Hi, I have recently installed my Nexus 7 (running CM10.2 on 4.3.1 and leanKernel) in the dashboard of my car. I installed a cigarette socket behind that dash that provides power to the device when the vehicle is running. When the vehicle turns on i have tasker set to lock the display on, start my music and torque. The problem I am having is when the N7 is one and receiving a charge the battery is still discharging (approx. .8%/h according to battery stats app). I have used 3 different charges, two which are 2.1A and the third is 150w dc 12v to 110v ac power inverter which i have used 2 different usb chargers in, but i am still seeing the battery discharge while I am using the tablet. i can rewire the cigarette socket so it is constantly charging the device but since I am not able to reach the power button on the tablet i dont know how ill be able to toggle the screen. i have tried to under-clock the cpu and gpu (currently have the device running on 1 core) but still havent seen an improvement. Any idea what i may be able to do to rectify the problem?
I was also going to try to upgrade the tablet to 4.4.2 but adb and fastboot cannot see the tablet anymore. i updated the usb drives and it was working perfectly fine up until a week ago so i am not sure what is happening.
Thanks for the help.
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Hi, I have recently installed my Nexus 7 (running CM10.2 on 4.3.1 and leanKernel) in the dashboard of my car. I installed a cigarette socket behind that dash that provides power to the device when the vehicle is running. When the vehicle turns on i have tasker set to lock the display on, start my music and torque. The problem I am having is when the N7 is one and receiving a charge the battery is still discharging (approx. .8%/h according to battery stats app). I have used 3 different charges, two which are 2.1A and the third is 150w dc 12v to 110v ac power inverter which i have used 2 different usb chargers in, but i am still seeing the battery discharge while I am using the tablet. i can rewire the cigarette socket so it is constantly charging the device but since I am not able to reach the power button on the tablet i dont know how ill be able to toggle the screen. i have tried to under-clock the cpu and gpu (currently have the device running on 1 core) but still havent seen an improvement. Any idea what i may be able to do to rectify the problem?
I was also going to try to upgrade the tablet to 4.4.2 but adb and fastboot cannot see the tablet anymore. i updated the usb drives and it was working perfectly fine up until a week ago so i am not sure what is happening.
Thanks for the help.
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Hi, do you have a dcdc-usb? I know Who did your work (n7 in dash car) normaly have that, with a otg-y cable and normaly use USB ROM with Timur's kernel, which is a dedicated rom for car 's installation. Try to search info about that.
Unfortunatelly development is stopped to android 4.2 (the release before 4.3) But it' s very good rom.
If your installation is fixed, in the night u will lost about 1-2 %
Ps can you upload some photoes about your dash ?
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furious84 said:
Hi, do you have a dcdc-usb? I know Who did your work (n7 in dash car) normaly have that, with a otg-y cable and normaly use USB ROM with Timur's kernel, which is a dedicated rom for car 's installation. Try to search info about that.
Unfortunatelly development is stopped to android 4.2 (the release before 4.3) But it' s very good rom.
If your installation is fixed, in the night u will lost about 1-2 %
Ps can you upload some photoes about your dash ?
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I dont have a dcdc-usb as the power to the tablet is coming from 2.1A car charger or a 150w power inverter. i dont have a otg-y cable but i do have the means to easily install one if i ever need it. I never knew about USB rom and Timur's kernel. ill flash those asap and hopefully that will fix the battery drain. As for pictures i only have this one from when i first installed the the tablet but know i have my dashboard disassembled. hopefully this will hold you over for now .
Uhm i can say to u try the USB ROM,i haven't other idea
Ps nice work
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Ted, you need to flash a kernel that supports fast charge and enable it. I have the same issue, after flashing a 4.4 rom I lost my fast charge and over the duration of a long drive the battery is discharged. Apps such as fanco kernel updater have the option to enable fastcharge, if the kernel supports it. Great setup BTW, I have mine mounted on the dash.
ryar said:
Ted, you need to flash a kernel that supports fast charge and enable it. I have the same issue, after flashing a 4.4 rom I lost my fast charge and over the duration of a long drive the battery is discharged. Apps such as fanco kernel updater have the option to enable fastcharge, if the kernel supports it. Great setup BTW, I have mine mounted on the dash.
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Hi ryar,
Thanks for the help. I've flashed a few different kernels that have fast charging enabled. The latest is Timur's kernel which says fast charging is enabled. Sadly my tablet is still discharging when its in use so I've decided I'm going to have it set to charge at all time and use a magnet to switch the screen on when I need it.
