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xda member Xifil spoke to a Sony Rep from London who put him in touch with a Sony Rep in Belguim or Sweden or somwhere cant remember then name but he knew more about the technology in the phone, and confirmed what i feared
xiFIL call to Sony Rep @ approx 20:30 18/02/2012
xiFIL: HI, its ******* from VODAFONE, i wanted to ask with regards to the technologies in the screen, we can be real with each other, i work for vodafone, work for a carrier, your Sony Rep referred me to you, how do you find the screen, how do you find the quality, do you believe the screen is up to par,
SONY REP: I'm going to be honest here, if you are someone who is an average user then the screen so much wouldn't matter much to you
but if it was me i would not buy the screen, there was no way for SONY to make a really slim device without putting an E-IPS cheaper screen in,
and because we know that everyone will not be happy with the screen, so we added the waterproof feature to subsidize for it.
xiFIL: The Dev unit had a really good screen though, it was good quality but several other devices i have tested were rubbish....?
SONY REP: The DEV units were made in Japan and came directly from there, and different to the production units, it is a variant of the Japanese variant without the branding, and all the developer tools,
The above conversation is not word for word but along those lines
SONY actually realized the xperia Z was not up to par, they still went ahead with the Z being rubbish, this is first hand news from a SONY REP WHO ADMITTED THEY HAVE NOT MADE A SCREEN UPTO PAR with current devices and gave it waterproofing to make up for the screen being rubbish, face it not one of us would have bought it with a inferior screen if it does not have the IP ratings!
Believe it if you want or stay in denial, but you will see after launch, the Japs seem to have got a better variant but we have been had off!
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kyogiro said:
Both, poor contrast and washed out colors. It is the unit that being demoed at the Paris Sony Store.
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shem2409 said:
I was better but still not perfect. The screen just lacks vibrancy, it appears kinda dull. I mean it is beautiful when you view images and videos, but when you compare it to any other device you feel like there is something missing in presentation of colors. As I said before, though the blacks are deep and I don't think that there is any problems with the viewing angles. The screen appears very reflective, but the one I looked at lacked the screen protector supplied with the phone (which maybe corrects that a little bit)
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kyogiro said:
I got the same impression when testing the device for 30 minutes. Te difference, screen wise, is stunning when I was running YouTube (for some reason or maybe it's normal, the bravia engine didn't kick in) or playing the installed game, Temple Run 2.
What is even more troublesome is the fact that the problem is not officially recognized by Sony, so it's highly possible that some of the customers will end up with the bad unit. While I was told the test models were demo ones, I got very worried reading the Gsmarena review because they specifically requested another unit after their first XZ's preview and getting, surprisingly a bad screen.
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I have some bad news, There is a reason why the Sony store devices had a washed out device,
I just spoke to XDA member xiFIL, and my worst fears have come true, his Vodafone store received batches of the Z today in preparation for launch, These were final units not dev units, the boxes had IMEI numbers on it and serial numbers etc, they took out a few devices where the boxes got damaged in transit and tested them to make sure they work as well as testing the whole batch for quality control.
His Dev unit was special and it had a really good screen like the Docomo units BUT
The screens on the final units received at his store today look washed out like the demo units, to top this off he checked several devices in case it was just one device that had a faulty screen AND all of them looked like the demo units with washed out colours exactly as described in the paris sony store and by shem2409, there is no production unit and demo unit theory, why would SONY put rubbish screens in the demo and then better ones in the actual product, no there was no cost saving, the JAPS just gave themselves a better screen than the rest of the world, THIS IS IT!, this is what you will get nothing else, all hope was lost today and i am probably going to cancel my Pre-order,
There is no trolling, there is no hating on the device, it is the simple truth, Sony just put a 2012 screen on a 2013 device,
So many people have seen the live units at phones 4 u, at a sony store and all agree with the above.
OLD NEWS
One question posed was whether the Sony Xperia Z uses an IPS screen or not due to so much negativity regarding pre-production models being washed out with poor viewing angles.
It did state it in the Sony blog last year they were going to use JDI who manufacture IPS screens and also remove a layer of air between the screen and glass.
It appears Sony may have lived up to its claim and the Screen looks brilliant with good viewing angles!
After carefully analyzing the videos very closely, i see the display does not wash out at like the demo units do and the viewing angles and color seem to be on par with the S3 or One X
more videos below!
I have seen two demo units in two different retail stores and have to say the videos below are definitely better.
please watch video on youtube full screen in HD mode on a big screen and see for yourself,
XDA User Shem2409 went to the Sony Center today and took a short video in which he demoed the screen viewing angles, brightness and color as best as possible.
Here is his video:
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here are is the Japanese live model video so now stop slating and trolling the phone after reading sh!tty preview demo reviews and wait for the real thing to come out!
Also if you watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lgsYDXmdVzc#t=130s
forward to 2 minutes and 10 seconds, while the phone is booting up, the screen dims a little and all of a sudden it gives better black levels at 2:17
video is also here if you manually forward
Apparently this is the calibration tool which will be provided on the Z to calibrate our own display colour
A Sony representative also claimed the pre-production/DEMO/beta models were made using cheap materials and also the screen was glued by hand and not set properly as the production models, simply because they wanted the devices to be ready for CES 2013 and due to the amount of demo units they wanted to send out asap and that the production models would be better.
