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Well this is a new idea (somewhat) so I wanna hear what you guys think about this is it going to win? Or fail
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Well this is a new idea (somewhat) so I wanna hear what you guys think about this is it going to win? Or fail
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It's hard to say at this point.
The offer is good in my opinion. If they deliver it could be an awesome piece of tech.
Now some things have to done well in order for it to succed.
First they have to avoid having a flawed product. Nvidia is relatively new in hardware making and a lot of thing could go wrong in the process which could cripple the product.
Then they have to price it correctly. It's a difficult thing to price. Android games alone aren't good enough to charge a premium for it and the other streaming aspect can't be done by itself and need another already expensive piece of tech nearby. And as a tablet, media consumption device the form factor isn't really good. Overall it's not an ultimate device for any kind of use but it does alot of thing nicely and have some unique feature.
For me they can't price it above 400$ and should be somewhere between 300 and 350.
Then they have to delivers the product and make it available everywhere cause the first rule to a succesfull product is to make it reach the buyer !
And finally they have to ramp up the THD games on Android to deliver the much needed content and drive sells. If they could get some big design win from other OEM for Tegra 4 it would help tremendiously in this area.
Anyway that's my 2 cents. I'm probably gonna buy it if priced right and available soon. I want a T4 device and if the Shield is the first one by a long shot I'll surely go for it.
I don't think any product can be "epic" at this point. The Shield brings very strong points and will be successful. I'd expect it to be about as popular as the Nexus 7 if NVidia can get a Walmart contract and the price right.
If it became as successful as the Nexus 7 i would be seriously shocked and that is coming from a guy who wants the Project Shield to be a success.
I think the Nexus 7 hits far more every day use abilities then this will. I cannot see browsing the web or streaming video to much on it and honestly anything touch related will be cumbersome because of the huge controller below the screen.
Obviously price point will dictate alot of this but this is Nvidia after all and we have be realistic it will not be cheap even if it should be.
I do not know how many Nexus 7's were sold but im sure it was in the many millions and ill be surprised if Nvidia sells more then a couple of those in its entire lifetime.
They will sell if the price is wright.
Great article on why the SHIELD can very well be the ground breaking device it claims to be.
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2013/02...-want-it-and-everything-you-need-to-know.html
It has tons of potential, but mainstream adoption will depend 100% on how well Nvidia can advertise and explain to the consumers.
1) This is very hard sell to the mainstream consumer. It is slightly confusing to the untrained person (PC games on a handheld?!), and will take some brilliant marketing to get the message out there. It will be especially hard for Nvidia since they are very new to hardware and have never released an in-house device before.
2) Pricing will be an issue. Nvidia will almost certainly have to sell this at a slight loss/break even and hope to make up some sales in the Tegra store/other places (i'll be upgrading my 560Ti to a 660Ti+ or 7xx for this). I imagine they won't be initially making a ton of these which means the components won't be super cheap. I hope they take a play out of google's book and sell it for as cheap as they can afford to. If they try to sell it at $600, it will sell to a few diehards but never see mainstream adoption.
3) I am personally beyond excited for one! It is everything I need and want, especially with Steam big picture mode. One of the reasons I refuse to buy anything more than casual games on Android is because on-screen controls that try to emulate controllers are TERRIBLE. Android devices are finally getting the power needed to attract AAA developers, and with this the control is finally there as well.
4) Again, my main concern is on marketing/educating the consumer. It seems a ton of companies struggle with that these days.
I hope it'll fail. PS Vita is way better solution if You like gaming in motion.
This is one of those things that could sell and it couldn't its really to early to tell i hope it sells...
I think it's a good idea for Nvidia, there are a lot of awesome games in the Play Store.
I could definitely see this being an epic win, and I hope it does, but I think that all hinges on price and marketing, unfortunately thus far they seem to be marketing it in a way that won't help it, specifically the steam streaming, is it cool? yup. Is it useful? not really, it requires pretty specific hardware to even use so most people won't be able to use, and it requires you to be on the same wifi as the computer streaming, at which point there's not much point playing on the tiny shield screen vs your computer monitor.
What they really need to do is price and market as a competitor to the 3DS and PSvita, that's where it could win, they just need to price it competitively, to those, which means really trying to stick to the $250 range and they need to push for develop support for real console quality games and not rely on "mobile" games. If they push it that way and can get the dev support I see absolutely no reason to get 3DS or Vita as it really is superior, the control is better and more comfortable, great screen, hardware wise the processor and graphics are superior to the Vita as it's based on last gen android hardware (quad core cortex-A9 & PowerVR SGX543MP4+), there will likely be yearly refreshes of Shield with faster and faster hardware supporting more graphically intense games and it's a standard open platform, meaning all your old games come with you, 100% backwards compatibility, which is awesome.
