Guys as we all face several delays and miss in informations about the new software upgrades we wish to sign a petition to force sony To share us the stages and phases about the new upgrade not as before waiting 3 months and no info,as you saw what happeb to xperia SP they delay the updates wothout any reason so guys who can help us to do it so we can get some info fron the source neither leaks nor rumors are you in guys so who can help us???
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Guys as we all face several delays and miss in informations about the new software upgrades we wish to sign a petition to force sony To share us the stages and phases about the new upgrade not as before waiting 3 months and no info,as you saw what happeb to xperia SP they delay the updates wothout any reason so guys who can help us to do it so we can get some info fron the source neither leaks nor rumors are you in guys so who can help us???
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They're already pushing updates faster than they ever have, their update process is pretty easy to follow if you put in the time and effort to research it a little. Unlike a lot of brands they put a large emphasis on optimisation which means that things run a lot smoother, note the limited number of bugs in the 4.3 software. Yet again another spam thread about where's my update, the long and short of it is you have to be patient and wait like the rest of us.
wright_ac is correct about this. Their updates has been more faster than the originally before. Even faster than optimization than the Samsung updates which tells you something already. I've been largely patient with the updates and with the newest update, I've been noting but impress with optimization and additional little UI changes which does have it quirks of wondering why they haven't done that in the first place haha. The only glimpse I have is to replace the vibration module which have been ordered. DIY here I come haha.
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Guys as we all face several delays and miss in informations about the new software upgrades we wish to sign a petition to force sony To share us the stages and phases about the new upgrade not as before waiting 3 months and no info,as you saw what happeb to xperia SP they delay the updates wothout any reason so guys who can help us to do it so we can get some info fron the source neither leaks nor rumors are you in guys so who can help us???
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Since when did a petition ever force any person or any company to do anything?
All it is likely to do is telegraph the impatience of the self obsessed.
7 updates, including 2 upgrades to new versions of Android in less than a year aren't enough for you?
4.1.2
350 -> 434 -> 253 -> 307
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569
How fast do you expect Sony to release updates if that isn't enough for you?
My previous device was a LG P990. It received 2 updates in the 2 years that I had it. Both were bug ridden messes that shouldn't have even been betas, never mind released.
So think yourself lucky with what you get from Sony.
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Unlike a lot of brands they put a large emphasis on optimisation which means that things run a lot smoother, note the limited number of bugs in the 4.3 software.
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Spot on!
Just as the Playstation 1 with the limited hardware got better and better games and graphics, so does the Z stock ROM get better and faster.
I love this device.
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7 updates, including 2 upgrades to new versions of Android in less than a year aren't enough for you?
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How fast do you expect Sony to release updates if that isn't enough for you?
My previous device was a LG P990. It received 2 updates in the 2 years that I had it. Both were bug ridden messes that shouldn't have even been betas, never mind released.
So think yourself lucky with what you get from Sony.
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instead of wasting time with incremental updates, they should focus their attention to more timely updates.
I'm on 4.2 waiting on 4.3.
4.3??!! , i should be getting 4.4 now!
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instead of wasting time with incremental updates, they should focus their attention to more timely updates.
I'm on 4.2 waiting on 4.3.
4.3??!! , i should be getting 4.4 now!
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lol... you should buy a nexus or GPE phone if you want the latest greatest android version instantly, if you want Sony's refined software, we need to give Sony time to work on it.
TO should stop whining and start learning how to develop new ROM's himself. You sound like a little kid.
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They're already pushing updates faster than they ever have, their update process is pretty easy to follow if you put in the time and effort to research it a little. Unlike a lot of brands they put a large emphasis on optimisation which means that things run a lot smoother, note the limited number of bugs in the 4.3 software. Yet again another spam thread about where's my update, the long and short of it is you have to be patient and wait like the rest of us.
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Sony firmware is just as buggy and comes with as many issues as updates from other manufacturers so your optimization argument is just bull.
The truth is flagship for flagship, Sony is much later than its competitors as far as updates go.
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instead of wasting time with incremental updates, they should focus their attention to more timely updates.
I'm on 4.2 waiting on 4.3.
4.3??!! , i should be getting 4.4 now!
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You heard it here, Sony. Don't bother fixing any bugs or bother with any quality assurance. Get those updates out the door now!
Seriously, it's plain from your post history that you have no idea what it takes to prepare, test and release an update, especially an upgrade to a new version of Android. Just stop commenting altogether until you do. Or even better go and complain on Sony's support forum like you've been told to many times in the past.
This is a development forum, primarily for people to share work they have produced and for similarly interested people to share knowledge and to learn, not a place for people with no clue to vent about things that nobody here has any control over.
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Sony firmware is just as buggy and comes with as many issues as updates from other manufacturers so your optimization argument is just bull.
The truth is flagship for flagship, Sony is much later than its competitors as far as updates go.
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Here's someone else that only comes here to complain about Sony when updates are on the horizon. Hooray!
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Sony firmware is just as buggy and comes with as many issues as updates from other manufacturers so your optimization argument is just bull.
The truth is flagship for flagship, Sony is much later than its competitors as far as updates go.
