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Confused by the correct order of updates: OTA, Root, Froyo?

I'm sure this is somewhere on the forum but I've made a best effort searching/reading for the past hour, and am now more confused. I rooted my incredible a few weeks ago in order to get the tethering feature to work, and this was before the OTA update from VZN came along. everything works, no complaints.
Since 1) I did not get the OTA update, and 2) I eventually would like Froyo, I have a few questions:
1) Do I need the OTA update?
2) Will I need it in order to get VZN's Froyo update whenever that becomes available?
3) If so, should I wait until that announcement is made?
4) If I unroot and get the OTA, can I simply re-root in order to get the tethering feature back?
5) Would I be able re-root by following the same instructions as when I rooted the first time (unrevoked3)?
6) If I unroot/install OTA update/re-root, how do I get VZN's Froyo when it is released? I assume I would need to un-root again, and then wait for the update?
7) Am I just as well off unrooting/installing OTA update/re-rooting and getting an unofficial version of Froyo? I am in no rush for froyo and do not want to risk messing up the phone for it.
I assume some of these questions are answered on the forums but like I said, the instructions I found on various threads seemed incomplete. Would greatly appreciate answers/links to answers for any of the questions.
Thanks

if your happy with the way the your phone is right now than just wait till the official update comes out.

You'll likely be told the update is available on your phone, but if you want root, you won't want to apply that right away.
Hopefully some magic like Evo update is done for us... the Evo update has already been rooted and pulled apart.

Thanks binny and k_flan... So I'll just wait for VZN. Can I install the VZN update (Froyo) directly or would I have to un-root first? No way to know this I suppose, but will the VZN Froyo allow wireless tether or will I have to pay extra for the feature?

My plan
My plan at this point is to wait for the OTA and then for unrEVOked to see if they can root it. If they can, I will RUU back to a stock rom, and apply the official update. This will guarantee [1] VZW to handle if I brick, and [2] that I am running the real radio and the real 2.2 (instead of the buggy beta which is making the rounds).
If they can't then the decision gets harder. I suspect that my desire for the 2.2 will outweigh my need to still be rooted.
What I know i WONT do is jump through these hoops just to install a beta radio/OS combo. If the radio wasn't at issue, it would be a different story.

np OP. You won't want to install the VZW update, it will likely not work with unrevoked's reflash tool.
I also have to correct what I said earlier, it doesn't appear it is the final build that was rooted for the Evo, but the radio was pulled from the final build and used with a rom.... Either way, it seems they've got the official radio (at least, that's how it looks for now), hopefully that happens for us, and official radio img.

Fair enough. still getting up to speed on terminology.... i assume reflash means un-root - is there any way to reset the phone to be able to get the VZ update/froyo?

Is anyone else getting a 4.0 OTA notification?

This may be a known issue but my wife's (non-rooted, completely stock) A500 has been getting a 4.0 OTA notification since yesterday. It says it's invalid, after downloading it, so I ASSUME it's not actually for this device but is that the case? If it is for the A500, do I need to do a factory reset to get it to update?
Thanks, and Merry Christmas!

What version is it running currently? 7.014.02
I have not seen anything since the 7.014.01/02 releases a few days back.
It would be nice to see Acer taking the lead on releases but I will believe it when it happens. The. 02 release did have a new to me update screen when it installed....
Wowsher

I think I know what one of the issues is- This must have been some really old stock (bestbuy.com) because it's running 3.0.1 and the kernal version is 26.36.3-00001-g9b3ce2b. Is it possible that it's somehow "skipping" the OTA updates in the correct order (or maybe they aren't available OTA anymore?) and thus giving me the "invalid" message?

yep would not surprise me at all... you should be able to download from a thread in the rom area a thread by vache has links to almost all of them.
You should probably change the thread title if you can.
Wowsher

There have been others with similar issues.Seems like acer did not and is not pushing the updates to some devices.
I would first call acer if you. Not likely to help but would atleast let them know they have issue.
For a right now fix.
Get iconiaroot. Root tablet.
Get acer recovery installer. Install custom recovery.
Look on forums for a stock 3.1 or 3.2 rom.
You can get a ore rooted rom if you wish but would kill all updates in future.
There are lots of information in the dev forums on step by step instructions and downloads.
Be careful fallow instructions.
Good luck.

The 4.0.xxxx update, is an update for UI. It should come in 2 notifications for stock tablets.
The first, is a preparatory update. The second, is the actual update.
Note, if you have a rooted tab, as some people can tell, it is not advisable to take any OTA update from acer.
In the forum, if you want to take the update, there is a thread which has rooted versions of these updates.

