Hello,
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You can see my problem here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50558312&postcount=152
I was only getting about 3h 45m @3%
Now you can see that I got 3h 47m @51% (Very Happy)
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When I was @9% , my screen time was 7h
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That's nearly twice my old results
Now, I'll talk about what I did...
It's all about calibrating my battery
I knew that my battery needs to be calibrated when I had these symptoms:
1- I was able to get a full charge in about 2h 9m (Now it takes up about 3h 30m)
2- I could use my tablet for about 2 hours while I was stuck at 1% !! (see the post mentioned in the intro)
3- When I play any game while I'm below 50% of battery, it simply jump by big values, sometimes it reaches 15% suddenly and I get the recharge message
4- My tablet was new, and I couldn't get more than 4 hours while others could get about 7-9 hours!!
What I did:
1- Fully discharged my battery, I stayed for about 2 hours playing movies, the tablet turned off, then I could run it again and still see 1%... did it again until one time it turned off immediately after running it (I saw that battery was 0%, it was the first time to see that)
2- Did a fully continuous charge and didn't unplug it
3- Installed Battery Calibration app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration
4- Unplugged AC, then clicked "Battery Calibration"
5- Fully discharged the battery (didn't use any draining apps, just normal use)
It was about the same result
6- I disabled all of the battery saver apps (even Greenify) except Bataria (It really makes difference for me)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jappka.bataria
I also installed Lux Auto Brightness
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vito.lux
Finally I've installed 2x Battery later, I'll report the results back soon:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.a0soft.gphone.aDataOnOff
6- After 2 fully charging and discharging, my battery life was about the double
And that was after the first cycle:
It improved on the next one and I got 7h
Good luck everyone
What is the Virsion of your device ?
is it wifi only (n 5110) Or 3G wifi ( n 5100).
Thank you
am2010r said:
What is the Virsion of your device ?
is it wifi only (n 5110) Or 3G wifi ( n 5100).
Thank you
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N5110.....
n5100
AhmadLight said:
Hello,
Introduction
You can see my problem here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50558312&postcount=152
I was only getting about 3h 45m @3%
Now you can see that I got 3h 47m @51% (Very Happy)
Screenshots:
Before:
After:
When I was @9% , my screen time was 7h
Screenshots:
That's nearly twice my old results
Now, I'll talk about what I did...
It's all about calibrating my battery
I knew that my battery needs to be calibrated when I had these symptoms:
1- I was able to get a full charge in about 2h 9m (Now it takes up about 3h 30m)
2- I could use my tablet for about 2 hours while I was stuck at 1% !! (see the post mentioned in the intro)
3- When I play any game while I'm below 50% of battery, it simply jump by big values, sometimes it reaches 15% suddenly and I get the recharge message
4- My tablet was new, and I couldn't get more than 4 hours while others could get about 7-9 hours!!
What I did:
1- Fully discharged my battery, I stayed for about 2 hours playing movies, the tablet turned off, then I could run it again and still see 1%... did it again until one time it turned off immediately after running it (I saw that battery was 0%, it was the first time to see that)
2- Did a fully continuous charge and didn't unplug it
3- Installed Battery Calibration app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration
4- Unplugged AC, then clicked "Battery Calibration"
5- Fully discharged the battery (didn't use any draining apps, just normal use)
It was about the same result
6- I disabled all of the battery saver apps (even Greenify) except Bataria (It really makes difference for me)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jappka.bataria
I also installed Lux Auto Brightness
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vito.lux
Finally I've installed 2x Battery later, I'll report the results back soon:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.a0soft.gphone.aDataOnOff
6- After 2 fully charging and discharging, my battery life was about the double
And that was after the first cycle:
It improved on the next one and I got 7h
Good luck everyone
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hay i know that trick bro...........my device n5100 on 3g give 8:20 hours of screen on time...
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hay i know that trick bro...........my device n5100 on 3g give 8:20 hours of screen on time...
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That's Great :good:
Thanks for sharing, but I think the info is partially inaccurate.
Lithium-ion batteries do need calibration (http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/battery_calibration), and thank you for pointing out that it's convenient to do it after flashing a new ROM, I didn't know that, so thanks again
The app you linked has the following in its description:
"Calibration needs to be done after flashing a new ROM, but you can calibrate any time you think your battery is miscalibrated. This program does it by removing the batterystats.bin system file."
There's evidence on XDA stating that the batterystats.bin has nothing to do with battery calibration, and the source of such evidence comes from Dianne Hackborn, Android developer for Google. The thread I linked is not the only one reporting that.
So it seems to me that yes, you do need recalibration from time to time (I'm going to do it soon), but no, you don't need to do all that, in fact it would be enough to fully discharge and recharge the device.
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Thanks for sharing, but I think the info is partially inaccurate.
Lithium-ion batteries do need calibration (http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/battery_calibration), and thank you for pointing out that it's convenient to do it after flashing a new ROM, I didn't know that, so thanks again
The app you linked has the following in its description:
"Calibration needs to be done after flashing a new ROM, but you can calibrate any time you think your battery is miscalibrated. This program does it by removing the batterystats.bin system file."
There's evidence on XDA stating that the batterystats.bin has nothing to do with battery calibration, and the source of such evidence comes from Dianne Hackborn, Android developer for Google. The thread I linked is not the only one reporting that.
So it seems to me that yes, you do need recalibration from time to time (I'm going to do it soon), but no, you don't need to do all that, in fact it would be enough to fully discharge and recharge the device.
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Thanks for the information ...
hmmmmmmmmmm, I don't know what to say,
I just shared what I done accompanied with my results... every single thing that I did
At least that worked for me and I see that my battery gets better now (I'm able to play games without seeing my battery drain insanely)
AhmadLight said:
Thanks for the information ...
hmmmmmmmmmm, I don't know what to say,
I just shared what I done accompanied with my results... every single thing that I did
At least that worked for me and I see that my battery gets better now (I'm able to play games without seeing my battery drain insanely)
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I'm not questioning the fact that it worked, but the number of required steps. It doesn't look (to me) like you're doing something wrong, but it rather looks (to me) like you're doing something unnecessary. However that's just my opinion, the final proof would only be obtained by trying each combination of steps on multiple devices and ain't nobody got time for that.
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I'm not questioning the fact that it worked, but the number of required steps. It doesn't look (to me) like you're doing something wrong, but it rather looks (to me) like you're doing something unnecessary. However that's just my opinion, the final proof would only be obtained by trying each combination of steps on multiple devices and ain't nobody got time for that.
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What I know about the batterystats.bin is that it stores data about your battery consumption, right?
When I was getting 4h when my battery hits 5%, I could get another 2 hours stuck at 1% (as mentioned)
Don't you think that may helped to store more accurate data about what the battery is capable of?
Or maybe when I removed the stats file and drained my battery normally for the first time without heavy usage also helped giving better data?
I'm just trying to figure it out somehow
AhmadLight said:
What I know about the batterystats.bin is that it stores data about your battery consumption, right?
When I was getting 4h when my battery hits 5%, I could get another 2 hours stuck at 1% (as mentioned)
Don't you think that may helped to store more accurate data about what the battery is capable of?
Or maybe when I removed the stats file and drained my battery normally for the first time without heavy usage also helped giving better data?
I'm just trying to figure it out somehow
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I think what helped you was battery recalibration, which was obtained by draining it completely and then fully recharging.
"Batterystats.bin" stores the data that's shown in the "Battery" section of the settings and gets wiped every time charge gets to 100%, so an app that deletes might not be bad, but rather pointless. The data collected in batterystats.bin is different from the information about the charge of the battery, which is the one that was affecting you.
bradipovsky said:
I think what helped you was battery recalibration, which was obtained by draining it completely and then fully recharging.
"Batterystats.bin" stores the data that's shown in the "Battery" section of the settings and gets wiped every time charge gets to 100%, so an app that deletes might not be bad, but rather pointless. The data collected in batterystats.bin is different from the information about the charge of the battery, which is the one that was affecting you.
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HA this is funny... Now that I read this. Unfortunately I do not have a link, but you can google for it.
Google states that resetting or calibrating the battery performance on Android does not work any better than leaving it alone.
Google: Battery Status Resetting Google. I am sure you will find it.
