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I have a Samsung Galaxy S4 on AT&T. This is my first android and I'm trying to get a grasp on rooting as an ex-jailbreaker. I've tried reading and searching but unfortunately I just need to ask some specifics.
My understanding is that the current root for this phone is derived from a Motorola root and that it does not include a way to make backups. I am eager to root but I really don't want to take extra risk than is necessary. Is something like CWM required to backup your phone in a way that protects you against accidentally messing up the filesystem? And is there any way to get something like CWM on this phone yet?
I see that there is now a custom recovery for this phone on galaxys4root dot com but can I even use it without something like CWM.
I'd appreciate any info, thanks for your patience.
HardOnChairs said:
I have a Samsung Galaxy S4 on AT&T. This is my first android and I'm trying to get a grasp on rooting as an ex-jailbreaker. I've tried reading and searching but unfortunately I just need to ask some specifics.
My understanding is that the current root for this phone is derived from a Motorola root and that it does not include a way to make backups. I am eager to root but I really don't want to take extra risk than is necessary. Is something like CWM required to backup your phone in a way that protects you against accidentally messing up the filesystem? And is there any way to get something like CWM on this phone yet?
I see that there is now a custom recovery for this phone on galaxys4root dot com but can I even use it without something like CWM.
I'd appreciate any info, thanks for your patience.
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We cant have CWM until bootloader is unlocked (assuming you have the US AT&T version)
That being said, seeing how there is no custom ROMs you can use ODIN as a kind of backup. It'll wipe and then install factory /system partition, leaving /data alone (you can wipe /data in stock recovery if needed).
CWM works better as it backs up YOUR phone (including mods and /data).
_Dennis_ said:
We cant have CWM until bootloader is unlocked (assuming you have the US AT&T version)
That being said, seeing how there is no custom ROMs you can use ODIN as a kind of backup. It'll wipe and then install factory /system partition, leaving /data alone (you can wipe /data in stock recovery if needed).
CWM works better as it backs up YOUR phone (including mods and /data).
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Would a stock firmware be enough to get me back up if I mess up my phone with root access? That's my main concern.
HardOnChairs said:
I have a Samsung Galaxy S4 on AT&T. This is my first android and I'm trying to get a grasp on rooting as an ex-jailbreaker. I've tried reading and searching but unfortunately I just need to ask some specifics.
My understanding is that the current root for this phone is derived from a Motorola root and that it does not include a way to make backups. I am eager to root but I really don't want to take extra risk than is necessary. Is something like CWM required to backup your phone in a way that protects you against accidentally messing up the filesystem? And is there any way to get something like CWM on this phone yet?
I see that there is now a custom recovery for this phone on galaxys4root dot com but can I even use it without something like CWM.
I'd appreciate any info, thanks for your patience.
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The answers to all of the questions you asked are in these threads...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2261573
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2252248
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2257058
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2259933
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2261232
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2254274
I found a few of those threads, they are what prompted my additional questions. But the second to last one seems to answer my question. Thanks.
HardOnChairs said:
I found a few of those threads, they are what prompted my additional questions. But the second to last one seems to answer my question. Thanks.
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You can use either Kies or Odin and the stock factory firmware to completely return to factory stock, but be careful with ODIN, if you check the wrong options it can hard brick your phone.
MotoChopper
I would like to know ...
I rooted my S4 with Motochopper and I realized that my boot animation changed (to the one Samsung used in older models...) Is it easy to put back the new one ?
Hey folks.
I attempted to ask this in the most relevant thread, but as a new user I can not.
My question pertains to the CASUAL root tool for the S4.
Developed by AdamOutler.
Described in the thread "[ROOT[RECOVERY] Loki + TWRP + Motochopper CASUAL-R527b release"
The tool looks pretty amazing.
But I do have some questions.
Please forgive me in advance I am an UBER NEWBIE.
Many of the terms thrown around here are completely foreign to me.
(Yes, I've searched for that knowledge - but perhaps you are underestimating my noobness. )
(Yes, I have read the "[HOW-TO] The All-In-One Root/Backup/Flash Guide - [I337 & I337M]" thread as well... it helped but... yeah still a noob.)
FYI: The only reason I want to root my S4 (AT&T) is so I can remove the crappy bloatware, and also configure the anti-theft/find-phone features of the avast! app.
Ok so on to the questions...
1) Once this is done what's to stop some update from my carrier un-doing it all?
2) If that were to happen how much pain would I be in for?
3) If the only way to protect one's self from this is to somehow disable OS/firmware updates... is the only way to get future OS updates through a ROM?
4) This TWRP thing seems to be a backup/recovery tool?
I gather that it also enable ROMs flashing, etc?
I've read others like "Titanium Backup" because it can freeze/remove the bloatware.
Are they both kinda the same thing?
Will the two conflict?
5) This "Nandroid" is another backup tool?
Am I correct in my understanding that the TWRP leverages nandroid - or are they comepeting solutions.
6) Is Nandroid a system function or some other tool that needs installed?
Thanks a bunch folks!
~Doug
DougYITBOS said:
Hey folks.
I attempted to ask this in the most relevant thread, but as a new user I can not.
My question pertains to the CASUAL root tool for the S4.
Developed by AdamOutler.
Described in the thread "[ROOT[RECOVERY] Loki + TWRP + Motochopper CASUAL-R527b release"
The tool looks pretty amazing.
But I do have some questions.
Please forgive me in advance I am an UBER NEWBIE.
Many of the terms thrown around here are completely foreign to me.