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Right, let's look at it this way is there any major bug in the 4.3 Rom that is detrimental to performance/usability, not really. If you look at how smooth 4.3 runs compared to 4.2.2 you'll see what I mean, if it's "bull" as you so call it then move to another manufacturer like HTC or Samsung. If people looked at what went into it all and saw the amount of work it takes you'd all stop complaining less.
I think more than 50% of the people forget that SONY always more than 3 phones support with updates.
How kingvortex said, there is a lot of time and management needed to realese a update or upgrade.
Do not forget this guys! That is really hard work for SONY.
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You guys can fanboy all you want. The simple fact remains Sony is always behind Samsung and HTC with software updates. It's nobody's fault they produce so many phones.
When did the s4 and HTC one get 4.3? Months ahead of Sony that's when.
The OP made the fatal mistake of posting such a thing here at xda or should I say fanboys corner.
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You guys can fanboy all you want. The simple fact remains Sony is always behind Samsung and HTC with software updates. It's nobody's fault they produce so many phones.
When did the s4 and HTC one get 4.3? Months ahead of Sony that's when.
The OP made the fatal mistake of posting such a thing here at xda or should I say fanboys corner.
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Ok some question.
What visible changes has htc made in the 4.3 update?
-None
What new great things were contained in the new update?
-Almost none
I've seen bloatwiz and sense updates and wasn't impressed at all.
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You guys can fanboy all you want. The simple fact remains Sony is always behind Samsung and HTC with software updates. It's nobody's fault they produce so many phones.
When did the s4 and HTC one get 4.3? Months ahead of Sony that's when.
The OP made the fatal mistake of posting such a thing here at xda or should I say fanboys corner.
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Do not forget, not every human buys every year a new phone. What I wanna say: HTC and Samsung does not give that update support as SONY. They update more or less the flagship and let the other phones waste after a year.
Also the most of people want a stable and smooth ROM. If SONY would release Android 4.4 after 1 week, I do not think that all would be stable.
And I prefer 1 good update than one which is not finished and I have to wait again for an update.
Here it doesn't matter if we are fanboys or not. That's fact yes, but what is better? 3 updates/phone in a year or 15 updates/phone in 2-3 years and be more or less up 2 date for long time?. If you don't like that, buy next time an other phone or unlock your bootloader and flash custom ROMs or buy a GPE.
Tommy-Geenexus said it, SONY give us also much of (new) features. They gave us the whole UI from the new Z1 with the 4.3 update.. That isn't of course. And also do not forget, SONY have to "change" all from "Android design" in to the "SONY design", that needs a lot of time.
I like the update policy because I know, every time when I read SONY will give us a new update, there will be a lot of new changes that can make me happy.
But however. Everyone should have their own opinion, they should just be realistic.
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You guys can fanboy all you want. The simple fact remains Sony is always behind Samsung and HTC with software updates. It's nobody's fault they produce so many phones.
When did the s4 and HTC one get 4.3? Months ahead of Sony that's when.
The OP made the fatal mistake of posting such a thing here at xda or should I say fanboys corner.
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Looking at your post history, you seem to have a long history of buying Sony phones and coming here to whine about every little thing.
Yet you still keep on buying Sony phones.
Why is this exactly? You would have thought anyone that seems to dislike a manufacturers practices so much would have moved on by now.
You like to throw the word fanboy around a lot, when people are simply disagreeing with what you say. This just looks like you defending you irrational hatred of Sony. I mean, you don't post here for months at a time and only pop up when updates are released to whine and moan in every slightly related thread. Sell your phone and move on if it causes you to do that!
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You guys can fanboy all you want. The simple fact remains Sony is always behind Samsung and HTC with software updates. It's nobody's fault they produce so many phones.
When did the s4 and HTC one get 4.3? Months ahead of Sony that's when.
The OP made the fatal mistake of posting such a thing here at xda or should I say fanboys corner.
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The great and powerful zoltar sees an iPhone in your future.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=49017766#post49017766
It's been closed on the forum it started in....
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You guys can fanboy all you want. The simple fact remains Sony is always behind Samsung and HTC with software updates. It's nobody's fault they produce so many phones.
When did the s4 and HTC one get 4.3? Months ahead of Sony that's when.
The OP made the fatal mistake of posting such a thing here at xda or should I say fanboys corner.
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Stop talking trash. I prefer Sony way of updating, it takes time but SURELY get its job done. The changes in UI and optimization speaks the truth.
Mind you, currently I have samsung note 3, samsung update (ex: MK7) was trash. Battery drain was a huge let-down.
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I just read about the new android version possibly coming Autumn. Since Sony has been good to us do you think we'll get it?? Here is source MOD EDIT:adfoc.us links are not allowed on XDA
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Ever unsatisfactory ??
you just got ics man enjoy it as 5.0 will take year and half to come to any device
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Ever unsatisfactory ??
you just got ics man enjoy it as 5.0 will take year and half to come to any device
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Just opening up discussion and sharing what I found. Sorry if I may seem ungrateful but I am very much content with se work thus far.