It is possible that your media was the issue. All you had to do is use Battery in the system to verify what activities were draining before and after.
I have a thorough thread on battery drain in the Q&A section. Take note, I did not recommend doing any battery optimization or resetting.
If any thing allowing the battery to drain down to 20% before charging to 100% should be good enough to allow the system to properly adjust for charge and discharge time.
gooberdude said:
HA this is funny... Now that I read this. Unfortunately I do not have a link, but you can google for it.
Google states that resetting or calibrating the battery performance on Android does not work any better than leaving it alone.
Google: Battery Status Resetting Google. I am sure you will find it.
It is possible that your media was the issue. All you had to do is use Battery in the system to verify what activities were draining before and after.
I have a thorough thread on battery drain in the Q&A section. Take note, I did not recommend doing any battery optimization or resetting.
If any thing allowing the battery to drain down to 20% before charging to 100% should be good enough to allow the system to properly adjust for charge and discharge time.
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What part do you find find in particular? Anyway, I read that every once in a while (once in more than 3 months) Li-ion batteries should be recalibrated, whether they power an Android device or a toaster. Meanwhile, it is wrong for the battery to discharge it completely every single time: it is better to do 20% wide cycles.
My main source is http://batteryuniversity.com/, but I found the same things over and over again in multiple places. I'm aware it might as well mean nothing, but one's got to believe in something
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What part do you find find in particular? Anyway, I read that every once in a while (once in more than 3 months) Li-ion batteries should be recalibrated, whether they power an Android device or a toaster. Meanwhile, it is wrong for the battery to discharge it completely every single time: it is better to do 20% wide cycles.
My main source is http://batteryuniversity.com/, but I found the same things over and over again in multiple places. I'm aware it might as well mean nothing, but one's got to believe in something
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Ok, what was funny is everyone wants to think the battery is so problematic. Have older devices with Li Ion batteries, and the only issue I have is how the device may lock the usb until shutdown. I wait a minute after full power down before connecting a USB charge cable. As for charging when the device is on, I leave the device connected to the charger when powering on.
Google developed Android and its features to monitor battery charge / discharge state. I will look for you the article from Google about such things as using apps to tune battery or clearing the battery log.
Here is some reading for you on the the xda site... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2170039
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Here is some reading for you on the the xda site... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2170039
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That says that wiping battery stats (=deleting batterystats.bin) does not affect the battery life and that it doesn't help recalibrating the battery, because in fact the file batterystats.bin gets automatically deleted every time the charge percentage gets near 100% (it does not even need to reach it), and it only has to do with the battery usage stats in the settings app. I repeated that a number of times already.
In other words: that thread says that wiping battery stats to get more battery life is a myth, which is the same thing that I said earlier, quoting the same Google engineer. Recalibration of any Li-ion battery is a whole other thing.
gooberdude said:
Ok, what was funny is everyone wants to think the battery is so problematic. Have older devices with Li Ion batteries, and the only issue I have is how the device may lock the usb until shutdown. I wait a minute after full power down before connecting a USB charge cable. As for charging when the device is on, I leave the device connected to the charger when powering on.
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Appearently some Note 8's batteries are problematic: it's not normal for it to last hours at 2%.
gooberdude said:
Google developed Android and its features to monitor battery charge / discharge state. I will look for you the article from Google about such things as using apps to tune battery or clearing the battery log.
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I believe (I'm not sure, I didn't spend days studying this) that the deepest battery monitoring is up to the battery itself: it's the battery that tells its charge percentage to the device, therefore Google has little to do with it. Recalibrating is something "deeper" than the OS, or at least that's what I understood...
Moreover, "standard" miscalibration normally accounts for some 2-5%, not hours of charge as in the OP's case (I hope it's not "our" case...), so that's why many people had never had any trouble with it.
Anyway, please mind that everything I say comes from superficial reading and experience, I didn't study the matter.
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Hi.
Because of huge battery drain (with only receiving approx 30 SMS, 10 minutes incoming calls, no work, device OFF on night, and always with display off) it lasts only max 2 days (except night!) I am searching a way how to save the battery. First of all I wanted to downclock the CPU. 528MHz is too much for my use. Only app, which seems to work for me is nueClockControl. However it should support the command line parameter, I was unavailable to do it.
When I create a shortcut with "\Windows\nueClockControl.exe 5", it does not work. The Nr. 5 means a CPU level, which corresponds to 256MHz, which is sufficient for my needs.
So I have to downclock it manualy after every boot up. The nueDynamiClockControl does not seem to work for me. Instalation pass OK, after boot up, there was its process running, but the CPU speed (checked via nueClockControl) was still 528MHz. I was even unable to find the program in start menu - I dont know, how to change its settigs. When I start it manuly from windows directory, nothing happens.
Moreover I tried the BatteryStatus, showing CPU speed (and more) on Today screen. But it shows 553MHz instead of 528!!! Dont understand.
So finaly my question: Is it possible to automaticaly or manualy via link downclock the CPU speed?
Thank you for reading my long long text
I read somewhere on this forum that over/down clocking is not avaible in topaz.
Topaz won't work well on nueDynamicClock...
I installed this before and it drain very fast on media playback...
So I hard resetted and keep this soft away... and the phone act normal again...
2.5hr of audio/video, 5-6 SMS, 15mins call, wifi 35mins, play here play there... this thing can survive 1.5 day (100% to 30%) before reach for charger...
Doesn't the CPU have several power states anyway? It would surely only use full speed (528MHz) when needed, most of the time it would be idling at a lower speed. So, even if you could "underclock" it, it wouldn't make much difference.
Pete_S said:
Doesn't the CPU have several power states anyway? It would surely only use full speed (528MHz) when needed, most of the time it would be idling at a lower speed. So, even if you could "underclock" it, it wouldn't make much difference.
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If it has its own pover management, it does not work. I use my device very very abstemious. Yesterday evening it was fully charged. I did not turn it off during night (used it as a alarm-clock) only the phone-radio was off of course.
During the day I received and deleted about 20 SMS. Received 3 calls which last together 5 minutes. And one instalation of application. Its about another let say 5 minutes including settings of the application installed. Now I have only 33% of battery. So in the evening, about 24 hours after full charge, it will be dead again. So even if I dont use my PDA as normaly a user should, it can hold only ONE day max.
Pretty ****ty machine
And if I try ROM with 6.1, warranty void...great
I worry to touch it, to keeps its battery alive, if my wife or children need to call me.
And if I try ROM with 6.1, warranty void...great
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You should be able to try a 6.1 ROM after HSPL using OliNex 1.83. Take a note of your present ROM first, and check it's on the list here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Topaz_ROMs_Shipped. Then, if it doesn't work out you can reflash your old ROM and restore the bootloader code back to the original using the OliNex SPL relocker.
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You should be able to try a 6.1 ROM after HSPL using OliNex 1.83. Take a note of your present ROM first, and check it's on the list here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Topaz_ROMs_Shipped. Then, if it doesn't work out you can reflash your old ROM and restore the bootloader code back to the original using the OliNex SPL relocker.
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I flashed with Topaz ESSentiaL V2.F. But have no GPS
Tomtom7 nor Visual GPS can not find GPS. Set it to COM4, baud 57000. Still nothing
I flashed with Topaz ESSentiaL V2.F. But have no GPS
Tomtom7 nor Visual GPS can not find GPS. Set it to COM4, baud 57000. Still nothing
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That's the same ROM I use, it's very good, lean and quick, not many bugs. I can't understand the GPS problem. My GPS is very slow from a "cold start" (10mins+), it appears to not work, but it does eventually, & it's been the same for all ROMs I've tried.
You might try a hard reset, there's a recent thread which suggests this is helpful after a ROM change, though I've never needed it myself.
Try the app HTC GPS Tool, it provides quite a lot of technical information, including the data stream from the GPS receiver. You have to keep selecting "Q7200" as GPS though, it keeps defaulting to "SIRF" when launched.
maybe you could also try update your radio rom, this may help your GPS problem and also could improve your battery problems
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That's the same ROM I use, it's very good, lean and quick, not many bugs. I can't understand the GPS problem. My GPS is very slow from a "cold start" (10mins+), it appears to not work, but it does eventually, & it's been the same for all ROMs I've tried.