(Yes, I've searched for that knowledge - but perhaps you are underestimating my noobness. )
(Yes, I have read the "[HOW-TO] The All-In-One Root/Backup/Flash Guide - [I337 & I337M]" thread as well... it helped but... yeah still a noob.)
FYI: The only reason I want to root my S4 (AT&T) is so I can remove the crappy bloatware, and also configure the anti-theft/find-phone features of the avast! app.
Ok so on to the questions...
1) Once this is done what's to stop some update from my carrier un-doing it all?
2) If that were to happen how much pain would I be in for?
3) If the only way to protect one's self from this is to somehow disable OS/firmware updates... is the only way to get future OS updates through a ROM?
4) This TWRP thing seems to be a backup/recovery tool?
I gather that it also enable ROMs flashing, etc?
I've read others like "Titanium Backup" because it can freeze/remove the bloatware.
Are they both kinda the same thing?
Will the two conflict?
5) This "Nandroid" is another backup tool?
Am I correct in my understanding that the TWRP leverages nandroid - or are they comepeting solutions.
6) Is Nandroid a system function or some other tool that needs installed?
Thanks a bunch folks!
~Doug
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1) Once this is done what's to stop some update from my carrier un-doing it all?
If you root you will not be able to get updates any longer.
2) If that were to happen how much pain would I be in for?
Its not going to happen because you are rooted.
3) If the only way to protect one's self from this is to somehow disable OS/firmware updates... is the only way to get future OS updates through a ROM?
The only way you will get updates is ODIN back to stock. Again, no worries.
4) This TWRP thing seems to be a backup/recovery tool?
I gather that it also enable ROMs flashing, etc?
I've read others like "Titanium Backup" because it can freeze/remove the bloatware.
Are they both kinda the same thing?
Will the two conflict?
TWRP - is a recovery, so you can perform nandroid backups, and to flash roms, and to restore backups. Nothing more, nothing less.
Titanium Backup is a app you use within the rom, to backup and restore apps with, you can read more on this going to the market, it will explain this app's features and what it does.
They are not the same, 2 different programs, that do 2 different things.
Question 5 & 6 answered in #4 answer.
Hope this helps, kinda down and dirty, try and do some reading on all of the above.
Appreciate the thanks.
Thank you and good luck.
Thanks a bunch TheAxman
You said...
TheAxman said:
1) Once this is done what's to stop some update from my carrier un-doing it all?
If you root you will not be able to get updates any longer.
3) If the only way to protect one's self from this is to somehow disable OS/firmware updates... is the only way to get future OS updates through a ROM?
The only way you will get updates is ODIN back to stock. Again, no worries.
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So does the Root tool (in this case the CASUL script by Adam) do something to shut down carrier updates or I need to do something extra?
Also if one were to ODIN back to stock... and get an update... and then re-root...
I assume you could get an old backup from an external storage area and try to get all your "stuff" back?
DougYITBOS said:
Thanks a bunch TheAxman
You said...
So does the Root tool (in this case the CASUL script by Adam) do something to shut down carrier updates or I need to do something extra?
Also if one were to ODIN back to stock... and get an update... and then re-root...
I assume you could get an old backup from an external storage area and try to get all your "stuff" back?
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Once you root,, it changes the rom status to custom, so the update see's that and does NOTHING. if you odin back to stock, un-root, you can force updates, but be careful with updates, carriers are patching things so we can not do what we do, and that is to run custom roms on phones THAT WE OWN!
And btw, if this person xBeerdroiDx gives me a thanks, he is saying I did ok... If you seem to have anymore questions, his guide is one of the best....
[HOW-TO] The All-In-One Root/Backup/Flash Guide - [I337 & I337M]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2314494
Thanks to xBeerdroiDx - For this great Startup Guide
Thanks again!
DougYITBOS said:
Thanks again!
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Your quite welcome, if you have any other questions, feel free to ask them in the thread I gave you or mine.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2295557
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I figured Axman may know.
In the past on my S2, I would flash a lot of roms. maybe after every 5 or 10 I would odin back to stock, boot it up, re-root, re-twrp, then flash another rom. just to get a very clean slate in a sense.
If I were to do this with the S4, you dont think the ATT update would get pushed in the 30 mins to an hour that the phone is in its stock state, do you? I dont want to get mf3'd.
orlandoxpolice said:
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I figured Axman may know.
In the past on my S2, I would flash a lot of roms. maybe after every 5 or 10 I would odin back to stock, boot it up, re-root, re-twrp, then flash another rom. just to get a very clean slate in a sense.
If I were to do this with the S4, you dont think the ATT update would get pushed in the 30 mins to an hour that the phone is in its stock state, do you? I dont want to get mf3'd.
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hehe it could, but highly unlikely, and if you feel that it may happen, do what I do, remove the sim until you get rooted, and then put the sim back in and complete the setup. Your not going to get calls in that time period anyways.
Good luck.
btw..this is cool, name please.
Dog: [Pitbull Sharpei Mix] Rom: Stock
TheAxman said:
hehe it could, but highly unlikely, and if you feel that it may happen, do what I do, remove the sim until you get rooted, and then put the sim back in and complete the setup. Your not going to get calls in that time period anyways.
Good luck.
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ah good idea. i suppose airplane mode would accomplish the same thing as well
orlandoxpolice said:
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I figured Axman may know.
In the past on my S2, I would flash a lot of roms. maybe after every 5 or 10 I would odin back to stock, boot it up, re-root, re-twrp, then flash another rom. just to get a very clean slate in a sense.