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LMFAO that's not even for phones, just tablets..Jellybean is nothing new
The whole will be 2.5 yrs old by the time its in wide distribution. Won't be a snowballs chance in hell...
Lets take this ...it was much easy for sony to update all xperia 2011 as at end of day all were running same core components ...sammy have fragmented hardware so would take considerable amount of time and money for each to make ...
2012 sony also doing same by sticking to novathor and same gpu so no problems for updates
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I think XPlay can handle as much as ICS. They wouldn't update their 2011 devices in 2013, maybe only Xperia S, P, U, sola (2012 Sony devices) etc. will get that new update.
I would not even hold your hopes up for official ICS.
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Sony has said that they don't particularly believe ICS will run as well as we want it to on their phones. Given that, and the fact that Jellybean will be advanced beyond ICS, as well as the fact that Jellybean has been said to be tablet-only, I don't think Android 5 will ever, ever see the light of day on the Xperia Play.
Wait, Jellybean is tablet only? I thought the whole point of ICS was to merge the tablet and handheld branches on android into one unified platform moving forward. I guess that went out the window. Maybe there is something to that whole "fragmentation" argument after all.
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Wait, Jellybean is tablet only? I thought the whole point of ICS was to merge the tablet and handheld branches on android into one unified platform moving forward. I guess that went out the window. Maybe there is something to that whole "fragmentation" argument after all.
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I thought so, too.
@jdz7t8 and crono141
I think they mean that Android 5.0 will be primarily focused on features for Tablets. It will also come for Smartphones though because then it wouldn´t make any sense what they´ve done with Android 4.0 . Seriously, would be dumb to fragment Android even more from a app developer sight.
And Android 5.0 for our Xperia Play... Well, i doubt it will happen. Look at other smartphone devices. The Galaxy S didn´t get ICS because it got two majour updates (2.2 and 2.3) and it was two years old at the time when the update plan from Samsung was released which is very old for a smartphone (usually 1 year support). And it was successful! ICS is possible from a hardware perspective. The main reason is to prompt customers to buy a new smartphone. Other companies are even worse in this matter(Motorola, LG).
I mean Sony isn´t bad. They did it better with the 2011 Xperia Line. But they
want to sell their new phones. I would appreciate if they bring that update, but unless they announce anything in regards to that, i believe there isn´t any update for us.
I think that Sony should be focusing on giving their customers a good experience with their phones. It would benefit all their us customers who typically get their phones every two years. They need to keep their us customers loyal to their brand right?
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I think that Sony should be focusing on giving their customers a good experience with their phones. It would benefit all their us customers who typically get their phones every two years. They need to keep their us customers loyal to their brand right?
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....... GB w/ working games and touchpad not a good experience? or is Ics with few working games and no touchpad a even better experience?
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Hellos guys
Herez the gud news for Xperia Z Series Flagship phones
First up, Jelly Bean 4.3
We’re pleased to tell you that we’ll start rolling Android 4.3 for Xperia Z, Xperia ZL, Xperia ZR, Xperia Tablet Z, Xperia SP, Xperia Z Ultra and Xperia Z1 from next month*.
We also mentioned that a few of our products would be jumping software version – so, we can confirm that Xperia T, Xperia TX and Xperia V* will be upgraded to Android Jelly Bean 4.3… also from next month.
And, to Kit Kat 4.4
We’re also happy to tell you about the first raft of Xperia products that we’ll make Android 4.4 Kit Kat available for – they are: Xperia Z, Xperia ZL, Xperia Tablet Z, Xperia Z Ultra and Xperia Z1*.
On that, please stay tuned to the social newsroom and @SonyMobileNews, where we’ll update you with specific info on product upgrade timings & software features as things progress.
If you have any questions or comments, feel free to drop them below.
*Software rollouts are a phased process – timings & availability may vary by market / carrier
check the below website
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2013/11...ss&utm_campaign=on-jelly-bean-4-3-kit-kat-4-4
Question is, when are they going to release the update?
I like it....
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Question is, when are they going to release the update?
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Next month, as it says in the OP.
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EDIT: XPERIA Z will be the first Sony device that will receive both new android flavors 4.3 and 4.4
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EDIT: XPERIA Z will be the first Sony device that will receive both new android flavors 4.3 and 4.4
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Where did you get this?
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EDIT: XPERIA Z will be the first Sony device that will receive both new android flavors 4.3 and 4.4
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Yes, so Sony tells us. Based on my experience with Sony i fear version 4.4 will be out by the time 5.0 already is availalble.
Hope Sony surprises us this time...
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Yes, so Sony tells us. Based on my experience with Sony i fear version 4.4 will be out by the time 5.0 already is availalble.
Hope Sony surprises us this time...
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Pretty sure they will. But probably not in a good way.
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Can't people just be happy that support for this phone has not been dropped (yet), instead of complaining about timescales for release of the promised updates?
I thought people on these forums are a little more in the know than most places and would realise that it's not a fast process to prepare, test and release an update that isn't completely broken/full of bugs.
I guess I was wrong lol.
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Can't people just be happy that support for this phone has not been dropped (yet), instead of complaining about timescales for release of the promised updates?