You might try a hard reset, there's a recent thread which suggests this is helpful after a ROM change, though I've never needed it myself.
Try the app HTC GPS Tool, it provides quite a lot of technical information, including the data stream from the GPS receiver. You have to keep selecting "Q7200" as GPS though, it keeps defaulting to "SIRF" when launched.
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Yes, I had to do the Hard Reset (even if I did it after flashing and first boot), now it works with no problem. It works even immedieately just after the boot.
Yes, I had to do the Hard Reset (even if I did it after flashing and first boot), now it works with no problem. It works even immedieately just after the boot.
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great news!
I'd be interested to hear whether your battery life is better now
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Pete_S said:
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I'd be interested to hear whether your battery life is better now
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Will test it. Started to work (customize new WIN and application) this morning. Fully charged and after hard reset. I playd with it whole forenoon and now I got 46%. Do not if it is a worse or better, because I used it realy intensive. Now I have it fully customized to me needs, so no "hard work" on it will continue. After the battery drops so the device will be unable to even boot, I will charge fully the battery. Then I will see, how long will it last.
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After the battery drops so the device will be unable to even boot, I will charge fully the battery. Then I will see, how long will it last.
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You will ruin your battery doing this!
How do you treat the phone as far as charging goes generally?
You will ruin your battery doing this!
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It shouldn't ruin it, the battery has built in discharge protection, you can't discharge it completely to the extent that it would harm it.
It's quite good to completely drain it sometimes to allow proper calibration of the battery meter. I wouldn't do it regularly, though, as I believe LiIon or LiPolymer cells last longest when recharged before they run down completely.
Pete_S said:
It shouldn't ruin it, the battery has built in discharge protection, you can't discharge it completely to the extent that it would harm it.
It's quite good to completely drain it sometimes to allow proper calibration of the battery meter. I wouldn't do it regularly, though, as I believe LiIon or LiPolymer cells last longest when recharged before they run down completely.
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Sorry to say this but you are completely wrong.
You can most definitely harm it.
Calibration, discharging or cycling of any sort impedes the chemical properties of Lithium Ion batteries (as well as Lithium Polymer) and believe me it's not my opinion, it's fact.
The cutoff circuits are for safety protection not to assist in correct maintenance or charging usage.
There is only one way to treat them and that is to charge them as often and for as long as possible. Never switch them off. They really do like being treated that way.
If this is nor done from day one they will never achieve their max capacity potential. Any constant usage at levels below max will shorten their useful life.
Lithium chemistry has a finite shelf life anyway and they are dieing from the moment they are manufactured. They are designed to be used in this way and you won't see max levels for may be a couple of weeks after first charge.
The cutoff circuits are for safety protection not to assist in correct maintenance or charging usage.
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Actually, yes, you're right, I wasn't thinking. I meant to say the cut-off mechanism in the device itself in conjunction with the electronics inside the battery which report the voltage to the device should together protect the battery from serious damage.
Otherwise, what's the point? Everyone will accidentally let their device run down to automatic switch-off occasionally; it happens. And it shouldn't trash the battery if promptly recharged. As a benefit, the meter will be more accurate next time round.
There is only one way to treat them and that is to charge them as often and for as long as possible. Never switch them off. They really do like being treated that way.
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The only downside of charging more frequently than necessary is more heat, which Lithium cells don't like, it's another life shortener. Other than that, I agree, there's no "memory effect", so it shouldn't matter what your charging routine is, although some sources say Lithium cells last best if not kept continually fully charged, but rather around 50-60%.
Lithium chemistry has a finite shelf life anyway and they are dieing from the moment they are manufactured.
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Agreed. And not widely known, otherwise people wouldn't buy "bargains" which have been in stock or a shop window for 2 years.
Well, to make this clear. I did this battery format (or calibration) twice. When the phone was brand new. Just to make sure, I have the full capacity. I guess, that my problem is the phone power compsumtion. When its suspended and home screen (battery plus) is shown, and spbsheel running on background, the power drain is 83 mA/h. This is shown immediately when power button is pressed and display lit up. So the display powering is not counted in this 83mA/h.
I guess this is too much for Topaz ESSentiaL V2.F, isnt it?
WIFI, gps, and bluetooth was off, only phone on.
I think you need to do some careful tests to find out whether anything is faulty. Such as checking how much the battery level decreases overnight, first with everything including the phone module off ("flight mode"), the next with just the phone module enabled. With everything off, you should only lose 2-3% max overnight. If it's more than this, either some app you installed is repeatedly "waking it" from suspend without your knowledge, or the device or battery is faulty.
Even with the phone radio left on overnight, you shouldn't lose a lot more. I leave phone and bluetooth enabled, and only lose 6-7%.
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I think you need to do some careful tests to find out whether anything is faulty. Such as checking how much the battery level decreases overnight, first with everything including the phone module off ("flight mode"), the next with just the phone module enabled. With everything off, you should only lose 2-3% max overnight. If it's more than this, either some app you installed is repeatedly "waking it" from suspend without your knowledge, or the device or battery is faulty.
Even with the phone radio left on overnight, you shouldn't lose a lot more. I leave phone and bluetooth enabled, and only lose 6-7%.
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Thank you for good point, I will turn the phone off over night (other modules are off always unless I need them). And will see, how much it will drop.
Isnt the "flight mode" the same as simply all radios OFF?
I dont use GPRS (CDMA, HSPDA, WIFI, GPS ...)
Well, the night pasts and I am very very confused. I left the PDA at 21:15 with all radios OFF and 12% of battery level. Now its morning 07:15, so that is 10 hours of iddle...and the battery level is 12% !!! Did not loose a bit. So does it mean, that the phone (ON during the day) drains so rapidly battery?
As I read the forum I tought, I have the best radio so far for Europe (Czech Republic).
My Radio: 4.49.25.17
Any suggestion?
Hi everyone,
I have had my Galaxy S for a month now, I have been very unhappy with my battery life, so I thought, I gotta to fix without compromising perfomance.
I found it!
My battery life during this 1 month period was utter crap, battery used drained from 100% in about 10-12 hours on average.
At the time I was running the latest FWs (I kept updating as the FWs came out) with Mimocans EXT4 fix.
I was with lowest brightness setting, running on 2G without any screen animations.
So heres the fix:
Install SetCPU 2.02, make sure to apply on boot, make the minimum speed 100mhz and the top 800mhz.
This ensures the phone doesn't ever go to 1ghz but that the performance is never compromised (even when playing games, videos, apps).
Because I have the Mimocans fix, everything is smooth and battery life goes down very slowly!
Heres the stats of my battery right now:
Battery Level 70%
21h 40m 25s secs since unplugged
Display 37%
Phone Idle 27%
Cell standby 21%
Voice calls 7%
Android System 4%
Internet 2%
Android OS 2%
You can give this guide a go, sorry if it doesn't work, just trying to help.
Regards,
Azazin!
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Hi everyone,
I have had my Galaxy S for a month now, I have been very unhappy with my battery life, so I thought, I gotta to fix without compromising perfomance.
I found it!
My battery life during this 1 month period was utter crap, battery used drained from 100% in about 10-12 hours on average.
At the time I was running the latest FWs (I kept updating as the FWs came out) with Mimocans EXT4 fix.
I was with lowest brightness setting, running on 2G without any screen animations.
So heres the fix:
Install SetCPU 2.02, make sure to apply on boot, make the minimum speed 100mhz and the top 800mhz.
This ensures the phone doesn't ever go to 1ghz but that the performance is never compromised (even when playing games, videos, apps).
Because I have the Mimocans fix, everything is smooth and battery life goes down very slowly!
Heres the stats of my battery right now:
Battery Level 70%
21h 40m 25s secs since unplugged
Display 37%
Phone Idle 27%
Cell standby 21%
Voice calls 7%
Android System 4%
Internet 2%
Android OS 2%
You can give this guide a go, sorry if it doesn't work, just trying to help.
Regards,
Azazin!
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Please update with display time, phone idle time, standby time and voice call time. Without it these are a bit useless, these don't seem far from my stats when I use the display for +/- 1 hour.
alovell83 said:
Please update with display time, phone idle time, standby time and voice call time. Without it these are a bit useless, these don't seem far from my stats when I use the display for +/- 1 hour.
