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[Q] AT&T Galaxy S4 with T-Mobile Help

So I recently got a Galaxy S4 from a friend and unlocked it to use on T-Mobile. I got it unlocked with guides on here but I haven't found a way to get faster data speeds. I've been searching on here for a way to maybe get HSPA+ and seen some people have got some faster speeds. Hopefully someone can provide some help because I'm completely lost when it comes to the different bands and what they are.

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chickenburritos said:
So I recently got a Galaxy S4 from a friend and unlocked it to use on T-Mobile. I got it unlocked with guides on here but I haven't found a way to get faster data speeds. I've been searching on here for a way to maybe get HSPA+ and seen some people have got some faster speeds. Hopefully someone can provide some help because I'm completely lost when it comes to the different bands and what they are.
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There is a way to enable AWS bands for t-mobile. Just did it this morning...Search box is your friend ..... try "Enable AWS"
wait for it....
here's the thread, please dont be shy about searching... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2291589

[Q] [Q&A] Trying to get Simple Mobile SIM to work on Note 3

Hello,
This is has been a very frustrating situation but here is where I am at currently. I use a carrier called "Simple Mobile" and they are an under carrier to TMobile. I want to own and use a Samsung Note 3 but can not get my SIM to work. That is the short introduction. I am providing some more information because this has been a long drawn out process but the bottom line is I want to continue using Simple Mobile AND use a Note 3.
Background: Back in late June 2014, I bought a used Note 3 N900V from ebay after I broke my Note 1. I love my Note 1 and it was the ATT branded model. I had the phone (Note 3)and it worked but had a very poor signal compared to using the same SIM card with my Note 1 (those threads are still available under my username). After many failed attempts to correct the situation and being educated about the phone model and so forth I found it in my best interest to return the phone for a refund and just repair my Note 1.
Currently: I repaired my Note 1 after the fiasco with the N900V model. However, my screen went purple recently and then wouldn't light up at all anymore. So I am where I was last time and looking to replace it. This time, armed with my knowledge from last time, I bought another Note 3 (model N900T this time), thinking it would be more compatible with my Simple Mobile (sub carried by T Mobile) as the N900T is a T-Mobile friendly phone. NOTE: I bought the phone used and through a mistake of the seller, what I have is actually a N900W8. The seller had replaced the screen and did a motherboard swap. The result is a phone with markings that say N900T but after a boot up provides software descriptions showing N900W8.
Why do I want to use Simple Mobile so bad? : Simple mobile charges me 40.00 + tax for Unlimited Data, Calls and Texts domestically + limited international texting to certain countries. For me, that is a great deal and I dont have to do a contract or pay extortionate fees to other providers. Yes, I am a cheap Bas*&^d as evidenced by me buying used phones to save a few hundred $$$'s here and there.
Dilemma: In my bid to purchase a Note 3 that works I looked at the Simple Mobile site. They do indeed sell a new model N900T, Link here: <http://www.mysimplephones.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-III-Simple-Mobile.html> HOWEVER, when you look at another page for compatible phones you will find that the N900T is not even a compatible model for Simple Mobile's 4G LTE service. YOU WILL HOWEVER FIND that there are two models of Note 3 that WILL work. The N900W8 (Canadian Model) and the N900A (ATT). This link shows those compatible 4G LTE phones: <http://simplemobileinfoblast.com/4glte/phones.php>
Interesting note: While I do actually have a 4G LTE compatible phone technically, since the phones software shows it is a N900W8 despite the shell being embossed N900T, it will not work AT ALL on my carrier. All attempts result in "NOT REGISTERED ON NETWORK" messages. My research thus far seems to indicate that the N900W8 Models come unlocked as new so I do not feel that my phone is locked.
Conclusion: My Note 1 is broken and I don't want to repair it so I will sell it as is elsewhere. I have a Note 3 N900W8 that will not work that I am going to return to the seller since it is not even the right model to begin with. It should be noted that the screen on the N900W8 WAS replaced but not very well and there are some annoying defects on the underside of the screen as a result. So after all of this expostition, Can anyone please tell me what model of Note 3 to get that will work with my simple mobile SIM?
It is my sincere hope that someone has gone through this same situation and can help guide me a bit.
Thank you