I thought people on these forums are a little more in the know than most places and would realise that it's not a fast process to prepare, test and release an update that isn't completely broken/full of bugs.
I guess I was wrong lol.
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Come on, you know this could be much much quicker of Sony would give this priority.
See what our XDA senior developers achieve in just a few weeks, days, hours...
pietrucci said:
Come on, you know this could be much much quicker of Sony would give this priority.
See what our XDA senior developers achieve in just a few weeks, days, hours...
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The developers here do a fantastic job and I have massive respect for everything they do for the modding/Android community. Several devices of mine have had their useful lives extended greatly because of people on XDA.
However, they are not under the same constraints as the devs that work for Sony.
Sony's devs will be under strict developmental, testing and qa constraints and cannot release updates with bugs and rely on people providing bug reports/logcats to fix said bugs after the fact. They have to release software with all features working and with minimal bugs.
Not to mention all the red tape/paperwork they no doubt have to deal with and the other devices that all need maintaining. I would also imagine that the budget for maintaining older devices is dwarfed by the budget for new devices.
It's also worth noting that a lot of the devs good work on XDA is only possible because of blobs/binaries provided by Sony's devs in the first place.
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Sony releases an update with a camera app that takes 4 sec to open and everyone loses sleep over it while some1 here releases an update with wifi issues, screen on delays etc, they get praise for the device bring up which gets labeled as 1st release. lol
Obviously Sony cant depend on rapid development and recoveries and backups and all the fancy stuff we do when we get into issues when it relates to the average android user who by the phone and occasionally plug it in for PC companion to update and that's it. When wifi stops working no one is gonna say " oh this is a first release. They will fix it soon". People take back the devices and swap brands like that. Consumers are a fickle bunch.
Also as I have always said to myself , AOSP is the most barebones and feature lacking kind of experience out there. Android has matured a lot since the froyo gingerbread days and so have the OEM modifications. The reason I decided on the XZ against the N4. I am one willing to sacrifice smoothness for functionality any day. My Z is still stock and I will probably keep it that way til the EOL is reached. I came from the LG O2x which got ICS in December/January so trust me when is say I can wait lol.
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Come on, you know this could be much much quicker of Sony would give this priority.
See what our XDA senior developers achieve in just a few weeks, days, hours...
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I agree, I think we all know they could have done this even 2 months ago. But do consider, they have to put in all bugs and make the OS laggy...you know how hard a job that is?
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Like I said... They made money already. Why would they spend more?
You know how much its costing them to pay 1 second-grade developer and 4 trainees so they could have a running upgrade dept? $120 a day! Thats too much for them.
(sorry for the ranting sarcasm...moving on...)
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http://androidcommunity.com/android-4-4-update-teased-for-sony-xperia-devices-20131101/
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There is nothing teased, it's just the news they put up.
Real question is, who cares?
I have seen no difference with kitkat and 4.2. apart from google now, now on the left. so I am not excited at all. The apptray needs the border removed on the Z, also camera improvements welcome.
andyukking said:
Real question is, who cares?
I have seen no difference with kitkat and 4.2. apart from google now, now on the left. so I am not excited at all. The apptray needs the border removed on the Z, also camera improvements welcome.
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Overall Performance seems better on KK. The difference between ART and dalvik is pretty big in some apps aswell. 4.3 brings trim.
The camera however ... Not so sure about that. I doubt they will even update the camera stuff. Why bother spending time and money optimizing an old flagships camera when people can just buy the New flagship with a camera that is advertised to be incredible? That's how a big company works. Time is money. Sad reality.
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Question is, when are they going to release the update?
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The C6616 model hasn't even gotten the 4.2 update yet.
Ya hopefully the C6616 will see 4.3 if not we will have to flash C6603
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How do you think the software update support from Sony for this model will be like?
I personally hope that it'll get the same treatment as Z1 (prioritised updates during its 1st year...?), but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked. I guess it'll depend on the sales too...?
Discuss below!
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How do you think the software update support from Sony for this model will be like?
I personally hope that it'll get the same treatment as Z1 (prioritised updates during its 1st year...?), but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked. I guess it'll depend on the sales too...?
Discuss below!
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Kitkat update for March (oficial)
nizarnoor said:
How do you think the software update support from Sony for this model will be like?
I personally hope that it'll get the same treatment as Z1 (prioritised updates during its 1st year...?), but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked. I guess it'll depend on the sales too...?
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be sure that sony will support this phone for at least two years.
this is sony policy so far for flagships.
Sony Xperia S & Ion were flagships of 2012 and they support it until nowadays.
from Jan2012 to Jan2014.
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x102x96x said:
be sure that sony will support this phone for at least two years.
this is sony policy so far for flagships.
Sony Xperia S & Ion were flagships of 2012 and they support it until nowadays.
from Jan2012 to Jan2014.
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Xperia Ion - released June 2012. Last updated by Sony: June 2013 (twelve months later). Plus the last version released was 4.1.2 Jelly Bean (which was released by Google in October 2012). So really it only got four months of support.
Xperia S - released February 2012. Last updated by Sony: August 2013 (18 months later). However again, the last version released was 4.1.2 which was released by Google in October 2012, so really 8 months of support.