So now if you wanna be gangster and look at your phone sideways, you can!
I will give a full review of the screen and phone once i get my phone on the 28th
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I believe it is not an IPS display.
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DdcCabuslay said:
I believe it is not an IPS display.
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That is what i thought but then i saw this
We previously reported on the fact that at least one of Sony Mobile’s upcoming 2013 flagship is likely to feature a 5-inch (1920 x 1080) display with an impressive 443 PPI. The display will be developed by Japan Display Inc (JDI) and the press release published in early October suggested it would be a TFT-LCD IPS display in RGB configuration.
on this
http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/10/2...0p-display-may-feature-whitemagic-technology/
???
no it doesnt
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=36943663&posted=1#post36943663
xl VipeR lx said:
Does anyone know wether the Z features an IPS screen or not. It did state it in the sony blog last year.
Also how does one feel about the viewing angles? and its negative publicity at the moment?
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I remember reading somewere (watched so many xperia Z videos i lost track ) that the xperia Z is actually IPS and that the demo units were TFT screens and that, but this hasn't been confirmed, nor does it seem to be true as no sony representatives have mentioned it, not unlikely though
Oh dear lord how many times do we have to say it.
The Xperia Z DOES HAVE AN IPS DISPLAY. NOT ALL IPS DISPLAYS HAVE THE SAME VIEWING ANGLES.
Also, IPS is still TFT. It is an IPS TFT LCD. The display you're thinking of with the really bad viewing angles that change colours under an angle are TN TFT LCD's. Have a look here for more about that: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36852469&postcount=100
The Xperia Z uses this display: http://www.j-display.com/english/news/2012/20121004.html
Well as of whatever i havve seen on youtube..The only problem with the display is the viewing angles...The screen looks washed out..Otherwise using it straight [which is 90% of the time] its a great screen. Just coz of the TFT nature it has this problem and IPS does not solve it.
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Oh dear lord how many times do we have to say it.
The Xperia Z DOES HAVE AN IPS DISPLAY. NOT ALL IPS DISPLAYS HAVE THE SAME VIEWING ANGLES.
Also, IPS is still TFT. It is an IPS TFT LCD. The display you're thinking of with the really bad viewing angles that change colours under an angle are TN TFT LCD's. Have a look here for more about that: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36852469&postcount=100
The Xperia Z uses this display: http://www.j-display.com/english/news/2012/20121004.html
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Good point, in any case if the viewing angles/colours are washed out then they included a screen colour colaborator so there is no need to root it, instead you can do it straight from the device.
The IPS doesnt help it in viewing angles though..it looks washed out!
Who cares, I look at my phone straight on, why would you want to look at your phone on a slant, are you a *gangsta* ?
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techguyone said:
Who cares, I look at my phone straight on, why would you want to look at your phone on a slant, are you a *gangsta* ?
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Ye br0 I haz Da [email protected] dog
Lmfao i jk but I do agree with you. I never saw a reason for viewing angles since 90% of the time you look at the phone straight on.
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Display video comparison - Xperia Z vs Galaxy S3
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Superior Auto and Exmor RS for mobile work together so you can capture the best possible photos in all light conditions with Xperia Z.
The display isn't washed out on a side angle. All the display rumors are false and they might just be propaganda of other OEM companies.
Take a look at this images(not intended for display comparison) if you see any washed out displays on them.
The ones you see with bad displays were taken by smartass photographers which were paid by other companies to destroy the image of Xperia Z/ZL. Come on guys I know you're all smarter than this
i worry the lifetime
Ambroos said:
Oh dear lord how many times do we have to say it.
The Xperia Z DOES HAVE AN IPS DISPLAY. NOT ALL IPS DISPLAYS HAVE THE SAME VIEWING ANGLES.
Also, IPS is still TFT. It is an IPS TFT LCD. The display you're thinking of with the really bad viewing angles that change colours under an angle are TN TFT LCD's. Have a look here for more about that: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36852469&postcount=100
The Xperia Z uses this display: http://www.j-display.com/english/news/2012/20121004.html
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yup, i don't worry about TFT or IPS TFT... i only worry about the lifetime of Full HD displays... to high PPI
i think the screen is very impressive, and i want it at dayone!!!
Washed out screen
One problem i do have with the device though, is its washed out colours, it just looks seriously washed out, i mean wtf, i hope the screen calaborator can be of good use, because for a 1080p phone with that kind of PPI, its a disappointment, it shall still be getting bought mind you!:angel:
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The screen definitely doesn't have washed out colors. Viewing angles could be better but colors are great, also color calibration is built into the display settings.
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REAVER117 said:
The screen definitely doesn't have washed out colors. Viewing angles could be better but colors are great, also color calibration is built into the display settings.
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The washed out issiue is just because the devices shown were made by hand means that the display and the kristallglass were not glued together that's because they look washed out
Believe me
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I know a lot of you are looking for some display calibration test of the HTC One.
I have found a good review but it is in Dutch, although well translated by google.
http://translate.google.nl/translat...et-kleine-imperfecties-het-scherm-getest.html
in short: It is a great display, best 1080p phone display. The colors on the One X are better though.
protomanp1 said:
I know a lot of you are looking for some display calibration test of the HTC One.
I have found a good review but it is in Dutch, although well translated by google.
in short: It is a great display, best 1080p phone display. The colors on the One X are better though.
