Take Kitkat update OR keep Jelly Bean ? - Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi all:
this time I see Google insist that any new smartphone should be ships with the latest Android version.
What Google is looking for in KitKat ?
For me I will not update to KitKat !
Because of the following:
"The WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE permission must only grant write access to the primary external storage on a device. Apps must not be allowed to write to secondary external storage devices, except in their package-specific directories as allowed by synthesized permissions."
That means your microSD card is secondary storage and apps will not be allowed to use it, Google has screwed up the KitKat API as they think there is a big security problem with external SD cards !!!!!
Oh... your SD Card is completely useless, applications will no longer be able to create, modify or remove files and folders on your external SD card. As a for-instance, you can no longer use a file manager to copy files from your computer to the SD card over a network.
in short Google want you to use their cloud services instead of your SD card, I feel like we are going back in time, and Samsung is involved in this game.

one-option said:
Hi all:
this time I see Google insist that any new smartphone should be ships with the latest Android version.
What Google is looking for in KitKat ?
For me I will not update to KitKat !
Because of the following:
"The WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE permission must only grant write access to the primary external storage on a device. Apps must not be allowed to write to secondary external storage devices, except in their package-specific directories as allowed by synthesized permissions."
That means your microSD card is secondary storage and apps will not be allowed to use it, Google has screwed up the KitKat API as they think there is a big security problem with external SD cards !!!!!
Oh... your SD Card is completely useless, applications will no longer be able to create, modify or remove files and folders on your external SD card. As a for-instance, you can no longer use a file manager to copy files from your computer to the SD card over a network.
in short Google want you to use their cloud services instead of your SD card, I feel like we are going back in time, and Samsung is involved in this game.
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There is already a fix for that

I'm using KitKat and have no problem with ext.sd. everything is working good.

KK goes without saying!!!

KitKat!

Better kitkat :good:

KitKat. period. I flashed the stock firmware first before flashing custom formware. No issues.

yep, kit kat.

definitely kitkat.

Have a break (with jellybean). Have a KitKat.
cheers ~

Zoddex said:
There is already a fix for that
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Well, my S4 is not rooted , that fix also could miss your phone, I don't know what is the point in having a MicroSD slot, then Kitkat will make it useless !!!
as it is not enough that Touchwize rom taking much of the phone storage, but Kitkat will make things even more hard !!!!
Guys just be aware of what you are going to do with your S4

Zoddex said:
There is already a fix for that
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Link PLS ...

Mittaa said:
Link PLS ...
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Here you have it (from Google Play): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nextapp.sdfix

kponto said:
Here you have it (from Google Play): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nextapp.sdfix
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Better late than never, but thanks anyway LOL
Found the same solution weeks ago :good:

I would suggest go for KitKat as it's awesome for performance and battery is beastly
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sd card issue

I have galaxy note 3,updated to android kitkat everythink gone well,, but after update finished try to backup my apps to 16 GB external sd card but,,not working
I try 10 different backup app none of them working.. is this problem cause by me or kitkat
There are quite a few posts regarding this issue. Installing the SanDisk app the playstore can fix the issue.
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Ryya said:
There are quite a few posts regarding this issue. Installing the SanDisk app the playstore can fix the issue.
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Which SanDisk app are you referring to?
SD card issue
I have the same problem (N9005, 32GB Samsung SD card) - after the update:
- Mybackup Pro is not able to backup on SD card (before it worked well)
- File mamager X-Plore can not create new folders on the external SD card
- similar with the Astro file manager
Only the system-own file manager can create folders. Reading from the card is possible.
After formatting the card: still the same problem.
has anyone additional information?
It's because of the security features of KK... These older apps aren't yet "approved" by Samsung. It has something to do with a simple permission to write to the sd card.
As was stated "Only the system-own file manager can create folders" as this is Samsung approned. Until the Apps are updated and the Samsung seal of approval given these may have trouble...
There is no problem if rooted...
I am truly enjoying KitKat but I wish I could get Titanium to back up to the external sd card.
I guess I will wait like everyone else for the app to get approval from Samsung. Perhaps that will come with the "official' release of KitKat.
Yes, I am rooted and it still cannot back up to the external sd.
Spazmogen said:
I am truly enjoying KitKat but I wish I could get Titanium to back up to the external sd card.
I guess I will wait like everyone else for the app to get approval from Samsung. Perhaps that will come with the "official' release of KitKat.
Yes, I am rooted and it still cannot back up to the external sd.
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Use External SD fix for KitKat - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2607215