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I have the percentages up in the OP.
This guide isn't just for turning crap battery life to good, it's also for people to extend their battery life if they already have a decent one.
Following the underclock to 800mhz my phone can last this long, compared to before when it used to last 10-12 hours with same usage!
azazin said:
I have the percentages up in the OP.
This guide isn't just for turning crap battery life to good, it's also for people to extend their battery life if they already have a decent one.
Following the underclock to 800mhz my phone can last this long, compared to before when it used to last 10-12 hours with same usage!
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The percentages stand out, thanks, I saw them. Again, they are a bit meaningless without the time used. If you don't use your phone for 24 hours you should lose maybe 5% with sync off.
So, please, click on "display" and report the time that the display has been on, repeat for the other usage categories, other people will ask for this same information. I don't know if you didn't know how to do that or if you are witholding the information, hopefully it's just the former. I understand that, perhaps, you are doubling your battery life, but depending on the way we use our phones, relative to the way you use your phone we can see better or worse results. Doing this will allow us to know how much you use your phone and for what purpose, so we can make personal judgments about its merits to our usage.
TIA
This may fix the issue but it's merely a patch to cover up the wound. From my experiments I've found that in most cases the problems are related to the phone never entering sleep-mode. If you have bad battery life, please do the following:
0. Make sure you phone has been running on battery power for a while, usually a day with only 20% battery left is a good place.
1. Type *#*#4636#*#*
2. Go to Battery History
3. Other usage and "Since last unplugged"
4. Check the "Running" bar. Generally, if this is over 60% something is wrong.
5. Go to partial wake
6. Check if there's some application (e.g. Facebook) that has a high partial wake percentage. This is bad. System should be on top on most systems.
So, do you have the signs of something being wrong? Fear not! Usually this is due to a program or service misbehaving. I had bismal battery life (about 15 hours, just check the other thread for several of my posts), and then I uninstalled "Weather from Yr". I also let my phone discharge completely, then charge TURNED OFF over night. I then disabled auto brightness and "power saving" in the display. Yes, I disabled the power saving feature, and my battery life went sky high. Now I have about 2 days of moderate use (1h 30 min on) and about 1 day with heavy use. Letting any application run while the screen is off using partial wake KILLS my battery.
Unfortunatley, I didn't follow proper scientific approach when conducting my experiments, so I can't say which of the three things (uninstall weather from yr, complete discharge/charge cycle or turning off power saving) that did it for me, but it's worth a shot if you haven't rooted your phone. Post back with results.
alovell83 said:
The percentages stand out, thanks, I saw them. Again, they are a bit meaningless without the time used. If you don't use your phone for 24 hours you should lose maybe 5% with sync off.
So, please, click on "display" and report the time that the display has been on, repeat for the other usage categories, other people will ask for this same information. I don't know if you didn't know how to do that or if you are witholding the information, hopefully it's just the former. I understand that, perhaps, you are doubling your battery life, but depending on the way we use our phones, relative to the way you use your phone we can see better or worse results. Doing this will allow us to know how much you use your phone and for what purpose, so we can make personal judgments about its merits to our usage.
TIA
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Hi,
Oh okay lol, no problem.
Display: 1h 22m 8s.
Phone idle: 20h 51m 22s
Cell standby: 12h 12m 52s
It doesn't look like I have used it much but during the time the display has been on, I have either been:
Playing games,
Texting,
Twitter,
Or Internet.
It doesn't look like much, but I recommend you try this and post results before and after
dagingaa said:
This may fix the issue but it's merely a patch to cover up the wound. From my experiments I've found that in most cases the problems are related to the phone never entering sleep-mode. If you have bad battery life, please do the following:
0. Make sure you phone has been running on battery power for a while, usually a day with only 20% battery left is a good place.
1. Type *#*#4636#*#*
2. Go to Battery History
3. Other usage and "Since last unplugged"
4. Check the "Running" bar. Generally, if this is over 60% something is wrong.
5. Go to partial wake
6. Check if there's some application (e.g. Facebook) that has a high partial wake percentage. This is bad. System should be on top on most systems.
So, do you have the signs of something being wrong? Fear not! Usually this is due to a program or service misbehaving. I had bismal battery life (about 15 hours, just check the other thread for several of my posts), and then I uninstalled "Weather from Yr". I also let my phone discharge completely, then charge TURNED OFF over night. I then disabled auto brightness and "power saving" in the display. Yes, I disabled the power saving feature, and my battery life went sky high. Now I have about 2 days of moderate use (1h 30 min on) and about 1 day with heavy use. Letting any application run while the screen is off using partial wake KILLS my battery.
Unfortunatley, I didn't follow proper scientific approach when conducting my experiments, so I can't say which of the three things (uninstall weather from yr, complete discharge/charge cycle or turning off power saving) that did it for me, but it's worth a shot if you haven't rooted your phone. Post back with results.
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2 things:
1) the phone number thing is pretty cool, in the past I've used "Spare Parts" for identical and a bit more information. I encourage people to use one or the other.
2) You can still fix the unscientific nature of your experiment by a factor of 1/3. You can turn power saving back on, and I'll try it. Also, I'll assume that 1 charge wouldn't make a world of difference, so I think that could've added a few minutes to your phone life (more than charging with the phone on) but maybe someone with actual technical knowledge can chime in.
As for any program running in the background, I had a similar situation where I was going from losing about 30% in a day, similar to the OP, while using the phone, and hence the display, for about an hour at work. I also, always preferred to leave the phone off the charger overnight, so I'd have been unplugged for 16+ hours. One day I allowed 3 things to run to check both battery and 3G usage (I have 500mb per month until I decide to change my plan, probably waiting for the new deal thats been announced for unlimited data for an extra 10 bucks sometime this month). So, I ran:
Sync
3G data monitor (To test if I would go over what I'd use too much data from my allotment, refresh every 30 mins IIRC)
ATK (to kill tasks, hoping they'd use less of my precious bandwidth)
This 2 tasks plus sync just CRUSHED my battery, by the first time I turned on the screen I saw more than 50% drain from my battery, probably around lunchtime (probably 3.5 hours from the start of work). I turned off all 3 and, like you, I haven't conducted a scientific experiment since.
I tried something similar with overclock widget, but I had the impression that underclocking made the SGS really unstable. It freezed completely like 3-4 times a day. After uninstalling overclockwidget the device didn't crash anymore.
So how are the longterm effects (say, 1 week) of setcpu?
If anything I'd OC my phone, not the other way around.
XQC said:
I tried something similar with overclock widget, but I had the impression that underclocking made the SGS really unstable. It freezed completely like 3-4 times a day. After uninstalling overclockwidget the device didn't crash anymore.
So how are the longterm effects (say, 1 week) of setcpu?
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The software probably isn't optimized for your usage scenario, I don't think an underclock, if done right, should be that bad, OC on the other hand...
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If anything I'd OC my phone, not the other way around.
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I'm in the same boat, screen uses 80%+ of battery when the screen is on, as long as I'm not wasting battery when the screen is off and processes aren't running I have excess battery life, not to mention a spare battery, which I'd like to get more use out of if I could better my experience.
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crap battery life
Standart disclaimer: I am not responsible if you break things by following this guide, though I will be genuinely surprised if you do.
Credits: This fix is a combination of battery management techniques discussed in the Atrix forums + a technique that I originally found in a Milestone forum (I didn't invent it, but I am too lazy to search who originally posted it ).
This worked in fixing the problem for me (the same problem that I see many others are writing about on the forums), but I can't guarantee it will work for you.
Who should use this? (aka your battery problem symptoms are
1. Battery life on 2.3.4 is significantly worse for you than before.
2. Battery stats are jumping and showing inconsistent information.
3. Your phone loses 30%-60% just by sitting there overnight.
4. Phone idle draining 30%-60% of battery just by sitting there overnight.
5. After flashing a couple of roms, your battery stats got messed up and the phone thinks it's at 100% charge while it's not.
I personally started having battery problems after flashing a couple of roms, applying 1% battery mod and despite flashing jug6ernaut's CWM battery fix.
When I went to bed with a 100% charge, I would wake up to a 50% charge, with Phone Idle process showing up as massacring the battery. The steps below successfully fixed the problem for me.