If I were to do this with the S4, you dont think the ATT update would get pushed in the 30 mins to an hour that the phone is in its stock state, do you? I dont want to get mf3'd.
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I'm just throwing my limited experience out. I have never went back to stock via Odin simply to get a "clean slate." Completing a full wipe including a system format in recovery will be sufficient for a clean OS. I would reserve Odin flashing as a last resort for when problems aren't being remedied by a full wipe and format via recovery.
CamFlawless said:
I'm just throwing my limited experience out. I have never went back to stock via Odin simply to get a "clean slate." Completing a full wipe including a system format in recovery will be sufficient for a clean OS. I would reserve Odin flashing as a last resort for when problems aren't being remedied by a full wipe and format via recovery.
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Thank you sir, appreciate the help, and yes, good idea.
TheAxman said:
Thank you sir, appreciate the help, and yes, good idea.
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might have been a placebo effect for me, lol.
TheAxman said:
1) Once this is done what's to stop some update from my carrier un-doing it all?
If you root you will not be able to get updates any longer.
2) If that were to happen how much pain would I be in for?
Its not going to happen because you are rooted.
3) If the only way to protect one's self from this is to somehow disable OS/firmware updates... is the only way to get future OS updates through a ROM?
The only way you will get updates is ODIN back to stock. Again, no worries.
4) This TWRP thing seems to be a backup/recovery tool?
I gather that it also enable ROMs flashing, etc?
I've read others like "Titanium Backup" because it can freeze/remove the bloatware.
Are they both kinda the same thing?
Will the two conflict?
TWRP - is a recovery, so you can perform nandroid backups, and to flash roms, and to restore backups. Nothing more, nothing less.
Titanium Backup is a app you use within the rom, to backup and restore apps with, you can read more on this going to the market, it will explain this app's features and what it does.
They are not the same, 2 different programs, that do 2 different things.
Question 5 & 6 answered in #4 answer.
Hope this helps, kinda down and dirty, try and do some reading on all of the above.
Appreciate the thanks.
Thank you and good luck.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but its my understanding if you're rooted and still stock the MDL will still update to MF3 unless you either completely flash a custom ROM or rename the OTA files that At&t have on our devices.
where you end up, depends on where you start.
AT&T SGH-I337 32G
lilbigdude1 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but its my understanding if you're rooted and still stock the MDL will still update to MF3 unless you either completely flash a custom ROM or rename the OTA files that At&t have on our devices.
where you end up, depends on where you start.
AT&T SGH-I337 32G
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somewhat, but as soon as you root, your phone status is custom correct? therefor how can it update? Yes, it is better to do a custom rom, but you can still stay on MDL and never get updates, freezing the samsung update will work, but I gave the easiest way in his situation.
TheAxman said:
Once you root,, it changes the rom status to custom, so the update see's that and does NOTHING. if you odin back to stock, un-root, you can force updates, but be careful with updates, carriers are patching things so we can not do what we do, and that is to run custom roms on phones THAT WE OWN!
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Hi...I'm another noob with a question about this. I also just used CASUAL to root my phone yesterday. I am definitely rooted but my Device Status actually still shows Official. Following the info in another thread, I used ES File Explorer's Root Manager to rename the wssyncmldm.apk.
Info from: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2268946
The thread was actually written for a previous update, but renaming the apk should still be relevant.
Maybe this was overkill, but...
texasniteowl said:
Hi...I'm another noob with a question about this. I also just used CASUAL to root my phone yesterday. I am definitely rooted but my Device Status actually still shows Official. Following the info in another thread, I used ES File Explorer's Root Manager to rename the wssyncmldm.apk.
Info from: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2268946
The thread was actually written for a previous update, but renaming the apk should still be relevant.
Maybe this was overkill, but...
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I was just rooted and it showed custom status after, so no updates, you must check the status. just flashing a kernel will change the status, if you are going to root and install a recovery, some things are to go without saying.
Btw, I have learned, that nothing with information is an overkill, if you haven't notice xda is a bunch of peoples ideas and such, and many do not work for others, it is a hit miss.
TheAxman said:
I was just rooted and it showed custom status after, so no updates, you must check the status. just flashing a kernel will change the status, if you are going to root and install a recovery, some things are to go without saying.
Btw, I have learned, that nothing with information is an overkill, if you haven't notice xda is a bunch of peoples ideas and such, and many do not work for others, it is a hit miss.
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Yeah...maybe I am referring to the wrong thing, but I was surprised that Settings > More > About Device > Status > Device Status still said "Official" on mine. I know CASUAL succeeded. TWRP is installed, SuperUser is installed. And I was able to use ES File Explorer's Root Manager to change system to R/W and rename the apk. So even though I'm very much an android novice, I'm pretty certain I'm rooted. I don't necessarily plan to flash a rom yet...but since I was still on MDL I wanted to retain the current ability to do so!
Is there some other place that it would show Custom as opposed to Official? That's actually why I went ahead and renamed that file.
texasniteowl said:
Yeah...maybe I am referring to the wrong thing, but I was surprised that Settings > More > About Device > Status > Device Status still said "Official" on mine. I know CASUAL succeeded. TWRP is installed, SuperUser is installed. And I was able to use ES File Explorer's Root Manager to change system to R/W and rename the apk. So even though I'm very much an android novice, I'm pretty certain I'm rooted. I don't necessarily plan to flash a rom yet...but since I was still on MDL I wanted to retain the current ability to do so!
Is there some other place that it would show Custom as opposed to Official? That's actually why I went ahead and renamed that file.
