I am all ready to root/flash custom roms ignoring knox counter for my note 3. I have read that just rooting the this device disables or breaks functions like screen mirroring etc. I have used previously Note 2 and S3 and rooted flashed them n number of times but never heard this.
If yes what are the other functions that may get disabled or broken? I like and use allshare (Samsung link) all the time. Does it also gets disabled?
Regards,
Screen mirroring gets broken from custom kernel, not Root AFAIK, as for other things, well KNOX doesn't work that's about it.
semantsen said:
I am all ready to root/flash custom roms ignoring knox counter for my note 3. I have read that just rooting the this device disables or breaks functions like screen mirroring etc. I have used previously Note 2 and S3 and rooted flashed them n number of times but never heard this.
If yes what are the other functions that may get disabled or broken? I like and use allshare (Samsung link) all the time. Does it also gets disabled?
Regards,
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I think screen mirroring gets disabled pretty much when knox flag gets disabled (non-stock kernel/recovery mostly).
Just rooting should not disable that (unless maybe if you trigger knox), but might disable programs that check for root (like some banking apps) - but now there is an xposed module even for that
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hello guys
I have N9005 Galaxy Note 3
latest UK NG1 rom installed, i found a method of rooting without tempering knox status
but is there any method of install custom recovery without changing knox status
and what are other disadvantages of knox 0x1 except warranty, as my phone doesnt have local warranty
You can't install a custom recovery or custom kernel without tripping knox.
Knox is not necessarily for warranty but rather for the knox "app" on your phone. Knox is like having two phones in one. If you run the knox app you will see a separate android environment that is considered secure and you can install apps etc in there. People use this knox environment with their work email etc. Typically, if you use your phone and leave a company for example, they will remotely wipe your phone. In this case, only the Knox partition is wiped and your personal phone side remains untouched.
Tripping Knox tells people that Knox's security is not guaranteed anymore and Knox ceases to function on that phone.
If you've never used knox and don't have a need for it, tripping it won't harm you.
Another alternative is safe strap. This lets you use something that looks nearly identical to a custom recovery (with similar functions), but it was created for phones that can't write over their recovery partition. The AT&T and Verizon US phones have a version that works well. The AT&T safestrap works on the T-Mobile Note 3 and might work on your version. Research it and see if it works for you.
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You can't install a custom recovery or custom kernel without tripping knox.
Knox is not necessarily for warranty but rather for the knox "app" on your phone. Knox is like having two phones in one. If you run the knox app you will see a separate android environment that is considered secure and you can install apps etc in there. People use this knox environment with their work email etc. Typically, if you use your phone and leave a company for example, they will remotely wipe your phone. In this case, only the Knox partition is wiped and your personal phone side remains untouched.
Tripping Knox tells people that Knox's security is not guaranteed anymore and Knox ceases to function on that phone.
If you've never used knox and don't have a need for it, tripping it won't harm you.
Another alternative is safe strap. This lets you use something that looks nearly identical to a custom recovery (with similar functions), but it was created for phones that can't write over their recovery partition. The AT&T and Verizon US phones have a version that works well. The AT&T safestrap works on the T-Mobile Note 3 and might work on your version. Research it and see if it works for you.
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It's nice to see a good, informative response to questions regarding knox.
effortless said:
You can't install a custom recovery or custom kernel without tripping knox.
Knox is not necessarily for warranty but rather for the knox "app" on your phone. Knox is like having two phones in one. If you run the knox app you will see a separate android environment that is considered secure and you can install apps etc in there. People use this knox environment with their work email etc. Typically, if you use your phone and leave a company for example, they will remotely wipe your phone. In this case, only the Knox partition is wiped and your personal phone side remains untouched.
Tripping Knox tells people that Knox's security is not guaranteed anymore and Knox ceases to function on that phone.
If you've never used knox and don't have a need for it, tripping it won't harm you.
Another alternative is safe strap. This lets you use something that looks nearly identical to a custom recovery (with similar functions), but it was created for phones that can't write over their recovery partition. The AT&T and Verizon US phones have a version that works well. The AT&T safestrap works on the T-Mobile Note 3 and might work on your version. Research it and see if it works for you.
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Efficient and adequate communication Very helpful.
