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I was surprised when I hooked the phone up to my wd live plus on a 720p tv and saw the quality (for what it was, a cellphone). Here's a couple links of the test shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frbT3hs3KYc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmFQe40w4UQ
It sure beats the crap outta the moment's camera.
Sorry about the settings. I recorded in 720 but it's only going as high as 480 when I play it back. This is my first time uploading video to youtube so I don't know all the ins and outs.
awesome quality videos man.,.. i commented
youtube likes to convert it to low res for compatability, and after about 30-40 mins it will have the HD vers
Here's a video test indoor looking out a window at 720p. Figure it's semi on topic. I'm pretty impressed by the epic's camera.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIwnQDCzwko
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Here's a video test indoor looking out a window at 720p. Figure it's semi on topic. I'm pretty impressed by the epic's camera.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIwnQDCzwko
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****in AMAZING
I should record the same thing at the same time, side by side with the evo and epic. I don't know how to do that neat effect of either splitting both in half and paste one half on the other. I suppose an easier thing would be full video side by side at the same time. I erl have to find out how that effect is done.
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i will try to do a side by side comparison of the 2 devices.. you have to do some type of adapter so you can record both at the same time. Lets see what i can do. and hope that i dont loss quality in the conversion
What surprises me is that there doesn't seem to be much difference between 480 and 720 record modes. I shot a quick video showing my new roller rockers on my car with the epic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWJBtAfs3CQ
It takes pretty good video I think.
Lanikai beach in hawaii w/ epic 4g. I figured i'd post this on XDA forums too, sorry about the sound it's only windy at the start. This was just a quick test to see how clear it was without changing any settings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV6PiSqDhfU&hd=1
I saw one review in YouTube which concluded that the v20 video ois wasn't as good as...(I can't remember which phone it was comparing it to)...But I just remembered it now....I took a video of my daughter's performance and I noticed it was...shaking or vibrating in some parts because my hand wasn't steady.
Vibrating seems the better description.
Anyways...I did some testing by taking videos and walking around..and from what I can conclude, taking videos as fhd produces that vibrating effect while taking aa video at fhd 60 was prefect.
Wish I knew that before I recorded my daughter's performance....
It was a video comparing to a Pixel. Pretty sad the OIS is worthless.
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Noticed the poor IS. Wasn't happy about it. Hoping the fix it. I usually shoot 24-30fps which is supposed to be the sweet spot. No IS at full 4K which is expected. Tells me they're using EIS or basically just frame cropping in other words. It's what YouTube will apply to a video if you ask it. Wish they gave us an option to turn off all IS though so we can see just how well it really is working. I know I have shaky hands so maybe the little shaking I see is a massive improvement. Although, I guess I should try shooting 1080 with it on and 4K which has it off and see how different it is. Also, loud noise like video of certain bands seems to rattle the IS.
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It was a video comparing to a Pixel. Pretty sad the OIS is worthless.
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Yes the exact same jittery video hastened to me. But changing the video resolution one up gave me a prefect video. Maybe that's why the other video tests show the v20 as best.
I tried to use the V20 for a semi-professional video but it was no good. I had it on a gimbal to ensure it was very smooth, but the shots were "warbly". It was subtle, but made the footage unusable. I played back frame by frame in Premiere Pro and had a hard time pin pointing just what it was. It was like a jitter of some kind. I was shooting FHD 1080p 60 fps. I had to shoot at 60 fps to make it slow motion when I edited it.
I've been using the Galaxy S8 Plus until I received my solar red U11 yesterday (glad I waited, it's very nice looking). Anyway, I am very impressed with the photo image quality of the phone (it is very comparable to the S8), but I have a few nitpicks about the video recording:
1) No 1080p/60 mode. I really don't understand why it doesn't have a 60fps mode when even phones from 2016 had it? It has 1080p/30 and 1080p/120 (for slow motion), so why no 1080/60? Is it overheating concern?
