunch of Gnote II types...this is just confusing why wouldnt they just have a 4g for all?
just realized the one i bought from Handtec will not have 4g/LTE
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3807&c=samsung_gt-n7105_galaxy_note_ii_lte_32gb

There is an NDA on the 4g version.
EE has an exclusivity package.

Yep most UK information points to EE having the 4G LTE version.
I hate looking at mobile phone websites the first thing you see is iphone5! Then search for phones coming soon and galaxy note 2 isn't even there!
Samsung needs to get their marketing sorted 4 days to go and nobody knows for sure wtf going on. Carriers are equally to blame for lack of information.

[Q] Difference btwn Carrier phone(t-mobile, AT&T etc.) & International n9005 LTE

[Q] Difference btwn Carrier phone(t-mobile, AT&T etc.) & International n9005 LTE
Hi,
I would like to know if theres a difference between a carrier phone(t-mobile, AT&T etc.) & International n9005 LTE? I try looking up the information and through the forums but I'm still kind of confuse and dont have a set answer. I know the carrier phone is n900 but other than that is there any differences? I live in the US. now but I use to have international phones in case I travel, rooting wise and etc. But after the regional lock issue, I'm not sure which version to buy now.
Thank you!!:good:

mrpug said:
Hi,
I would like to know if theres a difference between a carrier phone(t-mobile, AT&T etc.) & International n9005 LTE? I try looking up the information and through the forums but I'm still kind of confuse and dont have a set answer. I know the carrier phone is n900 but other than that is there any differences? I live in the US. now but I use to have international phones in case I travel, rooting wise and etc. But after the regional lock issue, I'm not sure which version to buy now.
Thank you!!:good:
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It is my understanding and I am sure I will be corrected that the N900T, A V etc are not region locked. Just carrier locked. Fellow forum member did a nice write up about the differences of the US Carrier versions. His name is Mircury.

As far as I know the carrier models are carrier and region locked but if you root the device you can use ChainFire's region away app and you will be able to swap out sim cards based on your location. T-Mobile just unveiled free world roaming data usage though and with T-Mobile you can use WiFi calling so if you are outside the country you can use the data and make calls on WiFi at no additional cost.

The Carrier-specific versions have a few LTE bands unlocked that the International one doesn't.

Limeybastard said:
It is my understanding and I am sure I will be corrected that the N900T, A V etc are not region locked. Just carrier locked. Fellow forum member did a nice write up about the differences of the US Carrier versions. His name is Mircury.
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ah thanks, found it, was really helpful:good:
so technically speaking international n9005LTE will not be compatible with t-mobile's 3g or 4g LTE? as the bandwidth as I see the people mention in that forum is not compatible?
I went to a store to check the phone out and a seller of the international n9005 told me the data will be running on H? would you happen to know what it means?
Thanks !

AdmiralCF420 said:
As far as I know the carrier models are carrier and region locked but if you root the device you can use ChainFire's region away app and you will be able to swap out sim cards based on your location. T-Mobile just unveiled free world roaming data usage though and with T-Mobile you can use WiFi calling so if you are outside the country you can use the data and make calls on WiFi at no additional cost.
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Ah I see, so would you assume that getting the T-mobile one will be better compare to the international n9005LTE?

mrpug said:
ah thanks, found it, was really helpful:good:
so technically speaking international n9005LTE will not be compatible with t-mobile's 3g or 4g LTE? as the bandwidth as I see the people mention in that forum is not compatible?
I went to a store to check the phone out and a seller of the international n9005 told me the data will be running on H? would you happen to know what it means?
Thanks !
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HSPA perhaps? I am not rooted or have I used Chairfires method. I have two options to prove this case, either buy a UK sim card here and put it in my phone and see what occurs or wait til I get there.
The N900T seems to okay, yes if you want to use it here on ATT or T mobile at least. With perhaps a little roaming overseas.
There is also another thread named something like Region locked, its over 100 pages, good luck!
Here you go..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457964

mrpug said:
ah thanks, found it, was really helpful:good:
so technically speaking international n9005LTE will not be compatible with t-mobile's 3g or 4g LTE? as the bandwidth as I see the people mention in that forum is not compatible?
I went to a store to check the phone out and a seller of the international n9005 told me the data will be running on H? would you happen to know what it means?
Thanks !
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The order of speed is this: (Network/Signal Designation)
GSM/G (2G)
GPRS/G+ (2.5G)
EDGE/E (2.75G)
UMTS/3G (3G)
HSPA/H (3.5G)
HSPA+/H+ (3.75G)
LTE (3.9G)
LTE Advanced (4G)
So H is HSPA = 3.5G.
International N9005 can get the 3G signal on pretty much any frequency, including US. It's the LTE bands that are incompatible.
T-Mobile US runs LTE on the 1700Mhz band, and 3G on the 1900Mhz band.
AT&T and Verizon use the 700, 1700 and 2100Mhz band for LTE, and 850 and 1900Mhz for 3G.
Sprint uses the 800, 1900 and 2500Mhz for LTE, and 800 and 1900Mhz for 3G.
N9005 International gets:
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G/LTE 800 / 850 / 900 / 1800 / 2100 / 2600.