Hi all, im thinking about rooting my phone and i dont mind tripping the knox counter.
I wondered if the tracing still works using the find my mobile site from samsung?
Knox is really succesful because if you enable it they cant hard reset your phone or root it do remove the tracing, right?
So is there any possibility to have the same functionality after rooting?
Wally93 said:
Hi all, im thinking about rooting my phone and i dont mind tripping the knox counter.
I wondered if the tracing still works using the find my mobile site from samsung?
Knox is really succesful because if you enable it they cant hard reset your phone or root it do remove the tracing, right?
So is there any possibility to have the same functionality after rooting?
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You can still trace it after root via Samsung. Idk about the reactivation lock tough becouse u need to disable that before rooting
Racinghart91 said:
You can still trace it after root via Samsung. Idk about the reactivation lock tough becouse u need to disable that before rooting
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I'd like to know the same thing, when rooted and on stock recovery: reactivation lock enabled;
Will it still ask for Samsung credentials if reset from system?
Will it still ask for Samsung credentials if reset by bootloader?
Will it still ask for Samsung credentials if flashed via PC?
Kind regards, Stefan.
I tried the tracker at the Samsung site yesterday. It didn't find my rooted phone, didn't make the phone ring etc,
I was just relying on cellular data for the connection (no WiFi or GPS).
Maybe it was a one off.
Hello all,
This is my first Samsung device, the Galaxy S7 Edge Dual sim (SM-G935FD) bought from UAE.
I used to install TWRP and root every android phone I had before, so I am still not sure whether to root this one. I already have the files required for rooting, but I noticed that there are 2 ways of rooting:
1. Using Odin to install TWRP and then from there install SuperSU.
2. CF-Auto-Root.
What is/are the difference(s) in both methods?
My other question is: I read that rooting will trip Knox, and there is NO WAY to get it back to normal even flashing the original ROM. Is that the case?
One last thing, I am now stuck in the download mode (turned off the phone, pressed "Volume down", "Home" and "Power"), I did that just to check the info on the top left (model and warranty void...) but I cannot seem to restart the phone even by pressing the power button for more than 20 seconds, how can I turn the phone off then back on?
Thank you
*****EDIT*****
Regarding my last question (stuck in Download mode), pressing the same combination got me back to start the phone normally
Cf-AutoRoot will root your phone but then you will have to put your recovery on also usually flashed with Odin anyway or an app if it's working for the Galaxy S7... Twrp plus superuser will root and you'll have the recovery installed.... They both will trip your official (0x0) knox and make it (0x1) custom.... You can always go back to stock rom and get OTA updates but your knox will remain at 0x1......this is supposed to void the warranty but depending on where you live it won't make a difference.... Also if you want to flash roms and mods and kernels just use the twrp method and if you just want root and to be able to use root permission apps use the Cf-AutoRoot.... As of right now I haven't rooted because there aren't to many Roms available... I'm sure I will cause I miss titanium backup and the ability to get rid of all the bloat ware (especially Facebook & Microsoft ****).... The phone runs great without root and battery is excellent.... The last reason I was waiting was Samsung pay won't work with tripped Knox counter.... I live in the US but have the international 935F... So it doesn't look like this variant will support Pay anytime soon.... Probably gonna root when development picks up a little....
*edit*... Always have a stock rom just in case saved to your computer just in case... That would of saved me lots of freak outs and headaches years ago... Now it's the first thing I do before Rooting or flashing anything to my phone
Galaxy S7 edge
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Cf-AutoRoot will root your phone but then you will have to put your recovery on also usually flashed with Odin anyway or an app if it's working for the Galaxy S7... Twrp plus superuser will root and you'll have the recovery installed.... They both will trip your official (0x0) knox and make it (0x1) custom.... You can always go back to stock rom and get OTA updates but your knox will remain at 0x1......this is supposed to void the warranty but depending on where you live it won't make a difference.... Also if you want to flash roms and mods and kernels just use the twrp method and if you just want root and to be able to use root permission apps use the Cf-AutoRoot
Galaxy S7 edge
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Thank you for the detailed reply.
I made a research yesterday on Knox (as I said, this is my first Samsung device), and I just wanted to make sure that I understood things properly.