Prerequisites:
1. Atrix on one of the rooted 2.3.4 roms (ideally,- deodexed and with unlocked CWM)
2. Wall Charger
3. jug6ernaut's CWM battery fix (put it on your SD card you will need it later!) I have also attached it to this post.
4. Battery Calibration app from the market
5. Watchdog Lite or Full from the market
Instructions:
It's best to complete this procedure in the evening before going to bed, so you can leave it at 100% overnight and check in the morning if the drainage issue is fixed!!!
The whole procedure along with recalibration might take up to 5-6 hours!
1. Take the case off your Atrix (one of the latter steps involves taking the battery out from the phone while it's plugged in. Make sure your case won't stand in the way.)
2. Install Battery Calibration app from the market
3. Plug in your Atrix to charge while it's on, wait till it gets to a 100%
4. When the charge is 100%, open the BatteryCalibration app and lookup what the charge is in MV while at 100%. (Explanatory pic, needed number circled in red). Write it down.
My Atrix was showing ~3400MV while at 100%, which is definitely not the maximum capacity.
5. Discharge your Atrix completely until it shuts off.
A good way of doing this quickly is by turning on wifi, and a video player.
6. Without turning on the phone plug it into a wall charger and let it get to 100%
7. When it's at 100%, without unplugging it from the wall charger, take off the battery cover, and take the battery out.
Your phone will "reboot" and show a Missing Battery icon.
8. Without unplugging the phone from the wall charger or turning it on, put the battery back in and wait until the phone recognizes the battery.
9. Your battery should now be recognized by the phone, and showing a charge % significantly lower than 100%.
Mine showed only 5%. Back when I used a Milestone, it usually showed 60% after doing this.
10. Let it sit there charging for 2-3 hours.
My phone wouldn't charge past 10%, but yours might. The numbers don't matter much as the phone is definitely getting additional charge that could have been lost while flashing ROMs, etc.
11. After 2-3 hours, turn the phone on while holding the volume down button and get into CWM.
Do not disconnect it from the charger still!
12. Install jug6ernaut's CWM battery fix (even if you had it installed before), do not reboot yet.
Do not disconnect it from the charger still!
13. Wipe battery stats in CWM, reboot.
Do not disconnect it from the charger still!
14. When the phone turns on, go into BatteryCalibration app again and look up your MV numbers
- if you were like me, they should be significantly higher than before. After this whole process I had 4200MV at 100%, comparing to 3400MV before calibration.
Do not disconnect it from the charger still!
15. Before going to sleep - Install Watchdog from the market. Go into it's preferences, set CPU threshhold to 20%, check "Include phone processes", check "Monitor phone processes", check "Display all phone processes", set system CPU threshhold to 20% as well.
Do not disconnect it from the charger still!
16. Make sure your wifi and data connections are off. Now finally unplug the phone from the charger.
Go to bed, let your phone sleep too.
17. Success! Next morning check where your battery % is at and if you followed the instructions correctly / got lucky like me, your battery life should be 90% or more.
I went to bed with 98% and woke up to 94%. So, I consider this mission a success.
(Your general battery capacity should have increased, even if something still was draining the battery, you will be able to find the infringing process in WatchDog with the settings we've set up in step 15 )
That's all folks! Please report your success / lack of such here. Also, feel free to ask questions, and I along with other users with answer them according to our ability.
I will later add a section on "good practices for battery usage" with tips and tricks.
Cheers!
Attached are screenshots of my results after calibration: This was under moderate usage. Pretty damn good if you ask me.
Post-calibration methods of improving Battery Life
Updated: Post#2 will explain how to solve battery drainage problems when recalibration wasn't enough. It will also explain how battery reporting works, common practices, tips, tricks, etc.
Battery Tips / Tricks / Common Practices
Important things to know:
1. It's important to understand how battery indicator on Android works and how Android manages / reports your battery life. Please read this article:
Your Smartphone’s Battery Gauge is Lying to You (and it’s not such a bad thing)
http://phandroid.com/2010/12/25/you...is-lying-to-you-and-its-not-such-a-bad-thing/
2. Li-ion batteries used in modern smartphones don't have "charge memory". Partial charges won't hurt the battery (e.g. charging from 60% to 80% or from 10% to 50% etc). Feel free to give your phone small charges whenever you have time and need the phone to last longer.
3. Smartphone batteries don't like to be completely discharged or to be kept at 100% capacity for extended periods of time (this actually damages batteries over time). But worry not, the battery software prevents this from happening for you. That's why some of your phones never get to 100% or drop from 100% to 90% minutes after you disconnct the phone from a charger.
4. All batteries gradually lose a small percentage of their capacity after a certain amount of charge cycles. It's a natural part of life. It's always nice to have a spare battery or to purchase a replacement when your current battery isn't to the task anymore.
5. Don't pay much attention to the battery %, just use your phones. I know it's very tempting to track your battery usage every 15 minutes and try to find problems. Been there myself. Thing is, if you do this, you might start thinking you have problems, when you don't have any.
Bottom line - just try to use your phone and not mess with the battery unless problems become really apparent.
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Other proven ways to improve Battery Life
If you have re-calibrated to a full capacity (4200mv) but your battery still drains terribly - follow these steps to pin point the problem.
1. Find which app / process is draining the battery.
If you get lucky, the infringing app will show up directly under the stock "Battery Usage" statistics. However, in most cases "Battery Usage" isn't very informative. Most people report that they only see "Phone Idle" consuming most of the battery without much insight into the details.
Things to do:
- install Watchdog, go to preferences, set CPU threshhold to 20% (or even lower if it's not enough), check "Include phone processes", check "Monitor phone processes", check "Display all phone processes", set system CPU threshhold to 20%(or even lower if it's not enough) as well. Run it for a couple of days.
If you start getting frequent Watchdog notifications about a certain app breaching the threshold - uninstall it, find an alternative.
- install BetterBatteryStats from here -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809 run it for a couple of days and monitor apps / processes that are using up more wakelocks than they should.
Once you find the infringing app - uninstall it, if it's a process - find out if it's safe to stop / freeze before doing anything.
2. Freeze bloatware aka "stop the problem before it becomes a problem."
Unless you are running CM7, your rom is based on stock 2.3.4 and still has blur in it. Blur apps and processes might be running without you even using them and sucking out precious batter life while they are at it.
Things to do:
- Get TitaniumBackup, freeze all bloatware that is mentioned as "safe" in this thread -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1182663
Use your phone for a couple of days afterwards and watch for improvements.
If these software tweaks aren't enough, the problem might be with your system setup. Go through these steps which should hopefully fix your setup in favor of awesome battery life:
3. Flash a custom kernel, set up battery saving profiles.
Many people have reported success with this step. Custom kernels are not just for overclocking. A custom kernel with smart profiles will definitely give definitely extend your phones operating life during the day.
Things to do:
- Get a custom kernel., the popular choice on here seems to be faux'es kernel, so I recommend it -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1156040
Get one of the battery saving SetCpu profiles along with it. Basically, a good battery saving profile looks something like this:
- absolute minimum CPU clock with screen off (something like 275 Mhz)
- lowering CPU clock with temperature > 50C (something like ~800Mhz)
- lowering CPU clock when battery < 30% (something like ~800Mhz)
Many people reported success in using such profile for lowering "Phone Idle" drain.
4. Flash a different radio.
WARNING: Be extremely careful with this. Flashing a wrong radio is the right way to hard brick your phone.
Although some people are reporting to have fixed battery drainage by trying out a different radio, I seriously wouldn't recommend going on a flashing spree unless you know what you are doing.
My advice here: flash the latest 2.3.4 for your carrier if you haven't yet. From there on, experiment at your own risk.
5. Disable Data and Wifi when idle either manually or with an app."
I seriously get surprised every time someone says they have a horrible battery life, when they keep an internet connection on at all times. Constant data always = battery drain.
Things to do:
- use apps like Green Power to disable data / wifi for you when you are not using it
- learn to turn off your internet connection manually
6. If all else fails - start over from scratch (read: clean install a rom).
I've heard reports of people getting better life with Froyo than GB, or that a specific custom ROM solved their problem for them. A million dollar question: if it works for you, why not use it?