At most we can expect to see KitKat and the next android version to come to our Xperia Z1Cs. Beyond that we won't get support. But this is XDA, we don't need official updates anyway :victory:
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but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked!
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Why do you say that ?
One Twelve said:
Why do you say that ?
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It's just that I haven't seen a massive marketing push for this from Sony.. So it's like they're not giving this model the attention it deserves, which might mean they're not planning to support it. I really hope I'm wrong on that though.
There was a full page advert for the Z1c on the back of the free London Evening Standard newspaper yesterday.
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Xperia Ion - released June 2012. Last updated by Sony: June 2013 (twelve months later). Plus the last version released was 4.1.2 Jelly Bean (which was released by Google in October 2012). So really it only got four months of support.
Xperia S - released February 2012. Last updated by Sony: August 2013 (18 months later). However again, the last version released was 4.1.2 which was released by Google in October 2012, so really 8 months of support.
At most we can expect to see KitKat and the next android version to come to our Xperia Z1Cs. Beyond that we won't get support. But this is XDA, we don't need official updates anyway :victory:
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Seems like Sony is getting better and faster with updates nowadays (That was 2012 now is 2014). Look at T,V or Z for example.
Just like my favourite album from Calvin Harris : "18 Months"
at least Sony has to update this phone in 18 months update cycle.
I'm just saying
So is it confirmed the Z1c will get the same update that the Z1 will get come March?
Golgo said:
So is it confirmed the Z1c will get the same update that the Z1 will get come March?
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Yes, of course. I don't know about March but KitKat will surely come. And beyond KitKat updates will probably come as well. No worries there, really.
I think that the manufacturers should support the devices they sell but not in they way that some people believe they should. I think they should only provide software updates to fix bugs and improve performance. I do not believe that they should offer updates to the next version of android. It takes a lot of resources and money to adapt android x.x with Sony interface and then make it work on a dozen different devices. Resources that could be put towards a better experience on newer devices. I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for. Not 4.3+4.4+4.5 . On the flip side I believe that when a new version of android is made available that manufacturers not be allowed to offer a device with an older version. That would take some effort from Google and the manufacturers but it would be great if all the phones that came out after Halloween already had KitKat. And let the hate commence.
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I think that the manufacturers should support the devices they sell but not in they way that some people believe they should. I think they should only provide software updates to fix bugs and improve performance. I do not believe that they should offer updates to the next version of android. It takes a lot of resources and money to adapt android x.x with Sony interface and then make it work on a dozen different devices. Resources that could be put towards a better experience on newer devices. I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for. Not 4.3+4.4+4.5 . On the flip side I believe that when a new version of android is made available that manufacturers not be allowed to offer a device with an older version. That would take some effort from Google and the manufacturers but it would be great if all the phones that came out after Halloween already had KitKat. And let the hate commence.
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I don't think I could imagine being in that kind of customers shoes.
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darksideauto said:
I think that the manufacturers should support the devices they sell but not in they way that some people believe they should. I think they should only provide software updates to fix bugs and improve performance. I do not believe that they should offer updates to the next version of android. It takes a lot of resources and money to adapt android x.x with Sony interface and then make it work on a dozen different devices. Resources that could be put towards a better experience on newer devices. I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for. Not 4.3+4.4+4.5 . On the flip side I believe that when a new version of android is made available that manufacturers not be allowed to offer a device with an older version. That would take some effort from Google and the manufacturers but it would be great if all the phones that came out after Halloween already had KitKat. And let the hate commence.
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Hardware now is at the point where a high-end phone should last a good 3 years or even indefinitely.. I mean.. do we need 8 cores and 4k screens? I would not want an environment where a producer is forced to spawn new hardware just because new software is available, I would like it to happen more organically than that.
While hardware arms-race is great at drastically improving performance in new technology, there should theoretically be a limit where hardware improvements may not outweigh the cost to the consumer, and it is at this point where software takes over. Processing power and screen resolution is at a point where anything more is redundant. At least I think that software is where the future is at. I'd take a good and useful feature, instead of imperceivable pixel-density or more CPU power.
Keep in mind I'm not saying screen resolution and cpu-core improvements are worth zero, I just think they may not be worth as much as Qualcomm is trying to make us believe. Battery performance on the other hand, gimmie -- though this is equal parts software and hardware. There are many hardware improvements that are infinitely more useful than a new android-version, unfortunately they are overlooked by the naive consumer that just want whatever the producers can most easily improve upon.
I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for.
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Ha! You've got to be kidding, you can not possibly defend this statement? When you pay 500$ for a phone, you'd rather have Sony forget all about you and move on the next phone? A new android major-version update can be just as impressive and fun as new hardware, and if you don't want it, don't install it? I don't count bug-fixing, included in the price of a new phone, should be the promise of a bug-free and functional device.
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Ha! You've got to be kidding, you can not possibly defend this statement? When you pay 500$ for a phone, you'd rather have Sony forget all about you and move on the next phone? A new android major-version update can be just as impressive and fun as new hardware, and if you don't want it, don't install it? I don't count bug-fixing, included in the price of a new phone, should be the promise of a bug-free and functional device.