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Something must have gone wrong in the Color Temperature test. They indicate that the display would have an even bluer tint than the Galaxy S3. I find that hard to believe after all the accolades this screen has been getting and just by how blue the whites are on the Galaxy S3.
This test is a joke, one x is much brightrr than the one lol, one have 370 nits from engadget and 6 other sites but here it has 480?
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The One is a lot more brighter than the One X+
The HTC One X had screen of 3 different manufacturers and all 3 had different brightnesses and color values.
Same thing going on here.
I'm judging only by eye, but I'd say the level of blue-push on my One is pretty much in line with what they found in that dutch review. You notice it a lot in videos - skin-tones aren't quite right, and everything feels slightly too cold and grey. It's possible that I and the dutch reviewers both have faulty handsets, I suppose.
It's also possible that most people don't know blue-push when they see it! Most televisions are calibrated with white points way into the blue if you use out-of-the-box settings, and relatively few people even bother to change the colour balance to "warm 2" rather than "normal", so significant blue-push is what a lot of people are used to and have come to expect. And the TV manufacturers use those out-of-the-box settings because they are designed to appeal to people at a quick glance on the showroom floor - blueish whites, over-saturated colours and exaggerated contrast and sharpness. People clearly like those things: look how many reviewers think the Xperia Z looks better with Bravia switched on. (Personally I find Bravia colours so unrealistic I feel like my eyes are going to start bleeding).
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I'm judging only by eye, but I'd say the level of blue-push on my One is pretty much in line with what they found in that dutch review. You notice it a lot in videos - skin-tones aren't quite right, and everything feels slightly too cold and grey. It's possible that I and the dutch reviewers both have faulty handsets, I suppose.
It's also possible that most people don't know blue-push when they see it! Most televisions are calibrated with white points way into the blue if you use out-of-the-box settings, and relatively few people even bother to change the colour balance to "warm 2" rather than "normal", so significant blue-push is what a lot of people are used to and have come to expect. And the TV manufacturers use those out-of-the-box settings because they are designed to appeal to people at a quick glance on the showroom floor - blueish whites, over-saturated colours and exaggerated contrast and sharpness. People clearly like those things: look how many reviewers think the Xperia Z looks better with Bravia switched on. (Personally I find Bravia colours so unrealistic I feel like my eyes are going to start bleeding).
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With the One X there were 2 versions for the European market. A Sharp screen and an Acer one. The Sharp one was much brighter than the Acer which might give rise to the confusion as to which phones are brighter. The Acer had better colour accuracy although HTC did improve further the accuracy for BOTH screen types in a firmware update. The One X+ I believe has the same Acer screen as the One X. There was some rumour that it was different but I had a One X (Acer) and One X+ side by side and they were clearly the same screen type.
So the good news is that HTC can improve it if they are all out by the same amount. If they vary wildly betwen units even with the same screen type then we are screwed.
I can see my One is a bit on the blue side but it is MUCH better than my S3. It is only a bit into blue, not wildly on the One. Also the screen is SO uniform! Maybe I just got lucky with that. How are others finding uniformity across the screen? NO backlight bleed at all, zero.
Variations in screen origin might perhaps account for the wildly differing numbers in the Dutch review (tweakers.net) and an earlier Russian preview (which you can find here).
It's also possible that all the positive reviews of the screen are based on the same pre-production version that the Russian reviewers saw, and that the version on the retail model is less accurate than the one on the review models, and has performance in line with the Dutch numbers.
It's a bloody minefield, this, isn't it?
What we really need is some more people doing colorimeter analyses. Sadly, I haven't owned a working colorimeter for a while now. If someone would like to buy me one, I'll take it for a spin.
keep in mind HTC have history of re-calibrating their displays with OTAs, it takes a few of the early OTAs before settling
although i keep wishing they should also offer color profiles like Samsung
knowing HTC the answer would be "the average smartphone user will not bother to change it"
hamdir said:
keep in mind HTC have history of re-calibrating their displays with OTAs, it takes a few of the early OTAs before settling
although i keep wishing they should also offer color profiles like Samsung
knowing HTC the answer would be "the average smartphone user will not bother to change it"
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39470144#post39470144
I've been unfortunate enough to receive 2 faulty Z3s, but have had a chance to compare the 2 side by side.
I know it's normal for companies to use different panels from different suppliers, but in this case Sony also seem to be using different touchscreen overlays as well.
Aside from the fact that one screen has pink whites, and the other has green whites, there is an obvious difference when the screen is off too, in addition to the feel in hand.
The original Z3 I got felt very plasticky, scratched very easily, and had very obvious markings where the digitiser is under the screen. Even a slight bit of direct light caused the thing to shimmer. I assume this is the Dragontrail glass.
With the replacement however, the glass actually feels like glass, so I assume this one is using Corning Gorilla Glass. The digitiser, you really have to look for it under bright direct light to see it. The display also has much better uniformity as well, where as the original had loads of light bleed at the bottom.
Sadly the replacement has a faulty camera button, otherwise it'd be damn near perfection.
Either way it's strange to have a phone where screen differences go beyond stock colour calibration.
I'd upload pictures, but it's extremely difficult to capture the digitiser etc, and you've all seen the comparisons of other phones where colour temperature is concerned.
Hopefully my 3rd replacement has gorilla glass. It really does feel that much better than the dragontrail stuff.