2) No way to turn of EIS in 1080p video recording mode? While 1080p is very stable due to its combined OIS and EIS, it also crops the view significantly when recording video in this mode (compare it to 4k, which is quite a bit wider but has no EIS). Anyway, the EIS is nice if you want that, but I think there needs to be a toggle or option to turn off EIS and have the wide recording mode in 1080p that is like the 4k mode. As it stands, there does not appear to be a way to change this.
3) 6 minute recording limit in 4k. I guess it's also due to overheating concerns, but why not just make it unlimited and have the phone's temperature monitoring stop recording automatically if it gets to a certain temp? Some people are reporting overheating stoppages even before the 6 minutes, but in cooler environments, we may be able to record indefinitely in 4k.
Things I DO like about the U11's camera though...
1) Photo app and quality are excellent. Nice Pro mode too.
2) Glad I can lock exposure and focus during video recording very easily.
3) Focusing pulling with the touch screen is very nice on the U11 (it doesn't rock back and forth when focusing like many other phone cameras).
4) Audio recording options are very nice (3d audio vs hi-res, and acoustic focus)
https://www.xda-developers.com/htc-u11-updates-srgb-1080p60/
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https://www.xda-developers.com/htc-u11-updates-srgb-1080p60/
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Thanks! It's good to see that they are working on adding 1080p/60, though it appears to be a ways off.
Another thing that bothers me (when compared to the S8 or iPhone 7) is that I can't seem to take a photo while recording in 4k. I'm not sure if that's a software or hardware limitation, but I used that all the time on those phones. I really like using the squeeze to open the camera, take a photo, and switch between front and rear cameras though!
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Thanks! It's good to see that they are working on adding 1080p/60, though it appears to be a ways off.
Another thing that bothers me (when compared to the S8 or iPhone 7) is that I can't seem to take a photo while recording in 4k. I'm not sure if that's a software or hardware limitation, but I used that all the time on those phones. I really like using the squeeze to open the camera, take a photo, and switch between front and rear cameras though!
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Try Open Camera on XDA, it works shooting 1080P without EIS and no time length limitation on 4K.
I've also see the same issue on the HTC 10 in regards to the 4k and taking a photo while recording if you can call it an issue. I suppose no one had complained about it and they left it unchanged
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Try Open Camera on XDA, it works shooting 1080P without EIS and no time length limitation on 4K.
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It's a nice camera app, thanks. Tried various settings in the app for video recording. Looks like no matter what framerate you choose, it can't go above 30fps. I thought maybe it would let me shoot 1080p/60, but nope (even when setting it to 60fps, it still records at 30). Also doesn't seem to be a way to take a photo while shooting video in this app? Nice that you can shoot longer than 6 minutes in 4k though (I didn't try it yet, but I assume it works).
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I've also see the same issue on the HTC 10 in regards to the 4k and taking a photo while recording if you can call it an issue. I suppose no one had complained about it and they left it unchanged
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I call it an "issue" only because I have come to expect it when shooting video now. In fact, I used it quite frequently on my iPhone and Galaxy S8. Being able to take a photo without interrupting the video recording is a pretty important feature, in my opinion. I suppose one could load up the video in software and capture a frame manually, but it's a feature that other flagships have, so I miss it.
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It's a nice camera app, thanks. Tried various settings in the app for video recording. Looks like no matter what framerate you choose, it can't go above 30fps. I thought maybe it would let me shoot 1080p/60, but nope (even when setting it to 60fps, it still records at 30). Also doesn't seem to be a way to take a photo while shooting video in this app? Nice that you can shoot longer than 6 minutes in 4k though (I didn't try it yet, but I assume it works).
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60fps will come with one of the next OTA updates.
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I call it an "issue" only because I have come to expect it when shooting video now. In fact, I used it quite frequently on my iPhone and Galaxy S8. Being able to take a photo without interrupting the video recording is a pretty important feature, in my opinion. I suppose one could load up the video in software and capture a frame manually, but it's a feature that other flagships have, so I miss it.