Things to do:
- try a ROM without blur, like CM7
- try Ninja Speed Freak (developer and many users reported great battery life)
- if battery life is your top concern - try Froyo
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FAQ
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... ask away!
Many thanks! Have pass about three days reading about the battery issues/solutions, and I was getting confused by so many info! Will try it tonight!
PS: Does the jug6ernaut's CWM battery fix works for the Orange 2.3.4 ?
eklam said:
Many thanks! Have pass about three days reading about the battery issues/solutions, and I was getting confused by so many info! Will try it tonight!
PS: Does the jug6ernaut's CWM battery fix works for the Orange 2.3.4 ?
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Are you using stock Orange 2.3.4 rom?
If yes, your Rom might not have the battery jumping problem. You can still use this guide without the battery fix to recalibrate.
Let's wait for someone with Orange 2.3.4 to confirm if jug6ernaut's CWM battery fix can be used or not.
Indeed, I have not the battery jump issue, but I'm exprimenting some weird behavior...
like when I restart the phone, it shows about 10% higher than before. I tried this multiples times yesterday. When it was about 40%, it starts to drop suddenly, 'till it got to 18% and get back to normal decrease to 4%, 2~3 hours later...
See the images attached, the red circles are the times I rebooted it and the blue arrow is when it drops suddenly...
Question on step 4. To confirm, we shouldn't click on anything in BatteryCalibration, all that needs to be done is take note on the MV number, correct?
eklam said:
Indeed, I have not the battery jump issue, but I'm exprimenting some weird behavior...
like when I restart the phone, it shows about 10% higher than before. I tried this multiples times yesterday. When it was about 40%, it starts to drop suddenly, 'till it got to 18% and get back to normal decrease to 4%, 2~3 hours later...
See the images attached, the red circles are the times I rebooted it and the blue arrow is when it drops suddenly...
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Did it only start doing this on 2.3.4 or you haven't checked before? Anyway, I would do the calibration to see if it changes anything.
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Question on step 4. To confirm, we shouldn't click on anything BatteryCalibration, all that needs to be done is take note on the MV number, correct?
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No clicking in step 4. Just write down or remember the MV number.
Yes it just starts when updating to 2.3.4... In the first days I got the impression of lower battery level, so reading the forums I saw the restart/level change problem, and tested it
eklam said:
Yes it just starts when updating to 2.3.4... In the first days I got the impression of lower battery level, so reading the forums I saw the restart/level change problem, and tested it
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You probably updated to 2.3.4 while not at 100% battery level, and it messed up your battery stat. So, yes, do all the steps in this guide except for jug6ernaut's battery fix part.
thanks, ill give this a shot....again.....tonight and hopefully it will fix my issue.
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Download link seems to be down...just errors out when trying to download.
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Which download link? CMW_Jug6_FIXv2.zip?
I'm on a rooted stock GB and I'm having the problem where the battery usage stats are inaccurate and won't got below 90% after using it all day. This all started after I used Battery Calibration. Do you think that this would help correct the problem?
Edit: Also, would I need to complete all of the steps including the CWM part? I haven't flashed any roms yet, so I don't know if this would be necessary.
ThickG said:
I'm on a rooted stock GB and I'm having the problem where the battery usage stats are inaccurate and won't got below 90% after using it all day. This all started after I used Battery Calibration. Do you think that this would help correct the problem?
Edit: Also, would I need to complete all of the steps including the CWM part? I haven't flashed any roms yet, so I don't know if this would be necessary.
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Seems like you used Battery Calibration while not at 100% charge and your battery stats got messed up.
The reason I recommend using CWM is because the battery stats file is created on each boot. So, with my instructions you can charge the phone to 100% while it's off and wipe the messed up stats before it boots.
You can try using my instructions, without the CWM part, except you need to wipe your battery stats with Battery Calibration app after step 4.
lol i left pandora on since this morning and its only at 67%. ugh, when i wanna force drain the battery it goes slow as hell but when i wanna conserve battery live for usage it drains quick. hahaha.
I just flashed navalynt's πCrust rom fully charged, cleared stats through cwm, booted and now i'm close to 3days.
dictoresno said:
lol i left pandora on since this morning and its only at 67%. ugh, when i wanna force drain the battery it goes slow as hell but when i wanna conserve battery live for usage it drains quick. hahaha.
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lol yes. I used video playback to drain mine. But if it's really a PITA, you can always just leave it till tomorrow to discharge naturally.
Jonous said:
I just flashed navalynt's πCrust rom fully charged, cleared stats through cwm, booted and now i'm close to 3days.
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Yep, that's why flashing only when at 100% charge always pays off.
I get the same results by booting to CWM, wiping battery stats, rebooting, starting Battery Calibration, plugging phone into wall charger, charging to 100% (4197mv for me), and then calibrating with Battery Calibration. I start this process at any battery percentage, and have been doing this for a long time now. I have never had to deplete my battery until my phone shuts off, and get great battery life.
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CaelanT said:
I get the same results by booting to CWM, wiping battery stats, rebooting, starting Battery Calibration, plugging phone into wall charger, charging to 100% (4197mv for me), and then calibrating with Battery Calibration. I start this process at any battery percentage, and have been doing this for a long time now. I have never had to deplete my battery until my phone shuts off, and get great battery life.
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After the calibration I had 4200mv, so it seems like you are doing things right in regards to the battery.
"Taking the battery out and putting it back in" trick works wonders though in restoring battery life to maximum state (if you had it decrease for some reason). I've tested it multiple times even back when I had the Milestone.
After freezing some twenty applications with Titanium Backup, I finally got this phone to properly enter deep sleep. Here is a quick demo:
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I only have the HD2 to compare, which, either with WM6.5 or Android (CM7 flavour), reported, with its builtin battery chip, 4mA of drain to stay connected to the GSM carrier.
Surely enough, since silly Samsung doesn't like to use decent battery controller chips in their 800USD flagship phones, which any HTC device has, the estimates from Battery Monitor Widget, as, per se, estimates, so I cannot really say the numbers are exact, nor I have a definite idea of how they are calculated.
But still:
And, more in detail:
(yes, I know I could've copy/pasted the txt log in here, but surely a screenshot is nicer to look at )
I shamelessly forgot to take a shot of the Android stock battery usage screen, to which I actually look quite seldom; to my defense though, all these screenshots have been taken one after the other, so refer to the same moment; I had the phone charged, then unplugged it and reset the timer on CPUspy, WiFi stayed on just for a while, then disabled; no GPS, no BT, "GSM Only" selected in mobile networks.
I have found a weird behaviour: the drain is 2mA (according to BMW estimates) for quite a while right after the battery is charged. When you happen to actually "use" the phone for a while, the deep sleep drain instead, as estimated, skyrockets up to 30-40mA, to slowly go down again, but never quite low as the drain on my HD2. In the attached screenshots, it stabilized to 17mA, which is still 4 times the comparison of 4mA for the HTC.
A silly deduction: this must not depend on the kernel nor the ROM, since the deep sleep state has the CPU totally inactive, but is there a "radio firmware" that changes this behaviour?
Most importantly, what are your deep sleep mA readings with Battery Monitor Widget?
On a side note, I briefly connected the Note to my PC via USB to copy over the screencaps, and now after a short USB charge, BMW is reporting 2mA again...
How about sharing what apps you froze?
Without giving a full list (that would be dispersive and especially I would have to write it by hand which is annoying ) I suppose you can start with the obvious, all samsung apps, especially the updaters, and those that have a huge internet background activity (freezing IM+ in my case helped, but that sucks if you use chats a lot... I dont), then pass onto the tricky ones you would never suspect, like Network Location and Google Maps/Google Streets
If it doesn't solve your problem let me know, I will go and compile a list, but keep in mind that at first I just uninstalled system apps from Titanium, so the frozen list will be uncomplete of those uninstalled apps.
Quick update: for just this night, I tried leaving the phone on in airplane mode: 8mA drain just to be in connection-less standby!! That's ridiculous, it drains double with no connection active whatsoever, than what the HD2 needs to keep the GSM network connected. Re-enabled the GSM this morning, went to 17mA, so I suppose the 2mA that I see right after charging are, as suspected, just an artifact of BMW estimates.
This resulted in 4% over 7 hours (4% of a 2500mAh battery) in airplane mode, HD2 under WM drained 3-4% over 8 hours nights with GSM on (on a 1230mAh battery).