Edit: Forgot to add, the touch response on the gorilla glass display is noticeably slower than that on the pink dragontrail display. However on the flip side, the actual display response time (ghosting, for LCD panels) on the gorilla glass display is lower than that on the dragontrail.
Thanks!
and now we have the reason why sony will not say which glas they use.
Can you please let us know where you are getting your Z3 phones from and model codes?
istrikerx said:
I've been unfortunate enough to receive 2 faulty Z3s, but have had a chance to compare the 2 side by side.
I know it's normal for companies to use different panels from different suppliers, but in this case Sony also seem to be using different touchscreen overlays as well.
Aside from the fact that one screen has pink whites, and the other has green whites, there is an obvious difference when the screen is off too, in addition to the feel in hand.
The original Z3 I got felt very plasticky, scratched very easily, and had very obvious markings where the digitiser is under the screen. Even a slight bit of direct light caused the thing to shimmer. I assume this is the Dragontrail glass.
With the replacement however, the glass actually feels like glass, so I assume this one is using Corning Gorilla Glass. The digitiser, you really have to look for it under bright direct light to see it. The display also has much better uniformity as well, where as the original had loads of light bleed at the bottom.
Sadly the replacement has a faulty camera button, otherwise it'd be damn near perfection.
Either way it's strange to have a phone where screen differences go beyond stock colour calibration.
I'd upload pictures, but it's extremely difficult to capture the digitiser etc, and you've all seen the comparisons of other phones where colour temperature is concerned.
Hopefully my 3rd replacement has gorilla glass. It really does feel that much better than the dragontrail stuff.
Edit: Forgot to add, the touch response on the gorilla glass display is noticeably slower than that on the pink dragontrail display. However on the flip side, the actual display response time (ghosting, for LCD panels) on the gorilla glass display is lower than that on the dragontrail.
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I very much doubt they use different panels. Sony has a financial partnership interest in JDI and their panels are all sourced from JDI.
Sony use proprietary backlight LED technology that is only available from JDI as an integral part of the panel.
If you have some concrete objective evidence or source, that would be "interesting". Otherwise, I think you're experiencing production tolerance spread.
Is one supposed to be superior to the other? Never heard of dragontail glass before
as long as there are no scientific tests everything is based on assumptions and gut feelings.
LenAsh said:
I very much doubt they use different panels. Sony has a financial partnership interest in JDI and their panels are all sourced from JDI.
Sony use proprietary backlight LED technology that is only available from JDI as an integral part of the panel.
If you have some concrete objective evidence or source, that would be "interesting". Otherwise, I think you're experiencing production tolerance spread.
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Sony Z1 had different panels from different sources
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2445283
also, concept of Transfer Pricing, you aren't supposed to give special favors/discounts even w/ financial relationship
Yeah, they used both goriila glass and dragontail (or whatever). Someone in the Z3C forum asked sony, and they said as much.
LenAsh said:
I very much doubt they use different panels. Sony has a financial partnership interest in JDI and their panels are all sourced from JDI.
Sony use proprietary backlight LED technology that is only available from JDI as an integral part of the panel.
If you have some concrete objective evidence or source, that would be "interesting". Otherwise, I think you're experiencing production tolerance spread.
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LOL mate, in the past Sony has used both JDI and Sharp panels. Whats to say they're not doing the same with the Z3?? Go take a look at copious threads in Z1 and Z2 forums about panel manufacturers :good:
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LOL mate, in the past Sony has used both JDI and Sharp panels. Whats to say they're not doing the same with the Z3?? Go take a look at copious threads in Z1 and Z2 forums about panel manufacturers :good:
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It may be true, or not. Fact remains we don't know. Given the remarkable USP characteristics of the Z3 panel, it would be equally remarkable that 2 suppliers were used. But not impossible, granted.
I am aware of the 2 panel manufacturers for the Z1, but nothing about the Z2 apart from early pre-release models.
Again, without factual evidence it's impossible to be certain, one way or another, and purely speculation.
My display is neither red or green whites, it has extreme blue whites. Even with adjustment I find it difficult to reduce the blue.
As for the rest of the post, can't say I have anything to add as usual lol
LenAsh said:
It may be true, or not. Fact remains we don't know. Given the remarkable USP characteristics of the Z3 panel, it would be equally remarkable that 2 suppliers were used. But not impossible, granted.
I am aware of the 2 panel manufacturers for the Z1, but nothing about the Z2 apart from early pre-release models.
Again, without factual evidence it's impossible to be certain, one way or another, and purely speculation.
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we just need the people who already rooted to check /sys/devices/mdss_dsi_panel/panel_id
I don't know if this is anything to go by but ill share anyway. I have recently noticed that if i tap the front display lightly using my finger nail and then tap the back of the phone. The glass panel on the back feels harder /more solid and makes a slightly louder noise to the tap. I also remember the display on my HTC one feeling similarly glass like as does the back panel on the z3 but the front display feels a tad more plastic but i wouldn't describe it as feeling cheap or anything! Just a little surprised by this finding as i thought bought the back and front panel used the same panels?
I have two Z3: D6633 + D6653 ( to compare camera before + after UB ). I can confirm that the screen panel are noticable different. Maybe this story same as 2 year ago with some other mobile brand like Samsung, HTC. The manufacturer just don't have much experience in screen calibration.