Essential system updates for google android - .7924

Heyo everybody! I just got this ota update message: "Essential system updates for google android - .7924"
Not sure what to do. I've had this tablet rooted for a while and I'm worried that updating will wipe out the root. Also, is it safe and/or possible to update the slate 7 extreme to lollipop and root it successfully?

Anyone?

Same here... I crash each time on reboot and have to reflash twrp and restore...

OTA...Update .. OK
I dont really care much for this tablet anymore until Lollipop arrives, like nVidia promised.
I updated in hoping to see Lollipop, but alas only for KIT KAT.
Update worked fine, and since I am on STOCK/NON-ROOTED, no issues whats so ever.

Fixed
ZiCott said:
I dont really care much for this tablet anymore until Lollipop arrives, like nVidia promised.
I updated in hoping to see Lollipop, but alas only for KIT KAT.
Update worked fine, and since I am on STOCK/NON-ROOTED, no issues whats so ever.
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I finally managed to install the (kitkat) auto update and retain root status. As with previous updates (which I had forgotten about), I had to extract and modify the update header first, then flash it with TWRP.
Not attempted Lollipop yet.

In anticipation for Sony's Lollipop Update

1. Is it advised to gain root NOW prior to the forthcoming Sony Lollipop OTA?
Point being if I don't root and I update to the latest forthcoming lollipop ROM from Sony then will it become a difficulty to gain root via the current downgrade method of rooting.. Or will downgrading from Sony's lollipop ROM be easily achieved via flashing .93 from flastool for instance.
My idea being can I remain unrooted and update via forthcoming ota from Sony and still achieve root via the current root methods of downgrading.
2. If I gain root now though, and lose ota facility because of root then will i be able to flash the latest official Sony lollipop ROM via flashtool manually and still retain root?
Sorry for any repetition above it's crazy late here. I've been itching to root but have been holding off in anticipation of an imminent Sony lollipop release... After some thought on the questions I post above I'm trying to determine if it's best to root now to prevent a potentially unrootable Sony lollipop rom?
Thanks in advance

1. Will downgrade from lollipop be possible? I have seen both happing with other devices so could go either way. No guarantees because we just don't know yet.
2. There is no downside to rooting now. Once you're rooted you don't want to install any official OTA anyway. You could lose root or even damage the device (we don't know yet). What you want to do is flash Pre - rooted firmware which you can download in the forums here (usually you get updates sooner than through OTA this way)
It's like a whole new world once you familiarised yourself with the possibilities.

Root is recommended you don't have any downside. If you want the ota update so bad you can still decide to flash your current software again. Though this I would not recommend since there is a possibility that you will be stuck in lollipop like clouds5 said (if no downgrade possible) .I don't think this will be happening since Sony until now is not really restricting users to flash official firmware. Hell they even encourage bootloader unlock officially. That said, just root and the enjoy the countless advantages.

As another alternative, and only because it hasn't been pointed out, you could also try to simply remain confused. The challenge in this is in hopefully coming to a point of peace with your circumstance by no longer worrying about it. I've been awake for far too long and have been sleep deprived over the past days, thus having no business making posts like this and accepting ir as innapropriate, but the general philosophy expressed remains solid ?
Since i don't have it in my signature, don't forget to hit "Thanks" ?

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I will proceed to root now to prevent an unrootable Sony lollipop OTA ROM - which is incredibly likely given chanfires views on the difficulties of rooting lollipop "specifically devices with locked bootlaoders."
Given we would all like to retain our DRM keys for when reverting to stock based ROMs I think I've come to my conclusion.
Thanks for your thoughts, it has certainly helped to proceed with rooting now (with I've been itching to do) rather than wait patiently for Sony's lollipop OTA (which could become a hindrance, now that I've fully understood the 'potential' for an unrootable lollipop ROM.)

I like your signature ;o)

dillalade said:
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I will proceed to root now to prevent an unrootable Sony lollipop OTA ROM - which is incredibly likely given chanfires views on the difficulties of rooting lollipop "specifically devices with locked bootlaoders."
Given we would all like to retain our DRM keys for when reverting to stock based ROMs I think I've come to my conclusion.
Thanks for your thoughts, it has certainly helped to proceed with rooting now (with I've been itching to do) rather than wait patiently for Sony's lollipop OTA (which could become a hindrance, now that I've fully understood the 'potential' for an unrootable lollipop ROM.)
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Jeah it is very unlikely that L will get root since it has already been obtained and the bounty is fulfilled. So there is no real motivation to keep working on it for this device. And also like Clouds5 said you will probably get your hands on rooted stock lollipop sooner here than through the official OTA update. Or 1-2 days later. Enjoy it .