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Hi ryar,
Thanks for the help. I've flashed a few different kernels that have fast charging enabled. The latest is Timur's kernel which says fast charging is enabled. Sadly my tablet is still discharging when its in use so I've decided I'm going to have it set to charge at all time and use a magnet to switch the screen on when I need it.
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Are you trying to charge in host mode or just using the USB came that came with the nexus 7? I could help you solder power and volume to some switches so you can toggle screen on off that way? I bought a Samsung branded car charger and it works great for car charging. I made a y cable that you can turn host mode on and off with a switch. I could help talk you through it or do it for u if you buy the stuff its pretty cheap fairly simple to do if u have patients. Most of Those 2.1 amp dual port chargers only supply 1 amp to android devices, this could be your problem.
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Are you trying to charge in host mode or just using the USB came that came with the nexus 7? I could help you solder power and volume to some switches so you can toggle screen on off that way? I bought a Samsung branded car charger and it works great for car charging. I made a y cable that you can turn host mode on and off with a switch. I could help talk you through it or do it for u if you buy the stuff its pretty cheap fairly simple to do if u have patients. Most of Those 2.1 amp dual port chargers only supply 1 amp to android devices, this could be your problem.
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I am just charging the tablet straight up no host mode. ive used a variety of chargers: two different branded 2.1a chargers and both the stock nexus 7 wall charger and another tablet wall charger plugged into a 150w power inverter. Thank you for the offers! If its fairly simple to solder the power switch I would prefer to do that regardless of the discharging problem so that i can hard reset the tablet if i ever need to.
Thank you for the help!
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Hi ryar,
Thanks for the help. I've flashed a few different kernels that have fast charging enabled. The latest is Timur's kernel which says fast charging is enabled. Sadly my tablet is still discharging when its in use so I've decided I'm going to have it set to charge at all time and use a magnet to switch the screen on when I need it.
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Fast charging on Timur's rom work with otg Y Cable
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Ted_rivers said:
The problem I am having is when the N7 is one and receiving a charge the battery is still discharging (approx. .8%/h according to battery stats app). I have used 3 different charges, two which are 2.1A and the third is 150w dc 12v to 110v ac power inverter which i have used 2 different usb chargers in, but i am still seeing the battery discharge...
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I've had my Nexus 7 "in my truck since last year. I at first had it sleep via Tasker, but I was having issues if I left my car for awhile. The batterywwould be low and if I didn't have long drives, I could never rechargeit to ssufficient battery fullness.
I changed my setup to have the tablet power on upon receiving AC ignitionpower using this adb command:
there is a Fastboot command that you can issue to the bootloader to make the tablet power on once plugged it.* “fastboot oem off-mode-charge 0” makes the unit power on the instant its connected to AC. “fastboot oem off-mode-charge 1” returns to normal state,* so fitting an external switch isn’t 100% necessary, but i decided i wanted one anyway. I’m using Tasker to switch the unit on and off* with the ignition, but having the external switch is a handy addition.
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Then I have Tasker turn it off after minute not being used. I'm sure it's not good for the Nexus 7 to always be at 100% power, but I don't care about the batter health because I purchased this for my truck only.
My only concern now, is the safety of the battery in AZ summer heat. I don'twant it to explode, and iI'm wondering if the tablet will function with AC power only, then I could remove the battery and not worry about it.
Poi25 said:
I've had my Nexus 7 "in my truck since last year. I at first had it sleep via Tasker, but I was having issues if I left my car for awhile. The batterywwould be low and if I didn't have long drives, I could never rechargeit to ssufficient battery fullness.
I changed my setup to have the tablet power on upon receiving AC ignitionpower using this adb command:
Then I have Tasker turn it off after minute not being used. I'm sure it's not good for the Nexus 7 to always be at 100% power, but I don't care about the batter health because I purchased this for my truck only.
My only concern now, is the safety of the battery in AZ summer heat. I don'twant it to explode, and iI'm wondering if the tablet will function with AC power only, then I could remove the battery and not worry about it.
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How are about temperature there? How is your setup into truck? I mean n7 is into the Dash? Or You have some support? Anyway maybe your technical questions will be better answering on developer forum (If You have installed usb rom by timur)
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furious84 said:
How are about temperature there? How is your setup into truck? I mean n7 is into the Dash? Or You have some support? Anyway maybe your technical questions will be better answering on developer forum (If You have installed usb rom by timur)
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The temperature gets to almost 120F (48.8C) in the summer, and that's outside the vehicle. I took a dremel to my dash and modified it to mount the nexus 7. It's clean and looks just about stock. I made a wooden box to the dimensions of double DIN, and put the mounting brackets on either side. I used sticky tape to mount a nexus 7 matte black case to the front of the box, so when I slide the box into the double din area it lines it up perfectly. Then I just snapped the dash back into place over the top of the Nexus 7. So, the tablet is basically built into my truck.