Limeybastard said:
HSPA perhaps? I am not rooted or have I used Chairfires method. I have two options to prove this case, either buy a UK sim card here and put it in my phone and see what occurs or wait til I get there.
The N900T seems to okay, yes if you want to use it here on ATT or T mobile at least. With perhaps a little roaming overseas.
There is also another thread named something like Region locked, its over 100 pages, good luck!
Here you go..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457964
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yea I read through that whole forum but was just confused about the differences

ShadowLea said:
The order of speed is this: (Network/Signal Designation)
GSM/G (2G)
GPRS/G+ (2.5G)
EDGE/E (2.75G)
UMTS/3G (3G)
HSPA/H (3.5G)
HSPA+/H+ (3.75G)
LTE (3.9G)
LTE Advanced (4G)
So H is HSPA = 3.5G.
International N9005 can get the 3G signal on pretty much any frequency, including US. It's the LTE bands that are incompatible.
T-Mobile US runs LTE on the 1700Mhz band, and 3G on the 1900Mhz band.
AT&T and Verizon use the 700, 1700 and 2100Mhz band for LTE, and 850 and 1900Mhz for 3G.
Sprint uses the 800, 1900 and 2500Mhz for LTE, and 800 and 1900Mhz for 3G.
N9005 International gets:
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G/LTE 800 / 850 / 900 / 1800 / 2100 / 2600.
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Let us not forgot what other Bands the T MobileN900T has for LTE not just based on what they run here..

ShadowLea said:
The order of speed is this: (Network/Signal Designation)
GSM/G (2G)
GPRS/G+ (2.5G)
EDGE/E (2.75G)
UMTS/3G (3G)
HSPA/H (3.5G)
HSPA+/H+ (3.75G)
LTE (3.9G)
LTE Advanced (4G)
So H is HSPA = 3.5G.
International N9005 can get the 3G signal on pretty much any frequency, including US. It's the LTE bands that are incompatible.
T-Mobile US runs LTE on the 1700Mhz band, and 3G on the 1900Mhz band.
AT&T and Verizon use the 700, 1700 and 2100Mhz band for LTE, and 850 and 1900Mhz for 3G.
Sprint uses the 800, 1900 and 2500Mhz for LTE, and 800 and 1900Mhz for 3G.
N9005 International gets:
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G/LTE 800 / 850 / 900 / 1800 / 2100 / 2600.
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ok now im understanding it better, I was trying to find information through the forums but I guess I got confuse reading information here and there cause some people were saying it runs on 2g and some says 3g.
Thank alot!:laugh:

mrpug said:
ok now im understanding it better, I was trying to find information through the forums but I guess I got confuse reading information here and there cause some people were saying it runs on 2g and some says 3g.
Thank alot!:laugh:
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I think in all honesty the best speed I will get with my Note 3 N900T in the UK will be 3G. Not until they start using band 7 2600 which is still not used but reserved for future.

Limeybastard said:
Let us not forgot what other Bands the T MobileN900T has for LTE not just based on what they run here..
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I just compared the N9005, which he asked about, with the US cellular providers. Having multiple bands is lovely, but if your provider isn't using them, they're also a bit pointless
mrpug said:
ok now im understanding it better, I was trying to find information through the forums but I guess I got confuse reading information here and there cause some people were saying it runs on 2g and some says 3g.
Thank alot!:laugh:
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It can get a bit confusing, yes.

ShadowLea said:
I just compared the N9005, which he asked about, with the US cellular providers. Having multiple bands is lovely, but if your provider isn't using them, they're also a bit pointless
It can get a bit confusing, yes.
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I thought he was like me and wanting to travel.? LOL

Limeybastard said:
I thought he was like me and wanting to travel.? LOL
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Your both correct lols :laugh: I mostly live in the US but for when I do travel which is often, its nice to know what the phone can and cannot do.

mrpug said:
Your both correct lols :laugh: I mostly live in the US but for when I do travel which is often, its nice to know what the phone can and cannot do.
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Don't worry I've done my research and concluded, if you live in the USA and travel then go for the N900T. I did :good:

Limeybastard said:
Don't worry I've done my research and concluded, if you live in the USA and travel then go for the N900T. I did :good:
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lols How often do you travel? Majority of the time i'm in the US

mrpug said:
lols How often do you travel? Majority of the time i'm in the US
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Not much, but when I do travel ( excuse the pun ) I go to the United Kingdom and occasionally whilst there travel to Gay Paris.:laugh:

Limeybastard said:
Not much, but when I do travel ( excuse the pun ) I go to the United Kingdom and occasionally whilst there travel to Gay Paris.:laugh:
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haha:laugh:, at least your traveling to Paris, I know people who would love to go there but haven't got the chance yet.