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I could definitely see this being an epic win, and I hope it does, but I think that all hinges on price and marketing, unfortunately thus far they seem to be marketing it in a way that won't help it, specifically the steam streaming, is it cool? yup. Is it useful? not really, it requires pretty specific hardware to even use so most people won't be able to use, and it requires you to be on the same wifi as the computer streaming, at which point there's not much point playing on the tiny shield screen vs your computer monitor.
What they really need to do is price and market as a competitor to the 3DS and PSvita, that's where it could win, they just need to price it competitively, to those, which means really trying to stick to the $250 range and they need to push for develop support for real console quality games and not rely on "mobile" games. If they push it that way and can get the dev support I see absolutely no reason to get 3DS or Vita as it really is superior, the control is better and more comfortable, great screen, hardware wise the processor and graphics are superior to the Vita as it's based on last gen android hardware (quad core cortex-A9 & PowerVR SGX543MP4+), there will likely be yearly refreshes of Shield with faster and faster hardware supporting more graphically intense games and it's a standard open platform, meaning all your old games come with you, 100% backwards compatibility, which is awesome.
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Nvidia has stated in interviews that they are going to be selling it "for profit." which makes me slightly concerned that it would be exorbitantly more expensive than the Vita/3DS. They might be able to make up for it by 1) producing the silicon themselves 2) the use of a 720p screen rather than 1080p.
However, I fear they will have a hard time bringing it down to the $250 range, even though it really needs to be there in order to sell.
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Nvidia has stated in interviews that they are going to be selling it "for profit." which makes me slightly concerned that it would be exorbitantly more expensive than the Vita/3DS. They might be able to make up for it by 1) producing the silicon themselves 2) the use of a 720p screen rather than 1080p.
However, I fear they will have a hard time bringing it down to the $250 range, even though it really needs to be there in order to sell.
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Well I could still see $250 being a doable price point, take the Nexus 7 for example, 7" 1280x800 display, current gen (at the time) tegra 3 processor and 16gb of storage for $199, $249 for 32gb, and supposedly being updated to a Snapdragon 600/800 & 1080p at display at the same price points, so $250 wifi/$300 4G seems reasonable for a smaller screen with say 16gb of internal storage and the integrated controller. But yeah, I guess we'll see, but I do think over those prices and it will struggle to get any sort of market acceptance, if they could manage a $199 price point for a wifi only model I bet they would sell really well.
Though I will say though that I think they should have went with a slightly larger screen, something in the 6" range would have been awesome.
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Well I could still see $250 being a doable price point, take the Nexus 7 for example, 7" 1280x800 display, current gen (at the time) tegra 3 processor and 16gb of storage for $199, $249 for 32gb, and supposedly being updated to a Snapdragon 600/800 & 1080p at display at the same price points, so $250 wifi/$300 4G seems reasonable for a smaller screen with say 16gb of internal storage and the integrated controller. But yeah, I guess we'll see, but I do think over those prices and it will struggle to get any sort of market acceptance, if they could manage a $199 price point for a wifi only model I bet they would sell really well.
Though I will say though that I think they should have went with a slightly larger screen, something in the 6" range would have been awesome.
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That's a good point, although Google and Asus sold it at a very minimal profit, pretty much at-cost, at least initially until component prices came down a bit... Hopefully Nvidia can do the same, and this thing might stand a chance!
interesting concept, but the design..hm
For people with the S4, it seems better value just to get a Moga style controller and use that. Display is better on the S4 and hdmi out works great.
As a dedicated gamer, I am tempted. I wonder if Nvidia will have apps 2sd as an option? At least there is about 8gb more on this than the Ouya.
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For people with the S4, it seems better value just to get a Moga style controller and use that. Display is better on the S4 and hdmi out works great.
As a dedicated gamer, I am tempted. I wonder if Nvidia will have apps 2sd as an option? At least there is about 8gb more on this than the Ouya.
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Well right now if your are interested in the shield for android games only then yes buying a wireless controller would be better. If you are going to use the pc streaming then I think buying the shield would be better. I have yet to see an app for android that does a good job streaming pc games to android.
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Well I could still see $250 being a doable price point, take the Nexus 7 for example, 7" 1280x800 display, current gen (at the time) tegra 3 processor and 16gb of storage for $199, $249 for 32gb
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Don't forget that the prices you list there are current prices and not the prices from launch, when 8Gb was $199, and 16Gb was $249
Nvidia's first in-house android device is due out Q2 of this year (it seems they are aiming for a June release date) - and I am a bit surprised by the lack of conversation going on here at XDA about this device!
Why are (or aren't) you getting a Project Shield? Right now everyone is only able to speculate on price and exact availability, but as it draws closer to June we are sure to get loads of more information.
I'll go first!
I will be ordering one as soon as they become available. This is exactly the device I have been waiting for, for several reasons.