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The temperature gets to almost 120F (48.8C) in the summer, and that's outside the vehicle. I took a dremel to my dash and modified it to mount the nexus 7. It's clean and looks just about stock. I made a wooden box to the dimensions of double DIN, and put the mounting brackets on either side. I used sticky tape to mount a nexus 7 matte black case to the front of the box, so when I slide the box into the double din area it lines it up perfectly. Then I just snapped the dash back into place over the top of the Nexus 7. So, the tablet is basically built into my truck.
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I saw photoes after i posted .
48C wow.... In italy it s hard when there are 35...
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ok here's what I want to do.
Permanently integrate a nexus 7 in my car dashboard in the double din radio opening
Remove the battery from the nexus 7 and hardwire to always on power from the car battery
Hardwire the power button to a button installed in the dash
Dashmount a usb port connected via otg for hotswapping media
Hardwire a potentiometer into the dash for volume control
all of the above is fairly simple except for power supply, otg+charging is a possible solution but a car battery wired solution is far better so what i need is information on what the battery pins supply in terms voltage/amperage so i can create a 12v to direct power converter or a device that already does this. any help is appreciated TIA
bump, if someone knows i could really use this info
b22ri22an said:
ok here's what I want to do.
Permanently integrate a nexus 7 in my car dashboard in the double din radio opening
Remove the battery from the nexus 7 and hardwire to always on power from the car battery
Hardwire the power button to a button installed in the dash
Dashmount a usb port connected via otg for hotswapping media
Hardwire a potentiometer into the dash for volume control
all of the above is fairly simple except for power supply, otg+charging is a possible solution but a car battery wired solution is far better so what i need is information on what the battery pins supply in terms voltage/amperage so i can create a 12v to direct power converter or a device that already does this. any help is appreciated TIA
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Can't you just use the USB port to charge it? it takes 5V, and 2A. With a car battery it should have enough amps, the voltage is what you'd need to regulate.
But if you really want to take out the battery instead...can't you just use a volt meter to see what the N7 draws from the battery? I'd guess it's 3.7v lithium ion but I'm not positive. I couldn't find the specs on google either..
As far as I have read there are some major difficulties getting otg+charging to work at the same time and I need the storage space provided by external storage. Having the car power source replacing the nexus 7 battery would eliminate that problem altogether.
I was hoping that someone here had known the voltages since I don't currently own or have access to a multimeter to test for myself. Knowing the voltages in advance would give me the opportunity to see what would be entailed financially to build the project and determine if its its financially acceptable to me, if the project isn't viable the money spent on the multimeter to do the tests would be wasted as it's not something I need for anything other than this particular project. So in the interest of trying to save $20 I figured I would ask here first and that there was a good chance that someone might have the information I needed.
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As far as I have read there are some major difficulties getting otg+charging to work at the same time and I need the storage space provided by external storage. Having the car power source replacing the nexus 7 battery would eliminate that problem altogether.
I was hoping that someone here had known the voltages since I don't currently own or have access to a multimeter to test for myself. Knowing the voltages in advance would give me the opportunity to see what would be entailed financially to build the project and determine if its its financially acceptable to me, if the project isn't viable the money spent on the multimeter to do the tests would be wasted as it's not something I need for anything other than this particular project. So in the interest of trying to save $20 I figured I would ask here first and that there was a good chance that someone might have the information I needed.
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oh ok..well have you taken a look at the battery? It should just be 3.7v, I don't think it would be too hard to find which pins it is. Maybe take a LED and test it across the pins?
Also, I have heard reports OTG + charging is working fine on CM10 with a patched kernel. you might want to check this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1934722
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oh ok..well have you taken a look at the battery? It should just be 3.7v, I don't think it would be too hard to find which pins it is. Maybe take a LED and test it across the pins?
Also, I have heard reports OTG + charging is working fine on CM10 with a patched kernel. you might want to check this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1934722
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I've been participating heavily in the arena of OTG + charging simultaneously, as well as using USB audio.
To answer the OP's question directly: I have demonstrated (to myself) that I can power down my Nexus 7, disconnect the battery connector, plug in my y-splitting OTG cable with power in one plug, and an unpowered USB hub in the other plug. [Plugged into the USB hub is a flash drive, USB DAC, and I'm sure a keyboard would also be an option.] Then I turn on my Nexus 7, and in the OS it shows the battery at 0%, but charging (obviously it's not actually charging without the battery present...).