Root now or regret it later.
I'd recommend you root now. The ability to get OTA updates is not a big deal at all. If you root, you can still install stock roms which would be just like the OTA roms. Sometimes the unofficial stock roms come out sooner than the OTAs, if not, then very shortly after. I actually like SONY's stock rom. I'm rooted, and I plan to just use the stock rom with some root enabled modifications.
I'd say that most custom roms are just as good or better than official stock roms from OTA.
With my last phone, I regretted not rooting when I had the chance. Sure, I was okay with it overall, but I wished I had root so I could have my phone exactly the way I wanted. There were some really useful functions that I missed from having a rooted phone, like screen-off music player controls. I missed being able to tether without the carrier knowing.
Some companies are making it harder and harder to root, so I say root now while you can.
If you root now, you're in control. If you wait for OTA, who knows.

[GUIDE]/[RESOURCE LINKS] For updating X 1st Gen LP 5.1.

This thread might help you with the resource, links and few information about upgrading to Lollipop 5.1 when the official OTA arrives.
BEFORE WE BEING, LETS SUM UP WITH THE THINGS WE KNOW TILL NOW.​
After agers, Motoroal dropped Lollipop for our Xs
First the LP 5.0.2 came out as soak test
Finally LP 5.1 OTA hit the brazillian markets a couple of days back
We can expect to hit all other markets in couple to weeks.
Now things we need to know for successfully installing the OTAs when it finally arrives in our regions​
** I'm expecting all of you(reading this) are rooted with locked or unlocked bootloader **
*If you are not rooted, you are set, stop reading and count clocks before it hits your region*​
Now whether you are have locked or unlocked bootloader, I'm guessing you have Custom Recovery installed (TWRP,CWM, etc).
and might or might not be running a Custom ROM.​
For both the cases, you can never successfully install OTA when it arrives cause it has a pre validation check, which will fail if it recognizes anything other than stock is installed.
For more info :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=59524348&postcount=324
AND NEVER TRY TO DOWNGRADE CAUSE IT WILL BRICK YOUR DEVICE OR SET IT UP FOR BRICKING LATER (IF IT DOESN'T BRICK, WHEN TRY TO INSTALL OTA IT SURELY WILL)
​
More Info
( http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-warning-risks-downgrading-impacts-t3058202 )
So, it narrows down to a particular question " What should be done if we want to install the OTA when it arrives.? "
This is what you need to do :
Flash Stock ROM (if you are using Custom ROM) and Stock Recovery and then download the OTA and give it go....
** its good if you install both Stock ROM & Recovery, cause you might knowing or unknowingly tampered your system partition by installing/experimenting with several modules and framworks (xposed for eg) ** ​
which by the way raises the following follow up question :
Q : Where to find Stock ROM ZIP file and how to install it.?
A : For this, first you need to know which Model of Moto X are you using and download the same and the flash it.
For getting to know and downloading the your region specific ROM zip file please vist ;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-tip-web-sites-official-leaked-roms-t2923347
and for the flashing guide :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/guide-moto-x-return-to-100-stock-using-t2446515
Please go through and read carefully to both the threads, and you will find yourself happy with LP 5.1 when it finally comes.
I have no hands in making the links mentioned, all this is done by spending hours of research time by these people.. *Say Thanks to Them*.. I just accumulated the data to provided a one thread solution.
Contributors :
@KidJoe : http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=1165307 @dagoban : http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=4977129 @TechSavvy2 : http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=4273261
Sorry if I missed something, lemme know, I will clear it out..
Say thank if I have helped you even in a minuscule way...

Did you miss this one also?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/how-to-install-5-1-lollipop-moto-x-t3089594
Since your just posting other people's threads.

Travisdroidx2 said:
Did you miss this one also?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/how-to-install-5-1-lollipop-moto-x-t3089594
Since your just posting other people's threads.
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I haven't posted this cause, its not the official OTA installation thing, its just restoring a TWRP backup. which in case has many bugs (eg speaker phone, Network selection etc.)
I also admit that there is no contribution from me, in creation of the links I've posted, I just accumulated the data for myself, in thought that, when the OTA hits my region, this would help me going back to stock.
I made this thread thinking that, if in some way I could also help others who are looking for a solution for this.

The tips posted in -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/faq-kit-kat-how-to-prepare-carriers-t2536735 still apply for Lollipop...