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Cyanogenmod 4.3

Hi all,
Forgive this thread and of course move/delete if needed, but I just wanted to voice my excitement for the day CM comes the the device. I will be receiving N9005 October 9th on Three coming from the Note 2 and simply cannot wait to not only start the customisation of Samsung TW but furthermore the moment beginning flashing the custom minimalistic roms that CM and AOSP bases will be offering us.
I'm curious to see how the performance and battery life etc will be, cliché questions I realise, and how such a lightweight system on such a powerful device will be a pleasure to operate. Also I wonder of the amount of available ram could ever be changed? So I see currently that there's around 2.3gb or so system reserved (don't quote me) available and so could more of this be released when on a CM rom?
Either way, just thought I'd create a place where we can all build up some discussion for when we first begin to get a glimpse of hopefully what's to come...

Hi there and good to hear you are exited about the Note 3, as for customisation i think AOSP roms will be the best way to customise, since one developer is allready trying to make the exposed framework to work its getting blocked by the Samsung KNOX security.
I'm getting the feeling stock rom customisation is getting tough because of this KNOX stuff.

As root will break KNOX. Exposed farmwork or asop deal will be the same
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This is great news, this beginning is always so thrilling, in checking Xda so often to check the progress from watching root come out etc. I can't wait for likes of (here's hoping) Slim Bean to venture this way......
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I'm very excited to get PAC ROM in this phone. It's gonna be awesome.
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It is simply going to be amazing. Changing the DPI on this device, with the high resolution screen, the pure speed and debloated glory of the roms to come.... Plus all the beautiful themes!
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cd993 said:
It is simply going to be amazing. Changing the DPI on this device, with the high resolution screen, the pure speed and debloated glory of the roms to come.... Plus all the beautiful themes!
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I've already changed dpi using xposed, so much screen to view emails etc!
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Still standing by for word of Cyanogenmod coming to this device. Now that more people have received theres it's just a case of time! Xnote on this beast, with animations disabled, absolutely FLIES......... Just imagine CM 4.3!!
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Would really like to have CM on my N9005. Still using my GT-I9505 until it's released

ART Users - Opinions

Hi, if you've been using ART on 4.4 Roms, would you say the increase in speed is real, and have you noticed an improvement in battery life?
I tried ART yesterday and I thought it was incredibly fast, but now I wonder if it wasn't placebo.
I had to revert to Dalvik, though, because Whatsapp doesn't work in ART, but I am interested in people's opinions of ART.

No and no. Everything feels quite the same. I think it's placebo at the moment.
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Apps have not been built for art yet.
Good, then we shall fight in the shade!

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Apps have not been built for art yet.
Good, then we shall fight in the shade!
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You dont need to rebuild applications except few cases - they will crash anyway on ART.
They just replaced JIT with AOT compilation and threw away Dalvik as its not needed in case of AOT translation anymore.
Well, not yet but they plan to do so.

After I switched to ART I had constant force closes from Gapps to the point of almost having to factory wipe from recovery.
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Try odexed gapps

I think/know it is faster. (mostly in listviews)
You can tell it in apps such as XDA developers -> there are no to far less hickups/stutters with ART.
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Uups: Thought I'm in the Nexus5 forums,
so my comment is based on my experience with ART + Nexus5.
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Chrome seems faster but I'm not sure yet. The only app I had trouble with is Ti backup. I'm sure he'll release an update for it.

Does it make a difference to ART being on official Kit Kat or is it the same?

It does feel a little bit faster. It's gonna take a little while longer until we feel the real difference between ART and Dalvik.
Soon as ART ready apps start to come out, then we might have a show
So although I tried it, I went back to Dalvik for app compability reasons. I'll give it a try in a couple weeks or so.

When I enabled ART
My Nexus Boot looped..
Im running stock 4.4 ota, Deodexed.

Zaphodspeaks said:
My Nexus Boot looped..
Im running stock 4.4 ota, Deodexed.
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You need to be running an odexed rom to use ART.