I am very sorry I upgraded to KitKat

I did the KitKat upgrade to my Note 10.1 a couple of days ago. I'm now sorry I did that. Why? The external SD card changes make some of my apps, paid apps, unusable. One of those is AppMonsterPro. It backs up a copy of an APK just before the Play Store updates an app. This allows me to go back to a previous APK should the new version have bugs or create havoc. Unfortunately under KitKat applications can no longer create folders on external SD cards so AppMonsterPro can't do it's job.
Here's a quote from the developer: "Since Android 4.4 KitKat on dual-storage devices (internal / external) apps can no longer write files to external SD card. Some apps can, but only files, f.e. pics, but no folders. AppMonster must write folders in order to work. As long Google does not make SD card useful again, the only workaround is to use internal storage to store your backups."
Not only can't AppMasterPro create folders, I can't delete the folders that were there before KitKat using any file manager program. I have to take the SD card out and use a PC to delete them.
This is a screwed up mess and I would like to know if there's a method, via Odin, to go back to 4.3. Any help would be appreciated.
TabGuy said:
I did the KitKat upgrade to my Note 10.1 a couple of days ago. I'm now sorry I did that. Why? The external SD card changes make some of my apps, paid apps, unusable. One of those is AppMonsterPro. It backs up a copy of an APK just before the Play Store updates an app. This allows me to go back to a previous APK should the new version have bugs or create havoc. Unfortunately under KitKat applications can no longer create folders on external SD cards so AppMonsterPro can't do it's job.
Here's a quote from the developer: "Since Android 4.4 KitKat on dual-storage devices (internal / external) apps can no longer write files to external SD card. Some apps can, but only files, f.e. pics, but no folders. AppMonster must write folders in order to work. As long Google does not make SD card useful again, the only workaround is to use internal storage to store your backups."
Not only can't AppMasterPro create folders, I can't delete the folders that were there before KitKat using any file manager program. I have to take the SD card out and use a PC to delete them.
This is a screwed up mess and I would like to know if there's a method, via Odin, to go back to 4.3. Any help would be appreciated.
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It is an easy fix if you are willing to root. If not you can Odin flash a 4.3 image.
nrage23 said:
It is an easy fix if you are willing to root. If not you can Odin flash a 4.3 image.
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Thanks for the quick reply. Can you point me to the USA 4.3 image?
TabGuy said:
Thanks for the quick reply. Can you point me to the USA 4.3 image?
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I am uploading MK1 to my Google Drive right now. I will PM you a link in a bit.
TabGuy said:
Thanks for the quick reply. Can you point me to the USA 4.3 image?
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Check Sammobile. They have 4.3 ROMs for our devices.
Are you trying to brick this man's tablet? No don't listen to him if you try and downgrade to an older firmware via odin you will brick your note.
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Kit Kat Upgrade
I just did the upgrade and apps that I had installed on my sd card seem to still be working. Kit Kat version 4.4.2
TabGuy said:
I am very sorry I upgraded to KitKat
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No offense, but if you're on XDA you should have seen this coming - the external SD issues have been discussed for months and there are even current threads in this forum that were started before 4.4 for the N10.1-14 was even released. You may as well suck it up and stay on 4.4. There are significant improvements, not just to the OS but Samsung's apps too. You're going to have to make the leap some time so you might as well just bite the bullet and figure out new ways to do what you used to do. Does your app that's broken support cloud storage? You might be able to have your backups saved in Dropbox.
pierrekid said:
Are you trying to brick this man's tablet? No don't listen to him if you try and downgrade to an older firmware via odin you will brick your note.
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Does anyone know if the bootloader was updated in 4.4? That's what'll brick a device and also trip KNOX. I'm not saying there won't be issues (AKA: I'm not responsible if anyone bricks their device) going from 4.4<>4.3 but it may work if the bootloader's the same.
BarryH_GEG said:
No offense, but if you're on XDA you should have seen this coming - the external SD issues have been discussed for months and there are even current threads in this forum that were started before 4.4 for the N10.1-14 was even released. You may as well suck it up and stay on 4.4. There are significant improvements, not just to the OS but Samsung's apps too. You're going to have to make the leap some time so you might as well just bite the bullet and figure out new ways to do what you used to do. Does your app that's broken support cloud storage? You might be able to have your backups saved in Dropbox.
Does anyone know if the bootloader was updated in 4.4? That's what'll brick a device and also trip KNOX. I'm not saying there won't be issues (AKA: I'm not responsible if anyone bricks their device) going from 4.44.3 but it may work if the bootloader's the same.
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TabGuy said:
I did the KitKat upgrade to my Note 10.1 a couple of days ago. I'm now sorry I did that. Why? The external SD card changes make some of my apps, paid apps, unusable. One of those is AppMonsterPro. It backs up a copy of an APK just before the Play Store updates an app. This allows me to go back to a previous APK should the new version have bugs or create havoc. Unfortunately under KitKat applications can no longer create folders on external SD cards so AppMonsterPro can't do it's job.
Here's a quote from the developer: "Since Android 4.4 KitKat on dual-storage devices (internal / external) apps can no longer write files to external SD card. Some apps can, but only files, f.e. pics, but no folders. AppMonster must write folders in order to work. As long Google does not make SD card useful again, the only workaround is to use internal storage to store your backups."
Not only can't AppMasterPro create folders, I can't delete the folders that were there before KitKat using any file manager program. I have to take the SD card out and use a PC to delete them.
This is a screwed up mess and I would like to know if there's a method, via Odin, to go back to 4.3. Any help would be appreciated.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=
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Here's a potential work-around. Samsung's My Files can create/edit/delete both files and folders on the external SD card. Have your app save the backups to internal storage and then set up a dual-window instance of My Files in multi view and just drag and drop them to a folder(s) you've created on the external SD. It's a pain in the ass but a way to keep more internal memory free.
Those of us with 32GB can probably live with more stuff having to be kept on internal SD but folks with 16GB have a tough road to hoe.
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nrage23 said:
It is an easy fix if you are willing to root. If not you can Odin flash a 4.3 image.
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Ok, help me. If I install the 4.4 USA image I have two questions. Is there a root for it? (If so can you point me to instructions.) What are the steps to negate the external SD card restrictions?
Yh, Google really messed up though they claim it's for security reasons. Apps can create folders but only the app that created the folder has access to the folder (for "security" reasons). Samsung apps have access to all folders, so the suggestion of using my files should work though it's a headache. My advice, root and be don't with it. The fact is going forward this is the new normal, don't mek sense get stuck on 4.3 as app support moves to 4.4 and beyond and you're there holding on like what happened with Mac OS 10.4, but that's just me. Re going back to 4.3 I did a nandroid backup before I went to 4.4 and did something that made me need to go back to 4.3 and redo the update. It went back using the nandroid backup without any issues, everything worked fine and I re updated and all was well too.
Hope you get it sorted.
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You can root your Kit Kat ROM. The procedure is simple and is same as 4.3. Once rooted the fix for your External SD problem is straight forward.
You can follow this or install this app and let it do its thing. You should be good to go.
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BarryH_GEG said:
Does anyone know if the bootloader was updated in 4.4? That's what'll brick a device and also trip KNOX. I'm not saying there won't be issues (AKA: I'm not responsible if anyone bricks their device) going from 4.4<>4.3 but it may work if the bootloader's the same.
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No, its the same bootloader for 4.3 and 4.4
Srikar_NBK said:
You can root your Kit Kat ROM and it should be an easy fix for your problem.
You can follow this or install this app and let it do its thing. You should be good to go.
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No, its the same bootloader for 4.3 and 4.4
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Bootloader is the same so downgrading should not brick your device.
nrage23 said:
Bootloader is the same so downgrading should not brick your device.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=
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pierrekid said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=
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Invalid link
nrage23 said:
Invalid link
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=50281174
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BarryH_GEG said:
Here's a potential work-around. Samsung's My Files can create/edit/delete both files and folders on the external SD card. Have your app save the backups to internal storage and then set up a dual-window instance of My Files in multi view and just drag and drop them to a folder(s) you've created on the external SD. It's a pain in the ass but a way to keep more internal memory free.
Those of us with 32GB can probably live with more stuff having to be kept on internal SD but folks with 16GB have a tough road to hoe.
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I also discovered that Samsung's My Files can do the job, wonder if and when second party apps will figure out what Samsung my files is doing to achieve the transfers.
nrage23 said:
It is an easy fix if you are willing to root. If not you can Odin flash a 4.3 image.
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I'm rooted and wondering if this app remedies all the sdcard issues that everyone is talking about on 4.4 kitkat. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.devasque.fmount
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[Q] Verizon Galaxy S5 - use SD card as music/photo/video storage