I even booted up the Nexus 7 normally, with all the same stuff connected to USB, and then disconnected the battery connector... and the Nexus 7 remained on!
I've thought about integrating some sort of tactile switch that essentially disconnects the battery whenever the switch is depressed. So then part of the car mount could be a little protrusion that presses this switch whenever the tablet is inserted into the car mount. That way whenever the tablet is removed from the car mount, the battery will take over without removing power from the motherboard.
MetalMan2 said:
I've been participating heavily in the arena of OTG + charging simultaneously, as well as using USB audio.
To answer the OP's question directly: I have demonstrated (to myself) that I can power down my Nexus 7, disconnect the battery connector, plug in my y-splitting OTG cable with power in one plug, and an unpowered USB hub in the other plug. [Plugged into the USB hub is a flash drive, USB DAC, and I'm sure a keyboard would also be an option.] Then I turn on my Nexus 7, and in the OS it shows the battery at 0%, but charging (obviously it's not actually charging without the battery present...).
I even booted up the Nexus 7 normally, with all the same stuff connected to USB, and then disconnected the battery connector... and the Nexus 7 remained on!
I've thought about integrating some sort of tactile switch that essentially disconnects the battery whenever the switch is depressed. So then part of the car mount could be a little protrusion that presses this switch whenever the tablet is inserted into the car mount. That way whenever the tablet is removed from the car mount, the battery will take over without removing power from the motherboard.
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Lol, yes, I think I had you in mind when I said that.. I'm still waiting for my Y cable. I won't get it till at least 1.5 weeks..
MetalMan2 said:
I've been participating heavily in the arena of OTG + charging simultaneously, as well as using USB audio.
To answer the OP's question directly: I have demonstrated (to myself) that I can power down my Nexus 7, disconnect the battery connector, plug in my y-splitting OTG cable with power in one plug, and an unpowered USB hub in the other plug. [Plugged into the USB hub is a flash drive, USB DAC, and I'm sure a keyboard would also be an option.] Then I turn on my Nexus 7, and in the OS it shows the battery at 0%, but charging (obviously it's not actually charging without the battery present...).
I even booted up the Nexus 7 normally, with all the same stuff connected to USB, and then disconnected the battery connector... and the Nexus 7 remained on!
I've thought about integrating some sort of tactile switch that essentially disconnects the battery whenever the switch is depressed. So then part of the car mount could be a little protrusion that presses this switch whenever the tablet is inserted into the car mount. That way whenever the tablet is removed from the car mount, the battery will take over without removing power from the motherboard.
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Am i understanding you correctly? If i unplug the battery, and just have the OTG cable plug into the charger, it would be able to power on and off and run just fine?
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Am i understanding you correctly? If i unplug the battery, and just have the OTG cable plug into the charger, it would be able to power on and off and run just fine?
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This was how it worked while the N7 was running Jelly Bean 4.1.2. I can't guarantee it would operate the same on 4.2.2.
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This was how it worked while the N7 was running Jelly Bean 4.1.2. I can't guarantee it would operate the same on 4.2.2.
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Someone tried it on Reddit. Removed the battery and tried powering it on with only OEM charger. The screen just flickered. They were on 4.2.2
I am curious about removing the battery and hardwiring as well as I am gathering parts to put my Nexus 7 in my car dash. The problem w/ the OTG route - it gets pretty hot down here and I'm afraid the battery will have some long term issues (ie...could leak/explode). So, hardwiring it would be preferred.
Any ideas for hardwiring?
with the new nexus 7 coming out I am just going to mount the wireless charger behind the tablet dock, now I just hope otg is supported with the slimport on the new nexus 7
Can someone verify that the Nexus 7 can operates perfectly fine with the battery removed and only powered by the USB cable? I've read some threads eluding to this, but no one has confirmed. Mine is in the dash of my car so i cant verify this myself. If someone can. that would be amazing! Thank you.
look at the thread right below yours.
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look at the thread right below yours.
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I saw that thread, i was still a bit confused as they were talking about USB DAC and other devices hooked up to me.
I want to make sure data can still be transferred from the same USB cable and such.
Yes, it's possible, but has some side-effects
Yes, it's possible to power the Nexus 7 without battery from a USB-cable, but it involves sending power directly to the battery connection inside the Nexus 7, and it seems to have some side-effects.