Yeah..
blackhand1001 said:
You need to be running an odexed rom to use ART.
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I sort of figured that.. I originally put on the Stock OTA, had everything going well..
Then I flashed a Deodexed version someone shared..
Made a Nandroid backup so if I want to play with Stock.. Ill give it a whirl..
So far I've had no issues, but I really dont see much benefit from upgrading..
I was so looking forward to using the new Launcher.. I might just flash back to my trusty Carbon Rom with Faux kernel.
Ill wait until the kernel source and the Stock image is posted

Running non rooted N7 fhd with official 4.4. Changed to ART and the tablet is literally flying.
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Can anyone running art say how much the droidbooster app says the performance increase is? On jb it was 5.5-6 times, I wonder how much increase we can still expect from the flexycore acquisition.
http://wap.stevebasu.net/android-app-download/en/50435/DroidBooster_1.0-apk.html

Modern Combat 4, FIFA14, and Dead Effect all crashed using ART
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martin707 said:
Modern Combat 4, FIFA14, and Dead Effect all crashed using ART
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It's hard to notice any differences in speed when using ART, I tried it on my N5 but quickly went back to Dalvik because of WhatsApp being broken,
saying that, I am trying it on my Nexus 7 now. I regularly use the app 'UberSocial' for Twitter. It has always lagged when scrolling through my timeline but I continued to use it because of functionality. After I switched to ART, it no longer lags. No placebo, I use the app frequently enough to notice and it's a huge improvement. Scrolling is WAY smoother than I've ever experienced on this app before now.
So yeah, things are looking promising for Android 5.0.

True, but you only had your new phone for weeks. I had my tablet for 3 months now. It should be it noticeable when opening and closing apps
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so far
I can feel a difference when using cool reader and i open books that are very large, also when i use adobe for reading sfx magazine its amazing now there is no lag no matter how large the filesize... the only real dissapointment for me was that camera VF-5 doesnt work on art sniff sniff

godutch said:
Can anyone running art say how much the droidbooster app says the performance increase is? On jb it was 5.5-6 times, I wonder how much increase we can still expect from the flexycore acquisition.
http://wap.stevebasu.net/android-app-download/en/50435/DroidBooster_1.0-apk.html
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2.6 with ART
5.8 - 6.0 with Dalvik

[Q] Art mode in TouchWiz

Any how is this possible? Like in M8 ARHD there's ART mode option.
Any ROM here can make this possible? S800 version.

KiD3991 said:
Any how is this possible? Like in M8 ARHD there's ART mode option.
Any ROM here can make this possible? S800 version.
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Afaik only the S5 supports ART out of the box, maybe others like the Note 3 and S4 will follow.

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Afaik only the S5 supports ART out of the box, maybe others like the Note 3 and S4 will follow.
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Oh well. Thanks for the info.
I am flashing for a friend that is suffering from serious battery drain issues. So I wanted her to use ART.

ART (Android run time) is an experimental alternative to Dalvik
First introduced on Nexus 5 I believe.
My understanding was it was work in progress as not all apps would run on it.
This was the case back in Oct 2013 when Nexus 5 was released
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gee2012 said:
Afaik only the S5 supports ART out of the box, maybe others like the Note 3 and S4 will follow.
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KiD3991 said:
Oh well. Thanks for the info.
I am flashing for a friend that is suffering from serious battery drain issues. So I wanted her to use ART.
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I never noticed much of a difference when using ART on AOSP but I do want to try it on tw. A friend of mine that has the S5 says ART is actually slower than dalvik on tw. That's the only reason why I want to try to see for myself on the note 3..
paul_59 said:
ART (Android run time) is an experimental alternative to Dalvik
First introduced on Nexus 5 I believe.
My understanding was it was work in progress as not all apps would run on it.
This was the case back in Oct 2013 when Nexus 5 was released
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He wasn't asking what ART is. He was asking if note 3 has ART. And it clearly doesn't. So far only AOSP roms have ART on the note 3.
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Khizar said:
I never noticed much of a difference when using ART on AOSP but I do want to try it on tw. A friend of mine that has the S5 says ART is actually slower than dalvik on tw. That's the only reason why I want to try to see for myself on the note 3..
He never asked about noticing differences on ASOP roms utilising ART or speed comparison he was asking if any roms had ART included, good idea if you provided a link
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maxilick said:
Khizar said:
I never noticed much of a difference when using ART on AOSP but I do want to try it on tw. A friend of mine that has the S5 says ART is actually slower than dalvik on tw. That's the only reason why I want to try to see for myself on the note 3..
He never asked about noticing differences on ASOP roms utilising ART or speed comparison he was asking if any roms had ART included, good idea if you provided a link
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ART on G3!