First, I have always never enjoyed on-screen joysticks/buttons as a control for touch-based games. It seems like a backwards way to do it. This eliminates that issue and will make me actually purchase some of these neat Android games.
Secondly, I am a PC gamer at heart, and the one thing I have always been jealous of the XBOX/PS3 guys is that they can lay back on the couch when they get home from work and relax while playing their favorite games. I already use a controller with a bunch of games on my PC (exclusing FPS and Strategy), so this seems like a natural fit for me! As well, once Nvidia gets the streaming to TV working, I can leave my big PC rig in my office while still being able to play my games on the nice HDTV in the living room, using this as the controller. I could not ask for it to be easier, especially with Steam's lovely new Big Picture mode.
Lastly...emulators. Lots and lots of emulators. Nvidia's Tegra 4 seems to be one powerful chip, certainly powerful enough to run all of the emulators on the play store. This will be perfect for SNES/NES/PSX/N64 emulation on my tv..
I'm interested to hear your guy's opinions! Hopefully we can bring some life to this board over the coming months.
Basically you gave every reason i will also purchase one
Can't wait ehehe
I think the Nvidia Shield is a very good idea, as long as you fit within it’s very, very narrow niche targets. Most people won’t, which is why I think it will sell in low numbers despite being some decent hardware. I think I will be buying one though. I’ll explain.
I fit into one of the very few practical uses for this device. I have a high-end (for now) gaming PC with a GTX670 installed. This gaming PC is in my front room, behind my TV. It is there because my PC room became a nursery when I became a dad in 2011. There is no other room in my stupid tiny house for a PC desk. It has to be behind the TV.
To compound matters, I foolishly went and signed up for TiVo. (Freeview reception is woeful in my area). Now my wife has a hard drive chock full of hour after hour of mindless tat (I hate TV. 99% of it bores me silly) which I end up having to watch most nights. It’s driving me mad. I’m frequently sat there just waiting for her to p*ss off to bed so I can start my evening and bleed off the frustration built up from watching 4 hours of sh*te. This is typically around 11pm, by which time, any of my friends on Steam have also gone to bed.
(Apparently this TV consists of “quality time together” in her mind. When I asked her if she would like watching 4 hours of gaming each night and have to wait until 11pm so she could watch her recordings, she thinks this would be unfair and selfish. But I never have to raise a finger around the house and she brings me cold beer so it’s swings and roundabouts I suppose.)
When I read about Shield it seemed to answer the problem. I would be able to sit on the sofa, next to my wife, (quality time) and play on my PC titles whilst she absorbs hours of Celebrity Pets On Ice Makeover Factor. Whilst I am a little unconvinced that I’ll be able to play games like Planetside 2 on a 5” screen, at least I will have the option to play smaller scale stuff like Skyrim or Sim City. Games I can easily pause when she has something to say!
As I already have a nice setup for my keyboard and mouse and headset already able to reach my sofa, all I really needed was the small, portable screen. I thought I could make my own solution for a lot less than the Shield is likely to cost, and get a slightly larger screen. I was wrong. All small 7” to 10” screens were unsuitable for one or all of the following reasons;
1. USB input only, meaning my CPU would be driving the display, not my GPU. Also possible latency issues depending on drivers.
2. Awful resolution. They can all support up to 1080p inputs, but natively they are rarely above 480.
3. Terrible response times. They seem to be ok for desktop computing or widget monitors, but high speed gaming would be motion-blur city.
4. Cost. The only small, portable, high resolution LCD/LED displays with HDMI input and decent response times were for high-end professional photography DSLR camera rigs, costing around £1200.
Anyone with their own computer desk won’t need an Nvidia Shield. Anyone who wants an Android gaming experience can already do so for £30 with an Android device they already own and a PS3 or Xbox360 controller (http://buy.thegameklip.com/) and won’t need an Nvidia Shield. Anyone who wants the hand-held PC gaming experience and doesn't already have at least GTX650, is looking at a starting cost of an additional £200 on top of the eventual cost of the Shield. How many people are going to go for that?
If I could have found a separate small screen that would have been up to spec, I wouldn’t be looking at a Shield either. I’ll be amazed if Nvidia shift many of these upon release. If they cost it much above £250 I’m going to have a hard time justifying it myself.
I am looking forward to being able to lie in bed and play Sim City before going to sleep. There are plenty of Android apps (I use Unified Remote) that can remotely shut down/hibernate your PC over network. I suspect the Nvidia Shield (if they’ve though this through) will also have this though.
I am not getting one but I hope it does well... here's why:
I bought a Moga Pro (which has not arrived yet as their free shipping is the slowest domestic service I've ever experienced). With the controller combined with the LGOG (and it's Tegra 4/Snapdragon 800 based replacement this fall), I expect it to match most of the Project Shield functionality.