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Indeed, my old year 2012 HTC One S supported shooting FHD video and taking a real photo at the same time and I owned a Galaxy S6 support that feature too. However, I think during 4K recording that no phone could take a real photo, all they do is just capture a frame from video clip and pretend that is a photo.
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Indeed, my old year 2012 HTC One S supported shooting FHD video and taking a real photo at the same time and I owned a Galaxy S6 support that feature too. However, I think during 4K recording that no phone could take a real photo, all they do is just capture a frame from video clip and pretend that is a photo.
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Right, I understand it's not an actual "photo" at the highest resolution, but I would still like the convenience of capturing a frame during 4k video recording like I can on all of the other flagships phones.
Wow I'm glad I found this post, I thought I was going crazy with the issues you mentioned, especially the cropped 1080p video! I hope they can fix that with the 60fps update, because it is really annoying.
Hi, 60fps still not possible?
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Hi, 60fps still not possible?
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1080p60 is being introduced in stock ROMs with versions 1.26 and higher.
Do you know if EIS for 4k video is planned? Thinking about buying the U11 instead of the much too expensive Pixel 2, but the lack of EIS in this case is a bit of a bummer.
Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Good stabilisation and auto focus, not much more to say
4k video awful. Stutters and judders whenever you move. FHD+ not much better. Quality is also not sharp. A massive let down here.
Video quality not good terrible jittering ,i expecting more from this expensive phone
price asked has nothing to do with quality there are 200$ phones with crisp 4k video on the market
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4k video awful. Stutters and judders whenever you move. FHD+ not much better. Quality is also not sharp. A massive let down here.
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I got exact same feelings. The video quality is a bad joke...
Keeping my fingers crossed for a software update soon!
I spend a good hour at huawei booth and just couldn't get an explanation why there were jitters and dropped frames at 60 fps especially when panning. Also, 4k had few dropped frames and jitters but there was some sort of warping/bending at the sides of the screen. Again , no explanation.
So wanted to get this phone and am hoping someone has some answers why (perhaps it's ok when exported to pc?) or maybe some setting i'm not aware of?
Same here. Video quality suck and it always want to brighten the video when shot in a sligthly dark room. Hopefully there will be a fix but meanwhile snapchat app actually records better video than the default huawei app... Thats kind of embarrassing for huawei. It seems to be a sofwareissue.
Do anyone know any good external camera app to use?
Any one have the same problem like me.
No sound when making a video. When I restart the phone than sound comes back , but after a few more videos no more. I have now library of movies with no sound.
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Same here. Video quality suck and it always want to brighten the video when shot in a sligthly dark room. Hopefully there will be a fix but meanwhile snapchat app actually records better video than the default huawei app... Thats kind of embarrassing for huawei. It seems to be a sofwareissue.
Do anyone know any good external camera app to use?
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I'm using Cinema FV5, it's having a lot of manual settings, so I was able to shoot a video which looks quite more natural in low light.
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I am not happy with video recording, pro mode options are limited and there's no dynamic control option i.e., you can't change settings while recording video other than zoom and focus. lot of pixel dropping in 4K, stabilization is good though, 146 has tweaked it well. another thing i noticed is long exposure shots with ISO 50 are giving lots of white dots or burnt pixels which are spoiling the photo shots. this means camera photo-detectors are not well ventilated for heat dissipation. also some of the features that Huawei boasted about such as cinematic mode are useless, low light videos are horrible...
only photo quality is good.
Slow mo
Hey guys, second post around... I've been testing super slow mo (960 fps) but the quality is a bit rubbish, the lense is the same as far as i know, and at 120 fps it takes good video, despite blurring everything at 0.6x... Do you have the same problem? Is there something I'm missing about slow motion video? Thanks!
Slow Motion is far better in Note 9. Big disappoint on Video recording on M20 Pro
Photos are great, Videos recorded are worse than $200 phone
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Slow Motion is far better in Note 9.
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I feel the same.