ShadowLea said:
The order of speed is this: (Network/Signal Designation)
GSM/G (2G)
GPRS/G+ (2.5G)
EDGE/E (2.75G)
UMTS/3G (3G)
HSPA/H (3.5G)
HSPA+/H+ (3.75G)
LTE (3.9G)
LTE Advanced (4G)
So H is HSPA = 3.5G.
International N9005 can get the 3G signal on pretty much any frequency, including US. It's the LTE bands that are incompatible.
T-Mobile US runs LTE on the 1700Mhz band, and 3G on the 1900Mhz band.
AT&T and Verizon use the 700, 1700 and 2100Mhz band for LTE, and 850 and 1900Mhz for 3G.
Sprint uses the 800, 1900 and 2500Mhz for LTE, and 800 and 1900Mhz for 3G.
N9005 International gets:
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G/LTE 800 / 850 / 900 / 1800 / 2100 / 2600.
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So pretty much you won't be able to get a factory unlocked LTE Note 3 working on T-Mobile LTE? Please tell me I'm mistaken.

[Q] Which note 3 for these connections

I need a note 3 that can:
connect to AT&T LTE here in the USA
And connect to T-Mobile NL in Holland
And unlocked bootloader
ATT:
850 MHz CLR 5 UMTS/HSPA+ 21Mbit/s 4G In service
1900 MHz PCS 2 UMTS/HSPA+ 21Mbit/s 4G In service
700 MHz Block B 17 LTE 4G In service Main LTE band providing complete coverage
1700/2100 MHz AWS 4 LTE 4G In service Additional LTE band for more bandwidth in select markets
1900 MHz PCS 2 LTE 4G Service starts by the end of 2013 Additional LTE band for more bandwidth in select markets[31]
2300 MHz WCS 30 LTE 4G Approved for deployment in Oct 2012[32]
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TMO:
This company uses GSM1800 as their main frequency band for communications. In 2010 T-Mobile Netherlands had some problems with 3G capacity, but after investing in the network modernization they have managed to deal with this problem. So now they provide 3G services using 2100MHz band
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Am I restricted to the N900-T? or is there another one you know of.
sorry for the noob question i don't know about all the bands.
Thanks!

T-Mo NL uses the 900Mhz for 2G, 2100Mhz band for 3G, and are in the process of updating to the 900Mhz band for both 2G and 3G. (Should be finished by the end of 2016.) LTE runs on the 1800Mhz band. (I can dream these numbers by now...)
You can find the bands per phone version here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2574886
Does the TMo US version even work with AT&T?
Both N900-t and N9005 work in terms of frequency for 2G.
You will probably not be able to use the N900T for 3G once the network upgrade is finished here, as we're going to be using the 900Mhz as the main frequency for 3G. The N900T can't see that one. The 2100Mhz will be serving as a bandwidth increaser, not as the main band.
There's a chance you won't get 4G everywhere on the N9005 when using it in the US, as it can't see the 700/1700/1900/2300Mhz frequency.
And you're going to have to root to get rid of the region lock either way if you want to use both SIMs.

Tmo version 4G will not work with AT&T 4G. I tried with my wife's phone

T-Mobile (US) devices support the same frequencies as AT&T devices. This is coming from experience and from the fact that I've pretty much memorized all the band numbers that carriers use and phones support.
If you want a Note 3 that supports AT&T LTE in the US and HSPA+ in NL, you can either get the AT&T model or the T-Mobile model. The T-Mobile model supports one extra band (1700 MHz HSPA+) that is only used on T-Mobile US (nowhere outside of North America), so it wouldn't make a difference. Just know that it CAN be used on AT&T. The other differences between the two:
1. The T-Mobile version supports Wifi Calling (if used on T-Mobile), AT&T model doesn't.
2. AT&T removes the "Network Mode" menu from the Settings menu (so you can't force EDGE for example).
3. AT&T version has a locked bootloader. T-Mobile version doesn't.
In many instances, although 900 MHz WCDMA/HSPA+ isn't listed, it's supported. I can't confirm it because I'm in the US, and GSM carriers use (total) 850/1700/1900/2100 MHz for WCDMA, not 900 MHz. I think it's just unlisted to discourage people from exporting the US models. The only LTE frequency that North America shares in common with Europe is 2600 MHz, which is supported by the phone. I believe that's only used in urban areas in Europe.
Overall the T-Mobile model is the most open in terms of bootloader and supported frequencies (though either model would work in your case).