How is G3 performing with ART? Any cons, incompatibility issues etc. Please share your thoughts and experiences here.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/How-...phone-now-swap-Dalvik-to-ART-tutorial_id57645
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Actually it kills some lags.

let me ask, can we switch back and forth between dalvik and art without any consequences? especially when we cannot know whether or not the switch could make some apps stop running.

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let me ask, can we switch back and forth between dalvik and art without any consequences? especially when we cannot know whether or not the switch could make some apps stop running.
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Ive switched back and forth and its fine.

I made the switch this morning. I'll update a bit later when I've had some time with the device. I'm using Nova which changes how the device feels from stock anyway but I'll be keen to see if there is any improvement in app switching.
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I haven't had any issues with ART and compatibility so far. My phone does get a lot of force closes on XDA's app whether I use dalvik or art it happens 10 times a day. ART sends slightly faster to me but not a huge jump like it's supposed to be.
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Little update after all day with art. Noticeable more lags- lg ui, chrome, internet, youtube. In my opinion phone much slower, battery drain much faster, compatibility- all LG apps full compatible ie camera, IR remote.
I'm back on Dalvik

I'm using art and so far it's working great. Launcher feels a bit smoother and apps open a tiny bit faster.

Both negative and positive opinions on same... confused ?
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I'm testing today... Turning on.

please those who will or is trying ART, could you check if it affects xposed modules such as gravity box, and xblast?
thanks.

cnn888 said:
please those who will or is trying ART, could you check if it affects xposed modules such as gravity box, and xblast?
thanks.
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I read that Xposed doesn't work at all on ART

Barclaycard and Blinkbox Music don't work on ART in fact Blinkbox doesn't even work on Dalvik either.

Xposed doesn't work on ART yet. A few other apps won't either but that will change over the coming months seen as android L will be ART only.
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In theory, ART should be smoother and faster, and battery life should be better.
But alot of apps, especially mod app doesn't support ART. I suggest keeping it on Dalvik until the community/google makes the switch.

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Xposed doesn't work on ART yet. A few other apps won't either but that will change over the coming months seen as android L will be ART only.
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Exactly; ART is the future of Android.
According to the article on PhoneArena (link given in first post) apart from Nexus, only the KK devices (4.4.0 and newer) having ART option natively in its firmware (2014 devices like S5, M8, Z2 and G3 as well) are to support ART, and Android L in this case, if I didn't get it wrong.
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L is supposed to be ART by default.

Curious, have it ever occurred that enabling art actually make the battery life worse?

nap007 said:
Curious, have it ever occurred that enabling art actually make the battery life worse?
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There's no reason why it would. ART compiles the dalvik byte code on first run of the Rom whilst dalvik does it every time you start an app. To convert it to the machine code uses CPU cycles and therefore more battery and dalvik does this every time you open an app.
The only thing it does is use more storage space as the pre compiled byte code has to sit on the device.
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nap007 said:
Curious, have it ever occurred that enabling art actually make the battery life worse?
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The only way it will make battery life worse is if a core app doesn't work properly with ART and therefore puts more of a strain on the system as it keeps trying to work.
However this would usually give an error message that we can all see to show its not working properly.
That being said, today is my first full day on ART and I have had terrible battery life, but I do not think (yet) that ART is to blame.

How Does the S5 do running ART?

Does the S5 on Verizon run well using ART? If enabling ART, what Apps don't work? Lastly, If I root the S5 and use Titanium to freeze or uninstall Apps, Will Art effect it ?
Thanks!

J.Guido85 said:
Does the S5 on Verizon run well using ART? If enabling ART, what Apps don't work? Lastly, If I root the S5 and use Titanium to freeze or uninstall Apps, Will Art effect it ?
Thanks!
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I personally didn't care for ART as it was glitchy on my device. Your results may be different. I encountered more than a few apps while running ART that force closed a lot. Can't remember them now as I am rooted on Dalvik. Can't speak for the last question.

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Does the S5 on Verizon run well using ART? If enabling ART, what Apps don't work? Lastly, If I root the S5 and use Titanium to freeze or uninstall Apps, Will Art effect it ?
Thanks!
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I ran ART on my Dev Edition S5 for a day or two and didn't experience any FCs on apps. What I did notice is a pretty significant decrease in available system memory when running ART. I have since discontinued using ART, I didn't see any improvements and didn't like the significant decrease in available system memory.

I didn't notice any difference in speed. But I figure it's the future so what the hell.
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I feel pretty much the same as everyone else about art at this point in time. I don't bother with it. I don't see any value in it.
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