But both on Note 9 and Mate 20 Pro, the lack of manual focus on slow motion is sad. I lose lots and lots of opportunity for nice slowmo videos because they are out of focus (e.g., looking out the winodow of a moving train when entering the station). Simply being able to lock the focus would make it awesome.
4K video works fine for me
As long as you move smoothly the video is very nice as long as you are outside in good light. But first remember to use "performance mode". This is very important! Of corse the stabilization is not as good as in full HD;
4k30fps is not the way to go for smooth footage with any movement involved, let's hope the market still cares about Huawei in 2k20 until kirin 990 comes along
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I feel the same.
But both on Note 9 and Mate 20 Pro, the lack of manual focus on slow motion is sad. I lose lots and lots of opportunity for nice slowmo videos because they are out of focus (e.g., looking out the winodow of a moving train when entering the station). Simply being able to lock the focus would make it awesome.
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If you shoot video a lot, download Filmic Pro. It gives you full control on the camera. You'll be able to lock the focus and the exposure. Keep in mind that shooting 960fps video requires lots of lighting otherwise blur effect. The S9 has the same "issue". It is not an issue in fact it's just how it goes even for professional. Slow motion with bad lighting is a bad idea. Hope it helps
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4k30fps is not the way to go for smooth footage with any movement involved, let's hope the market still cares about Huawei in 2k20 until kirin 990 comes along
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It depends a lot on what you shoot. and what texture you are looking for in your final footage. For more cinematic videos many will recommend 24fps. For slow motion high framerate. Shooting in 60fps you'll get a texture close to "real life". Hope it helps
How's the effect compared with iPhone and Samsung?
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How's the effect compared with iPhone and Samsung?
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Video recording in Iphone XSMax are gorgeous, better than Mate 20 Pro period. For Samsung S10 I don't know but my guess is that they are both better than Mate 20 Pro. Mate 20 Pro just do the work
the video recording quality is quite the disaster. i hope it is fixed in an update some point soon. i'm pretty sure my zte a7 has better video quality....sadly...
Hi, I don't know how but it is happening something weird with my camera.
Yesterday it was recording a video in 4K at 60fps and I zoomed to focus on a specific object which was on the table.
After having recorded video I watched it again and noticed that in moment of the video when I focused on the object, this object was out of sight, out of the shooting of the video.
To be specific I could only see part of this object. It seems absurd to me because when I took the video, the object was in the center of the screen
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Hi, I don't know how but it is happening something weird with my camera.
Yesterday it was recording a video in 4K at 60fps and I zoomed to focus on a specific object which was on the table.
After having recorded video I watched it again and noticed that in moment of the video when I focused on the object, this object was out of sight, out of the shooting of the video.
To be specific I could only see part of this object. It seems absurd to me because when I took the video, the object was in the center of the screen
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Hello, I just read you and I was very surprised, the exact same problem happens to me, when I record a video at 60 FPS in 4k with the zoom at maximum, when viewing the video you do not see what I have recorded.
The worst and most curious thing is that they have already changed my device 2 times and in all of them the same problem occurs, I have only found 2 more people who have the same problem.
The first phone that they changed me was in Amazon which is where I originally bought it, later, since they no longer wanted to change it, I contacted OnePlus directly where they changed the camera module 2 times and since the problem was not solved they gave me another new phone but my surprise is that the same problem keeps happening which leads me to think that it is a general problem in all or a series of devices.
I returned to claim oneplus and they asked me for tests, I sent several videos where the problem is clearly seen and they say that the technicians do not see anything strange which is false.
The problem happens with or without zoom but with zoom it is more evident, I have recorded things in motion such as a helicopter, a boat or cars among other things and then they are not seen in the recording, it is as if the camera that records the video does not is the one that shows the image on the screen when recording the video.
Try it but if the problem you have is the same as mine, it will also happen to you in the photos if you pay attention.
I already opened a thread on xda but was surprised no one seems to have this problem, only one here and one on the official OnePlus forum.
I am thinking of suing OnePlus because it does not want to recognize the failure of a device that in my case cost me € 1000.