Zanr Zij said:
I have two Z3: D6633 + D6653 ( to compare camera before + after UB ). I can confirm that the screen panel are noticable different. Maybe this story same as 2 year ago with some other mobile brand like Samsung, HTC. The manufacturer just don't have much experience in screen calibration.
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Sir, will you open a thread about locked/unlocked picture quality? This would help many people to decide.
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GhostLeader said:
Sir, will you open a thread about locked/unlocked picture quality? This would help many people to decide.
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Of course I will.
Zanr Zij said:
I have two Z3: D6633 + D6653 ( to compare camera before + after UB ). I can confirm that the screen panel are noticable different. Maybe this story same as 2 year ago with some other mobile brand like Samsung, HTC. The manufacturer just don't have much experience in screen calibration.
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Which is better? the D6633 or the D6653..? I have the D6633 and the screen looks amazing! Way better than my z2 was. I don't use screen protectors or cases, I am VERY carful with my devices.. The only thing hitting it in my pocket is lint... My z2 had the same treatment and STILL the screen had micro scratches... Pissed me off to no end! Hope things are NOT the same with the z3.
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Which is better? the D6633 or the D6653..? I have the D6633 and the screen looks amazing! Way better than my z2 was. I don't use screen protectors or cases, I am VERY carful with my devices.. The only thing hitting it in my pocket is lint... My z2 had the same treatment and STILL the screen had micro scratches... Pissed me off to no end! Hope things are NOT the same with the z3.
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My D6633 screen is better. D6653 ( my friend's ) is too bluish. Harder to calibrate it.
As my experience, screen panel ( or screen calibration ) are random, not depend on model.
After calibrate, my D6633 is nearly same my UltraSharp monitor. I also have Note 4 (demo model N910X). Note 4 screen are sharper, more detail but Z3 are brighter and whiter. Note 4 screen are a bit yelowish.
Ahh, OK... Yeah, my d6633 screen is perfect... I was so happy as I know so many are different. My 1st z2 had a better screen than my 2nd z2 but my 1st z2 would get the micro scratchs easier ... Hope my z3 has a GG3 screen. I have a small blemish or scratch on the lens for the camera but after numerous tests, the pics still look awesome.
Whats with all the different model numbers? Its mentioned here that the D6633 display is better then the D6653 but why make one display better then the other? It doesnt make sense to me! Plus why so many different models? I have a D6603 and i have also seen a C6603
Hey guys!
I neead some pieces of advice really fast!
My nexus 6P seems to have really really bad viewing angles..basically even if i move it a little while i am typing, the keyboard color gets bluish.
Please watch this video (also please forgive the backround noise). This is my 6P. I know that the video is not of a very high quality (it was taken with my ipad 2) but you can still see the problem when i use the keyboard. It can also be seen when i try to reach the notification bar.
Here is the video:
http://youtu.be/164m5oQu9yQ
Is yours doing the same? Is it normal? Should I ask for a replacement? I am really curious if your 6P is doing the the same.
Best regards!
Anyone?
Normal normal
That is normal, as far as I am aware.
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Normal normal
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That is normal, as far as I am aware.
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Does it happen on yours as well? or on your devices with amoled sreen? I am really interested if you guys have the Nexus 6P. Also, isn't the angle when the colors shift appears too narrow?
I mean..for me it happens at the slightest angle. if I hold the phone with the keyboard open..and I shake it a bit i can see the color getting bluish..like..immediately.
Best regards!
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Does it happen on yours as well? or on your devices with amoled sreen? I am really interested if you guys have the Nexus 6P. Also, isn't the angle when the colors shift appears too narrow?
I mean..for me it happens at the slightest angle. if I hold the phone with the keyboard open..and I shake it a bit i can see the color getting bluish..like..immediately.
Best regards!
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Yeah, it's the same on my Nexus 6P. To me it's barely noticeable.
seems normal! same for me here
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Yeah, it's the same on my Nexus 6P. To me it's barely noticeable.
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When you say it's barely noticeable...you mean...you barely notice it. or it is not so obvious on your display? is mine worse thank yours..and by this I mean...does it appear on a wider angle for you? Or is it the same?
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seems normal! same for me here
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When you say it's barely noticeable...you mean...you barely notice it. or it is not so obvious on your display? is mine worse thank yours..and by this I mean...does it appear on a wider angle for you? Or is it the same?
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seems normal! same for me here
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That is normal, as far as I am aware.
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Oh..and by the way guys..did you notice the color shift on my keyboard? (just wanted to make sure if you also noticed the green tint on that)
Michael Ilie said:
When you say it's barely noticeable...you mean...you barely notice it. or it is not so obvious on your display? is mine worse thank yours..and by this I mean...does it appear on a wider angle for you? Or is it the same?
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I'd say mine looks and acts the same way yours does, it just doesn't bother me in my regular usage.
AMOLED screens generally have narrowing viewing angles than IPS LCD screens before you start seeing color shifts like that. It's the tradeoff -- along with off-color whites - that you get for having more vibrant colors/real blacks and the ability to activate only certain portions of the screen (not really explored on the 6p, but Active Display on Moto X is an example). AMOLED is considered better for videos etc because of the vibrancy/deeper blacks but LCD tends to be brighter/easier to read outdoors.
I don't consider one better than the other, just a matter of taste.