Wallace Bagwell said:
Hello,
This is has been a very frustrating situation but here is where I am at currently. I use a carrier called "Simple Mobile" and they are an under carrier to TMobile. I want to own and use a Samsung Note 3 but can not get my SIM to work. That is the short introduction. I am providing some more information because this has been a long drawn out process but the bottom line is I want to continue using Simple Mobile AND use a Note 3.
Background: Back in late June 2014, I bought a used Note 3 N900V from ebay after I broke my Note 1. I love my Note 1 and it was the ATT branded model. I had the phone (Note 3)and it worked but had a very poor signal compared to using the same SIM card with my Note 1 (those threads are still available under my username). After many failed attempts to correct the situation and being educated about the phone model and so forth I found it in my best interest to return the phone for a refund and just repair my Note 1.
Currently: I repaired my Note 1 after the fiasco with the N900V model. However, my screen went purple recently and then wouldn't light up at all anymore. So I am where I was last time and looking to replace it. This time, armed with my knowledge from last time, I bought another Note 3 (model N900T this time), thinking it would be more compatible with my Simple Mobile (sub carried by T Mobile) as the N900T is a T-Mobile friendly phone. NOTE: I bought the phone used and through a mistake of the seller, what I have is actually a N900W8. The seller had replaced the screen and did a motherboard swap. The result is a phone with markings that say N900T but after a boot up provides software descriptions showing N900W8.
Why do I want to use Simple Mobile so bad? : Simple mobile charges me 40.00 + tax for Unlimited Data, Calls and Texts domestically + limited international texting to certain countries. For me, that is a great deal and I dont have to do a contract or pay extortionate fees to other providers. Yes, I am a cheap Bas*&^d as evidenced by me buying used phones to save a few hundred $$$'s here and there.
Dilemma: In my bid to purchase a Note 3 that works I looked at the Simple Mobile site. They do indeed sell a new model N900T, Link here: <http://www.mysimplephones.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-III-Simple-Mobile.html> HOWEVER, when you look at another page for compatible phones you will find that the N900T is not even a compatible model for Simple Mobile's 4G LTE service. YOU WILL HOWEVER FIND that there are two models of Note 3 that WILL work. The N900W8 (Canadian Model) and the N900A (ATT). This link shows those compatible 4G LTE phones: <http://simplemobileinfoblast.com/4glte/phones.php>
Interesting note: While I do actually have a 4G LTE compatible phone technically, since the phones software shows it is a N900W8 despite the shell being embossed N900T, it will not work AT ALL on my carrier. All attempts result in "NOT REGISTERED ON NETWORK" messages. My research thus far seems to indicate that the N900W8 Models come unlocked as new so I do not feel that my phone is locked.
Conclusion: My Note 1 is broken and I don't want to repair it so I will sell it as is elsewhere. I have a Note 3 N900W8 that will not work that I am going to return to the seller since it is not even the right model to begin with. It should be noted that the screen on the N900W8 WAS replaced but not very well and there are some annoying defects on the underside of the screen as a result. So after all of this expostition, Can anyone please tell me what model of Note 3 to get that will work with my simple mobile SIM?
It is my sincere hope that someone has gone through this same situation and can help guide me a bit.
Thank you
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OK, so the Note N9005 is the same as the T and w8 models except for the radio differences. From the sounds of it the N3 you pruchased may have been blocked as it's carrying the not registered on network error (which is the common one for this) however. it's possible it's locked down but my understanding is the w8 is quite unrestricted.
IN regards to what model you should/need to use, if your carrier is under the T-Mo umbrella/piggy backs of their network then you need the N900T which is T-Mo's device. - But you may wanna ring T-Mo and ask to be 100% positive.
EDIT You wanna avoid the N900A (ATT) unless you're 100% sure you can get LTE with your provider, there's been a few people who have bough the A model and haven't been able to use it due to it being for ATT only (again, radio issues.)
After re-reading, I think the N900T is the one for sure (especially as Simple sell it (doubt they'll sell a device that isn't LTE compatible?), and I would ring Simple and T-Mo for 100% clarification as obviously, dropping a few hundred $$ on a phone which may not work isn't nice.