I own a high end phone (LG OG + 64gb card) and a high end tablet (Nexus 10 32). To the extent I want a 3rd piece of portable electronics, It would need to do something that the LGOG/Nexus 10 can not do or play a game my devices cannot play. I'd sooner get a 3DS XL for the exposure to a unique gaming library.
The PC gaming has zero value to me (I have a modern laptop (Vaio i7 14" touch screen) but it's graphics are by ATI. There's no way I would get a bulkier laptop (for the 660 graphics) to stream to a more portable.
On the other hand, I hope it succeeds. The better shield does, the better the games android will recieve. I don't particularly like tegra exclusives (expecially since Chainfire's mod doesn't support JB) but most likely my next phone or tablet will have the Tegra 4
one simple reason why not.. thats because i don't own a nvidia GPU. im currently using AMD and don't plan on changing to nvidia anytime soon. from what i understand you can't use the project shield to stream games from PC without having a decent nvidia GPU
I will not be getting it either for the simple reason like stated above have an AMD card. This card is very capable of running games like this to a little device such as the Shield but they will never do it. Given I just bought my rig with some killer specs I am not willing to pay another 300 dollars for a nvidia card ton a system I already spent over 1000 on just to see the same performance out of the card. Its pretty pointless to me plus the precision you have with a mouse is far better then joysticks.
I'm still on the fence. If it's under $200 I'll definitely consider it. I'm basically looking at it as a higher quality alternative to something like the JXD S5300. I want it primarily for emulators, but also some Android games that I think would work well with a controller. If the JXD S5800 actually comes out and doesn't have any major issues I'll probably go with that, as I think that the layout (PS Vita like) would work better for games that still need some help from the touch screen.
I won't get it as it's the first time a device like this is being made, and there'll be unpredictable problems with the device. Sitting on the fence, and I'll be waiting for shield 2. Also, because I'm in no hurry.
One more reason is that I have gtx 560 ti and not 660.
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Def getting one here, I think it's a novel concept and I applaud Nvidia (and any other company) for trying to make a product that is unique. I do have a drawer full of "unique devices" though so it will really be up to Nvidia to stick by the device to make it successful. It is for sure priced at a premium and I believe that will be a barrier for many but, if you are a real hard core PC gamer you are used to spending pretty big bucks for a fast setup so from that perspective the price might be ok.
I pre-ordered one because it has physical buttons. I've been using an Asus Transformer Infinity tablet with a PS3 controller to play emulators when I'm bored at work. Not very Ideal. This morning I sold the infinity on craigslist, took the cash over to gamestop and pre-ordered a shield.
Android Emulators
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These are my reasons OP. I'm hoping that with root access we will find a way to stream the PC games without being on the same wifi network. I have amazing internet at work and at home. My gaming desktop is HUGE.
This is my steam library I have an extremely beefy desktop with an Nvidia card I built.
Well, I saw this section on XDA, and thought it was quite interesting, but I'm definately not going to buy the shield.
- It's marketed by Nvidia, I expect huge prices.
- I'm an eyefinity gamer (this means I play on a resolution of 5760x1080), scaling down to a -7- 5 inch device, while I'm even on the same network? My chair is as comfortable as the couch :/ so I see no reason to stream. (Also, I use ATI cards as Nvidia ones are overpriced over performance. "But ye, I don't have to bull**** about drivers and it just works" - You know what kind of people have that argument as well? People that buy apple)
- It's not even out yet, and pre-ordering is just insanely stupid. You're laying down money for a product that is not even tested, and you're purchasing it for the highest price possible, as products only get cheaper over time. I will even go as far as simply declaring people that pre-order products, may it be games or actual products are extremely retarded.
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Well, I saw this section on XDA, and thought it was quite interesting, but I'm definately not going to buy the shield.
- It's marketed by Nvidia, I expect huge prices.
- I'm an eyefinity gamer (this means I play on a resolution of 5760x1080), scaling down to a 7 inch device, while I'm even on the same network? My chair is as comfortable as the couch :/ so I see no reason to stream. (Also, I use ATI cards as Nvidia ones are overpriced over performance. "But ye, I don't have to bull**** about drivers and it just works" - You know what kind of people have that argument as well? People that buy apple)
- It's not even out yet, and pre-ordering is just insanely stupid. You're laying down money for a product that is not even tested, and you're purchasing it for the highest price possible, as products only get cheaper over time. I will even go as far as simply declaring people that pre-order products, may it be games or actual products are extremely retarded.
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Wow, that's a pretty large set of arrogant statements with no good backing. Why do you have an ATI card? If you stuck with a Trident card for longer, the price on that ATI card would come down even more! Calling people who preorder "extremely retarded" only means you're completely removed from rational discussion. I pre-order games if I don't want to have to worry about them on launch day. I pre-order hardware that may be hard to get on launch day (or shortly after). Maybe the real problem is that you can't afford to pre-order products, and you're jealous of people who can? Maybe you're happy with older technology until the dust has settled? Those are good reasons to claim you're not going to pre-order a product. But to announce that everyone online is "extremely retarded" is really just showing your own ignorance and cry-baby mentality.