This phone does have a ****ty energy management.
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This resulted in 4% over 7 hours (4% of a 2500mAh battery) in airplane mode, HD2 under WM drained 3-4% over 8 hours nights with GSM on (on a 1230mAh battery).
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I left the note (stock, not rooted) on for about 9 hours this night with 4% battery. This morning it had 1% left. To force it to shut down i opened wifi, read my mails and watched 2 songs on youtube.
All i did for the night was to set it to GSM only mode, close all active apps and clear the RAM from the build in task manager. I haven't experienced samsung apps keeping the phone awake yet.
Hi Bassarnis, and thank you for your report
Your experience may lead to believe it actually drained "just" 3% overnight, yet, with CM7 on my HD2 I had the strangest things happen especially when battery was (reportedly) almost drained.
Android (with its silly battery management) would tell me the phone was at 5%, and I just went on using it until 1%; even doing the nastiest stuff to drain that last 1% it took a notable while before the phone shutted down.
Turns out the battery wasn't really drained, but the phone told me it was, because of the useless, illogic, un-asked-for use of "battery statistics", combined with the fact that this OS thinks a battery is depleted when the dV is still 3600mV-ish (LiIon can stand to be discharged up to 3V with no damage).
In this case your leftover 1% could very well mean, in reality, a 6-7% ;D
I would love to know how much %age your phone drains overnight with GSM, starting from a good charge
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Hi Bassarnis, and thank you for your report
Your experience may lead to believe it actually drained "just" 3% overnight, yet, with CM7 on my HD2 I had the strangest things happen especially when battery was (reportedly) almost drained.
Android (with its silly battery management) would tell me the phone was at 5%, and I just went on using it until 1%; even doing the nastiest stuff to drain that last 1% it took a notable while before the phone shutted down.
Turns out the battery wasn't really drained, but the phone told me it was, because of the useless, illogic, un-asked-for use of "battery statistics", combined with the fact that this OS thinks a battery is depleted when the dV is still 3600mV-ish (LiIon can stand to be discharged up to 3V with no damage).
In this case your leftover 1% could very well mean, in reality, a 6-7% ;D
I would love to know how much %age your phone drains overnight with GSM, starting from a good charge
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I charge my phone while its off. I know the effect you are describing. It could well mean that the battery wasn't properly charged the first few times, leading to the last 1% = 5%.
I don't guarantee that my results are accurate, since bought the Note 48 hours ago. When i bought it, i used it until the battery depleted and then charged it to full while it was off. Now its the 3rd time i charge it and i believe the percentages will be more accurate from now on.
Will try tonight and let you know tommorow
Thank you for your interest in this matter
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Thank you for your interest in this matter
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Here are the results:
As soon as the indicator showed 5% battery left at around 23:00, closed all apps via the build in task manager and cleared the ram. (GPS/WI-FI/Auto-synch/Data = off, network set to GSM only)
Now at 7:00 there is 3% left after 8 hours of sleep time. That is 2% more than the last time. Currently the phone is on it's 4th charge circle using the method posted above (letting the phone shut down by itself, then charging it while off till 100%). I 'll probably do one more circle and then start charging the phone whenever.
after reading this thread was a bit worried so did a test last night,after a full charge from 1 am until 9am with only gsm on it consumed just 1%.
so no complains here on my wife's galaxy tab 10.1 she had the same draining problem,but after disabling the GPS it was solved.
Apparently there is something terribly wrong with either my phone OR my software... are you both on stock ROMs? And which version of firmware?
Thank you!
Ive been getting more than 1% drop over 8hours since my SGS2 days.. so this is nothing new to me.. only my SGS1 could drop 1% every 9.5hrs of idle.
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Apparently there is something terribly wrong with either my phone OR my software... are you both on stock ROMs? And which version of firmware?
Thank you!
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Stock 2.3.6 not rooted here. I believe that battery monitor widget you use keeps your phone awake. Did you check your wake times?
You know, I've thought about it very much, regarding BMW and possible interferences with wakelocks, since it has to update stats every 10 minutes after all... but it's still once in 10 minutes so I don't see how it can weight for so much.
Also, I had battery monitor widget since the phone was still on KJ4 and unrooted, fresh out of the box, without a SIM inside, and with logging every 5 minutes instead of 10.
You can compare the graphs of the battery drain (one day is equivalent to two columns):
Before pimping up the phone, stock KJ4:
After, with ExtraLite rom and Abyss Kernel:
I obviously studied reports from betterbatterystats and nothing big seems to come out from there, apart from three causes for wakelocks that I cannot really pinpoint to anything specific: ActivityManager-Launch and AlarmManager, time-wise, and ActivityManager-Sleep, count-wise.
Out of curiosity, I disabled BWM, to see if anything changes.
But I reckon this is some kind of Schrodinger's cat situation, because I can't know the battery current drain of the phone when BWM is not active, if I don't use BWM
My last resort is to restore the nandroid of KJ4 freshly cf-rooted and see from there
Thank you all again for the interest, and
@EarlZ
1% down overnight is scary, positively speaking. I was content with 3-4% with the HD2 and WM6.5.
I was on the 1% mark overnight (less actually) only with my iPaq 214 But then again, that was not a phone, and its standby was a proper standby. And it had a battery almost like the note's.
This thread is to discus extremely poor battery life on the Nexus S. When we say extremely poor, we mean averaging <24 hours per charge at idle.
After much research I think it's safe to say that some of us are experiencing extremely poor or contrarily, extremely good battery life and no one seems to have an explanation. I'm hoping this thread will find the answer.
The issue:
Many NS users are experiencing extremely poor battery life regardless of:
Rom installed
Apps installed
Installation method
Battery used
Charging method/battery training
Phone usage
Power configuration/tweaks
When we say "extremely poor" we mean <24 hours at idle, but many users are getting less than 8h/C at idle.
I personally have tested this against several ROMS both GB and ICS. We all see slightly better battery performance with GB ROMS, but never greater than 24h/charge.
My ROM history:
Tested the following ROMS for 4 days each, following the same installation procedure each time.
CM7 (nightly/stable) - ~15h/[email protected]
CM9 - ~13h/[email protected]
CyberGR .v4.5 - ~11h/[email protected]
CyberGR .v5.0 - ~11h/[email protected]
Installation method:
Wipe battery stats
Wipe data/factory reset and wipe cache partition
Flash Dalvik-wiper.zip and wipe Dalvik Cache
Wipe data/factory reset and wipe cache partition again
Format /system/data/cache/boot/sdcard
Flash ROM
Flash Gapps if applicable (CyberGR comes with Gapps installed)
I was running an AUCKF1 Radio for all tests. I did try a few other radio's but did not see any noticeable increase in battery life *edit-flashed XXXKB3 and may have increased my idle time by 6x? still testing*
I've also never personally seen an NS get >24h/C, and I've deployed >40 of them to customers. I've only ever heard of >24h/C here on the forums where it seems quite common.
I've seen reports of users flashing the OTA automatically or manually, and some experience <8h/[email protected] while others see >3d/[email protected] I've also tested the OTA and never saw better than 13h/[email protected]
So, we're trying to find the common denominator between those with good battery performance vs. those with poor performance.
Suspects:
Android OS is almost always reported to be active/awake for at least 50% of the time, even at idle on a brand new clean install. It is always the highest consumer of battery, always keeps the CPU awake.
I propose the following test:
Regardless of your setup, if you are experiencing >2d/[email protected] or with use, please post the following:
Phone model (ie: i9020a, i9020t...)
ROM
Radio version
Installation method
Screenshot of your battery monitor from a full charge over a minimum of 10 hours.
Screenshot of your battery use by application/service (we notice that Android OS seems to be the culprit in most cases of poor performance)
For those getting <1d/[email protected], please do the following and then post the same as above:
Note: This should be done overnight.
Follow the above flash instructions and flash whatever ROM you please.
Reboot to recovery and wipe your battery stats.
Power off your handset and give it a full charge while powered off.
On first reboot, sign into a single Google account but do not restore your apps/backups and disable Google sync.
Do not install any additional applications.
Enable wifi/bt/gps/data/sync and associate to a wireless network
Do not modify any power settings.