radicalisto said:
OK, so the Note N9005 is the same as the T and w8 models except for the radio differences. From the sounds of it the N3 you pruchased may have been blocked as it's carrying the not registered on network error (which is the common one for this) however. it's possible it's locked down but my understanding is the w8 is quite unrestricted.
IN regards to what model you should/need to use, if your carrier is under the T-Mo umbrella/piggy backs of their network then you need the N900T which is T-Mo's device. - But you may wanna ring T-Mo and ask to be 100% positive.
EDIT You wanna avoid the N900A (ATT) unless you're 100% sure you can get LTE with your provider, there's been a few people who have bough the A model and haven't been able to use it due to it being for ATT only (again, radio issues.)
After re-reading, I think the N900T is the one for sure (especially as Simple sell it (doubt they'll sell a device that isn't LTE compatible?), and I would ring Simple and T-Mo for 100% clarification as obviously, dropping a few hundred $$ on a phone which may not work isn't nice.
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Thank you for reading and replying...
Im quite torn but what you say makes plenty of sense.
I am under the same thought process as yours thinking that the N900T version they sell in their own shop is the model to get.... but then I read about the compatible devices with "4G LTE" and dont even see it, but instead see the N900W8 and N900A models instead. I had the N900V model Note 3 before and it "worked" on my network but the coverage and signal strength suffered greatly and displayed +H most of the time. So the N900V at least worked with my SIM vs the N900W8 not even using the network (it does show ATT and Simple Mobile networks under the network settings but cant register on either one).
I know they are different phones completely but the ATT branded Note 1 gave me no problems at all with my Simple SIM. My wife has the same model Note 1 as me and her phone actually shows 4G LTE next to the bars whereas mine only shows 4G. I called and spoke to CS a few months ago to figure out the disparity and it would seem that since I bought her SIM card more recently that mine (hers 2014 vs mine 2011) that the SIM itself makes the network 4G LTE more friendly somehow. So with that in mind I have ordered a new micro SIM from Simple thinking that it might solve some issues. The only reason I never ordered a new SIM sooner is because I wasnt really worried about the 4G LTE vs 4G problem as my UL/DL speeds were more than adequate. Hence, I am seriously thinking of trying out the N900A model.
I guess the easiest answer is that I think the N900T model "would work" but the compatible model page shows the other 2 models and not the N900T with regards to 4G LTE coverage and NOT general signal coverage.
I am going to ring T mobile and see if this model is locked down, thanks for that, good advice.
In regards to me being 100% sure about the ATT model being LTE compatible, I am thinking it would be possible (not 100% though) with regards to my wife's N1 and newer SIM (hers is also a branded ATT N1 like my broken ATT N1. with an older SIM).
Any thoughts? Thanks again...

The Note 3, changed a lot in regards to the hardware and radios used. Samsung and the carriers in their infinite wisdom trying to lock people down via either region lock, sim lock and boot loader lock downs.
It is possible that the A model will work, it could be that Simple has a deal with T-Mo and ATT in which it can use both carriers towers for H+ and LTE.
See what T-Mo say, and even give ATT a ring also, no harm in asking them direct.
Also as you've stated the sim may also have something to do with picking up LTE straight of the bat.
Ring T-Mo/ATT see what they say, then that way you know which way to go and at least doing it that way you have the comfort in knowing that the provider themselves have assured you what will and won't work.
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radicalisto said:
The Note 3, changed a lot in regards to the hardware and radios used. Samsung and the carriers in their infinite wisdom trying to lock people down via either region lock, sim lock and boot loader lock downs.
It is possible that the A model will work, it could be that Simple has a deal with T-Mo and ATT in which it can use both carriers towers for H+ and LTE.
See what T-Mo say, and even give ATT a ring also, no harm in asking them direct.
Also as you've stated the sim may also have something to do with picking up LTE straight of the bat.
Ring T-Mo/ATT see what they say, then that way you know which way to go and at least doing it that way you have the comfort in knowing that the provider themselves have assured you what will and won't work.
Sent from my Spectrum ZX +2
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I'm looking up the contact numbers for T Mobile now and will probably try to look at what ATT has to say/can do.
Simple Mobile, bless their hearts, to keep things so cheap use a calling center in the Philippines and have been of very little help to me trying to figure this out.
I'll keep this thread updated but I'm still torn between the N900V and N900A, only leaning towards the N900A because of the link I shared earlier with regards to 4G LTE compatibility. :/
Thanks again Radicalisto.