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- It's marketed by Nvidia, I expect huge prices.
- I'm an eyefinity gamer (this means I play on a resolution of 5760x1080), scaling down to a 7 inch device.
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you call us retarded but can't get any facts for yourself before commenting.
A) price is already up. There is no price to expect when it has already been announced.
B) its 5 inches not 7.
C) It doesn't just dream, its a fully fledged android device and very capable of playing games offline, there are quite a few good games coming out on android now.
I want go get shield but its not up for pre order in the UK yet, looks to be around the £230 mark if you do a straight price conversion although if you follow existing trends they will charge £300 or more in the UK because everyone hates us and charges us more for no reason. I can't afford the £230 price tag right now, let alone if it does get a price bump.
If I get one it will likely get loaded with emulators and then it might make an interesting device to make apps for. I couldn't care less about streaming. I just see it as what the PS Vita should have been, a high end android device with a gamepad (yes it is my opinion that the vita would have been much better if it was an android device).
Oh I'm sorry, this is the internet, I need to back up the fact that a cigar is a cigar on every post I make?
The US prices are released, not any international ones. With the current rate, it should come down at €270. Hell no, it will get that tag in Europe. It could go as far as €300 to €400. That's still a huge difference.
And yes, I would go as far as claiming that pre-ordering products is an extremely retarded action. Why would you pay the royal jackpot for a product, that has no one ever reviewed yet, that no one ever put to day-to-day use and could report how it functions. You pay that royal jackpot for a mere idea or concept, led by marketing and manufacturers claims. I cannot see how this could be a good decision in any daylight.
"But to announce that everyone online is "extremely retarded" is really just showing your own ignorance and cry-baby mentality."
Why would that claim be untrue? I see no valid reason why you would not be retarded if you just believe a manufacturer by the nice blue colour of their eyes. I see no ignorance from my side, only those of who pre-order stuff. I see no cry-baby mentality in that statement, only from you who are quite tense in defending your purchase.
It's alright though, it's your purchase, your good decision to do so, and I do not say you can't do that. You're just not that sane in my opinion, just as you think negatively about me. I see you are quite tense. Don't get pushed that much by someone on the internet.
See, I know a lot more about the product than you. I've been playing with it for months. My decision to pre-order has nothing to do with marketing or hype. I choose to pre-order the product based on solid facts, hands on testing, specific knowledge of the features, and specific plans of what I intend to do with it. When I pre-order software, it is generally after either beta testing it or careful homework on the software in question with the knowledge that my friends and I will be playing it on release day together. Since I live in the US, I know the price, and I know whether it will be coming down any time soon. And they aren't allowed to charge me until they ship, so it's not profit to them yet either, I can cancel at any time.
I pay a premium to remain on cutting edge technology, and because of it, I have done well in my career. I owe my current position on getting involved with Android earlier than most people, and diving into the technical aspects of it. That's what I do.
So you can think of me as retarded all you want. I'm thinking you're just too lazy to be an informed buyer until after everyone else already has it.
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I have an extremely beefy desktop with an Nvidia card I built.
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Dat misplaced modifier
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LOL! you are right. I was tired when I wrote that. I built the desktop not the Nvidia card
I will definitely be buying one as well. I have already pre ordered the shield. Some of the features that I like are obviously streaming PC games to the device so I can play them while sitting on my couch or in another room. I also like the shield for the controls so I can play games like Shadowgun, modern combat and other games like those. I also like that I can also use it just like any other Android device.
The speakers are here are incredible and it was shown that you can actually play music and use as a speaker alone which I think is a neat idea as well. Lastly I think a lot of developers are going to be making some pretty awesome games for this device and this device especially has endless possibilities.
I already have a set up that will provide a great experience for streaming PC games so don't need to buy anything extra for it to work right out of the box. I currently use Moga pro to play games on my Nexus 10, but it is a pain to carry around both devices for this to happen.
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I`ve pre-ordered mine on May 16, 2013 for a fun reasons like to help developers in test with custom recoveries, kernels, systems or such things. I hope there is going to be guys who willing to develope for this thing something because it got some good potential.
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I`ve pre-ordered mine on May 16, 2013 for a fun reasons like to help developers in test with custom recoveries, kernels, systems or such things. I hope there is going to be guys who willing to develope for this thing something because it got some good potential.
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Recovery looks like it will lack touch for a while, but developing ROMs for it shouldn't be overly difficult.