The battery is a one-cell lithium polymer, which has a max charge of 4.23 V. I hoped the Nexus wouldn't fry when connecting 5 V, and it has worked fine the few minutes I've tested it. No smell of burnt electronics
Here is what I did:
Tear off the tape around the battery cable. You'll see it's soldered to a pcb-board, and the two black and two red wires are soldered together. The two wires in the middle is probably some kind of data-connection to the battery. Will investigate this further later.
Then I soldered loose the cables, so I could use the battery-connector, and soldered both red and black wires to red and black wires in a USB-cable. Drilled a hole in the back-cover right below the NFC-antenna. The back-cover is filled with all sorts of antennas, so scratch carefully with a knife before drilling. Attached some pictures of the process.
Side-effects I've noticed so far:
- It thinks the battery is at 0% and not charging.
- The clock is reset when you turn off the power. But if you have internet it will update from NTP within a minute or so.
- My computer (OS X) can't detect it anymore. So I suspect it doesn't work in USB device-mode anymore, but I'm able to connect a USB-keyboard with an OTG-cable, so it seems to work in host-mode.
Does anyone else have any experience with this, or any ideas why it doesn't work in device-mode? I'm considering adding a small connector so I can use the two extra wires from the battery to the data-wires of the USB-cable (and disconnect when not in use), and then solder a USB female cable to the original battery. That way I can (hopefully) connect the Nexus 7 to my computer when needed, and possibly analyze what the two extra wires is actually used for.
I have CM for Android 4.2, and Timur's USB-rom, but it's probably not needed for this hack, and I will probably install a stock rom if I get this working properly.
Be careful, and don't blame me if you fry your Nexus (or anything else). Be sure to turn off any fast-charge hacks when the battery is disconnected.
Old Guy - look at the thread right below yours
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Threads are sorted by last post in each thread, so it's impossible to find which one you are referring to. Do you have an url?
Theory worked
I managed to connect the Nexus 7 to my computer again
I'm considering adding a small connector so I can use the two extra wires from the battery to the data-wires of the USB-cable (and disconnect when not in use), and then solder a USB female cable to the original battery. That way I can (hopefully) connect the Nexus 7 to my computer when needed, and possibly analyze what the two extra wires is actually used for.
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Can confirm that this works. I didn't have any small connectors, so I hot-glued one header-pin and a female connector for a header pin on the data-wires in the USB-cable. Doesn't look good, but it works
When I have it in the car, I disconnect the header-pins on the USB-cable, and connect it to an USB power-source. When I need to connect it to the computer, I connect the header-pins and connect the battery (with the female USB-cable), and a regular USB-cable to the computer.
Sorry to bring up an older thread, but it sounds like the White and Yellow wires of the battery are for data?
if so, if I applied 3.7-4.2 volts on the battery connection and then still had a 5v connection on the USB would this work?
I would like to use Timur's ROM, and have power applied when my car is off (fixed install) for deep sleep and then apply the 5v when the car is on to bring it from the deep sleep. the issues would be faking it to not charge which I am guessing would mean to set the battery input to 4.23 volts to show as being fully charged. then when key on, the 5v would take over and you would still have the 4.23 applied at the battery connection ( probably have a diode on the + side to keep from injecting voltage to that supply
Has any one completed something like this?
The problematic usb port finally gave up on my Nexus 7 (2012). I've opened up it up, connected the black and red wires from a cut usb cable to the 1st and 4th pogo pins without removing the battery. Now charging's fast and stable..
Added: Tried 5v2a charging, it doesn't melt anything.. Fully charged in just slightly over1 hour.
This thread has been great help and a motivator for wiring my Nexus 7 to do a (permanent) dash install.
I've just removed the battery and wired it to a Pico-Box X5-ATX-180 carputer PSU with an adjustable voltage converter in-between to get around 3.9 volts to the tablet. Works great, but I found another drawback.
Like mentioned in a post before me, the battery status will show 0% which I thought wouldn't be too big of a problem. However, at the moment there is an Android update (4.4.3) available and when I try to update it first tells that the battery is too low and that I should connect a charger. So I did, but then it tells me too "wait for the battery to charge sufficiently".
So for anyone reading this wanting to do the same, know that you won't be able to update Android without a battery connected.
I have attached a photo of the tablet running without a battery for those interested.
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This thread has been great help and a motivator for wiring my Nexus 7 to do a (permanent) dash install.
I've just removed the battery and wired it to a Pico-Box X5-ATX-180 carputer PSU with an adjustable voltage converter in-between to get around 3.9 volts to the tablet. Works great, but I found another drawback.