So now after reading, tripping Knox will disable Samsung Pay (I do not have it in my country) so that is not going to make any difference. But, what about paying using the fingerprint sensor in Google Play, will it stop working if Knox is tripped? I also use the fingerprint sensor to login to my mobile banking app (instead of typing the password every time I want to login), will that stop too? I guess not but again just to be sure.
Thanks a lot once again.
I know when I rooted my S6 all the fingerprint stuff still worked so I dont think it will make a difference... Im not sure with the S7 edge but I would think it would still work cause all of those require a typed password before you use your fingerprint(1st setup only) Then use your fingerprint there after... .. Doesn't have anything to do with Knox
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yep, it all still works. just Samsung pay & private mode.
Hello, I'm trying to figure out if I understand everything correctly
1. Root always means knox counter goes >0
1.1. That always means Samsung Pay won't work even with magisk and stuff?
1.2 What else won't work? I've read Samsung Health might be not working, but I'm not sure why as it's perfectly working on unhidden root devices.
2. Adblocking w/o is possible? Disconnect Pro is only option?
3. bixby button is mappable to anything except actions like "imediately take picture"?
4. removing bloatware is possible with Package Disabler, right?
5. What is optimal non-root backup solution that would backup both app and data? I know Helium does that with USB Debugging, but I think Samsung should have something on it's own, right? Also How good is Samsung solution for non-Samsung phones?
6. Is USB debugging working fine? I'm concerned as heard using Secure Folders disabled it. That's the only thing to be aware of?
Thx
Ryotsuke said:
Hello, I'm trying to figure out if I understand everything correctly
1. Root always means knox counter goes >0
1.1. That always means Samsung Pay won't work even with magisk and stuff?
1.2 What else won't work? I've read Samsung Health might be not working, but I'm not sure why as it's perfectly working on unhidden root devices.
2. Adblocking w/o is possible? Disconnect Pro is only option?
3. bixby button is mappable to anything except actions like "imediately take picture"?
4. removing bloatware is possible with Package Disabler, right?
5. What is optimal non-root backup solution that would backup both app and data? I know Helium does that with USB Debugging, but I think Samsung should have something on it's own, right? Also How good is Samsung solution for non-Samsung phones?
6. Is USB debugging working fine? I'm concerned as heard using Secure Folders disabled it. That's the only thing to be aware of?
Thx
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1.1 About Samsung pay, AFAIK, it won't work. At least for now.
1.2 Secure folder won't work as well.
2. There are many options for root adblocking.. In fact, very few available for non-root devices.
3. AFAIK, no. Need to open the camera app and press the capture button.
4. Hadn't info for that since never attempted one.. Sorry..
5. There is a PC option.. I heard it is named Samsung switch or something else? Never tried it so can't say much.. The last time I'm using backup un-rooted is using helium, and I think it is good one already..
6. Never tried using USB debugging, so can't say much..
Hope this partially helps..
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Hello, I'm trying to figure out if I understand everything correctly
1. Root always means knox counter goes >0
1.1. That always means Samsung Pay won't work even with magisk and stuff?
1.2 What else won't work? I've read Samsung Health might be not working, but I'm not sure why as it's perfectly working on unhidden root devices.
2. Adblocking w/o is possible? Disconnect Pro is only option?
3. bixby button is mappable to anything except actions like "imediately take picture"?
4. removing bloatware is possible with Package Disabler, right?
5. What is optimal non-root backup solution that would backup both app and data? I know Helium does that with USB Debugging, but I think Samsung should have something on it's own, right? Also How good is Samsung solution for non-Samsung phones?
6. Is USB debugging working fine? I'm concerned as heard using Secure Folders disabled it. That's the only thing to be aware of?
Thx
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2 - https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/themes/adhell-2-rootless-ad-blocking-t3663559
4 - https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/how-to/how-to-remove-oem-bloatware-s8-s8-t3654687
3 -bxactions, click to open and then click again to take pic
Ryotsuke said:
Hello, I'm trying to figure out if I understand everything correctly
1. Root always means knox counter goes >0
1.1. That always means Samsung Pay won't work even with magisk and stuff?
1.2 What else won't work? I've read Samsung Health might be not working, but I'm not sure why as it's perfectly working on unhidden root devices.