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Its kinda cute in that its a direct rip design wise of the mac pro. Its not going to be likely sold outside China or in a wide release. So it'll probally be a geekbuying purchase for anyone who cares but it's go to sell for roughly $120 and has pretty much the exact same specs as the mojo. However it'll probally won't have the play store issue with not being able to download apps. In my experience with Chinese products they usually have a lot of glitches. Both of my minix neo x5's have plenty of software and hardware issues that make using them an adventure. but who knows this could be interesting. Exciting to see this market growing.
Only has 1 usb port though so that's a meh.
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Its kinda cute in that its a direct rip design wise of the mac pro. Its not going to be likely sold outside China or in a wide release. So it'll probally be a geekbuying purchase for anyone who cares but it's go to sell for roughly $120 and has pretty much the exact same specs as the mojo. However it'll probally won't have the play store issue with not being able to download apps. In my experience with Chinese products they usually have a lot of glitches. Both of my minix neo x5's have plenty of software and hardware issues that make using them an adventure. but who knows this could be interesting. Exciting to see this market growing.
Only has 1 usb port though so that's a meh.
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Yea, and only bt 3.0, and no sd card slot. Gah.
What about the vyper?
Interesting idea
"It’s actually a 7-inch tablet with a dock, so you’re really just streaming games to your TV via the tablet. That tablet has a 1280 x 800 resolution, 1GB RAM, and 8GB Memory. A 5MP rear shooter compliments a 2MP front camera, and a 1.6GHz quad-core processor keeps it all humming."
$250 with controller or $200 without.. I think it's really under spec'd
http://www.slashgear.com/snakebyte-vyper-hands-on-with-the-sleeper-hit-of-android-gaming-08312328/
@jjprichards Whoa, didn't even notice that it didn't have an SD card. Well I guess their saving money where they can and there's a number of reasons why its only 120$. But ouch.
@gwaldo, I'm always worried about tablet dock type setups for a tv gaming system, if only because the question arises on how the internal battery is being dealt with. If its always charging you're basically destroying it constantly, however if when its docked the battery stops getting used entirely it could be a pretty good product. Yea you're right a little overpriced for the specs. Quad Core specs are always weird like if its the same cpu as the x7 then the gpu is pretty meh, its the same one in the Samsung GS2.
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@jjprichards Whoa, didn't even notice that it didn't have an SD card. Well I guess their saving money where they can and there's a number of reasons why its only 120$. But ouch.
@gwaldo, I'm always worried about tablet dock type setups for a tv gaming system, if only because the question arises on how the internal battery is being dealt with. If its always charging you're basically destroying it constantly, however if when its docked the battery stops getting used entirely it could be a pretty good product. Yea you're right a little overpriced for the specs. Quad Core specs are always weird like if its the same cpu as the x7 then the gpu is pretty meh, its the same one in the Samsung GS2.
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At this point, I think its best to just wait for the tegra k1 shield 2, or micro-console.
dheku-00 said:
@jjprichards Whoa, didn't even notice that it didn't have an SD card. Well I guess their saving money where they can and there's a number of reasons why its only 120$. But ouch.
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Still, I'd rather buy that over an Ouya1 or Ouya2 or even Ouya3.. I liked the idea of Ouya but it was poorly executed.... and intentionally, I think of them as crammers now!
dheku-00 said:
@gwaldo, I'm always worried about tablet dock type setups for a tv gaming system, if only because the question arises on how the internal battery is being dealt with. If its always charging you're basically destroying it constantly, however if when its docked the battery stops getting used entirely it could be a pretty good product. Yea you're right a little overpriced for the specs. Quad Core specs are always weird like if its the same cpu as the x7 then the gpu is pretty meh, its the same one in the Samsung GS2.
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Yeah all the good tech now-days does continuously charge, so no issue there..
I guess your paying for the package, rather then having to source a tablet then a controller.
But yeah my cheap, 1 year old chinese tablet is better spec'ed and with the mojo ctlr travel clip, I imagine it's like a cheap shield experience
Surprisingly fun way to play.. like a 'full size' portable (big screen + real controller).. more intimate.. that must be the shield's appeal.
At this point, I think its best to just wait for the tegra k1 shield 2, or micro-console.
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Depends how far away it is, but when the cntrlr comes out, pick one up... you'll use it on everything but iOS
oh.. I really, want another one!
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I agree. The controller is really fantastic. Best gaming controller I've ever used, not even an exaggeration.
re the huaweis-tron:
http://www.slashgear.com/huaweis-tr...hands-on-with-chinas-answer-to-ouya-08312429/
It does have a microSD slot, it's ust in the bottom of the device (checkout engadget's pics for confirmation). But according to what engadget says it might (like I said, might) be facing some of the same play store limitations as the MOJO.
On the upside it has two clear advantages over the MOJO that I can see:
1) the ability to choose 16 OR 32GB of internal storage. As anyone with lots of games and heavy apps on an android device can tell you, 16GB is sometimes not enough (especially if you take into consideration that you only have about 12 or 25GB available to the end user since the same memory is used for the OS).