I hope we can find a solution but I am afraid that the problem is not software and is a more serious failure.
Make sure the lens are clean and the case if any doesn't interfere. Do not use 3rd party lense protectors.
Try clearing system cache.
Try clearing cam data.
A hard reset is a waste of time but a hard reboot might help.
Hard reboots shouldn't be needed and indicate a potential software/firmware/hardware issue.
Make them resolve this issue or refund your money... or live with the limitations.
I noticed the same thing when the camera is filming at 60fps. I read about it somewhere on xda as well, but I don't remember where.
It's as though the viewfinder is showing the image pre-stabilize, but the capture is stabilized and therefore is at a slightly different angle.
I figured it's really only an issue if i zoom in a lot, since what I'm filming can get completely out of frame. for those kind of shots i switch to 30fps, where the viewfinder shows exactly what is being captured.
I found the issue to be present in both 1080p and 4k 60fps.
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I didn't notice the post by @vrg3030 when i posted this lol
In this video you can clearly see what my problem is, when I record the letters on the screen then the image is shifted towards the center and when you are recording something in motion it is impossible to capture something like a car for example.
When I record the car centered on the screen then I see a small part of the car even not seen.
For me it is a serious problem sincerely because it limits a lot the possibilities of the camera and it is clear that it is a manufacturing fault.
To be able to record something in motion, you have to do it without focusing on what you want to record and that should not be the case and less on a € 1000 smartphone in my case.
I also have to say that when I updated to Android 11 it happened the opposite, in the video the letters are seen in the center and in Android 11 the letters disappear because they go up ..... incredible but true
So strange looks like it's being cropped.
Could this be a stabilization technique used similar to Google photos and YouTube which matches on screen content and shifts the frames to eliminate shake?
Then the resulting video capture crops the video as the edges which would have been uneven and changing edges?
Just a theory but would make sense.
A test for this would be to make a video in the same way but use a tripod to Trotsky eliminate shake, use a delay.
Obviously I'm not suggesting using a tripod all the time but it may result in the proposed video you see through the viewfinder
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So strange looks like it's being cropped.
Could this be a stabilization technique used similar to Google photos and YouTube which matches on screen content and shifts the frames to eliminate shake?
Then the resulting video capture crops the video as the edges which would have been uneven and changing edges?
Just a theory but would make sense.
A test for this would be to make a video in the same way but use a tripod to Trotsky eliminate shake, use a delay.
Obviously I'm not suggesting using a tripod all the time but it may result in the proposed video you see through the viewfinder
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In the recording it is seen that I am using a tripod on the OnePlus 8 at the time I perform the test.
Obviously the one with which I record the video is not on a tripod, anyway although the OnePlus 8 worked well with a tripod it cannot be that it has to be used to record videos at 4k 60fps with zoom.
And as I said before, if what I am trying to record is in motion, it would not be seen on the screen as the letters appear on the video.
The letters are visible because they are static and that video is before updating to Android 11, after updating it happens the opposite, the letters disappear from the screen because they go up, it's crazy
I have done the test recording the same with the OnePlus 8 Pro, Samsung note 20 Ultra and Galaxy S20 ultra and the problem is only me, I have sent several videos recording static and moving targets to OnePlus and they say they do not see anything abnormal ..... Seriously?
All the people who see the videos and my friends who test the smartphone clearly see the problem and they do not hahaha anyway ..... I am studying taking legal action
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In the recording it is seen that I am using a tripod on the OnePlus 8 at the time I perform the test.
Obviously the one with which I record the video is not on a tripod, anyway although the OnePlus 8 worked well with a tripod it cannot be that it has to be used to record videos at 4k 60fps with zoom.
And as I said before, if what I am trying to record is in motion, it would not be seen on the screen as the letters appear on the video.
The letters are visible because they are static and that video is before updating to Android 11, after updating it happens the opposite, the letters disappear from the screen because they go up, it's crazy
I have done the test recording the same with the OnePlus 8 Pro, Samsung note 20 Ultra and Galaxy S20 ultra and the problem is only me, I have sent several videos recording static and moving targets to OnePlus and they say they do not see anything abnormal ..... Seriously?