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Im not sure how to respond in a way that would not bring more negative feedback.
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It's just that I haven't seen a massive marketing push for this from Sony.. So it's like they're not giving this model the attention it deserves, which might mean they're not planning to support it. I really hope I'm wrong on that though.
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I hope this doesn't come off as my being totally USA-centric, but the biggest worry I have in this regard is the lack of U.S. sales, and hence, support. How much of a flagship device can it be without including the largest (counting the EU as separate markets) market? I'm looking hopefully to MWC for some clue otherwise, but not very confident.
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I hope this doesn't come off as my being totally USA-centric, but the biggest worry I have in this regard is the lack of U.S. sales, and hence, support. How much of a flagship device can it be without including the largest (counting the EU as separate markets) market? I'm looking hopefully to MWC for some clue otherwise, but not very confident.
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I was also quite irritated with Sony's choice to practically ignore the USA. Im also wondering why they hold back some devices and accessories for the Japanese market for weeks or even months before they are released to the rest of the world.
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CAL7 said:
the biggest worry I have in this regard is the lack of U.S. sales, and hence, support. How much of a flagship device can it be without including the largest market?
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Largest smartphone markets (predicted for 2014):
Country - Annual sales
China - 283 million
India - 225 million
USA - 89 million
Distant third, dude. But at least you beat Russia in the ice hockey, there's a bit of national pride to cling on to.
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I was also quite irritated with Sony's choice to practically ignore the USA. Im also wondering why they hold back some devices and accessories for the Japanese market for weeks or even months before they are released to the rest of the world.
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Because Sony has always been a domestic brand (like many Japanese companies) but also with a large European arm for the majority of their products. Anything successful in both these markets will eventually find its way further afield.
Given their current financial state, you can hardly blame them for not wanting to take risks.
And let's not forget the US market for the average consumer is totally inaccessible with only one SKU per colour.
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I see we're all going crazy about the specs of the Xperia Z2, but no one here appears to be concerned about how slow sony is to roll out updates, Kitkat 4.4. was released on the 31th of October, and the Xperia Z1 , sony's current flagship still hasn't got it :/ ... 4 months after the release , they plan on delivering the update on April, 5 months, maybe 5 and a half months after 4.4 was really released and they're not making any promises of improving, what do you guys think?
That's definitely a concern of mine. Sony is worse than the major Android manufacturers (Motorola, HTC, Samsung, even LG is rolling out its Kitkat update) in terms of updates. One consolation is that Android updates aren't as big or crucial as they used to be since it is a pretty mature OS at this point, but I can't deny that I find Sony's update speed disappointing. I don't think it will stop me from getting the Z2, tho.
You have problems with 4.3?
It's incredible how people aren't satisfied, ever...
Wait and you'll get your KitKat...Sony is actually building their UI, it's not only cheap mask over Google framework - that's why they need time.
Wen you get KitKat you'll request another version...or you'll open thread to request root for kitkat...
Relax, you still have almost one whole year of support and everything will come and be released on time.
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Chad_Petree said:
I see we're all going crazy about the specs of the Xperia Z2, but no one here appears to be concerned about how slow sony is to roll out updates, Kitkat 4.4. was released on the 31th of October, and the Xperia Z1 , sony's current flagship still hasn't got it :/ ... 4 months after the release , they plan on delivering the update on April, 5 months, maybe 5 and a half months after 4.4 was really released and they're not making any promises of improving, what do you guys think?
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It s so good If companies support their flagships for OS upgrade But there s no different between Sony or Samsung or ...
currently i m using Note3 on JB 4.3 however 4.4.2 for all variants released from Samsung But it s too slow.
If you want number of OS version you should buy nexus devices. that Google support them ~2 years (like Galaxy Nexus) with fast upgrade and release.
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You have problems with 4.3?
It's incredible how people aren't satisfied, ever...
Wait and you'll get your KitKat...Sony is actually building their UI, it's not only cheap mask over Google framework - that's why they need time.
Wen you get KitKat you'll request another version...or you'll open thread to request root for kitkat...
Relax, you still have almost one whole year of support and everything will come and be released on time.
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Do you really think that getting the update 5 months later is acceptable? It's not like we're getting a new UI with sony's implementation of kitkat, we should actually , I don't understand why reasonably demanding for things, makes us a**holes, should we just keep quiet and be content with what companies give us? How do you think HTC and Motorola updated their game ? By listening the the users complain , they want our money? They'd better work for it!
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Do you really think that getting the update 5 months later is acceptable? It's not like we're getting a new UI with sony's implementation of kitkat, we should actually , I don't understand why reasonably demanding for things, makes us a**holes, should we just keep quiet and be content with what companies give us? How do you think HTC and Motorola updated their game ? By listening the the users complain , they want our money? They'd better work for it!
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What are you really doing here - takes as is or leave it
I'm on a Nexus 5 and I love both pure Android and quicker updates. Unfortunately the lack of Hw specs (battery and microsd) will drive me to Z2 and its slowlier upgrades of sw.