Did you come from a phone that didn't have an AMOLED display or a Samsung (anecdotal theories that the better panels get binned for them, not by me but in other threads I've read)?
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AMOLED screens generally have narrowing viewing angles than IPS LCD screens before you start seeing color shifts like that. It's the tradeoff -- along with off-color whites - that you get for having more vibrant colors/real blacks and the ability to activate only certain portions of the screen (not really explored on the 6p, but Active Display on Moto X is an example). AMOLED is considered better for videos etc because of the vibrancy/deeper blacks but LCD tends to be brighter/easier to read outdoors.
I don't consider one better than the other, just a matter of taste.
Did you come from a phone that didn't have an AMOLED display or a Samsung (anecdotal theories that the better panels get binned for them, not by me but in other threads I've read)?
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I am coming from a Galay s3...and it did not do this on it.
so you say this is normal and I should keep it?
Michael Ilie said:
I am coming from a Galay s3...and it did not do this on it.
so you say this is normal and I should keep it?
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I'm not saying it's "normal" but rather, it seems like the panels used on the 6P vary on this issue (color shift) quite a bit. I do not know if this would be considered a manufacturing defect but there have been other threads of people exchanging their phones with the same issue; they would be better equipped to advise you re: returning this particular phone.
One thing to note is that in a Reddit AMA the Nexus team confirmed that they were using the latest generation panel from Samsung, so I would expect the panels to be of the same quality as the same one in a Samsung phone.
If you are still within the return window it's up to you to exchange if it is really bothering you. Someone on Reddit was in a similar position here. Note the first reply and the two images linked angle #1 and angle #2, where one of the phones had a much more obvious shift in color when tilted.
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I'm not saying it's "normal" but rather, it seems like the panels used on the 6P vary on this issue (color shift) quite a bit. I do not know if this would be considered a manufacturing defect but there have been other threads of people exchanging their phones with the same issue; they would be better equipped to advise you re: returning this particular phone.
One thing to note is that in a Reddit AMA the Nexus team confirmed that they were using the latest generation panel from Samsung, so I would expect the panels to be of the same quality as the same one in a Samsung phone.
If you are still within the return window it's up to you to exchange if it is really bothering you. Someone on Reddit was in a similar position here. Note the first reply and the two images linked angle #1 and angle #2, where one of the phones had a much more obvious shift in color when tilted.
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I am 100% sure that the shop I bought it from will replace it for me if I ask for it. If i choose to exchange directly on their shop should they let me compare both of them and keep the one that is better?
Till now, I was under the impression that Sharp was the only supplier of the display on the Mix. But thanks to @wu5262, I've learnt that that Xiaomi has also used AU Optronics as a supplier for the display.
From the images, it looks as if the AUO screen has a cooler color temperature compared to the Sharp panel which looks warmer next to the AUO display. While I don't notice a big difference in colors or contrast from the images, I would have preferred to have that AUO display solely because I prefer displays which have a cool color temperature.
At least, the screen on my mix doesn't look warmer than the displays on my other devices. So it doesn't bother me that much. As I haven't seen a device with an AUO display, I can only comment on the Sharp panel. Even though it looks warmer in the photos below, it looks uniform and does not exhibit issues common with TFT panels like backlight bleeding or IPS glow. If you look at reviews of the LG V20 or HTC 10, both using IPS panels, you'll see that both the devices exhibit some amount of backlight bleeding.
So, as far as quality between the Sharp and AUO panel is concerned, I wouldn't say that one appears to be of a higher quality than the other. Though, this is one of those rare times when I've seen Sharp appear warmer than an AUO panel.
If anyone owned the Mi Pad, the AUO display was too yellow compared to the decent Sharp panel. At least thats not the case here.
I guess preference for warmer vs. cooler display varies from user to user. I prefer displays on the cooler side while some may hate the blueish tint and want a warmer display.
Which display panel does your Mix have? Would you have preferred one over the other? Comment below!
You can check this by using AIDA64 or going to Settings» About and tapping on kernel version a few times until the CIT interface loads.
In CIT, select Version info and scroll down to LCM Info.
You will see either Sharp fte716 or AUO fte716
Both displays are good. So there isnt anything to worry when you're buying. This thread isn't meant to show that one is better than the other. Its just to show that the AUO is factory calibrated to have a cooler (blueish) color temperature whereas the Sharp is slightly warmer compared to the AUO.
Please see the difference for yourself. Source : Link (Credits to @wu5262)
The Sharp fte716 is on the left and the AUO fte716 is the one on the right.
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As you can see, even while using the calibration settings, the AUO still appears cooler than the Sharp panel.
Side by side comparison with my Galaxy Note 4. As you can see, the display on the Mix has excellent contrast and colors for an IPS panel and you don't have to worry too much if you're coming from a QHD or AMOLED panel
AMOLED vs IPS! But I feel the Sharp display on my Mix compares well with the QHD AMOLED on my Note 4. What do you think?
The Sharp display doesn't look any warmer than the displays on my other devices like my XPS 15 or my tablets and monitors. The AUO may have a blueish tint which is why it appears cooler in the images.
This leads me to believe that Sharp has a better calibrated display as I don't feel that the display is yellowish in real usage scenarios.
While I can live with the Sharp panel, I would be devastated if I happen to see a Mi Mix using Sony or ISOCELL camera sensors!