2) the controller has a headset jack so you can use it to listen to the audio (and to have conversations from what I could garner from the pics). I'm sorry, but the audiojack on the MOJO is not for headsets, even if it has mic support. The whole idea of the MOJO and devices like it, along with wireless controllers is the ability to sit more than three feet away from the console. If you're using the headphone/headset jack on the mojo you are a)not wireless, b)limited to 3 feet distance from the controller unless you buy a compatible extension cable (which from what I've seen never have mic support, only stereo).
The main things which will matter are
a) when will it become available
B) what version of android will it have
C) will it properly support external storage devices
D) What kind of Play store access will it actually have
Because generally I can live with the difference between BT3.0 and 4.0 (though I obviously prefer 4.0, it's not enough to sway my decision).
Honestly, I wish someone would comeo out with a device like these a top tier Qualcomm processor. Even if it meant losing access to Tegra exclusive/optimized games. They have a better video block and generally have better performance. But I know that if the device is positioned as a primarily gaming device and they are going for something better than a budget SoC, it will be a Tegra for the reasons I mentioned earlier.
I was really looking for a gaming tablet (mainly for world of tanks blitz) and the shield k1 was a very viable option for me because of the gaming controller, but when I heard they didn't upgrade the specs I was really disappointed.
So I eventually went with the iPad Air 2, and soon planning to buy a steel series nimbus controller. The price is more then twice as much, adding the controller and the oem Apple cable to be able to connect the tablet to my tv, but in the end I believe it is the better option for gaming and future proofnes.
Or is it? What do you think I should have gotten?
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I was really looking for a gaming tablet (mainly for world of tanks blitz) and the shield k1 was a very viable option for me because of the gaming controller, but when I heard they didn't upgrade the specs I was really disappointed.
So I eventually went with the iPad Air 2, and soon planning to buy a steel series nimbus controller. The price is more then twice as much, adding the controller and the oem Apple cable to be able to connect the tablet to my tv, but in the end I believe it is the better option for gaming and future proofnes.
Or is it? What do you think I should have gotten?
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The K1 isn't a 2nd Generation device it's just an makeover! Have the original one and also play Wot Blitz, works great on max settings with an average of 60 fps. Don't use the controller for it, because as i tried it some time ago the game wasn't optimised for it.
So you essentially wanted a more expensive Nvidia option perhaps with the the X1 chip? I think Nvidia wanted to sell more K1 inventory and keep the price at $200. I imagine there will eventually be something new from them though.
The only reason I own the K1 is because of the low-ish price. I don't see value in more expensive tablets.
The Apple products might have a better game library.
lvnatic said:
I was really looking for a gaming tablet (mainly for world of tanks blitz) and the shield k1 was a very viable option for me because of the gaming controller, but when I heard they didn't upgrade the specs I was really disappointed.
So I eventually went with the iPad Air 2, and soon planning to buy a steel series nimbus controller. The price is more then twice as much, adding the controller and the oem Apple cable to be able to connect the tablet to my tv, but in the end I believe it is the better option for gaming and future proofnes.
Or is it? What do you think I should have gotten?
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There's no such thing as future proof in regards to technology. I have the k1 it's a steal for 200.
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Well, the x1 does look promising, but if there's no news about it in the next 28 days before I can return this ipad, i guess I'll have to stick with it.
I really hope they announce something, ios is very optimised but is also extremely limited, even jailbroken.
Read something about Nvidia saying that they had been shut out of the tablet market and were going to focus on gaming devices instead. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but I wouldn't count on a Shield Tablet 2. They only sold something like 88,000 units of the Shield Tablet 1.
It's too bad, I just got one and am loving it. Head and shoulders better than my Nexus 7 and I'm really impressed with the stylus. Really impressed. I'm not an artist, but I feel like I should start doodling or something just because I can.
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Read something about Nvidia saying that they had been shut out of the tablet market and were going to focus on gaming devices instead. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but I wouldn't count on a Shield Tablet 2. They only sold something like 88,000 units of the Shield Tablet 1.
It's too bad, I just got one and am loving it. Head and shoulders better than my Nexus 7 and I'm really impressed with the stylus. Really impressed. I'm not an artist, but I feel like I should start doodling or something just because I can.
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That's really bad news. I'm guessing because they sold in limited countries and really didn't advertise the product at all, which is a shame because they definetly have the budget to do so.
At that price and performance, they could rock the market.
Yeah, no device is perfect, even iPad has it's own cons.. but having the shield tablet is worth the $.
The ipad air 3 should come out in the next few weeks, if it will have the same a9x as the pro i think that i will give it a try( would be my first ios device). Thought first about the pixel c, but well tegra chips arent that good in google devices. I owned a nexus9 and compared to my shield tab it didn't played wot blitz that good on max settings, heats and throttles a lot which leads to frame drops(30fps)although it scored higher in Benchmarks. If you want an Android device for media and gaming there is still nothing better than this 2 year old shield tab.