Hope you get it sorted, let me know the outcome I'm quite curious now myself. Good luck!
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radicalisto said:
Hope you get it sorted, let me know the outcome I'm quite curious now myself. Good luck!
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So I have finally reached a solution.
After all of the hassle and trial and error, I was able to get a Note 3 to work with 4G LTE by using a Note 3 model N900A and an updated Simple Mobile Sim card.
It seemed a little counter intuitive to use an ATT branded phone versus a T Mobile branded phone knowing that Simple is undercarried by T mobile but that is just what it took.
It should be known that I did not try and use my "old" SIM from Simple but ordered a new one and had my number transferred to the new SIM before the phone arrived. The rational behind purchasing a new SIM was based on the experience of my wife and I using our Note 1(s). Both of our Note 1(s) were ATT branded (i717). Though I bought her Simple SIM about 2 years after my own. The result was my phone only showed 4G while hers would should 4G LTE. Strange being they are both the same model phone with the same carrier but that was the fix: updated SIMs, whether it was embedded software or something else.
So for now, I can close this little chapter and enjoy my Note 3.
If anyone else is reading this, please feel free to message me and I will be happy to share anything I may have forgotten to share here.
Thanks to everyone who helped as well, I know I have a few threads on XDA looking for solutions. :/
Wallace

Good stuff, glad you got it sorted

HELP - Verizon Sim in GS5 (US Cellular) SM-G900R4

I have 2 Galaxy S5's that I was given and would like to use them with Verizon. I did take them to US Cellular and they have been unlocked. They have Lollipop 5.0 on them and I rooted them and installed TWRP.
Here's the issue: I can put a Verizon sim card in them and they work, except they are in roaming mode. There is the triangle by the signal bars to indicate roaming. I would like to get them out of roaming so they see Verizon towers. I don't get 4g because of the roaming, I believe.
I have tried posting in the US Cellular thread and had no help.
I don't know if I can use them with Verizon and get 4G and out of roaming.
I have lots of experience with Verizon phones Galaxy S4 & Galaxy Note 4. But never messed with another carrier phone.
Any help - direction would be greatly appreciated. Thanx everyone....

any solution to this yet? i have been having the same problem for a month or so. about used to slow 3g. thanks

Try using this website along with qpst, qxdm, and efs professional...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/forum....o-add-rf-lte-frequency-bands-to-t2886059/amp/
Let me know if it works!!!

General reviews missing main problem.......

Guys
I am a bit disappointed with the reviews on line.
Lots of people wrote lots of reviews, specs, etc….
Everyone failed to mentioned that the S-7 edge CANNOT do data and voice at the same time using Sprint network.
What am I missing? How come this was overlooked by everyone or failed to mentioned.
I belie eths is a very important performance issue for people thinking to upgrade (downgrade) their current phones.
I have a note 3 and I can be on WAZE, talk on the phone and get text simultaneously with the same sprint plan as my S7 edge which cannot do that.
I spoke to Samsung tech department and Sprint tech department in a nut shell they both agree that the S7 cannot do that.
I thought you guys should know.
The S7 is a downgrade in functionality to many older phones like a note 3
PS Note 7 has the same problem and possibly many others phones relying on the LTE network with sprint provider.