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I did not mean to confuse anyone. Yes you did the right thing by renaming the the file. if your device says official then this step is needed. mine said custom. umm i stand corrected fellows..another step is needed. thanks for the oversight. i am only human..im not a animal.
TheAxman said:
I did not mean to confuse anyone. Yes you did the right thing by renaming the the file. if your device says official then this step is needed. mine said custom. umm i stand corrected fellows..another step is needed. thanks for the oversight. i am only human..im not a animal.
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if you are paranoid then there are 3 files you can freeze. i cant remember which ones, but one is att update something something, thats all i can remember.
im no help
I think everyone gets the picture.
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I ve rooted s3s note 2 etc... BUt I just tried to root my GS4 on Sprint, and it said write protected, now even though I was able to install super user on the device but it isn't working properly, and I cant flash any rom's any advice would be very much appreciated, I also noticed when I out the device into download mode to push cwm recovery it said write protection enabled, how can I disable this. thanx ahead XDA members...:fingers-crossed:
Are you on MF9 or MDL?
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Mf9
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Which root method did you use?
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I don't know how members mess up rooting a device. We have great and VERY easy methods. Plus tutorial vids from QBKing77.
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You're supposed to use ChainFire's auto root method: CF-auto-root
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PearlS4 said:
I ve rooted s3s note 2 etc... BUt I just tried to root my GS4 on Sprint, and it said write protected, now even though I was able to install super user on the device but it isn't working properly, and I cant flash any rom's any advice would be very much appreciated, I also noticed when I out the device into download mode to push cwm recovery it said write protection enabled, how can I disable this. thanx ahead XDA members...:fingers-crossed:
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The write protect is normal and does not impact rooting or flashing anything. So any issues you are having are unrelated. It would be a problem with something you installed or are trying to install.
As Salil999 said, cf auto is the preferred rooting method if you aren't installing an already rooted Rom.
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an updated method/step by step procedure "how to root" IS really needed.
Salil999 said:
You're supposed to use ChainFire's auto root method: CF-auto-root
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(Sorry but this is NOT directed at you i am simply quoting to prove a point)
This is something I have had an issue with as well. Despite how easy it might be for most not everyone catches on as quickly because of common misconceptions or how they might perceive the information because everyones mind works differently. I have used the CF root method and it is NOT the best method to use considering even after I used it i still had NO root. Top that off and add the fact that i even downgraded the version I had several times and i have searched countless times how to do a manual root and just havent had the time to complete a full root. Not everyone has the option to tinker all day (not saying that you do) to understand or figure it out IE real life - kids work school etc. what ever the case is. I have flashed a bootloader several times after establishing root to do nandroid backups/iso imgs and actually completed several come to find out that for some reason my Root did not stick at all when i had thought it did and i followed everything many times step by step to no avail achieve a permanent root. There is a problem with the process and I am sorry but everyone else that has gotten root is just fortunate the latest update has really put a damper on doing root the way it is described and is NOT current to fit everyones needs ATM. I am sure there are MANY others like the OP myself and others that are having the SAME EXACT ISSUE. I am not new to ADB and have been rooting my phones since the HTC came out with the original Supersonic Evo 4G using the ADB method and some people without providing any options just have to think that because some of us are having problems that we (or I) are not "intelligent" enough to figure it out and i have worked with computers since windows for workgroups 3.11 and construct my own Gaming RIGs, Servers, Laptops (and phones recently as of the last 2+ years) never having any issues because its just second nature to me at times with PCs and Laptops. Phones on the other hand are much more complicated because of incompatibility issues with OTA updates from the manufactures and cellular service providers either because they dont want people messing with their brands and wish to be a pain in the butt for whatever the reason, financial or whatnot. I am seeing it ALL over XDA for Sprint Users mostly since thats where i am confining my search patterns. I am actually going through ADB to manually archive root because im tired of searching through countless postings to find nothing on the subject and do not enjoy the dumb comments people think they have to leave on my post and others posters. Im sure im going to get a stupid comment or a flame of some type because even when im just "venting" at my frustrations as im sure everyone does from time to time no one enjoys being messed with when they are already pissed off and frustrated that just makes matters worse for the OP and the community. Eventually the problem works itself out, but c'mon people, seriously not everyone gets to have the opportunity to get the root achieved right because of the stupid OTAs released time and time again that make the latest root option obsolete because thats what it IS RIGHT NOW OBSOLETE. It is being a pain in my ass because KNOX was tripped with a custom rom and even though the custom ROM sticked the ROOT DID NOT. they (cell manufactures or providers) prevent rooting in the first place by ADDING additional roadblocks in OTAs just to slow down/prevent users or people that enjoy the ability of having the option to use root to their technical advantages (because they lose money, which really is more profit on top of original costs inflated to a ridiculous amounts not fair to consumers). Even with development, future development, paying employees, etc. its not even close to being fairly priced market for consumers and already the rate are increasing at a rate to costly and unfair to consumers with little to no option of maxing the potential life of a product. I dont know about everyone but not all can afford to keep updated with the latest gear. We have great developers that probably get no where NEAR the amount of donations that they SHOULD be receiving to keep up when they are devoting their own personal time and currency to making apps and ROMs but the fact remains that it is easier for a huge company to crank out software because they PAY people to do it knowing that freeware developers are not going to have the time or resources to keep up. If anyone knows of an updated method or a manual method to root or another option the help is very much appreciated by myself others and the OP. Thank you to the people that have taken the time to help everyone else in a positive manor.