[Q] Installed Echoe_Illusion ROM, but no 4G

Hi.
I installed the Echoe_Illusion rom some days ago and I like it
The bad part is that I don't seem to get 4G on it and the network I'm using and the place I'm in sure should have it.
I'm in Sweden and the build number is: Echoe_Illusion_KOT49H.G900fFXXU1ANCE.
Baseband: G900FXXU1ANC9
I'm starting to think that something is wrong with that baseband and my geographic placement, can I test it somehow, cos a test just gives me
about 25M down and 2M up when I saw another guy get 50M down and 40M up in the same place.
Is there a way to check the frequencies with a "secret" keypad code like in my old SGS2, I fiddled with that and got better speeds?
and another thing, is everything with Flash now out of the picture?
Read something that the last version was for Android 4.0, I tried that but firefox just hangs,

Basher_52 said:
Hi.
I installed the Echoe_Illusion rom some days ago and I like it
The bad part is that I don't seem to get 4G on it and the network I'm using and the place I'm in sure should have it.
I'm in Sweden and the build number is: Echoe_Illusion_KOT49H.G900fFXXU1ANCE.
Baseband: G900FXXU1ANC9
I'm starting to think that something is wrong with that baseband and my geographic placement, can I test it somehow, cos a test just gives me
about 25M down and 2M up when I saw another guy get 50M down and 40M up in the same place.
Is there a way to check the frequencies with a "secret" keypad code like in my old SGS2, I fiddled with that and got better speeds?
and another thing, is everything with Flash now out of the picture?
Read something that the last version was for Android 4.0, I tried that but firefox just hangs,
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might be better to ask this question in the echoe rom thread

ex-28 said:
might be better to ask this question in the echoe rom thread
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Yeah, thought so too but I have less then 10 post count so I can't post in there...
I'm not a spammer as you guys are, lmao

Basher_52 said:
Yeah, thought so too but I have less then 10 post count so I can't post in there...
I'm not a spammer as you guys are, lmao
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Double check the APN and make sure it's correct for your provider's LTE network.

Basher_52 said:
Yeah, thought so too but I have less then 10 post count so I can't post in there...
I'm not a spammer as you guys are, lmao
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ok understand now , just a few more and you can make it.

jawmail said:
Double check the APN and make sure it's correct for your provider's LTE network.
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I have, several times although they don't have all the information the phone needs.
Tried to fiddle with it with the result of no network at all.

Basher_52 said:
Hi.
Is there a way to check the frequencies with a "secret" keypad code like in my old SGS2, I fiddled with that and got better speeds?
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You don't need any key for check frequency in Europe almost every privider use same frequency
Band 20 (800MHz)
Band 3 (1800 MHz)
Band 7 (2600 MHz)
Hutchison 3 Sweden 800 20 FDD
Hutchison 3 Sweden 2600 7 FDD
Hutchison 3 Sweden 2600 38 TDD
Net4Mobility Sweden 800 20 FDD
Net4Mobility Sweden 2600 7 FDD
Telia Sweden 800 20 FDD
Telia Sweden 1800 3 FDD
Telia Sweden 2600 7 FDD
If you want to know if your sim actually is working with an 3G or 4G network i use a simple apps called Open Signal
Open signal tell you what signal your SIM is working and also the cell number and position where it is connected
If give to you UMTS (3g) mean your SIM / Phone are not able to recognize LTE signal

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ramsesxv said:
You don't need any key for check frequency in Europe almost every privider use same frequency
Band 20 (800MHz)
Band 3 (1800 MHz)
Band 7 (2600 MHz)
Hutchison 3 Sweden 800 20 FDD
Hutchison 3 Sweden 2600 7 FDD
Hutchison 3 Sweden 2600 38 TDD
Net4Mobility Sweden 800 20 FDD
Net4Mobility Sweden 2600 7 FDD
Telia Sweden 800 20 FDD
Telia Sweden 1800 3 FDD
Telia Sweden 2600 7 FDD
If you want to know if your sim actually is working with an 3G or 4G network i use a simple apps called Open Signal
Open signal tell you what signal your SIM is working and also the cell number and position where it is connected
If give to you UMTS (3g) mean your SIM / Phone are not able to recognize LTE signal
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thx, I'm gonna test that one
bbl with and answer....