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I'm on a Nexus 5 and I love both pure Android and quicker updates. Unfortunately the lack of Hw specs (battery and microsd) will drive me to Z2 and its slowlier upgrades of sw.
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We're on similar situation , I can't stand the awful battery life of the nexus 5 , I don't miss the SD card at all since I have the 32 gb version and that's enough for me, what bothers me too is that the 16:9 photos are 6 MP, I would like 12-13 MP photos, I don't need 20 MP photos but I'm not complaining either Haha
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Some more thoughts on slower updates that might make your mind rest a little easier:
As someone else pointed out, if you take Samsung as an example, faster updates aren't always a good thing. Samsung devices are usually pretty well optimized for the version of Android they ship with, but when they update to a new major version of Android the performance can get substantially worse. I've noticed this with several Samsung devices. So giving a manufacturer the time to make sure everything works well on their hardware is a good thing. Keep in mind brand-new Android releases are often tailored to a subset of Android hardware in the latest Nexus devices, and hardware differences in other devices might take a while to perfect.
Also, new major versions of Android often have bad bugs. Look at Motorola who invested a lot of effort into getting 4.4 on the Moto X very soon after it was released. Unfortunately 4.4 had several major bugs including broken Exchange support! Moto X owners who upgraded were stuck with broken devices until Moto released 4.4.2 months later. So it is also good to wait for at least a couple of point releases before a manufacturer commits to a new version of Android.
Nexus devices don't have these issues because they can just keep releasing new updates quickly, but if a manufacturer's customized Android actually offers valuable improvements (which I think Sony's does) it makes sense to take a little longer.
I still wish Sony were faster, tho
I'm a bit worried. I honestly Sony would concentrate on one flagship per year, like everyone else. I'm on an XZ and am sick of trying to keep up. I'm considering my next phone now, but I can't say if the z2 is a slam dunk now. I do like the sound of the speakers though...
I've used Sony (Ericsson) phones for years. Late updates are a condition you either live with or jump ship. Sony has always been notoriously late with update releases.
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Personally not worried about getting updates late but a bit worried about not getting updates at all after a while & becoming abandoned
I mean Samsung is releasing Kitkat for GS3 which is a device from may 2012, Not sure if it's the same with Sony specially with their two flagship a year strategy
I'm not. If there is not a disturbing bug in Z2, I still use it. If the new feature that roll out from Sony and Google with an update is not necessary and attracting to me,I don't change my phone to other brand.
Who cares what OS version you got? Unless there is a bug or something, I don't care if I ever get any updates. I would even prefer the older version now since they messed up the notification screen.
To be honest, Jellybean is stable enough so that we don't necesarily "need" further updates. I'm "suck" on 4.1.2 on my optimus g and don't really mind at all(And yes, LG is worse at abandoning their flagships). Got kit kat on my nexus 7 and don't really see much difference. I miss the great sony UI though. Still torn between this phone and the z1.
I buy phone - start to see if everything works - root - flash custom rom. Never worries about updates.
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And tell me what features of 4.4 you so desperately need having just 4.3 ? I understand the importance of an update, but on the other and I think people exaggerate the need for them a lot...
So to answer the question - no, i'm not afraid. Frankly speaking, I don't really care, as long as it won't take a year or so.
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And tell me what features of 4.4 you so desperately need having just 4.3 ?
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A pretty major update in 4.4 for devices with on-screen buttons, like the Xperia series, is "immersive mode" (http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...go-truly-full-screen-hide-the-navigation-bar/). There are other nice updates, and maybe that one doesn't interest you, but to me it's a big deal. You never know when Google is going to throw a great new feature like that in.
augie7107 said:
I've used Sony (Ericsson) phones for years. Late updates are a condition you either live with or jump ship. Sony has always been notoriously late with update releases.
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What? Worse than Samsung?
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While we're waiting for the release of the Lollipop update, who should be this month, the Russian Samsung S4 gt-i9500 got the update. The S4 not the S5.
What bothers me the most, is almost all the flagships (Samsung, LG, Nexus, HTC,...) got the update expect Sony's
Link in french sorry ?
https://www.dz-android.com/officiel-android-lollipop-est-disponible-pour-le-galaxy-s4-gt-i9500/
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What do you want
A firmware made of hardwork
Or rushed work
Either way sony has been working harder than they ever have on Lolipop for Xperias
It would have been nice if they were at the same level as their opponents, that's all what I'm saying
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It would have been nice if they were at the same level as their opponents, that's all what I'm saying
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True but Quality like this may be worth waiting for.
No other brands do/can do what sony does
Its such a simple thing though.
Hope that they will release it soon
It is yet February and some of ya'll will the asap Lollipop, just unbelievable, have patients buddies, Sony will bring it out, they will made it perfect and no rushed work like Samsung/LG etc that ya'll have alot bugs then and it is also useless ythat some of ya'll still compare Sony with any other (rushing) company... LOL !
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What do you want
A firmware made of hardwork
Or rushed work
Either way sony has been working harder than they ever have on Lolipop for Xperias
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+1000
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algnerd said:
While we're waiting for the release of the Lollipop update, who should be this month, the Russian Samsung S4 gt-i9500 got the update. The S4 not the S5.