All the people who see the videos and my friends who test the smartphone clearly see the problem and they do not hahaha anyway ..... I am studying taking legal action
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Ok so the text on screen, where does that come from??
Is that something you've added?
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Ok so the text on screen, where does that come from??
Is that something you've added?
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I am recording a 50 "television where there is a YouTube video paused and I am recording it with the OnePlus 8 Pro on a tripod one meter from the screen and the video you see is recorded with a Realme X2 I do not know if I explain well, i'm not english speaking sorry.
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I am recording a 50 "television where there is a YouTube video paused and I am recording it with the OnePlus 8 Pro on a tripod one meter from the screen and the video you see is recorded with a Realme X2 I do not know if I explain well, i'm not english speaking sorry.
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Lol dw. Ok so the text is on screen that's fine. I'll give it a test later myself . Just watching the football
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I am recording a 50 "television where there is a YouTube video paused and I am recording it with the OnePlus 8 Pro on a tripod one meter from the screen and the video you see is recorded with a Realme X2 I do not know if I explain well, i'm not english speaking sorry.
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I've just turned grid on, then recorded in 4k 60fps with HDR off and put the center point out the grid on a picture on my wall then recorded, zoomed in, zoomed out then played back, my starting lens was the centre one.
Retried with the most zoomed out lens and repeated.
Image in the center remains in the center throughout.
I'm on OOS 11.0.2.2
If it's switching lenses then I'm not seeing it
Edit: also placed a piece of blu tac over the center of the screen to confirm and it does indeed remain central
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I've just turned grid on, then recorded in 4k 60fps with HDR off and put the center point out the grid on a picture on my wall then recorded, zoomed in, zoomed out then played back, my starting lens was the centre one.
Retried with the most zoomed out lens and repeated.
Image in the center remains in the center throughout.
I'm on OOS 11.0.2.2
If it's switching lenses then I'm not seeing it
Edit: also placed a piece of blu tac over the center of the screen to confirm and it does indeed remain central
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Thanks for doing the test, you have reminded me of something talking about the change between lenses, I think the failure may be related to that although I do not understand much about this topic.
If you don't mind by having time, try to record some moving object such as a car for example that is about 150 meters or so and then check if you see it correctly centered
In this video I recorded a ship that passed in front of me with the zoom and the only moment that I could see entirety in the video is when it passed in front of me because obviously at some point the ship passes in front of all the lenses and they capture it entirely but in the moment that has already overtaken me and I begin to follow it, the problem begins.
It is as if the lens that shows me the image on the screen when recording the video is not the same as the one that records the video, it is recorded by one of the 2 next to it
In the video do not use the zoom to the maximum and you can see clearly what I say, with the zoom to the maximum it would not have been seen and I assure you that when I was recording the video the boat was completely visible
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Thanks for doing the test, you have reminded me of something talking about the change between lenses, I think the failure may be related to that although I do not understand much about this topic.
If you don't mind by having time, try to record some moving object such as a car for example that is about 150 meters or so and then check if you see it correctly centered
In this video I recorded a ship that passed in front of me with the zoom and the only moment that I could see entirety in the video is when it passed in front of me because obviously at some point the ship passes in front of all the lenses and they capture it entirely but in the moment that has already overtaken me and I begin to follow it, the problem begins.
It is as if the lens that shows me the image on the screen when recording the video is not the same as the one that records the video, it is recorded by one of the 2 next to it
In the video do not use the zoom to the maximum and you can see clearly what I say, with the zoom to the maximum it would not have been seen and I assure you that when I was recording the video the boat was completely visible
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That's when it goes past X3 zoom you can see a small stutter.
Will have a go at it, it's midnight here, sorry probs tomorrow.
I'd be almost certain that this doesn't happen on GCam, unless it alters the lenses.
Has anyone found a solution?