Leave your handset to idle overnight for at least 8 hours without touching anything.
In the morning, take a screenshot of your battery use as well as battery use by application/service.
Post Phone model, ROM, Radio version, Carrier, and Screenshots.
I recognize that there is some argument about how fast your battery will re-train itself after wiping battery stats. In my experience the training seems to be optimal after 1 full charge to full discharge cycle, but ultimately I've never seen further training result in >24h/C. Someone please let me know if there's a more accurate way to test this? Maybe we shouldn't be wiping battery stats at all?
I'll get us started.
Sorry, didn't get screenshots after 8 hours because my battery wouldn't last that long.
Phone model: Samsung i9020a
ROM: CyberGR .v5
Radio: AUCKF1
Carrier: Rogers
Wifi associated, BT on, Data on, Sync on, 3G connected, added one Google account but did not restore settings and disabled account sync.
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Results fluctuate between ~8h/[email protected] and ~14h/[email protected]
With light to moderate use, I get 6-10h/C
Hey Ben i just did what you did in the other thread. full charge everything on kill all unneeded services.
I'll admit that i forgot to kill extra services and it plummeted my battery to 92% in about 45min. I had an "oh ****" moment and went and killed the random apps.
Im at 2 hours extra now and lost 3% only, everything still on.
So with that info i'll mention this for me would be considered heavy usage. I'll never have everything on constantly. When I was posting up my results of light usage and getting 3 days - note that i had everything firewalled while on 3G except for my emails and messaging and took a few calls only. everything else was off.
I'm gonna guess that with it all on and actually using the phone i'll hit at most 10 hours, probably not even that.
So that basically puts us about even. I'm curious if you do my light tests...will you be seeing 3 days also ? If yes then we can rule out models basically.
Flashed XXXKB3, factory reset (according to OP instructions), flashed CyberGR .v5 again, signed into one Google account, disabled Google sync+backup, enabled and connected to wifi, bt/gps/everything on, then left my phone overnight. Results.
Looks ****in' Gooood. 1.2%/[email protected] draw.
But then, opened my screen once, played some tunes through BT to my truck, drove around for 13 minutes, went back in the house and left the phone idling again and look at the drop! It's continued to draw like this all day now, just idling. I've done NOTHING but play 13 minutes of music and then back to idle.
What's DOES IT MEAN??!!
So I rebooted my phone and let it idle again without touching anything, and still seeing the wicked battery draw. I dunno wtf to think here, and I can't get the draw back down to 1%/[email protected]
*edit* For the sake of 100% transparency, while the phone was idling at 1%/h overnight, I was far enough away from the wifi AP i'd associtated to, that it MAY have lost signal and given up, so perhaps the wifi hardware finally went to sleep. Does anyone know if wpa_supplicant (or whatever controls wifi in Android) runs is represented by AndroidOS?
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Oh. Dur...
I think that may be it. Wifi was probably dis-associated overnight. You can see at the very beginning of the battery recording, there's a sharp dip in charge for about 15 minutes, which corresponds directly to Wifi association, then the draw goes nearly flat (1%/h) for 10.5 hours and the Wifi is not associated.
Testing now... Leaving Wifi on, but dis-associated. See if that nice flat line comes back.
Phone model: Samsung i9020a
ROM: CyberGR .v5
Radio: UCKE1
Carrier: Rogers
This is a normal night of going out, connecting with friends, a bit of music before. A weekend for when it is most important, these are the results. I forgot to photo the android os but it said it was awake, cpu for 4 hrs.
Regarding the Android OS being highest battery consumer, it might be false alarm:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1456265
Although still, that hasn't explained the high drain (<10h/day) you're experiencing.
In your first set of screencaps (the 2h30m one) it seems obvious that the culprit is Mediaserver and Google+? One of the most annoying things about ICS that I found is that after flashing ROMs or kernels, Google-Photos have a tendency to enable sync behind our backs. Someone in my local forum discovered when he logged in G+ in his PC that the pictures in his Nexus S had suddenly shown up in the G+ account even though he never uploaded them there. After he disabled that sync, his battery life improved. As a result, I've grown OCD about checking my sync settings every once in a while. The Google-Photos option doesn't always show right away when we set up a new Google account.
AOKP Milestone 2 rom with Steve Garon's 1.12 kernel. 100/1100mhz, interactive governor.
More screen time:
My battery drain at idle (next to none) :
Under heavy usage, screen on, running apps (still relatively efficient draw) :
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AOKP Milestone 2 rom with Steve Garon's 1.12 kernel. 100/1100mhz, interactive governor.
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Phone model and radio?
I'm back to 1%/[email protected] with everything but wifi enabled.
All sync settings enabled with no sync delay.
G+/data/gallery sync all enabled for 3 accounts. Receiving about 30 emails in 14.5 hours overnight. This should work out to 111h/[email protected]
The question here for me is that I thought Wifi would use less power than 3G given it's such lower range. I thought that when Wifi was associated that your 3G would automatically disconnect, thus using less power when associated to a Wifi AP than when connected to 3G.
Am I mistaken in this? Is this not the desired operation?
*edit* It may be looking like my draw increased by about 8x as soon as I opened the screen for the first time this morning, and hasn't dropped back down to the 1%/h. Right now it seems to be at about 10%/h again, though I'll report back on this later today.
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Wow. What settings this time?
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Phone model and radio?
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D720 ns4g and latest radio - D720SPRKE1 or whatever it's called.
I'm getting the same...
power drain increases for dunno whatever reason...
right after a reboot it goes ok if I do not touch it... as soon (or five minutes later) as I start playing with it the power drain increases a lot and android OS takes over any other service...
generally to test I wipe the battery stats before booting from recovery...
maybe we should check in logcat what trigger the high android OS usage?
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I'm getting the same...
power drain increases for dunno whatever reason...
right after a reboot it goes ok if I do not touch it... as soon (or five minutes later) as I start playing with it the power drain increases a lot and android OS takes over any other service...
generally to test I wipe the battery stats before booting from recovery...
maybe we should check in logcat what trigger the high android OS usage?
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I've checked logcat/dmesg and haven't seen anything super suspect (to my somewhat untrained Android eyes). I have done a tonne of power management scripting/troubleshooting in laptops and other mobile devices but this is really my first serious foray into Android PM, so I may be missing something.
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Wow. What settings this time?
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As I said, stock settings from CyberGR .v5. Signed in to all three Google accounts and left sync enabled. Turned off Wifi but left everything else enabled.
Drove around (phone paired to my truck for music) for a few hours today, light/moderate use, and I'm currently sitting at 69% battery remaining, coming up on 24 hours on battery. Realistically, this is probably a little lighter use than normal for me, plus I usually plug in when I'm in the Jeep as I'm running not only music over BT to my Jeep, but also streaming OBDii data from my ECU to Torque (and my screen is usually on full time while driving as I like to keep track of my mileage (troubleshooting fuel efficiency as well ).
So all said, stock settings with CyberGr, Radio XXXKB3, Wifi off, everything else on, and I should easily get 2 full days of light use.
Now that said, I'm still waiting for someone getting 3-5 days to chime in. I still feel something isn't quite right.
Wow. Practically the same as myself but my battery is now around 6-7 hrs before I need a charge. I will have to buy a new battery and see if that is the culprit. Over even just flash CM9 instead, who knows..
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Wow. Practically the same as myself but my battery is now around 6-7 hrs before I need a charge. I will have to buy a new battery and see if that is the culprit. Over even just flash CM9 instead, who knows..
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I doubt it's a bad battery. You're seeing the same life I was before I flashed the XXXKB3 radio and re-installed the ROM properly. Follow the installation instructions from the OP and see if that solves your problem.
After looking at an earlier shot here I notice my android os stays on most of the time hence my bad battery. How do I get it to sleep?
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After looking at an earlier shot here I notice my android os stays on most of the time hence my bad battery. How do I get it to sleep?
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So does mine, but it is not an accurate reflection of battery drain, per android engineer Dianne Hackborn. Look at the Android OS percentage in my screen shots - it doesn't matter.
For those with excessive battery drain: install Battery Monitor Widget and Better Battery Stats from the market. Those two apps should provide all the data you need to troubleshoot poor performance.
Also, check your signal strength. Weak reception will drain your battery in a hurry.