Still like the sharp one, the Display looks way better then my oneplus 3T or even my s7e.. ^^
secXces_debaki said:
Still like the sharp one, the Display looks way better then my oneplus 3T or even my s7e.. ^^
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Better than one plus 3T sure, it's very possible.
But I find it hard to believe it's better than s7e. I don't own a s7e myself. but my wife does, and it's quite easy to notice the difference. Both colour, resolution and technology used in s7e are superior than Mix. I did owned s6plus edge before and that screen looks better than mix.
FYI, my panel is Sharp also.
But liked i said many times before, I now forget the screen difference after using the mix for a while xD. As long as I don't put 2 screen next to each other to compare, this doesn't bother me at all.
wu5262 said:
Better than one plus 3T sure, it's very possible.
But I find it hard to believe it's better than s7e. I don't own a s7e myself. but my wife does, and it's quite easy to notice the difference. Both colour, resolution and technology used in s7e are superior than Mix. I did owned s6plus edge before and that screen looks better than mix.
FYI, my panel is Sharp also.
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Yeah! The S7 Edge has one of the best displays in the market! Kinda makes me miss AMOLED so I don't want to think about it too much! I even paid about 20-30% more than the S7 Edge to get this device and now I happen to know that there is another panel. I guess, once you go AMOLED, there's no going back eh?
PS, if you ever happen to know there is another Camera sensor supplier (Sony), don't tell me!
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Yeah! The S7 Edge has one of the best displays in the market! Kinda makes me miss AMOLED so I don't want to think about it too much! I even paid about 20-30% more than the S7 Edge to get this device and now I happen to know that there is another panel. I guess, once you go AMOLED, there's no going back eh?
PS, if you ever happen to know there is another Camera sensor supplier (Sony), don't tell me!
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LOL on the camera,nothing surprises me w/any mfgs anymore.
I believe HTC has done similar w/displays on some models on their flagship HTC One devices in years past.
As for my MIX,according to the app AIDA 64,mine has the Sharp brand display.
I still have a Samsung Galaxy Note 4 for side by side comparison,& outside of the differences in the black tones
(& really not that much different IMHO),I'm quite impressed w/the overall quality of this display.
TBH,until I did a double-take & reverified that this was an LCD Display,if asked which it was,I woulda said it's an OLED/AMOLED Display...........................
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LOL on the camera,nothing surprises me w/any mfgs anymore.
I believe HTC has done similar w/displays on some models on their flagship HTC One devices in years past.
As for my MIX,according to the app AIDA 64,mine has the Sharp brand display.
I still have a Samsung Galaxy Note 4 for side by side comparison,& outside of the differences in the black tones
(& really not that much different IMHO),I'm quite impressed w/the overall quality of this display.
TBH,until I did a double-take & reverified that this was an LCD Display,if asked which it was,I woulda said it's an OLED/AMOLED Display...........................
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Yeah, you're correct. The HTC 10 used panels from Sharp and Tianma. Surprisingly, the Tianma was voted the slightly better looking panel by most people.
While I am aware that most devices that use LCD displays source panels from multiple suppliers, I didn't expect the Mix to have multiple suppliers due to the device having a custom rounded display and the device being produced in limited quantities.
But it looks like the majority have Sharp panels. The AUO may have been on pre-production units.
satishp said:
Yeah, you're correct. The HTC 10 used panels from Sharp and Tianma!
While I am aware that most devices that use LCD displays source panels from multiple suppliers, I didn't expect the Mix to have multiple suppliers due to the device having a custom rounded display and the device being produced in limited quantities.
But it looks like the majority have Sharp panels. The AUO may have been on pre-production units.
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Ya I don't know that many that has AUO screen, some of my friends in China do (2 to be exact). I think they got theirs very early so could be the early batch.
Sharp here
wu5262 said:
Ya I don't know that many that has AUO screen, some of my friends in China do (2 to be exact). I think they got theirs very early so could be the early batch.
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Someone just commented in another thread stating they've recently received one with an AUO display from Chinavasion.
Maybe Sharp is the major supplier while AUO is the backup producing a smaller quantity of panels.
satishp said:
Till now, I was under the impression that Sharp was the only supplier of the display on the Mix. But thanks to @wu5262, I've learnt that that Xiaomi has also used AU Optronics as a supplier for the display.
From the images, it looks as if the AUO screen has a cooler color temperature compared to the Sharp panel which looks warmer next to the AUO display. While I don't notice a big difference in colors or contrast from the images, I would have preferred to have that AUO display solely because I prefer displays which have a cool color temperature.
At least, the screen on my mix doesn't look warmer than the displays on my other devices. So it doesn't bother me that much. As I haven't seen a device with an AUO display, I can only comment on the Sharp panel. Even though it looks warmer in the photos below, it looks uniform and does not exhibit issues common with TFT panels like backlight bleeding or IPS glow. If you look at reviews of the LG V20 or HTC 10, both using IPS panels, you'll see that both the devices exhibit some amount of backlight bleeding.
So, as far as quality between the Sharp and AUO panel is concerned, I wouldn't say that one appears to be of a higher quality than the other. Though, this is one of those rare times when I've seen Sharp appear warmer than an AUO panel.
If anyone owned the Mi Pad, the AUO display was too yellow compared to the decent Sharp panel. At least thats not the case here.
I guess preference for warmer vs. cooler display varies from user to user. I prefer displays on the cooler side while some may hate the blueish tint and want a warmer display.