2. Adblocking w/o is possible? Disconnect Pro is only option?
3. bixby button is mappable to anything except actions like "imediately take picture"?
4. removing bloatware is possible with Package Disabler, right?
5. What is optimal non-root backup solution that would backup both app and data? I know Helium does that with USB Debugging, but I think Samsung should have something on it's own, right? Also How good is Samsung solution for non-Samsung phones?
6. Is USB debugging working fine? I'm concerned as heard using Secure Folders disabled it. That's the only thing to be aware of?
Thx
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#1 is not true and a common falsehood repeated here often.
partcyborg said:
#1 is not true and a common falsehood repeated here often.
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I would appreciate if that was supported by some kind of links. 100% of information I've seen so far is "knox counter is not revertible" and "with knox>0 Samsung Pay, Samsung Health and Secure Folder won't work"
Ryotsuke said:
I would appreciate if that was supported by some kind of links. 100% of information I've seen so far is "knox counter is not revertible" and "with knox>0 Samsung Pay, Samsung Health and Secure Folder won't work"
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Knox the efuse backed device in your phone which turns 0x1 and is not reversable has absolutely nothing to do with whether your device is rooted or not. It is concerned with only one thing, and that is has your device had unsigned boot images written to it. That's it, full stop. In fact, it is currently 100% for a snapdragon (n America) device to *ever* be 0x1 because the bootloader is locked and therefore it is impossible to flash any unsigned code in the first place.
I can provide you with links saying that a thing is not affected by another thing because, well, they aren't related. I would be hard pressed to find proof that monkeys don't fly out of my ass either, but I can assure you they don't.
The reason for the pervasiveness of this incorrect information is that the installation methods of some root management systems involve the writing of a custom boot image, usually to get around things like selinux without compromising safetynet. However it is that boot image patch&flash that causes 0x1, it would happen whether you also rooted or not, and if you choose a traditional systemroot (and have a signed kernel that is permissive, but all Samsung's do), then you can be rooted all day and knox isn't even capable of knowing much less changing your unsigned flash count
partcyborg said:
The reason for the pervasiveness of this incorrect information is that the installation methods of some root management systems involve the writing of a custom boot image, usually to get around things like selinux without compromising safetynet. However it is that boot image patch&flash that causes 0x1, it would happen whether you also rooted or not, and if you choose a traditional systemroot (and have a signed kernel that is permissive, but all Samsung's do), then you can be rooted all day and knox isn't even capable of knowing much less changing your unsigned flash count
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But is there a root for S8 (Exynoss one G950FD to be specific) that is not triggering knox->1? I kinda assumed such thing does not exists, would be happy to know I'm wrong. If there is zero-knox root, is it still hideable like magisk to be still able to pass SafetyNet?
I rooted my galaxy s8 few days ago and now i flash the stock rom with odin i need a lot of options which i can't use it when my device is rooted but after the new stock rom when i want to open private mode in samsung browser i can't it show me this message
- rooting detected for your security , secrete mode can't be used on rooted device
Also the security folder not work please a need help
No body can help me ??
Stiiti said:
I rooted my galaxy s8 few days ago and now i flash the stock rom with odin i need a lot of options which i can't use it when my device is rooted but after the new stock rom when i want to open private mode in samsung browser i can't it show me this message
- rooting detected for your security , secrete mode can't be used on rooted device
Also the security folder not work please a need help
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Issue is due to tripping your knox.
How can i fix it
Once Knox is tripped that's it there is no 'fix'
At the moment the only way to fix is replace motherboard or buy a new phone
Just means you cannot use some Samsung related apps like secure folder,Samsung pay Samsung private browser etc.
spawnlives said:
Once Knox is tripped that's it there is no 'fix'
At the moment the only way to fix is replace motherboard or buy a new phone
Just means you cannot use some Samsung related apps like secure folder,Samsung pay Samsung private browser etc.
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Eh, that's not a bad thing... There are plenty of way better alternatives on Gplay or F-Droid
There are 3 potential ways around it:
1. Custom ROMs based on stock that software set the Knox to be 0x0 (not tripped).
2. Use Magisk and hide your root on that app in particular.
3. Download a modded APK of Samsung browser that doesn't check for root