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The ipad air 3 should come out in the next few weeks, if it will have the same a9x as the pro i think that i will give it a try( would be my first ios device). Thought first about the pixel c, but well tegra chips arent that good in google devices. I owned a nexus9 and compared to my shield tab it didn't played wot blitz that good on max settings, heats and throttles a lot which leads to frame drops(30fps)although it scored higher in Benchmarks. If you want an Android device for media and gaming there is still nothing better than this 2 year old shield tab.
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That's my problem with android, even if it has the horsepower, sometimes the device just won't perform as it should, probably because of lack of optimization.
The iPad 4 still runs games better then most high end android devices.
Wot blitz crash on stock firmware, aoo stay with apple
The shield for the money is amazing. The shield compared to tablets twice it's price is still pretty amazing. I wouldn't get something twice as much just because it's twice as much. I also wouldn't want anything other than Android for a tablet.
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OmenHTX said:
Wot blitz crash on stock firmware, aoo stay with apple
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No it doesn't. Happened sometimes on 5.1.1 Lollipop but since 6.0 crashes are gone. Btw saw people with ios devices where it also crashed, so it was more a problem of the servers.
Been reading this morning how Mad Catz are posting big losses due to some fallout over backing Rock Band to be more than just a flash in the pan. Real shame, hindsight is an exact science.
I couldn't help feeling that if they'd stuck with Android boxes and developed some better software for the MOJO, things might have been different. I get it when companies get the willies over these things, but there seems to be a big hole in the living room that needs to be properly addressed. Nvidia are doing a good job but the Shield is a very geeky item imho and not necessarily going to appeal to people as an impulse buy. The MOJO could have been the start of something really good imho. It's clearly powerful, even now.
I dunno, just riffing really. But I would have liked to have seen them continue with this instead of what's happened now. However, we still have the MOJO, and it is still very much worthwhile.
That's why I love Android so much. Give me great hardware and root and I'm good.
It would be nice to have support.
I agree, and I'm really just discovering how much of a strength this is. I've got my system working brilliantly right now, and unlike my Ouya which is now facing extinction, nobody can take this away from me. My games work, all my stuff works. When Ouya goes, they will take down the servers and any games you have that require authentication online will not work, and your screwed.
However like you say it would have been good to have ongoing support from Mad Catz, and I feel if they'd stuck with it they'd perhaps be in a better position financially right now. Maybe, maybe not, but I feel like they were very quick to retreat.
There is always a faint hope that they might return as the representatives still get back to one's tickets. Who knows, they might make a u-turn when they see so many people buying the device and reviving old threads online now that it's super affordable.
You're absolutely correct. So far, the MOJO is my entertainment system (minus games). The hardware is still decent and meets the demand of most android games out there.
Corporations tend to have short visions when it comes to making profits. The MOJO cost 3 times less than when it first came out. They have to understand that Android power users are definitely price sensitive imho. All I'm saying is that they should manufacture new batches and cap the selling price at sub $100. They shouldn't aim at price tags which are closer to that of PS-Xbox systems. Android apps and games have still a medium way to catch up to those next gen consoles. If the price is right, they will quickly see how many more people adopt it.
The MOJO is still alive.
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...So far, the MOJO is my entertainment system (minus games)...
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How do you mean minus games? Don't you do any gaming on it?
Not much, I'm not that much of a gamer. The android game that I really enjoy playing is Asphalt 8, which I can now even play on my windows 10 (with the help of JoyStick). Aside from that, the only other game that makes me go into "game mode" is Call of Duty in multiplayer mode; thus I need a more powerful game device.
Prefer to waste my time watching movies though
As you can see, the MOJO meets the needs of all types of users!
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Been reading this morning how Mad Catz are posting big losses due to some fallout over backing Rock Band to be more than just a flash in the pan. Real shame, hindsight is an exact science.
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I don't follow US stocks, I'm surprised Madcatz is floated
I'm not an inside or anything but I'd say NVidia screwed Ouya, Madcatz and anyone else using their SoC.
They probably offered an upgrade path, got them to break in the 'micro-console' crowed while waiting for googleTV to come out, then ShieldTV is the only one using the X1 or whatever it is.
That's just my opinion.
But yeah, the Mojo is a quality hardware wise.. the ouja was executed cheaply and poorly, a big disappointment.
The Mojo is still a poor man's shield TV which is good
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The Mojo is still a poor man's shield TV which is good
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Yes it certainly is! The hardware is still impressive today imho. Not much out there that bests it, certainly not in the price range. If we are thinking of it as a poor man's Shield, that's fine by me. I'm definitely a poor man!