Like mentioned in a post before me, the battery status will show 0% which I thought wouldn't be too big of a problem. However, at the moment there is an Android update (4.4.3) available and when I try to update it first tells that the battery is too low and that I should connect a charger. So I did, but then it tells me too "wait for the battery to charge sufficiently".
So for anyone reading this wanting to do the same, know that you won't be able to update Android without a battery connected.
I have attached a photo of the tablet running without a battery for those interested.
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You could use the factory image to update your nexus 7. It's just a bit more work.
Rutjes said:
This thread has been great help and a motivator for wiring my Nexus 7 to do a (permanent) dash install.
I've just removed the battery and wired it to a Pico-Box X5-ATX-180 carputer PSU with an adjustable voltage converter in-between to get around 3.9 volts to the tablet. Works great, but I found another drawback.
Like mentioned in a post before me, the battery status will show 0% which I thought wouldn't be too big of a problem. However, at the moment there is an Android update (4.4.3) available and when I try to update it first tells that the battery is too low and that I should connect a charger. So I did, but then it tells me too "wait for the battery to charge sufficiently".
So for anyone reading this wanting to do the same, know that you won't be able to update Android without a battery connected.
I have attached a photo of the tablet running without a battery for those interested.
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What did you use to get the voltage down to 3.9 volts?
the exact thread I've been searching for.
Just completed by initial installation and now troubleshooting various problems.
The biggest being this battery scenario. So from what I've read in this thread is to use a DC-DC power switcher PICO for carputers and run that to the battery leads. How is the boot time though?
I've read that with a low battery, the kernal during bootup takes longer for checks to occur?
I have an idea.....:
If we can switch 12VDC to 5VDC during switched (Key On Accesory) with a regulator.....
we should be able to do the same with a sepearate regulator to switch 12VDC to5VDC during constant (Key off) when the switch voltage is lost.
This would retain the time you mentioned gets lost. Also, how much mAh (current) do you get out of that PICO regulator to the battery leads? The TIMUR kernal for FI-mode wants 1800mAh at least. Currently I'm using a cigarette lighter DC-DC adapter that has 2 ports. (2.1A, and 1A). The Nexus 7 is currently connected to the 2.1A and my HUB is connected to the 1A.
any advice?
Thanks
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Just completed by initial installation and now troubleshooting various problems.
The biggest being this battery scenario. So from what I've read in this thread is to use a DC-DC power switcher PICO for carputers and run that to the battery leads. How is the boot time though?
I've read that with a low battery, the kernal during bootup takes longer for checks to occur?
I have an idea.....:
If we can switch 12VDC to 5VDC during switched (Key On Accesory) with a regulator.....
we should be able to do the same with a sepearate regulator to switch 12VDC to5VDC during constant (Key off) when the switch voltage is lost.
This would retain the time you mentioned gets lost. Also, how much mAh (current) do you get out of that PICO regulator to the battery leads? The TIMUR kernal for FI-mode wants 1800mAh at least. Currently I'm using a cigarette lighter DC-DC adapter that has 2 ports. (2.1A, and 1A). The Nexus 7 is currently connected to the 2.1A and my HUB is connected to the 1A.
any advice?
Thanks
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Why go through all the trouble? Just snip off any USB cable and connect to the pogo pins.. This way, you can charge at pogo's speed with any wall charger and still bring your tablet anywhere.
Hi guys just wanted to report i used your trick on my nexus 7 and it worked perfectly!
I used this method to check if the problem was the battery or if the screen was dead and it turned out to be the battery!
Now i have another battery on the way from Ebay.
Thanks again good job!
Hi guys me again,
I want to update the software but it wont let me because battery is on 1% for ever.
BUT i was wondering, what would happend if i simultaneously plug in the mini usb to another usb charger?
would that create some sort of an insane weird circut and burn my tablet?
any thoughts?
thanks!
Im thinking to use the Nexus 7 in car without the original battery. Constant 4.2V from car battery via converter to nexus battery pins and using the usb with ignition to switch the tablet between sleep and normal state. One thing i would want to reuse is the temperature sensor in the Li-ion pack. Has anyone some idea if the two extra wires are directly connected to temp sensor or there is a circuit for it on the battery controller? If so how it could be reproduced so i could use this to monitor the temp in car for example or if anyone knows any usb dongles that i could use for monitoring external temp with android.
So now i hav tryed the nexus without the battery aswell. At first i applyed 5v directly to the little black battery connector. tablet worked but showed 0%. Then tryed desoldering the batteryback from the little circuit and applyed 5v to the actual battery connectors on the circuit. It shows 100% battery and works and also the temperature sensor is working. One issue is that i need to plug in the charger before connecting the circuit to the motherboard, maybe the charger im using is just too weak that cant get the voltage up or something. And another thing is that i left it plugged in for the night and now the percentage goes down slowly as it would be discharging. havent figured out why that is. Maybe someone has tackled this before also?