Trying to find an answer before I buy this phone. Is there a non-rooting option that will let me download music/save photos/store movies straight to a microsd card? If not, which rom do you recommend?
I have never rooted before btw.
ajumbaje said:
Trying to find an answer before I buy this phone. Is there a non-rooting option that will let me download music/save photos/store movies straight to a microsd card? If not, which rom do you recommend?
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Everything works better with root. Root just means that you have permission to modify system settings and files.
Kitkat, the latest version of the OS tightened security and no longer allows third party apps to freely write files anywhere on your SD card. Now they have to stick to their own directory on the card. This breaks or at least restricts what older apps can do.
But you should be able to find a newer app that does the things you asked about.. as long as the app has been updated to the new method of keeping all of it's files in one directory tree.
If you have root, you could change or remove those SD card restrictions.
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Workaround for Ext-SD

My last phone had no internal SD, and no problems.. The G3 has an internal sd and I cannot write to External at all due to some sort of security feature -- even with root. In Xplore File Manager it has a workaround to transfer files to the Android/data folder, but I didn't realize and made a nandroid backup to Ext-SD in TWRP before trying my first rom and nothing was written and no error given, thus losing all my data (Luckily I made a stock backup and copied to PC for archive before any modding).
Is there a way to unlock this "feature" on the G3 or is my external sd basically useless? This was one of the main selling points vs the Nexus for me.. Really disappointed.
NFleck said:
My last phone had no internal SD, and no problems.. The G3 has an internal sd and I cannot write to External at all due to some sort of security feature -- even with root. In Xplore File Manager it has a workaround to transfer files to the Android/data folder, but I didn't realize and made a nandroid backup to Ext-SD in TWRP before trying my first rom and nothing was written and no error given, thus losing all my data (Luckily I made a stock backup and copied to PC for archive before any modding).
Is there a way to unlock this "feature" on the G3 or is my external sd basically useless? This was one of the main selling points vs the Nexus for me.. Really disappointed.
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Use xposed framework module kitkat sd card full access
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That's it? Amazing, thank you for the quick response and sorry for being to lazy to search.. Was at work and just popped into my head to ask.
Edit: are you using it on your g3? Some comments say it doesn't work on 4.4 and to use foldermount instead.. I know were still on 4.2 on the 852, but if ill need to switch again id rather use the most permanent fix available.
I'm going to try this regardless, just curious what everyone uses to work around this.. Also, what xplore app do you use to utilize this fix. Not seeing an "official" xplore app.
Its funny, on the main display card in phone dealers it says memory upgradable to 128gb.. I find it humorous that your average person would not be able to easily use it without being savvy with computer/phone tweaking.. Ran into a similar issue on my roommates xperia j, forcing me to try apps like app2sd which did not work well at all either -- very frustrating to say the least. I honestly fail to see the reasoning for the complexity here as you can easily have multiple storage mediums on a computer.. This "security feature" makes no sense to me. Lol
Edit: I need to rely more on google than asking redundant questions. For future reference, googling "xposed framework installer" yielded a result for the main XDA thread for it.. *facepalm*

[Q] Samsung Galaxy S4 GT-i9505 Moving app+files to SD Card

Hello folks, I just got new SD Card 64GB because the official rom from samsung systems takes about 7GB from the internal storage [Notice: My internal storage 16GB].
So, I want to move almost all of my apps + files to the SD card (not all of them mostly the high size files).
For e.x: I've Mortal Kombat X from the play store when I move it to the SD card only the app is moved but the data stay in the internal storage Phone/Android/obb/xxxx also I tried other apps the same thing!
also I've tried moving the file by my self to SD/Android/obb/xxxx same problem and on launching the game it required an file installation (dowloading)!
My device info:
Model: GT-i9505 LTE
Android Ver: Official Samsung Lollipop 5.0.1
Internal Storage: 16GB
SD Card: 64GB
Root: NOT ROOTED Device
So, is there any solution ?
Thanks for your time guys...
You can try this. However, there is no guarantee it will work, and you assume any and all risks in trying it, including but not limited to bootloops or soft bricks. The app requires root as it needs to be able to pull data files from the /data partition, and you'll need to make a second partition on your MicroSD for the storage space. Certain features require a purchase to unlock.
I will give it a try!
I have just downloaded it from the play store but I think it required a root access!
Is there other way to move files to SD card without rooting my phone?
And what is the easiest way to root my phone
I mentioned that root was needed in my first post on this thread and why it was needed. There's no way to do what you want to do without rooting, so search for CF-AutoRoot on the forums for the easiest way to root.
Okay strephon thanks dude ☺I really appreciate that...

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