What bothers me the most, is almost all the flagships (Samsung, LG, Nexus, HTC,...) got the update expect Sony's
Link in french sorry ?
https://www.dz-android.com/officiel-android-lollipop-est-disponible-pour-le-galaxy-s4-gt-i9500/
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You should buy a nexus.
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You should buy a nexus.
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If Sony sells its mobile division, I'd probably by a nexus
I'll take Samsung for my example because I know them.
Samsung will rush their update, they make sure everything works as it should, but the software is not optimized, My S3 would always lag really badly when I updated, it could take 5 seconds for the app draw to load, and they fill it with bloat and update their own apps which also lag really badly. I would prefer to wait another month as see a quality product rather than relive my Samsung nightmare.
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You should buy a nexus.
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Sony gave you the phone for free??
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Sony gave you the phone for free??
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Was a gift from my gf, like my other phones.
Free phones ftw.
They should take their time. No need to hurry. Quality phone requires quality update
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They should take their time. No need to hurry. Quality phone requires quality update
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They do take their time
Does non one see this
167 firmware took forever to come and its practicly bugless on stock.
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They do take their time
Does non one see this
167 firmware took forever to come and its practicly bugless on stock.
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God, I love Sony. Sad they were laying off Xperia branch employees
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y300owner said:
God, I love Sony. Sad they were laying off Xperia branch employees
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Sony is doing better now
Slower updates
Better updates
I dont care if it takes longer because its buggless
167 is a prime example.
Its coming soon, be patient!
To be honest it's this month and whenever they start to roll out the update, it'll be there on multiple servers unlike Samsung or HTC.
Other OEMs haven't started rolling it out completely and Only problem with Sony is that I am afraid they'll update mid-range phones to lollipop.
Plus Selling their mobile division won't happen I guess. They just need to stop producing more phones and just stick to a plan with less devices with more futuristic updates with some cool ads. Unlike boring or stupid ones. and they will rise from this nightmare and will continue to amaze us but I really hope that they'll release Camera features with the next lollipop update
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To be honest it's this month and whenever they start to roll out the update, it'll be there on multiple servers unlike Samsung or HTC.
Other OEMs haven't started rolling it out completely and Only problem with Sony is that I am afraid they'll update mid-range phones to lollipop.
Plus Selling their mobile division won't happen I guess. They just need to stop producing more phones and just stick to a plan with less devices with more futuristic updates with some cool ads. Unlike boring or stupid ones. and they will rise from this nightmare and will continue to amaze us but I really hope that they'll release Camera features with the next lollipop update
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Boosted Android L camera software with ray plus xperia camera... Going to be crazy!!!
algnerd said:
While we're waiting for the release of the Lollipop update, who should be this month, the Russian Samsung S4 gt-i9500 got the update. The S4 not the S5.
What bothers me the most, is almost all the flagships (Samsung, LG, Nexus, HTC,...) got the update expect Sony's
Link in french sorry ?
https://www.dz-android.com/officiel-android-lollipop-est-disponible-pour-le-galaxy-s4-gt-i9500/
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I understand where you're coming from but it's been a Perennial issue with Sony. It's a very competitive industry and lagging behind others does Sony no good. There will always be the expected responses from Sony fans like better to wait for an update which is bug free than one rushed and bug ridden .
Truth is, there has never been an update from Sony that's been bug free and there probably never will be as is the case with all manufacturers.
The good news is they're at least closing the gap. Once upon a time they were many months behind. It's unfortunate because the Sony ui is one of the closest to stock so you should expect it to be one of the earliest.
Software support has never been one of their highest priorities but the new CEO did say they wanted to improve in this respect.
Let's hope so eh!
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They do take their time
Does non one see this
167 firmware took forever to come and its practicly bugless on stock.
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167 took ages because Sony wanted to showcase the software on the z3 range. That was down to strategy and not software optimisation. The 6 month madness was to blame for the delay in getting 4.4.4 to the z2. Nothing else!
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I understand where you're coming from but it's been a Perennial issue with Sony. It's a very competitive industry and lagging behind others does Sony no good. There will always be the expected responses from Sony fans like better to wait for an update which is bug free than one rushed and bug ridden .
Truth is, there has never been an update from Sony that's been bug free and there probably never will be as is the case with all manufacturers.
The good news is they're at least closing the gap. Once upon a time they were many months behind. It's unfortunate because the Sony ui is one of the closest to stock so you should expect it to be one of the earliest.
Software support has never been one of their highest priorities but the new CEO did say they wanted to improve in this respect.
Let's hope so eh!
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167 took ages because Sony wanted to showcase the software on the z3 range. That was down to strategy and not software optimisation. The 6 month madness was to blame for the delay in getting 4.4.4 to the z2. Nothing else!
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Notice that I've been loyal to Sony since my first phone (w810) and so and so. And I would love to stick with Sony to the very last end but they should make some changes.
I don't know if its me, but the only bug I did have was with the Z when running 4.3: an app couldn't sync with the server, also the widgets stopped working from time to time.
That's all I can remember from the w810, w995, x2, x10, J, S, Z and Z2 bugs