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So now i hav tryed the nexus without the battery aswell. At first i applyed 5v directly to the little black battery connector. tablet worked but showed 0%. Then tryed desoldering the batteryback from the little circuit and applyed 5v to the actual battery connectors on the circuit. It shows 100% battery and works and also the temperature sensor is working. One issue is that i need to plug in the charger before connecting the circuit to the motherboard, maybe the charger im using is just too weak that cant get the voltage up or something. And another thing is that i left it plugged in for the night and now the percentage goes down slowly as it would be discharging. havent figured out why that is. Maybe someone has tackled this before also?
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You supplied power to the protection circuit? I'm surprised that worked.
The battery is probably going down because the protection circuit is designed to prevent over and under voltage. Since you're feeding it 5V and a lithium battery is supposed to max out at about 4.2V it must be trying to lower the voltage somehow. The percentage going down is probably nothing to worry about, but I'd strongly recommend connecting to the battery connector instead, and only connecting it like this when you need to have a certain percentage to do a system update etc. Also be careful with the bare battery, if the two pins short it could catch fire.
Hi i tried that works ,however it doesn't boot when powered i have to turn it on pressing power button,any idea why?
As a car dash its pretty useless now
Just a quick message that I have managed to power my nexus 7 2012 from a USB cable connected to the circuit board that was attached to my dead battery. Battery level indicator is permanently at 100%.
Sort of like the above it involves using the battery circuit board but it is disconnected from the battery.
Step 1: Strip back battery wrapping revealing the board attached to the connector cables (that connects to Nexus 7)
Step 2: Cut the metal strips going from the circuit board to the actual battery part
Step 3: Solder USB cable Positive wire to board pad labelled VP and Negative to pad VG(? not 100% on last one, but it's the other pad)
Step 4: Solder short wire from VP pad to other side of the board onto the ++ pad (that goes to the red wires then connector)
Step 5: Wrap board up with elec/other tape to avoid shorts
Step 6: Connect up and power on
Not sure why the last wire is needed but it didn't work for me without it.
Next step for me is to wire it to the onboard micro-usb
Where is the ++ pad ??
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Step 4: Solder short wire from VP pad to other side of the board onto the ++ pad (that goes to the red wires then connector)
Not sure why the last wire is needed but it didn't work for me without it.
Next step for me is to wire it to the onboard micro-usb
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Where is the ++ pad mentioned in step 4 ? Can you post some pictures ?
Hello!
I recently installed my Nexus 7 in my Honda Civic and I love it. However, I have some questions!
I am using Timurs USB rom and it works very well. I was using Fixed Installation mode with an OTG-Y cable and the tablet was going to sleep and waking up when the car was turned on or off just fine. However, the OTG-Y cable I was using was faulty and was not allowing the tablet to charge.
I now have it connected without the OTG-Y cable but Fixed Installation mode in Timurs USB rom requires an OTG-Y cable to work. I have tried to duplicate the same behaviour using tasker but I can't get the tablet to turn on reliably with the car. Sometimes it works, however it usually takes a few tries. From what I can tell this because of a battery state where it is powered but not charging.
I am wondering if there is a way I can use Fixed Installation mode in Timurs USB rom without an OTG-Y cable? or if thats not possible, maybe someone can provide some tips for making tasker reproduce the same behaviour?
Thanks!
Jarred
I can't answer your question, but do you have any pictures of it installed? I have a Honda civic 2013, but can't find a place to install it that I like.
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I have instaled my N7 on Civic RS (7 gen). But removed bat - reason at -10C Nexus don't want to start =). About not charging your install - you need good wiring about 0.75 mm2 or 1mm2 copper wire and as short as u can from DC-DC converter to succes charge. And Fast charge settings on USBROM.
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I have instaled my N7 on Civic RS (7 gen). But removed bat - reason at -10C Nexus don't want to start =). About not charging your install - you need good wiring about 0.75 mm2 or 1mm2 copper wire and as short as u can from DC-DC converter to succes charge. And Fast charge settings on USBROM.
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Thank you for the info, but this is not relevant to my question. My tablet is charging just fine.
Mounted my n7 in dash, got it hooked up to power and speakers. Using timurs ROM. All works well, says its "usb host fast charging" but looses charge all the time. Battery level permanently drops. Ive tried various chargers and bo difference. Is it possible the battery is dying?