Tungsten c said:
Guys
I am a bit disappointed with the reviews on line.
Lots of people wrote lots of reviews, specs, etc….
Everyone failed to mentioned that the S-7 edge CANNOT do data and voice at the same time using Sprint network.
What am I missing? How come this was overlooked by everyone or failed to mentioned.
I belie eths is a very important performance issue for people thinking to upgrade (downgrade) their current phones.
I have a note 3 and I can be on WAZE, talk on the phone and get text simultaneously with the same sprint plan as my S7 edge which cannot do that.
I spoke to Samsung tech department and Sprint tech department in a nut shell they both agree that the S7 cannot do that.
I thought you guys should know.
The S7 is a downgrade in functionality to many older phones like a note 3
PS Note 7 has the same problem and possibly many others phones relying on the LTE network with sprint provider.
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Yeah, this has been an issue since the days of the newer model S4's. The problem is that the newer Sprint phones (probably in the last 3 years) don't have two separate radios like your note 3 or my old S3 and allowed for data and voice simultaneously. This is an issue with CDMA carriers mostly. Verizon allows both voice and data simultaneously over VoLTE, but there is a catch. If you are in a non-LTE area (3g/1x) you lose the function. Additionally, if you are on a call and leave a LTE area and transition to a 3g/1x area, you lose the call completely. Sprint hasn't turn on VoLTE because the hand off technology doesn't prevent this yet. I can't remember 100%, but I believe you only hand voice and data together on older phones if you were in an LTE area because of the different antennas...might be wrong on this one.
GSM carriers are a different story...no issues there.
Hope this helps...but this has been an ongoing issue. I can use google maps and talk at the same time...strange that Waze can't do that.

lvpre said:
Yeah, this has been an issue since the days of the newer model S4's. The problem is that the newer Sprint phones (probably in the last 3 years) don't have two separate radios like your note 3 or my old S3 and allowed for data and voice simultaneously. This is an issue with CDMA carriers mostly. Verizon allows both voice and data simultaneously over VoLTE, but there is a catch. If you are in a non-LTE area (3g/1x) you lose the function. Additionally, if you are on a call and leave a LTE area and transition to a 3g/1x area, you lose the call completely. Sprint hasn't turn on VoLTE because the hand off technology doesn't prevent this yet. I can't remember 100%, but I believe you only hand voice and data together on older phones if you were in an LTE area because of the different antennas...might be wrong on this one.
GSM carriers are a different story...no issues there.
Hope this helps...but this has been an ongoing issue. I can use google maps and talk at the same time...strange that Waze can't do that.
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That is news to me I am used to my note 3 and I can basically do anything I want text data waze etc never had to think about it. I returned my first S7 edge (I ws within my 14 days) because I thought it was deffective go figure. I just got yesterday the replacement and I.have not open it yet. Dont know what to do. Are there any new phones out there that can still so that ?
PS I noticed first time when I was driving with waze and talking on the phone and tried to alert people of a policemen the phone told me no internet service thats how I find out never before with my note 3 had that issue .
Thanks

Guys i am so upset and in disbelieve that everyone using sprint is fine with the fact that the phone only single task. Its basically BS big time. I guess I will run my note 3 to the ground. Its beyond my normal understanding why the consumers will purchase something with less capabilities than the one before. My fellows friends enjoy the S7 I just can't justify it.
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Tungsten c said:
That is news to me I am used to my note 3 and I can basically do anything I want text data waze etc never had to think about it. I returned my first S7 edge (I ws within my 14 days) because I thought it was deffective go figure. I just got yesterday the replacement and I.have not open it yet. Dont know what to do. Are there any new phones out there that can still so that ?
PS I noticed first time when I was driving with waze and talking on the phone and tried to alert people of a policemen the phone told me no internet service thats how I find out never before with my note 3 had that issue .
Thanks
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So you were driving, talking on the phone, and trying to play around with the waze app at the same time? Maybe the lack of simultaneous data and voice is what you need

Maybe but many times I am out on a site and a customer calls with a questiion and during the phone call I text my field engineer the location in question and also the customer sent a plan sheet via email and that my friend its how I pay for my toys. With the S7 I have to hang up. With a phone 3 generations back I don't (Note 3).
Industry uses the term upgrade very loosely.
Why should I/you pay over 700 dollars for a device that provides less . Maybe I just don't understand the word upgrade.
But at the very least this forum and manny other forum should note that fact on the reviews.
And don't forget nonroot on top of that.
Please understand I had a Note 3 for a long time I never would have thought that multitasking was going to be an issue. In fact stupid of me I returned my first S7 edge within the 14 days because I thought it was defective. I read lots of reviews but no warning.
Go Note 3.
PS while I am messing around with this just got an email from the client.... you can't