Which display panel does your Mix have? Would you have preferred one over the other? Comment below!
Please see the difference for yourself. Source : Link (Credits to @wu5262)
The Sharp fte716 is on the left and the AUO fte716 is the one on the right.
As you can see, even while using the calibration settings, the AUO still appears cooler than the Sharp panel.
Side by side comparison with my Galaxy Note 4. As you can see, the display on the Mix has excellent contrast and colors for an IPS panel and you don't have to worry too much if you're coming from a QHD or AMOLED panel
AMOLED vs IPS! But I feel the Sharp display on my Mix compares well with the QHD AMOLED on my Note 4. What do you think?
The Sharp display doesn't look any warmer than the displays on my other devices like my XPS 15 or my tablets and monitors. The AUO may have a blueish tint which is why it appears cooler in the images.
This leads me to believe that Sharp has a better calibrated display as I don't feel that the display is yellowish in real usage scenarios.
While I can live with the Sharp panel, I would be devastated if I happen to see a Mi Mix using Sony or ISOCELL camera sensors!
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Please delete the picture of your nails.... Why did you post that?!
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Please delete the picture of your nails.... Why did you post that?!
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Nails? Where? I don't see any!
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Nails? Where? I don't see any!
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This one.
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This one.
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Oh my! That's not even my hand! Guess its some random pic which popped up from TinyPic, the image hosting website. How do I remove it? Because I don't see it on my post. Most of the images other than the Note 4 comparison are images borrowed from the Chinese Xiaomi forum.
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Oh my! That's not even my hand! Guess its some random pic which popped up from TinyPic, the image hosting website. How do I remove it? Because I don't see it on my post. Most of the images other than the Note 4 comparison are images borrowed from the Chinese Xiaomi forum.
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I see it on the XDA app. I have never seen that before tho.
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I see it on the XDA app. I have never seen that before tho.
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Do you think Tinypic may have allocated my image URL to someone's upload? In that case it may have overwritten the original photo. Strangely, I dont see it on mine. The post is now open on my phone and PC, I dont see the image of the nail.
If you can point me to the exact link of that image, I will try to remove it. I guess when you quote my post to reply, you can see the links to all the images. Kindly post the exact link so that I can remove it.
I would have done this myself but I cant figure out which one it is as I dont get any images of the nail.
EDIT: I think this is some bug with the XDA app as I don't see any images of nails on any of my devices, even on the XDA app. I have also checked the links to all the images uploaded and still no nails! But if you can help me with the reason why the image is showing up, it would be very helpful.
Thank you.
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Do you think Tinypic may have allocated my image URL to someone's upload? In that case it may have overwritten the original photo. Strangely, I dont see it on mine. The post is now open on my phone and PC, I dont see the image of the nail.
If you can point me to the exact link of that image, I will try to remove it. I guess when you quote my post to reply, you can see the links to all the images. Kindly post the exact link so that I can remove it.
I would have done this myself but I cant figure out which one it is as I dont get any images of the nail.
EDIT: I think this is some bug with the XDA app as I don't see any images of nails on any of my devices, even on the XDA app. I have also checked the links to all the images uploaded and still no nails! But if you can help me with the reason why the image is showing up, it would be very helpful.
Thank you.
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It is now gone :silly:
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It is now gone :silly:
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Ah! Guess it was some bug with the Image hosting site then. Strange!
So did you check which panel your Mix has?
EDIT : I just saw the picture of the nails when I refreshed the page and realized that it was appearing in place of the image with the hot air balloons.
So I've removed the image of the hot air balloons for now! And thanks for pointing this out! Its definitely something to do with Tinypic's hosting!
Where do I find the information on which display the phone has? I would like to check that when inspecting a phone a person has for sale.
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Where do I find the information on which display the phone has? I would like to check that when inspecting a phone a person has for sale.
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You can do this by using AIDA64 or going to Settings» About and tapping on kernel version a few times until the CIT interface loads.
In CIT, select Version info and scroll down to LCM Info.
You will see either Sharp fte716 or AUO fte716
Both displays are good. So there isnt anything to worry when you're buying. This thread isn't meant to show that one is better than the other. Its just to show that the AUO is factory calibrated to have a cooler (blueish) color temperature whereas the Sharp is slightly warmer compared to the AUO.
I say warmer compared to the AUO display because it looks neutral\natural to me when compared to the devices I have. This leads me to believe that the Sharp display is better calibrated.
Though some may prefer the cooler AUO more pleasing.
satishp said:
You can do this by using AIDA64 or going to Settings» About and tapping on kernel version a few times until the CIT interface loads.
In CIT, select Version info and scroll down to LCM Info.
You will see either Sharp fte716 or AUO fte716
Both displays are good. So there isnt anything to worry when you're buying. This thread isn't meant to show that one is better than the other. Its just to show that the AUO is factory calibrated to have a cooler (blueish) color temperature whereas the Sharp is slightly warmer compared to the AUO.
I say warmer compared to the AUO display because it looks neutral\natural to me when compared to the devices I have. This leads me to believe that the Sharp display is better calibrated.
Though some may prefer the cooler AUO more pleasing.
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Personally, I prefer the cooler calibrated display, which is why I asked. I'd probably compare it against my Nexus 6P to see if I could tolerate it, which ever display the one I get to see in person has.