Thanks
I don't know why, but I had the same problem, also with 2.1A 12v/USB converter.
I found that if I only use the OTG cable it did charging fine but if I used a usb extension cable in addition the battery charged out.
idk why, have tested several extension cables
Probably voltage droop from a poor charger and/or poor cable. The Nexus 7 is very sensitive to it and it'll randomly only do slow charging otherwise.
Hi im from Italy so sorry for My English.. That My experience with n7 in Car installation
When i drive for more 4hours (with 3g bt and GPS all on and display obviously on) i usually lost about 3%.
The problems starts When tablet start To freeze and boot alone then i lost more battery (maybe with a clean installation i ll resolve that issue or maybe is caused by Hot temperature of battery.) anyway a otg-y cable is suggest, for a better charge (i mean not a otg simple cable But a otg-y).
Inviato dal mio Nexus 7 utilizzando Tapatalk
Hello guys how are you all doing?i am trying to get my nexus 7 2012 grouper work with autodroid 1.2.finally managed to install the rom.but I have a couple of issues
When I am driving,instead of the tablet charging via otg,it continues to drain battery.
When I turn the car off and the tablet goes to sleep mode,after 3/4 hours when I go back to the car and turn the car on,the tablet won’t boot up.i can hear my navigation voice but black screen.
And most of the time when I go back to the car after some few hours the tablet would be dead dead and have to take it out and charge it.
I like autodroid because of the option to have the media buttons on the Navbar,timurs rom don’t have that option it has only for volume (correct me if I’m wrong) for 2012 nexus 7.
What could be the course if the battery drain?i want to take the battery out and connect the tab to my car battery directly using the right dc converter but I am afraid it will also drain my car battery.any suggestions and help are welcome.thanks in advance for the answers
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Hello guys how are you all doing?i am trying to get my nexus 7 2012 grouper work with autodroid 1.2.finally managed to install the rom.but I have a couple of issues
When I am driving,instead of the tablet charging via otg,it continues to drain battery.
When I turn the car off and the tablet goes to sleep mode,after 3/4 hours when I go back to the car and turn the car on,the tablet won’t boot up.i can hear my navigation voice but black screen.
And most of the time when I go back to the car after some few hours the tablet would be dead dead and have to take it out and charge it.
I like autodroid because of the option to have the media buttons on the Navbar,timurs rom don’t have that option it has only for volume (correct me if I’m wrong) for 2012 nexus 7.
What could be the course if the battery drain?i want to take the battery out and connect the tab to my car battery directly using the right dc converter but I am afraid it will also drain my car battery.any suggestions and help are welcome.thanks in advance for the answers
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When I tried using the N 7 as a navigator, I found the battery going down as you describe. I found that in my case, the car's usb port was giving out a very low charge (less than 1A) which was not sufficient for the Tab's screen as well as the battery to be charged. Screen off the Tab and check if the car usb is charging it.
My solution was to use the 12V cigarette lighter port with a converter to give out atleast 1.5A.
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When I tried using the N 7 as a navigator, I found the battery going down as you describe. I found that in my case, the car's usb port was giving out a very low charge (less than 1A) which was not sufficient for the Tab's screen as well as the battery to be charged. Screen off the Tab and check if the car usb is charging it.
My solution was to use the 12V cigarette lighter port with a converter to give out atleast 1.5A.
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Hello there thanks for the reply.i took the battery out and connected the tab to the car battery using dc-dc no battery mode.when I turn the tablet on it shows 100% but then it starts dropping.so even without the battery the percentage drops down.dont know why it’s dropping because the tablet is in no battery mode connected direct to the car battery.what could the issue be?could it be the battery’s pcb ?
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Hello there thanks for the reply.i took the battery out and connected the tab to the car battery using dc-dc no battery mode.when I turn the tablet on it shows 100% but then it starts dropping.so even without the battery the percentage drops down.dont know why it’s dropping because the tablet is in no battery mode connected direct to the car battery.what could the issue be?could it be the battery’s pcb ?
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How did you connect the N 7 to the car battery? Through the car usb which you connected directly to the car battery or through a converter/adapter? Either way, obviously the current sent to the N 7 is low. Measure the output and ensure that it is atleast 1.5A.
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How did you connect the N 7 to the car battery? Through the car usb which you connected directly to the car battery or through a converter/adapter? Either way, obviously the current sent to the N 7 is low. Measure the output and ensure that it is atleast 1.5A.
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I connected the tablet to a dc dc 5v 3A or more if not mistaken.it the same I used for my nexus 7 2013 and never had issues with that(unfortunately the screen cracked)