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(Sorry but this is NOT directed at you i am simply quoting to prove a point)
This is something I have had an issue with as well. Despite how easy it might be for most not everyone catches on as quickly because of common misconceptions or how they might perceive the information because everyones mind works differently. I have used the CF root method and it is NOT the best method to use considering even after I used it i still had NO root. Top that off and add the fact that i even downgraded the version I had several times and i have searched countless times how to do a manual root and just havent had the time to complete a full root. Not everyone has the option to tinker all day (not saying that you do) to understand or figure it out IE real life - kids work school etc. what ever the case is. I have flashed a bootloader several times after establishing root to do nandroid backups/iso imgs and actually completed several come to find out that for some reason my Root did not stick at all when i had thought it did and i followed everything many times step by step to no avail achieve a permanent root. There is a problem with the process and I am sorry but everyone else that has gotten root is just fortunate the latest update has really put a damper on doing root the way it is described and is NOT current to fit everyones needs ATM. I am sure there are MANY others like the OP myself and others that are having the SAME EXACT ISSUE. I am not new to ADB and have been rooting my phones since the HTC came out with the original Supersonic Evo 4G using the ADB method and some people without providing any options just have to think that because some of us are having problems that we (or I) are not "intelligent" enough to figure it out and i have worked with computers since windows for workgroups 3.11 and construct my own Gaming RIGs, Servers, Laptops (and phones recently as of the last 2+ years) never having any issues because its just second nature to me at times with PCs and Laptops. Phones on the other hand are much more complicated because of incompatibility issues with OTA updates from the manufactures and cellular service providers either because they dont want people messing with their brands and wish to be a pain in the butt for whatever the reason, financial or whatnot. I am seeing it ALL over XDA for Sprint Users mostly since thats where i am confining my search patterns. I am actually going through ADB to manually archive root because im tired of searching through countless postings to find nothing on the subject and do not enjoy the dumb comments people think they have to leave on my post and others posters. Im sure im going to get a stupid comment or a flame of some type because even when im just "venting" at my frustrations as im sure everyone does from time to time no one enjoys being messed with when they are already pissed off and frustrated that just makes matters worse for the OP and the community. Eventually the problem works itself out, but c'mon people, seriously not everyone gets to have the opportunity to get the root achieved right because of the stupid OTAs released time and time again that make the latest root option obsolete because thats what it IS RIGHT NOW OBSOLETE. It is being a pain in my ass because KNOX was tripped with a custom rom and even though the custom ROM sticked the ROOT DID NOT. they (cell manufactures or providers) prevent rooting in the first place by ADDING additional roadblocks in OTAs just to slow down/prevent users or people that enjoy the ability of having the option to use root to their technical advantages (because they lose money, which really is more profit on top of original costs inflated to a ridiculous amounts not fair to consumers). Even with development, future development, paying employees, etc. its not even close to being fairly priced market for consumers and already the rate are increasing at a rate to costly and unfair to consumers with little to no option of maxing the potential life of a product. I dont know about everyone but not all can afford to keep updated with the latest gear. We have great developers that probably get no where NEAR the amount of donations that they SHOULD be receiving to keep up when they are devoting their own personal time and currency to making apps and ROMs but the fact remains that it is easier for a huge company to crank out software because they PAY people to do it knowing that freeware developers are not going to have the time or resources to keep up. If anyone knows of an updated method or a manual method to root or another option the help is very much appreciated by myself others and the OP. Thank you to the people that have taken the time to help everyone else in a positive manor.
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Wow, sounds like you are having a bad day. Not trying to piss you off or anything. But cf autoroot works, and works very well. And all knox does is trigger a warranty flag that can not be reset and limits you going backwards on firmware. It doesn't do anything to prevent rooting. I think the best method for you would be to reset and start with a clean phone. By reset, I mean downloading and installing the full MJA tar file and doing a factory reset. This way you have a clean phone with nothing that might be blocking your rooting process. Next, grab cf autoroot and make sure you are using a newer version of odin. I use odin3 ver. 3.07. Run cf autoroot and let it boot all the way up. Now go into your app drawer and see if supersu is installed. If it isn't install it from the play store. Open cf autoroot and install the binaries, use the normal button. Now, if it errors on the binary install don't panic. Redo the cf autoroot and repeat the install of supersu again if it is not in the app drawer. If it is in the app drawer open it and install the binaries if it asks. It's basically a rinse and repeat operation. On MJA it sometimes takes a few attempts for it to stick. After you successfully have root, then use goo manager to install twrp or install the latest philz recovery. It takes a little patience but cf autoroot does work, and it is the best method available. Remember, starting with a clean slate is best. And if you want to be the most up to date, take the MK2 OTA before you start the root process. CF autoroot works on MK2 also.
Thanks for the useful help
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Wow, sounds like you are having a bad day. Not trying to piss you off or anything. But cf autoroot works, and works very well. And all knox does is trigger a warranty flag that can not be reset and limits you going backwards on firmware. It doesn't do anything to prevent rooting. I think the best method for you would be to reset and start with a clean phone. By reset, I mean downloading and installing the full MJA tar file and doing a factory reset. This way you have a clean phone with nothing that might be blocking your rooting process. Next, grab cf autoroot and make sure you are using a newer version of odin. I use odin3 ver. 3.07. Run cf autoroot and let it boot all the way up. Now go into your app drawer and see if supersu is installed. If it isn't install it from the play store. Open cf autoroot and install the binaries, use the normal button. Now, if it errors on the binary install don't panic. Redo the cf autoroot and repeat the install of supersu again if it is not in the app drawer. If it is in the app drawer open it and install the binaries if it asks. It's basically a rinse and repeat operation. On MJA it sometimes takes a few attempts for it to stick. After you successfully have root, then use goo manager to install twrp or install the latest philz recovery. It takes a little patience but cf autoroot does work, and it is the best method available. Remember, starting with a clean slate is best. And if you want to be the most up to date, take the MK2 OTA before you start the root process. CF autoroot works on MK2 also.
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No Sir, not pissed off and maybe what i wrote was misconstrued since I left out some pertinent information listed here now... very pleased with your answer. Probably some of the most productive and useful information thus far and the best I have received/come across yet. I was currently trying to update the post when I saw your comment to me. I had failed to mention some important facts to include what I have had successfully completed listed down here:
KNOX tripped of course 0x30 Custom ROM via Odin Flashed/Stuck; MDC/MDL downgraded from a MF9 Baseband Modem Flashed via Odin/Stuck; Custom Recovery CWM 6.0.6.6 touch Flashed via Oden/Stuck PASSED; Root I HAVE TRYED MANY DIFFERENT WAYS POSTED VIA POSTS ON THE SPRINT COMMUNITY and FAILED TO KEEP ROOT. HOWEVER, it was succesful according to ODIN 1.85 & 3.07 many times over and over with CF-Auto-Root it stated as it PASSED via Odin... DID NOT STICK OR STAY when the reboot restarted the phone and loaded the Custom ROM every time I look up with root checker as stated still NO ROOT!
There isn't much I can possibly be missing but I am hoping there is some kind of solution via information you have provided by MK2 OTA root
I certainly am going to try posting all of this information for others to see in an easier to read/find post to benefit the community sometime before the new year. I was able to gain more by reading the posts to Unlock SIM which helped a lot since it was a refresher on ADB commands/steps for me.
Thanks again. i will update as soon as I figure it out or do not figure it out.
I LOVE YOU!!!! I feel the same way. Like im smart ok i am not near as knowledgeable as u r but i have messed with phones since iphone 3g came out and since the first ibm desktop cost 4000.00 lmao my dad and i are alike in that we cant just leave **** alone lol i dont understand a damn bit of what these posts say. Sometimes u have someone who has no knowledge of how these damn phones work mentally but u give me one i can tear it appart and fix anything on it even waterdamage thats my favorite. But no one tells you what these files are what they do and why u want it and then in like odin what the abrev mean what file goes there and why like if a rom is basicay windows but custom what slot does it go in then what are the rest for? Do u need to fill all or just one u need, why? Would it mess it up, why will one mess it up n the other not? What is this mk9 bs and how do i know what mine is? Ya know and im a single mom with 2 kids and my phone is important and the damn thing is stuck cause its update jacked up and now its in a boot loop and i cant get it out. It wont recongnize it in kies it wont take the md5 update through odin it wont even let me get to the menu that lets me clear cache or factory reset it. Ive done all sorts n got no where.
Okay so I just have a few questions about rooting my phone before I do it, since I saw the root here that works for the most recent OTA update.
1) If someone happens with my phone (either bricking it from rooting or something inconsequential) will they not replace my phone due to it being rooted?
2) If they won't replace it due to being rooted (if it wasn't bricking), is there an easy way to unroot the phone?
3) I can't tell from the instructions, but I'm pretty sure some others have said that it might require you to restore factory settings, does this one require that?
4) The thread says that it is now impossible to unlock the bootloader, does this also mean that you can't use a custom ROM? How exactly do you add a ROM?
Sorry for all the questions, I've never rooted an android device before, and I don't have the time or energy to go running around Google/forums trying to find these answers.
Thanks in advance!
EDIT: yes I know i've already asked 2 of these questions, but I'm a stupid poop who needs validation.
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Okay so I just have a few questions about rooting my phone before I do it, since I saw the root here that works for the most recent OTA update.
1) If someone happens with my phone (either bricking it from rooting or something inconsequential) will they not replace my phone due to it being rooted?
2) If they won't replace it due to being rooted (if it wasn't bricking), is there an easy way to unroot the phone?
3) I can't tell from the instructions, but I'm pretty sure some others have said that it might require you to restore factory settings, does this one require that?
4) The thread says that it is now impossible to unlock the bootloader, does this also mean that you can't use a custom ROM? How exactly do you add a ROM?
Sorry for all the questions, I've never rooted an android device before, and I don't have the time or energy to go running around Google/forums trying to find these answers.
Thanks in advance!
EDIT: yes I know i've already asked 2 of these questions, but I'm a stupid poop who needs validation.
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first, rooting your voids the warranty, so technically, they (either VZW or Motorola) are not obligated to replace it. that being said, you can always play dumb and say that you accepted some OTA install, and now the phone won't boot up. usually, VZW will try to restore the phone, and if not, they'll replace it - no worries.
2.) I believe there is an unroot method, but I have not explored this. try doing a search on this forum for "unroot razr m"
3.) restore factory settings could unroot - check the threads
4.) you can still install a custom ROM, but you'll need to install Safestrap first. however, the custom ROMs available for SS are out-dated, and I don't think that any devs will be providing any going forward. however, I would not be too discouraged by this, as the phone is very solid stock. so rooting is the key to remove the bloatware to help increase battery life, increase performance, and reduce excess data usage.
hope this helps.
Hi, first, I am pretty new to rooting, yet I have done similar things on other devices. Second, here is the info on my android phone:
Samsung galaxy S5 model SM-G900V
Android Version 6.0.1
EMMC: 11xx...
it is a verizon phone so I'm pretty sure the bootloader is locked, and the latest towelroot throws the "this phone isn't currently supported" error on any of the modstrings I use, as well.
I am looking for some more direction on how to root this phone, and would like some help.
TimX24968B said:
Hi, first, I am pretty new to rooting, yet I have done similar things on other devices. Second, here is the info on my android phone:
Samsung galaxy S5 model SM-G900V
Android Version 6.0.1
EMMC: 11xx...
it is a verizon phone so I'm pretty sure the bootloader is locked, and the latest towelroot throws the "this phone isn't currently supported" error on any of the modstrings I use, as well.
I am looking for some more direction on how to root this phone, and would like some help.
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You can't. Root is not available for 6.0.1. At this late in the game, it's unlikely to ever be rootable.
painiac said:
You can't. Root is not available for 6.0.1. At this late in the game, it's unlikely to ever be rootable.
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hmm, wondering if any other new verizon android phones will be rootable since I am available for an upgrade
painiac said:
You can't. Root is not available for 6.0.1. At this late in the game, it's unlikely to ever be rootable.
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I got mine into a 4.4.2 rom and it was successfully rooted w busybox, but I can't install the SU binary or activate safestrap since it seems like I need one to get the other. is there a way around that?
painiac said:
You can't. Root is not available for 6.0.1. At this late in the game, it's unlikely to ever be rootable.
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Also, I have seen sites claim things like you can root it, such as the one below:
androidinfotech.com/2016/07/root-samsung-galaxy-s5-sm-g900v-verizon.html
(had to edit out the www. part of the link)
however, they all require doing stuff with odin, and I am still concerned about files being lost.
Trying to get more info on this, I would appreciate any and all help.
TimX24968B said:
Also, I have seen sites claim things like you can root it, such as the one below:
androidinfotech.com/2016/07/root-samsung-galaxy-s5-sm-g900v-verizon.html
(had to edit out the www. part of the link)
however, they all require doing stuff with odin, and I am still concerned about files being lost.
Trying to get more info on this, I would appreciate any and all help.
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I find it highly suspicious that this method hasn't been trumpeted here on xda. The broken english doesn't ease my suspicion, either. Personally, I would want to have a disposable phone on hand to try it out, since it hasn't been vetted here first.
Before you do anything, read through the guide linked in my sig to get yourself familiar with the process. If you decide to tackle it, let us know how it turns out.
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I find it highly suspicious that this method hasn't been trumpeted here on xda. The broken english doesn't ease my suspicion, either. Personally, I would want to have a disposable phone on hand to try it out, since it hasn't been vetted here first.
Before you do anything, read through the guide linked in my sig to get yourself familiar with the process. If you decide to tackle it, let us know how it turns out.
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yea I know it seemed suspicious, so I didn't want to try it. However, would you happen to know of any newer androids that can be rooted, particularly verizon ones? I saw the guide but I don't think I can downgrade since I'm on verizon and 6.0.1, and I'm still afraid of losing my data if I do. Thanks for the help.
You can root that phone, there is a guide in the general section: [GUIDE] Root, Bootloader Unlocks, and More!
Look at the cid 11 section. It will erase all of your data though and downgrade you to lolipop. I used that guide on a marshmellow cid 11 Verizon S5 recently and it worked just fine.
Sadly, the bootloader of cid 11 Verizon S5s are still locked. I dont think there is a way yet to root Verizon S5s with cid 11 without losing your data.
Thanks for letting me know! How would I go about backing up my data for this kind of task, in that case? I am pretty sure I do not use verizons cloud services, but i do use their app for messaging.
As long as I can get root access so i can free up some space on my phone and possibly do other stuff in the future as well, it would be great if theres a way to back everything up aside from just copying the whole sd card, particularly things like contacts and text messages in that verizon app. Im fine being on lolipop, and if i can back up my data, i do have my escape method of just ditching this phone and using my upgrade.
Second question: what would be a newer verizon phone that would be rootable on the latest android?
I didn't need the data when I rooted the S5 I had, so I didnt back anything up.
There should be various apps on google play you can use to backup your text messages and contacts. You can manually backup any pictures and other media to a pc or something. I dont think there is much you can do to save your app data without root already. You can probably look up the save loactions of some of your apps and manually backup those.
I dont keep up with phone releases, so I cant reccomend anything.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
Ammalin said:
You can root that phone, there is a guide in the general section: [GUIDE] Root, Bootloader Unlocks, and More!
Look at the cid 11 section. It will erase all of your data though and downgrade you to lolipop. I used that guide on a marshmellow cid 11 Verizon S5 recently and it worked just fine.
Sadly, the bootloader of cid 11 Verizon S5s are still locked. I dont think there is a way yet to root Verizon S5s with cid 11 without losing your data.
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The problem here is the understanding of the word ROOT, those instructions allow you to do stuff to you cid11 s5's yes, however, if you install the LL stuff then yes you can achive root, or even flash an LL rom that already has root, if you install the MM stuff YOU CANNOT and WILL NOT achieve ROOT. There is NO root exploit or method for 6.0.1 What you will be able to do after puting the MM stuff in there is be able to flash a small file and access safestrap to flash whatever zips or things (within context) that you might need, but this will be needed everytime you want to access safestrap. You will also need to flash another file once in safestrap to correctly exit. It Will NOT EVER give you root in MM. But with this you can flash a debloat script and even an add block to make your phone more usable to you. (All of which is explained in detail in the MM section of that thread).
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The problem here is the understanding of the word ROOT, those instructions allow you to do stuff to you cid11 s5's yes, however, if you install the LL stuff then yes you can achive root, or even flash an LL rom that already has root, if you install the MM stuff YOU CANNOT and WILL NOT achieve ROOT. There is NO root exploit or method for 6.0.1 What you will be able to do after puting the MM stuff in there is be able to flash a small file and access safestrap to flash whatever zips or things (within context) that you might need, but this will be needed everytime you want to access safestrap. You will also need to flash another file once in safestrap to correctly exit. It Will NOT EVER give you root in MM. But with this you can flash a debloat script and even an add block to make your phone more usable to you. (All of which is explained in detail in the MM section of that thread).
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I never said he could have root on marshmellow. Sorry if that was confusing as I never said it exactly. The linked guide says no root on marshmellow in bold near the top. Just wanted to let the OP know he could get root on the phone in some way at least.
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I'm perfectly fine with downgrading. It was just the issue with backing up data which was holding me back there. However, I am still looking into doing this and appreciate the help. I think all I would need now is to know if anyone knows if there is any relatively new verizon phone that could be rooted out of box. Thanks.
If you know little about rooting, I will advice you to read more information about sm-g900v marshmallow root, like rooting with one click rooting software, just try their free trail and see if you can accept. Android Root from RenewAndroid has help me to solve this similar issue before, my device is Samsung S6.
tong6998 said:
The problem here is the understanding of the word ROOT, those instructions allow you to do stuff to you cid11 s5's yes, however, if you install the LL stuff then yes you can achive root, or even flash an LL rom that already has root, if you install the MM stuff YOU CANNOT and WILL NOT achieve ROOT. There is NO root exploit or method for 6.0.1 What you will be able to do after puting the MM stuff in there is be able to flash a small file and access safestrap to flash whatever zips or things (within context) that you might need, but this will be needed everytime you want to access safestrap. You will also need to flash another file once in safestrap to correctly exit. It Will NOT EVER give you root in MM. But with this you can flash a debloat script and even an add block to make your phone more usable to you. (All of which is explained in detail in the MM section of that thread).
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If you compile the Greyhat Root Console for the S5 Device and use a 6.0.1 ROM still exploitable by dirtycow, there is a chance you may be able to adjust the sepolicy on your device enough, or setup supersu manually. I have yet to try this on my MM G900V. But the code is there. It is just down to the device specific commands to run.
People say dirtycow is a tethered/temporal root that only lasts until you reboot the device, but that isn't always the case if you run the right commands in the right order, or have an APP that sets up the temporal root after boot has completed automatically.
Delgoth said:
If you compile the Greyhat Root Console for the S5 Device and use a 6.0.1 ROM still exploitable by dirtycow, there is a chance you may be able to adjust the sepolicy on your device enough, or setup supersu manually. I have yet to try this on my MM G900V. But the code is there. It is just down to the device specific commands to run.
People say dirtycow is a tethered/temporal root that only lasts until you reboot the device, but that isn't always the case if you run the right commands in the right order, or have an APP that sets up the temporal root after boot has completed automatically.
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My biggest gripe is the native emulated disk-space....I have had LL PB1 rooted on 900V S5 (CID 11) for sometime. But even with de-bloat, tons of lockups, freezing, constantly wiping cache, was hoping a move to MM (with root, hadn't checked in a while hoping bootloader was solved...) would be the savior....
Alas, it seems PB1 rooted is still the way to go as I have an additional "APPS" EXT FORMATTED partition mounted for apps that behave on it...and use APPS2SD and soft-links to keep storage balanced...but it's still a pain...
Now I have that same question, what is panacea?
If I have to get a new phone (pay exorbitant retail price or some "bargain" on ebay) which is the best root-able/boot-load-able or allows for miniSD expansion (hate the finite XXGB storage ever dictates) with space that can all be recognized for Apps+....
Replies bc or otherwise welcome
Col. P.
Adopting MM...
c0lp4nik said:
My biggest gripe is the native emulated disk-space....I have had LL PB1 rooted on 900V S5 (CID 11) for sometime. But even with de-bloat, tons of lockups, freezing, constantly wiping cache, was hoping a move to MM (with root, hadn't checked in a while hoping bootloader was solved...) would be the savior....
Alas, it seems PB1 rooted is still the way to go as I have an additional "APPS" EXT FORMATTED partition mounted for apps that behave on it...and use APPS2SD and soft-links to keep storage balanced...but it's still a pain...
Now I have that same question, what is panacea?
If I have to get a new phone (pay exorbitant retail price or some "bargain" on ebay) which is the best root-able/boot-load-able or allows for miniSD expansion (hate the finite XXGB storage ever dictates) with space that can all be recognized for Apps+....
Replies bc or otherwise welcome
Col. P.
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I stand corrected... I now see *Storage Adoption* as part of MM, that could be the ticket for me! Obviously it formats the whole SD as EXT format...which is no big deal for me...at that point, since MM is un-rootable....do I take the leap? Will it really improve the S5?
Thanks for listening!
C0l. P.
painiac said:
You can't. Root is not available for 6.0.1. At this late in the game, it's unlikely to ever be rootable.
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Is it possible to go back to Lollypop version from 6.1
Billy7891 said:
Is it possible to go back to Lollypop version from 6.1
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Yes
how can you that be done .It is my understanding that downgrades would be blocked. Is there another way?