This issue affects pretty much all the handsets released through Sprint in the past couple of years. It is not limited to the S7.
Until such time as Sprint implements VoLTE on its network this will continue to be an issue. Sprint is the only one of the four major carriers not to have implemented VoLTE yet.

myphone12345 said:
This issue affects pretty much all the handsets released through Sprint in the past couple of years. It is not limited to the S7.
Until such time as Sprint implements VoLTE on its network this will continue to be an issue. Sprint is the only one of the four major carriers not to have implemented VoLTE yet.
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Does anyone know why the remove the cdma antenna from all phones? It seems to me that even when VoLTE its implemented we will have to pay for the service. Now its included. Also are there any recent phones being made with the dual antenna?
Thanks

Tungsten c said:
Does anyone know why the remove the cdma antenna from all phones? It seems to me that even when VoLTE its implemented we will have to pay for the service. Now its included. Also are there any recent phones being made with the dual antenna?
Thanks
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They did remove any antennas. They are no longer putting secondary transceivers to support the phone being connected to two different networks at the same time. The main reason this was done is due to the large number of bands phones have to support nowadays.
When VoLTE is implemented there will not be an additional cost.

myphone12345 said:
They did remove any antennas. They are no longer putting secondary transceivers to support the phone being connected to two different networks at the same time. The main reason this was done is due to the large number of bands phones have to support nowadays.
When VoLTE is implemented there will not be an additional cost.
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You know what it is amazing to me...we loose service and no one cares and yet the consumer its willing to pay top price for hardwarw that provides less services regardless of the reason. I have a note 3 with super connectivity which in my opinion it's the main reason to have a mobile device.

Confusion with Verizon S8 on StraightTalk with an AT&T sim

Hi guys... i'm actually brand new to the forums. I read threads on here a lot since I will google a phone question & this website usually comes up in some of the 1st results. I never made an account though.. I have now because I haven't been able to find a clear answer on this one..
Just a little back story ; I had StraightTalk with an AT&T simcard from like 2013-2016 on straight talk with an iPhone 5, 5S, and 6 but they were all either AT&T models, or, for example, the iPhone 6 I had was an unlocked model. They worked regardless. & I never had any issues with coverage. I got signal practically everywhere, and had LTE coverage always. It was literally a clone of the coverage you'd get if you actually had AT&T, the coverage maps matched and data speeds weren't even capped, I was getting about 20 or so megs around here in the area, which would have been the same even if I was actually with AT&T.
I went to Verizon postpaid when I turned 18, and wanted to get a new phone, so I was on postpaid from May of 2016 with Verizon until about 2 days ago because they were just getting too expensive to afford. I assumed my experience with straight talk was gonna be exactly the same as it always was when I had them with all my iPhone's. & just to let you guys know, I did much research beforehand & I knew that all of Verizon's smartphone being released these days are already carrier unlocked, & are world/global phone's right out of the box. Not only this, but the model of my Verizon S8 is SM-G950U, which is the same model number as the unlocked galaxy S8 that's not sold from any carrier.
So with all of that in mind, for some reason, my coverage is terrible on StraightTalk. I am only getting HSPA+ ( faux 4g, i'm acting as if you guys don't know what i'm talking about :laugh: ) & when I leave my house, very RARELY LTE. Signal strength is not as good either. I've searched google for hours..... & i've tried multiple different APN's on the phone... but I can't seem to do anything. & I couldn't find many threads on here about it either. I'm just so confused and lost because it is a known fact that the Verizon S8 is a world phone. & the bands that AT&T runs it's LTE on is also the exact same bands that the G950U supports. So is there something i'm doing wrong here? Or something you guys might be able to help me with? I know that with all my iPhone's on ST I was getting LTE no matter what and signal strength was much better. It's just very dissapointing that I spent $60+ on an activation kit, and get absolutely ****ty coverage, and I have no clue what to do at this point. I've given up. For anyone who took the time to read all of this, thank you. Lol.

Flash the unlocked firmware and all will be good
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bricky23 said:
Flash the unlocked firmware and all will be good
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OP, any updates?

AgentH22 said:
OP, any updates?
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wondering the same thing myself:silly: