Wow, talk about a terrible experience. The MOJO is absolutely NOT ready for production. I was able to find maybe 10 games that were even compatible with it, and only ONE game that actually used the controller as advertised. NOVA 3 almost worked but even then there were some functions that didn't work (like swapping weapons, sorta important). The list of compatible games is misleading; many of those games will load, but they will not function with the controller (meaning: not at all).
Madcatz claims that the TegraZone games will work with the MOJO - that is a lie. Only a handful of them actually work. A gaming console that only works with a handful of games is pretty useless.
I updated the firmware exactly as instructed, and after rebooting the wifi did not work at all (it did before the update). An Android console without functional wifi is a paperweight.
I am going to return this unit and try to get a Nvidia Shield instead. I got the MOJO for my kid for Christmass. Talk about a disappointment. Luckily he also got a PS4, so it wasn't a total disaster.
The MOJO is an interesting concept, and if they ever get it working right it might - *might* - be worth the money. But as of now, no, not even close. Stay FAR away from this thing for now. You've been warned.
I'm starting to agree....Out of the 372 apps I've purchased, only five were compatible and able to download. I've sideloaded a couple, but cannot map the controller properly.
I'll give it a few more days and some tinkering.
I wished to read this before I buy it back to ouya without developer MOJO = 0 with all respect
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I'm starting to agree....Out of the 372 apps I've purchased, only five were compatible and able to download. I've sideloaded a couple, but cannot map the controller properly.
I'll give it a few more days and some tinkering.
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Interested in selling it?
Not just yet..I've been sideloading apps all day. Watching some streaming movies on it right now. It's a very capable machine, but fairly annoying having to sideload anything useful.
Well so far little disappointed but I like it just waiting until root which hopefully we can mod the build prop to show apps in store. Don't side load much using a aptoide. . From what I understand the tegra 4 still pretty new so I'm guessing that's why some of these games not playing. Patience it will get better
Yeah...Updated the firmware and now the Wifi is dead. Unable to "Turn On." WTF....
Yea the way I've mostly gotten over the No apps work issue is by sideloading. Its annoying though because if there's feature updates you have to backup from my other devices, transfer and install again to get the updates. The power is nice though. Nova 3 and Dead trigger look good even though their not a very good games its still a good showing of what the Mojo can do. And if you're into emulators most of them out there work great with the controller and have no trouble doing kool stuff. Unfortunately at the moment the mojo is mostly making me excited for a Minix device with equivalent specs as Minix devices don't have the same app store issue.
What are you using for your backups? I tried AppMonster, but haven't had a chance to sideload the backups to the MOJO yet.
Titanium Backup on a rooted device. It just backs apks to a zip file. If there's extra data I just move the obb files over manually via an sd card.
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Yeah...Updated the firmware and now the Wifi is dead. Unable to "Turn On." WTF....
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This. When this happened, that's when I decided to return it. It's a paperweight without wifi.
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This. When this happened, that's when I decided to return it. It's a paperweight without wifi.
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Yea that really sux. That's the kind of stuff that you never want to see happen.
To be honest this feels more like a developer/beta release. The hardware is there and is for the most part great, could use an off/off button and an otg port. But the way it interacts with the ecosystem that currently exists is much too, I hate to say it, fragmented. There are more apps coming to the play store and I've seen a few pop in the last couple of days but its still hasn't hit anywhere near that critical mass point where its useable for anyone without some android nerdery. Which begs the question why didn't Mad Catz support that nerdery with things like an otg port, pre root/root tools at launch etc. Though the pre-bootloader unlock is a good start.
Its also clear google really has no interest in this kind of product YET by the way that the play store is currently laid out and hides paid apps from the main frontend, you have to search for paid apps specifically or by type. Its really going to be a rough year of slow apps incoming and building up momentum about this time next year I think it might start to be a valid for some main stream gamers. I'm worried that Mad Catz might feel that's too long to support and update this new market product. Luckily the markets going to grow either way but I'd like to see this product along for the ride.
All that being said I use this product every day, really like it, and whenever I'm home its on and being used in some way. Be that gaming, local movies, streaming video, or music but I took a path to set it up that very very few will and most I fear will have the same experience with '**** don't work then I updated It and less **** works. Return'. And that really sux.
So, I purchased from Amazon on 26th Dec. (Note, I'm REALLY trying to like this device because I really like the hardware). As an update to the OP info, mine came with firmware 0110 and NOVA 3's weapon change works fine, but the buttons are mapped really stupid - the trigger is not the fire button, the shoulder button is. Trigger changes weapons.
NFS MW installed from backed-up APK, and it detects controller and says you can set it up in the config menu, but you cannot get to the config menu with either controller, keyboard, or mouse, so it is unplayable.
I got a Real Racing 3 APK from a bad place and it does not seem to support controllers at all, and also does not seem to recognize the Tegra, so it is terrible looking and unplayable.
Shadowgun works great and you can assign all functions to buttons on the controller. This was also a backed-up APK. You cannot install the THD version; even if you could get the APK on there it won't let you dl the THD data.
Overall, my experience has been terrible. Yay! I'm so excited!
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So, I purchased from Amazon on 26th Dec. (Note, I'm REALLY trying to like this device because I really like the hardware). As an update to the OP info, mine came with firmware 0110 and NOVA 3's weapon change works fine, but the buttons are mapped really stupid - the trigger is not the fire button, the shoulder button is. Trigger changes weapons.
NFS MW installed from backed-up APK, and it detects controller and says you can set it up in the config menu, but you cannot get to the config menu with either controller, keyboard, or mouse, so it is unplayable.
I got a Real Racing 3 APK from a bad place and it does not seem to support controllers at all, and also does not seem to recognize the Tegra, so it is terrible looking and unplayable.
Shadowgun works great and you can assign all functions to buttons on the controller. This was also a backed-up APK. You cannot install the THD version; even if you could get the APK on there it won't let you dl the THD data.
Overall, my experience has been terrible. Yay! I'm so excited!
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I find the controller works better if I switch it do mouse mode or PC mode, depending on the game.
It's the game developers who must designate that a controller can be used for their game. If they don't, then no dice. Can't blame them tho, how could they have seen devices like these coming. I'm willing to bet almost EVERY new game becomes controller compatible. Hang in.. Still brand new device. Developers will adapt. And besides, unlike a ps2, it won't become outdated as fast. Games will just continue to improve!
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I find the controller works better if I switch it do mouse mode or PC mode, depending on the game.
It's the game developers who must designate that a controller can be used for their game. If they don't, then no dice. Can't blame them tho, how could they have seen devices like these coming. I'm willing to bet almost EVERY new game becomes controller compatible. Hang in.. Still brand new device. Developers will adapt. And besides, unlike a ps2, it won't become outdated as fast. Games will just continue to improve!
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Aww, we can blame the developers a little bit. I mean, come on, ANDROID developers? They often hang out on this very site where people have been hacking their butts off for years adding controller support to games. It might be a big deal to add controller support to a finished game if it wasn't developed with that in mind but I'm with you, it will be expected in the future.
In the mean time I would really like it if we could install one of those apps that lets you map buttons to touchscreen presses. That would help a lot!
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Aww, we can blame the developers a little bit. I mean, come on, ANDROID developers? They often hang out on this very site where people have been hacking their butts off for years adding controller support to games. It might be a big deal to add controller support to a finished game if it wasn't developed with that in mind but I'm with you, it will be expected in the future.
In the mean time I would really like it if we could install one of those apps that lets you map buttons to touchscreen presses. That would help a lot!
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Yes, but developers have been working on gamepad support. The MOGA supposedly has 230 games which work with their controllers, which happens to be a great feat because often developers are not likely to upgrade their older stuff (gameloft is notorious for this where their old games are "not compatible" with newer devices, even if the resolution is the same and the hardware more powerful.
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Yes, but developers have been working on gamepad support. The MOGA supposedly has 230 games which work with their controllers, which happens to be a great feat because often developers are not likely to upgrade their older stuff (gameloft is notorious for this where their old games are "not compatible" with newer devices, even if the resolution is the same and the hardware more powerful.
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I think I got distracted writing the post you replied to. When I was talking about "controller support" I really meant to say something like button mapping. You know? Essentially, you let android handle the input device, and just have a method to map input signals to your calls. Like, how the emulators let you map each button press of a controller to an action in the emulator. By abstracting away the interface to the actual controller, ANY android supported device could be mapped. You would never have to worry about someone building a new controller that you have to write non-reusable code for. This MOGA nonsense just seems dirty, but then again, I'm not an Android dev, so there may be something more to it than I realize. I just can't put together in my head how I'd even write something that didn't abstract the input -- what if I wanted to change it later? I don't know....I hate the idea of "Support the MOGA!" "Support the CNTRLR!" No -- support everything! It SHOULD be easier!
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I think I got distracted writing the post you replied to. When I was talking about "controller support" I really meant to say something like button mapping. You know? Essentially, you let android handle the input device, and just have a method to map input signals to your calls. Like, how the emulators let you map each button press of a controller to an action in the emulator. By abstracting away the interface to the actual controller, ANY android supported device could be mapped. You would never have to worry about someone building a new controller that you have to write non-reusable code for. This MOGA nonsense just seems dirty, but then again, I'm not an Android dev, so there may be something more to it than I realize. I just can't put together in my head how I'd even write something that didn't abstract the input -- what if I wanted to change it later? I don't know....I hate the idea of "Support the MOGA!" "Support the CNTRLR!" No -- support everything! It SHOULD be easier!
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You mentioned the mapping but as an app. And I wasn't talking about MOGA versus CNTRL either. I was thinking more along the lines like with Windows PCs they have generic controller recognition (sure, you can install apps and drivers for better compatibility) where you normally get at least basic functionality. But yeah, one could avoid those problems if they had the same functionality of emulators where they map functionality based on the readings when buttons are pressed. It would make things quite a bit easier in general for them (a little but more work for us but only when playing a game for the first time).
The next app I'm gonna rip from my tablet is the Sixaxis app that allows you to map the buttons for the PS3 controller. I use it on my tablet for any possible game. You can assign buttons swipe actions, too. Very handy. There are a few other apps out there that do this with generic BT controllers, so we might just have to start trying them out. MadCatz surely should have created one for the MOJO before it was ever released. This was a big stupid on their part.
Hello All,
This is Nathan from Mad Catz. Our apologies for the inconveniences you've been facing. I unfortunately could not replicate your wifi problem. One note is that most MOJOs that have been made available should have already been on "MO0110-WW", so this step could be skipped if you don't need it.
Before any update, you can also go into your google account settings, choose your account, and then choose "Sync now" from the menu in the top right. If wifi is not working, you can use a wired ethernet connection to at least do this step. If you're forced to do the "factory reset" option to fix the wifi, when you do the initial setup again, choose to "restore" from your google account. Outside of apps that have been sideloaded, this should start downloads of everything that was downloaded from the google play store shortly after the initial setup is finished. You can check which ones are being re-downloaded by going into the Play Store and then checking your "My apps".
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Problems I've got with the Acer A500:
GPS is very weak. I get the best reception with the back of the unit facing the sky but in normal orientation I'm lucky to get 5 sats.
Compass doesn't work, always 90deg off
Digitizer unresponsive 3 times, had to power off each time. Strangely enough, the last time this happened the buttons at the bottom (home, menu, etc) still worked but nothing responded when tapped on the main screen area.
Have to be careful about plugging and unplugging items while the device screen is off. The headset icon is still showing in the tray after having disconnected a cable last night when the screen was off. Have seen problems where external USB devices aren't scanned if the screen is off.
System shut down 1 time after showing a low power notice. I was at 80%. Haven't had this happen again.
Market, Maps, Firefox crash a lot. The latter is probably Mozilla's fault but the core apps shouldn't be this crash-happy.
Bluetooth sharing only shows visible devices and not paired devices. What's the F-ing point of pairing if I have to make a device visible before I can send a file to it?
No media scanner notification. It takes a while to scan external USB media and there's no indication the scanning is going on. The only indication that it's done is when media starts appearing in apps like gallery. On older revs of the OS there is a notice that scanning is ongoing.
Copy/paste annoying. Especially that you can't paste if there's no text in your editor!!! In 2.2 you tap once to bring up the picker/caret (don't know what the google term is) and you tap that to get a popup menu for copy/paste/delete. On the Acer you have to double-tap to select text and only then do you get a menu on the top of the screen. Trouble is, if you have no text in your document you can't paste because there's no text to select!
Can't turn the d**n sound off on the camera.
Have to drill down into the settings turn the "ringer" off to mute the system. Why isn't there a dropdown icon for that?
Some of these are certainly Acer's fault and are related to hardware specific to this device. The UI elements I'm left wondering about. This is the only Gingerbread device I've really used and I can't tell how much is default behavior and how much Acer messed with the OS and borked it.
It's possible I've become spoiled by the devs on XDA. I'm coming from a Vibrant and the dev action is furious with that device. I've regularly upgraded my device with new ROMs on the order of every 2-3 weeks since October and I'm currently using 2.2.1 on my phone.
Given that the bootloader is locked (and encrypted?) I'm thinking dev action isn't going to happen real soon and I'm further thinking about returning this. I hate the idea of doing that because in a lot of ways this is a really nice tablet. It's got the form factor and weight I want. It's responsive. wifi is good enough for my purposes and I can carry it throughout home and work with no connection problems. I've found ways to make it part of my device chain (doc markup, blogging, reading, music playing) and the price was was low enough for me to give it a try. For the most part I like the device.
Trouble is, the bugs are like having someone standing next to you randomly poking you in the ribs. It's not enough to call the police but if he doesn't stop I'm going to punch him in the nose. With the Acer the bugs aren't bad enough for me to throw it out the window but they're getting bad enough that this thing may get returned.
For those in the know, how much of what I've complained about is normal Gingerbread and how much has Acer likely borked?
For reference my kernel is 2.6.36.3-00001-g9b3ce2b and build is Acer_A500_1.104.02_COM_GEN1
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Problems I've got with the Acer A500:
GPS is very weak. I get the best reception with the back of the unit facing the sky but in normal orientation I'm lucky to get 5 sats.
Compass doesn't work, always 90deg off
Digitizer unresponsive 3 times, had to power off each time. Strangely enough, the last time this happened the buttons at the bottom (home, menu, etc) still worked but nothing responded when tapped on the main screen area.
Have to be careful about plugging and unplugging items while the device screen is off. The headset icon is still showing in the tray after having disconnected a cable last night when the screen was off. Have seen problems where external USB devices aren't scanned if the screen is off.
System shut down 1 time after showing a low power notice. I was at 80%. Haven't had this happen again.
Market, Maps, Firefox crash a lot. The latter is probably Mozilla's fault but the core apps shouldn't be this crash-happy.
Bluetooth sharing only shows visible devices and not paired devices. What's the F-ing point of pairing if I have to make a device visible before I can send a file to it?
No media scanner notification. It takes a while to scan external USB media and there's no indication the scanning is going on. The only indication that it's done is when media starts appearing in apps like gallery. On older revs of the OS there is a notice that scanning is ongoing.
Copy/paste annoying. Especially that you can't paste if there's no text in your editor!!! In 2.2 you tap once to bring up the picker/caret (don't know what the google term is) and you tap that to get a popup menu for copy/paste/delete. On the Acer you have to double-tap to select text and only then do you get a menu on the top of the screen. Trouble is, if you have no text in your document you can't paste because there's no text to select!
Can't turn the d**n sound off on the camera.
Have to drill down into the settings turn the "ringer" off to mute the system. Why isn't there a dropdown icon for that?
Some of these are certainly Acer's fault and are related to hardware specific to this device. The UI elements I'm left wondering about. This is the only Gingerbread device I've really used and I can't tell how much is default behavior and how much Acer messed with the OS and borked it.
It's possible I've become spoiled by the devs on XDA. I'm coming from a Vibrant and the dev action is furious with that device. I've regularly upgraded my device with new ROMs on the order of every 2-3 weeks since October and I'm currently using 2.2.1 on my phone.
Given that the bootloader is locked (and encrypted?) I'm thinking dev action isn't going to happen real soon and I'm further thinking about returning this. I hate the idea of doing that because in a lot of ways this is a really nice tablet. It's got the form factor and weight I want. It's responsive. wifi is good enough for my purposes and I can carry it throughout home and work with no connection problems. I've found ways to make it part of my device chain (doc markup, blogging, reading, music playing) and the price was was low enough for me to give it a try. For the most part I like the device.
Trouble is, the bugs are like having someone standing next to you randomly poking you in the ribs. It's not enough to call the police but if he doesn't stop I'm going to punch him in the nose. With the Acer the bugs aren't bad enough for me to throw it out the window but they're getting bad enough that this thing may get returned.
For those in the know, how much of what I've complained about is normal Gingerbread and how much has Acer likely borked?
For reference my kernel is 2.6.36.3-00001-g9b3ce2b and build is Acer_A500_1.104.02_COM_GEN1
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I'm not sure if you know this or not, but tablets and Honeycomb are pretty new.
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I'm not sure if you know this or not, but tablets and Honeycomb are pretty new.
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Yeah, I'm aware. How does that apply to my questions & issues with the A500?
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Yeah, I'm aware. How does that apply to my questions & issues with the A500?
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Well, I think your thread is misleading. Tablets are new and there are going to be flaws in new products. That's why you don't buy the first new model of a car. But if you're going to, then understand there is always risk.
1. I have had no problems with the GPS.
2. I have had problems with the compass, but nothing unusual for a digital compass.
3. Unresponsiveness happens with pretty much every device. Mine has been unresponsive like 5 times already, but a power down and then up again fixes it beautifully. It's like a nice reminder to clear the system and make it run faster. This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Acer. It could be Honeycomb.
4. Apps crashing. Happens. I'd think that it's Honeycomb, rather than Acer.
5. I've seen the headset icon on when I didn't have any headphones in. Oh no! Stop the presses! This occurs, sure, but that could be Honeycomb, not Acer. Also, are we sure it's not the music icon?
6. Bluetooth profiles are limited. Sure. But maybe that's a reminder to us all that Bluetooth is awful technology. This one is probably Acer.
7. Copy and paste, although annoying, isn't Acer.
8. Right now, it's not proper to open the bootloader for everyone. Don't hold that against any company.
Most of the things you mentioned really might have to do with Honeycomb rather than Acer. So don't trash the wrong company.
Now given that it's Honeycomb instead, it's new. It will have bugs and problems. Sit and wait or learn the trade and get in there and fix it.
Or wait until a future generation product.
Problems I've got with the Acer A500:
Digitizer unresponsive 3 times, had to power off each time. Strangely enough, the last time this happened the buttons at the bottom (home, menu, etc) still worked but nothing responded when tapped on the main screen area.
NEVER OCCUR for me
Have to be careful about plugging and unplugging items while the device screen is off. The headset icon is still showing in the tray after having disconnected a cable last night when the screen was off. Have seen problems where external USB devices aren't scanned if the screen is off.
NEVER OCCUR for me
System shut down 1 time after showing a low power notice. I was at 80%. Haven't had this happen again.
NEVER OCCUR for me
Market, Maps, Firefox crash a lot. The latter is probably Mozilla's fault but the core apps shouldn't be this crash-happy.
Just restore to factory default or clear the data in "manage application" can solve the problem
Can't turn the d**n sound off on the camera.
Root the device and remove the sound using root explorer
Have to drill down into the settings turn the "ringer" off to mute the system. Why isn't there a dropdown icon for that?
when you press vol +/-, there is a small icon on the right and you can adjust 3 volume settings
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Ya, I'm pretty much in the rorytmeadows and ardatdat camp. Considering Acer did very little to their OEM copy, I'd place the blame for a lot of the issues on HC.
The compass is definitely finicky. I've only ever got a solid read when my GPS was tracking - when it's not, the compass is definitely off (using GPS Essentials here which could also be an app issue). If there is a common degree variance, this can be coded in/out. Also, orientation matter - whether you have it in portrait, facing you, landscape facing up... There's a difference and the gyro checks.
I understand where some of you guys are coming from re. new releases having bugs. I can't accept that viewpoint. I paid for this device and while a few bugs are to be expected these days, some of the problems amount to beta level bugs that should have never left the factory.
If there were going to be regular releases of updates I'd feel differently but it seems clear that releases will likely only come from the devs and only after jumping through the hurdles and hoops that Acer has put in their way.
I think the A500 was worth trying but I'm still not sure it's worth keeping.
A BETA bug is something that is consistent (across all testware) and repeatable. Nothing you listed falls near that.
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A BETA bug is something that is consistent (across all testware) and repeatable. Nothing you listed falls near that.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree. The general level of bugginess shown by the complaints in this forum alone cause me to classify this (and many other android devices) as beta.
With so many people willing to be paying testers, the manufacturers don't have any incentive to behave differently.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Ya, but... Nothing you listed is consistent and repeatable... Where exactly is the disagreement?
The general level of bugginess shown by the complaints in this forum alone cause me to classify this (and many other android devices) as beta.
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I don't see it. Maybe I'm biased *shrug* The majority (not all, of course) complaints or issues with the a500 (be them HW, SW or HC related) on this (and other) forum are sporadic and inconclusive. Not a lot of serious testing happening and a complaint like 'my gps can't see any satellites' doesn't mean a whole lot without more granular info. It doesn't help and it certainly shouldn't be used as part of a rationale. You gotta take those kinds of half-thought out complaints with a grain of salt.
With so many people willing to be paying testers, the manufacturers don't have any incentive to behave differently.
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I read this all the time - with games mostly, but the argument is the same.
How when a new game is released (pick your poison) you're bound to get a very small, thought vocal, minority who dig their nails into the support section complaining about 'players are paying to be testers' - or - 'their computer should be able to play it' etc. The argument being, 'it's suppose to act the way I want it to act' when in fact, that is never the case. With games, with hardware - software. 'It's suppose to act the way they want it to act' - We're just consumers. We consume. They create, we consume.
Now, I'm not trying to discount the importance of your view (I know it reads like I am but I'm not trying too - just trying to further the discussion). You're obviously having issues with the a500 and far be it for me to make lite of them. I think what is key here is that, for the majority of us, there aren't any of these kinds of issues and that, of the ones you listed, few are consistent and repeatable.
So I chalk it up to one of two things - you got a bum tablet or it's user error.
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Ya, but... Nothing you listed is consistent and repeatable... Where exactly is the disagreement?
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Most of the problems are very repeatable on my machine. In the end, that's the only one I care about and the only one that matters to me.
Not a lot of serious testing happening .. You gotta take those kinds of half-thought out complaints with a grain of salt.
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You're mistaking brief descriptions for incomplete testing or "thoughts.". I haven't described my testing methodology nor put down all the tests I've done because I'm not game for writing a paper on the subject.
I've been around quite a while and have been in development for decades and done my time in QA. I know how to test. Which is part of the point. I'm not running into these problems while doing things that qualify as something a user shouldn't do and I'm really not interested in helping Acer or Google iron out the bugs in their system.
Hell, I just did a factory reset and without installing any apps I had the Market crash twice while just browsing my paid apps list.
The argument being, 'it's suppose to act the way I want it to act' when in fact, that is never the case. With games, with hardware - software. 'It's suppose to act the way they want it to act' - We're just consumers. We consume. They create, we consume.
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Yeah, know where you're coming from. My complaint isn't the same.
I want it to behave the way it used to
My UI complains stem from behavior that was present in 2.2x and is very different but harder to use in 3.x. They futzed with the UI for no good reason IMO.
So I chalk it up to one of two things - you got a bum tablet or it's user error.
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Well, it's not user error
I've just factory reset the thing and I'm going to spend a few hours using just the apps I can't live without and leave off the questionable utilities that might be destabilizing the system (widgetlocker, stuff like that) and see where that gets me.
So far it's not good though. 2 market crashes with a stock system.
All very fair and understandable. I've had my share of freezes/lockups and FC. There is no doubt that updates are needed. I'm just not convinced the majority of the issues are Acer related, but rather, Honeycomb related.
Hey Michael do us a favor and return it. I am having none of the issues you have listed with mine with the exception of some FC apps, but I attribute this to the apps not being optimized for HC since the tablet specific apps work perfect.
Sounds like you got a bum tablet, so you have 3 options. 1) keep it and keep complaining and hope you or another dev can fix your problems. 2) exchange it for a new 3) return it and wait a year or so til HC is more stable and out of this "beta" phase.
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Hey Michael do us a favor and return it.
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Do you a favor? In other words, stfu?
BTW michaelh99, I appreciate the fact that you're not flying off half-cocked and taking anything I (or others) have said out of context. It's important for mature and focused discussion to stay calm and proactive - with the goal being, resolution - not argument.
If bugs were completely out of technology before it was released to the public then we wouldn't have technology.
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BTW michaelh99, I appreciate the fact that you're not flying off half-cocked and taking anything I (or others) have said out of context. It's important for mature and focused discussion to stay calm and proactive - with the goal being, resolution - not argument.
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Thanks.
I'm not really expecting people to supply resolutions to the problems I've seen. It looks like most of them are problems with the first release. Some could be due to my personal usage patterns (apps I have installed) but others are clearly out of box bugs.
It may be that I need to bite the bullet and get a larger version of my phone (Samsung), which I've been very happy with. Like many people I wanted to pay as little as I could. May be that I went too low for my expectations.
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If bugs were completely out of technology before it was released to the public then we wouldn't have technology.
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If I can crash the market by browsing my paid apps after having done a factory reset and without having installed anything I would say they haven't met the minimum necessary to release the device.
The market is a core component of the system. If that's unstable, the whole device is suspect.
Why did you start this thread knowing that no matter what good things are said about the tablet, nothing would change your mind. If you are not happy with the device then return it and go on. The majority of the owners here are very satisfied with both the hardware and software of the Acer. I don't think anyone was expecting HC to run as smooth as apple os and if these were your expectations then you will never be happy for the time being.
Again, I'm assuming you started this thread hoping someone would agree with you, but the fact is that most of us do not. Your problems are way out of the ordinary and for all intended purposes unacceptable in this device. So again, return it. Your not doing yourself any service by keeping a faulty product.
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Good point michaelg1030.
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If I can crash the market by browsing my paid apps after having done a factory reset and without having installed anything I would say they haven't met the minimum necessary to release the device.
The market is a core component of the system. If that's unstable, the whole device is suspect.
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michaelh99 have you considered posting a bug report to Google? For what it's worth, it may at least bring the issues you're having to their attention. It's placating but it can't hurt.
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Greetings all,
First time posting here though I am a longtime supporter and admirer of the XDA community- you guys rock!
My issue is with the Splashtop software used in the MyCloud app by Asus. All in all, this software is amazing- yes, you trade the ability to connect from any internet location (LogMeIn seems to remain best for that unless using RDP/VNC which are not browser based), but you get the most impressive streaming experience I've seen yet on an Android, even beating some Windows-to-Windows LAN streaming on a more powerful laptop than the Transformer!
My issue is this- they only work in windowed mode, but I can tell that games, in terms of graphical fidelity, input lag, and even sound, are totally playable streaming from your PC, even complex graphically intense ones. I say "I can tell" because there's a problem totally separate from the streaming that makes them unplayable. This is a shame, because I would literally be able to play Portal 2 (on an Android device..!?) from anywhere in my apartment if not for this glitch (I can tell by how it runs).
The issue is that, even though the mouse and keyboard (or external USB ones) function properly everywhere else in the OS, inside game windows all kinds of weird stuff seems to happen. I'm fine with having to click-to-drag for mouselook, you can get used to it fairly quickly actually. And not being able to re-map right-click to something more logical is a bummer. But beyond that a large number of things that don't make sense occur:
-To left click, you can't just click or tap, you have to tap, hold, and drag. This is a huge problem and I don't understand it! Outside of the game window, clicking works fine.
-Right clicking doesn't seem to work reliably in-game at ALL
-Keys (at least on the dock keyboard) seem to behave very strangely. Some (like the number keys) appear to always work fine... WASD sometimes work and sometimes don't... other keys never appear to respond. These keys seem to always work fine outside the game window, though.
Has anyone else encountered these issues? Any suggestions? It's frustrating, it's like I'm three tweaks away from the future of gaming and I just can't get there!
Anyway, kudos to Splashtop on the very awesome software despite these quirks. I hope they can be addressed and make this a truly killer app.
As many of you have likely already seen, the Nook Color is available for 179.99 today only (factory refurbished) at http://1saleaday.com/
I've been looking into getting a tablet lately, mostly for play - things like games, reading, and netflix. It seems like the Nook is a great "bang for the buck", and the devs have done some amazing work on it. I have a few questions before I take the dive though...
1. Battery Life.
How is the battery life while watching Netflix? While watching a movie on the SD-Card (let's assume 720P encoding). I notice that the Nook is rated at 8-10 hours with WiFi off, does that mean Wifi kills the battery, or just shaves off an hour or two?
2. Speed.
I understand that the Nook wasn't supposed to be a full fledged tablet, but the Devs have gotten some great ROMs for it that make it so. How is the speed? I want to make sure I'd use the tab over my phone when I'm at home, but my phone is actually quite fast (Atrix 4G, rooted, unlocked, running Alien2 with the OC kernel). Videos of the Nook with CM7 making it look very smooth with everything which is a huge plus (MotoBlur sucks, all animations on my phone are clunky... waiting for CM7 which is in alpha right now).
3. Gaming
I use my phone for moderate gaming, but it kinda sucks. I think that this will be my main focus on the Nook. Using emulators on my Atrix is a lesson a patience... The touch screen times out after 30 seconds of a finger being on the screen, so in games where you have to hold buttons a while, the screen becomes non-responsive. Because my phone's screen is small, it also makes playing a lot of emulators difficult as the buttons are on the screen itself. How do emulators run on the Nook? It looks like games from the market run just fine, which is great.
4. Shared Google account
My google account is tied into my phone right now, if I use the same account on the Nook, will I be able to install all of the same apps / games off of the market automatically?
5. Text Messaging
The Nook is Wifi only, so I know that Gtalk will work. What about SMS style messaging? Is there an app (or native in a ROM) ability to send / recieve text messages from the Nook while its on? This would make it so that I don't have to switch between devices at home in order to play games / watch a movie / whatever and talk to my phones.
Lastly.. what do you use your Tablet for? I know that I will play with this thing non-stop for a while, since its a new "toy". But other than running "old school" console games for a while (and Heroes of Might and Magic), I'm not sure what else I'd use the Tablet for considering that I own a very high end PC for gaming / programming, a MacBook Pro which sits on the coffee table in the TV room, an XboX for netflix streaming to the TV, and my much loved Atrix. I know that the tablet will be awesome while I'm playing with it and flashing ROMs, but from the experience of others... is it a passing fad for fun, or do you get a ton of use out of your tablet? If so, what do you use it for?
Any comments / questions are greatly appreciated. I've been looking into this for a few days, but now I'm on a time limit to buy the Nook on sale today, or wait for the next sale of a tablet.
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1) Battery life is amazing with the newer releases of CM7. I'm running 7.1 RC and left the wifi on when I finished charging it. After 24 hours in sleep I was only down 5%. After an hour use to update apps, browse online, etc, I was only down a few more percent.
2) Speed is great and just seems to get better with releases. Most people clock theirs to 1200 or 1300 (stock is 800) and run it daily like that. There is a lot of room to adjust for what you need/want.
3) I don't do a whole lot of gaming, but running something like Pocket Legends isn't a problem. I know some people are able to get Honeycomb only games running without problems. I think some require Tegra 2, so it shows how well this little thing performs.
4) Yes google account is shared. You purchase an app for your account and you can download it to both devices. The new market is device aware, so you may be able to purcahse and download to your phone, but not the Nook (if, for example, the app requires GPS), but there are ways around this.
5) I know SMS can be done, but I've never done it. Can't help here.
I love this little thing. For the price I don't see how you can pass it up. I use it for a little of everything: media, web, email. Probably the most use for me is having a nice little device to carry around documentation for work when I need to reference it.
If you have the money, thought about getting a tablet, and can do without camera, cell connection, it is definitely a great device to have.
I already have a NC but I went ahead an ordered one for the wife. She is a little jealous of mine so I figured why not for the price.
I use google voice to sms (can't call though without network), if you don't have a google voice account already, you can set it up, and connect it to your own phone number.
So I am loving the Mojo more than ever now that it has the Remix OS but I am still stuck with one annoying gripe. I cant seem to get my emulators to work without controller lag. The regular games seem to be fine but every emulator, no matter which ones I try, all seem to have the same input lag problem. Its not incredibly bad in fact some people might not even notice it but to me it annoys the crap out of me and makes games like Mario unplayable.
Does anyone else have this problem and if you do did you find a fix for it? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Yes. I have significant input lag as well. I have been meaning to test it on a computer monitor to ensure that it isn't just my TV. However, I'm in the same boat as you because normal Android games do not have lag, whereas, emulators do. I think it might be an issue with the emulator itself, but you wouldn't know for sure unless you tested it on an Android smartphone with comparable specs.
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Yes. I have significant input lag as well. I have been meaning to test it on a computer monitor to ensure that it isn't just my TV. However, I'm in the same boat as you because normal Android games do not have lag, whereas, emulators do. I think it might be an issue with the emulator itself, but you wouldn't know for sure unless you tested it on an Android smartphone with comparable specs.
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When you running the emulator, default mode is windows mode. After running emulator, try put your mouse point on emulator icon on task bar and press mouse right button(or controller's button 2) and choose full screen mode. I think still there is input lag, but much better than window mode.
Hello all,
I just wanted to let all who are interested know that the MyGica A681 USB stick works 100%. I have it hooked up to one of those flat window mount antennas and it receives full HD signal that I view through the PadTV app found on Play Store. The PadTV app lacks in a lot of ways, it would be cool if someone around here was able to come up with something better. A few of the channels have a major A/V delay but it may be due to reception and not the tuner stick or app. Overall, it was a very worthwhile purchase for me, if anyone has any questions let me know.
Hopefully this is useful information for a cord-cutter somewhere. I'm not in any way affiliated with MyGica, just a fellow MOJO owner who couldn't find any info on a TV Tuner stick that would work with our boxes so I took the dive on my own.
Thanks buddy, this is a great discovery!
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Thanks buddy, this is a great discovery!
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No problem. I've pretty much been doing a lot of my own discovering what works since there's not much documentation for our devices. Like I said in my first post, it would be awesome if someone around here was able to come up with something better for a channel surfing app. PadTV gets the job done, but it's certainly not the prettiest. I forgot to mention that it also does DVR, but one of my issues is that it will only save to internal storage and not something like an external drive or an SD card. The channel info/current episode descriptions are several hours behind. If theres a button on my remote for Channel +/-, I haven't found it. You have to use your mouse to bring up and scroll through channels. Again, it gets the job done, I can watch 39 or so OTA channels, and quite a few of which are HD. It's just not the most MOJO friendly UI, since it was intended for phones.
Some other things I use daily that work 100%: Ouya controller (as 2nd controller), Plugables brand 7x USB 3.0 hub, & a Rii Mini i8 keyboard. Obviously stuff like my Logitech Bluetooth receiver that I run to my stereo also works to receive audio from MOJO. My USB wired Logitech PC game controller works great as well.
Just trying to help fellow XDA'ers and Googlers not worry about compatibility before they order something like I did. That said, most if not all of my worries were completely unfounded because everything I've thrown at the MOJO so far works like a charm!
Would a wired XBox 360 controller work?
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Would a wired XBox 360 controller work?
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I don't have one to test but I'm 99% sure it would.
I'd just like to clarify a point: it may sound like nitpicking, but it's not the PadTV app that works; it's the PadTV-HD app. The standard PadTV just says it can't find a device.
That being said, the little MyGica is a little giant. I live in a fringe reception area, for decent reception I need a huge rooftop antenna, but this little thumb-drive-sized receiver still picks up a round dozen stations on the 10-cm piece of coat hanger wire it comes with. Yes, the weaker stations have audio lag problems; I hope a better antenna fixes that. It also costs about half what other similar units do, and most of them work on windows only.
I tried a few of the other TV apps on Play Store but the PadTV-HD was the only one that recognized the A681. I didn't find it all that bad an interface, except that the sidebars won't stay in place longer than a couple seconds, and I couldn't find a setting for that. It also lacks a volume control, as the MOJO itself does, so you must hope you have some control somewhere else. And there is no info in the EPG (electronic program guide) even though it appears to have that function. But I was able to find and watch several different channels without any real problems; except, of course, that TV programming in general sucks. Unless you're a sports fan.
So thanks, @tideee88, for the heads-up here!
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I'd just like to clarify a point: it may sound like nitpicking, but it's not the PadTV app that works; it's the PadTV-HD app. The standard PadTV just says it can't find a device.
That being said, the little MyGica is a little giant. I live in a fringe reception area, for decent reception I need a huge rooftop antenna, but this little thumb-drive-sized receiver still picks up a round dozen stations on the 10-cm piece of coat hanger wire it comes with. Yes, the weaker stations have audio lag problems; I hope a better antenna fixes that. It also costs about half what other similar units do, and most of them work on windows only.
I tried a few of the other TV apps on Play Store but the PadTV-HD was the only one that recognized the A681. I didn't find it all that bad an interface, except that the sidebars won't stay in place longer than a couple seconds, and I couldn't find a setting for that. It also lacks a volume control, as the MOJO itself does, so you must hope you have some control somewhere else. And there is no info in the EPG (electronic program guide) even though it appears to have that function. But I was able to find and watch several different channels without any real problems; except, of course, that TV programming in general sucks. Unless you're a sports fan.
So thanks, @tideee88, for the heads-up here!
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Yes, thank you for mentioning that it is in fact the PadTV HD app. Hope I didn't cause anyone any confusion. I also had no luck trying other tuner apps and I tried literally every one available on Play Store (including non-ATSC ones) and even tried sideloading a few because I dislike PadTV HD so much.
I agree that the MyGica stick is a great little device. I'm really impressed with it when it's able to do it's thing properly. I never tried the dinky little antenna it came with, I ordered a 25-mile distance flat window-mount antenna and it gets me about 39 channels here in Pittsburgh, PA. Lots of them are HD, and look and sound great. However, many of the Play Store reviews for PadTV HD seem to indicate that the slow motion, lag, and stuttering are a result of the app not taking advantage of hardware acceleration and thus is trying to encode 1080p on the fly via software rendering or something to that effect. Other than the mild inconveniences of things like not having a dedicated button for CH +/- and as you noted, the channel info being totally useless, it's a real bummer that I can't even get the channels I could be getting if it weren't for a poorly written app that is unfortunately our only option at the moment. I feel as though this is a real hole that could be filled with the rate at which Android set top boxes are becoming popular.
I mostly purchased this because the only time I ever need to watch broadcast TV is when my Steelers are on and hence have no use to pay for cable. I'm really hoping we have a new app sorted out before football season because FOX is one of the channels that currently comes in very laggy and out of sync for me at the moment.
Your MOJO doesn't have volume control, though? It certainly should. Do the hardkeys not work on your C.T.R.L.R.? Android system volume works perfect for me in all apps. Failing that, I've found you can change the volume in Pad TV HD by clicking somewhere in the video frame and dragging your mouse up or down, like a swipe if it were touch. Hopefully that helps!
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Yes, thank you for mentioning that it is in fact the PadTV HD app. Hope I didn't cause anyone any confusion. I also had no luck trying other tuner apps and I tried literally every one available on Play Store (including non-ATSC ones) and even tried sideloading a few because I dislike PadTV HD so much.
I agree that the MyGica stick is a great little device. I'm really impressed with it when it's able to do it's thing properly. I never tried the dinky little antenna it came with, I ordered a 25-mile distance flat window-mount antenna and it gets me about 39 channels here in Pittsburgh, PA. Lots of them are HD, and look and sound great. However, many of the Play Store reviews for PadTV HD seem to indicate that the slow motion, lag, and stuttering are a result of the app not taking advantage of hardware acceleration and thus is trying to encode 1080p on the fly via software rendering or something to that effect. Other than the mild inconveniences of things like not having a dedicated button for CH +/- and as you noted, the channel info being totally useless, it's a real bummer that I can't even get the channels I could be getting if it weren't for a poorly written app that is unfortunately our only option at the moment. I feel as though this is a real hole that could be filled with the rate at which Android set top boxes are becoming popular.
I mostly purchased this because the only time I ever need to watch broadcast TV is when my Steelers are on and hence have no use to pay for cable. I'm really hoping we have a new app sorted out before football season because FOX is one of the channels that currently comes in very laggy and out of sync for me at the moment.
Your MOJO doesn't have volume control, though? It certainly should. Do the hardkeys not work on your C.T.R.L.R.? Android system volume works perfect for me in all apps. Failing that, I've found you can change the volume in Pad TV HD by clicking somewhere in the video frame and dragging your mouse up or down, like a swipe if it were touch. Hopefully that helps!
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I'll try the volume control thing. I'm using CM12.1 and maybe it has a volume control somewhere but I haven't found it yet, I'm used to hardware switches. I'm not using the CTRLR either, just a keyboard & mouse. I'm still working on display resolution problems, as I don't really have the right display hardware for the MOJO, and it's picky that way. I'm about to give up entirely on the powered HDMI-2-VGA adapter to the 1280x1024 computer monitor, too unreliable even just in Android. Neither it nor the HDMI-2-DVI cable to the old Dell monitor will display at all in recovery, for that I have to commandeer the living room and the only true HDMI display in the house, which is a projector--not the best setup for tweaking a device. Still doing my homework on tweaking TWRP to 720P which I hope will solve that problem.
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I'll try the volume control thing. I'm using CM12.1 and maybe it has a volume control somewhere but I haven't found it yet, I'm used to hardware switches. I'm not using the CTRLR either, just a keyboard & mouse. I'm still working on display resolution problems, as I don't really have the right display hardware for the MOJO, and it's picky that way. I'm about to give up entirely on the powered HDMI-2-VGA adapter to the 1280x1024 computer monitor, too unreliable even just in Android. Neither it nor the HDMI-2-DVI cable to the old Dell monitor will display at all in recovery, for that I have to commandeer the living room and the only true HDMI display in the house, which is a projector--not the best setup for tweaking a device. Still doing my homework on tweaking TWRP to 720P which I hope will solve that problem.
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I'm running a rooted stock rom via HDMI so I'm not sure about your display issues as I haven't had any. But I use a bluetooth keyboard/mouse most of the time and the volume hardkeys work on that as well. If your keyboard has volume hardkeys and they don't work, it may be some sort of issue with your rom. AFAIK, my keyboard's drivers are just generic Windows ones.
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I'm running a rooted stock rom via HDMI so I'm not sure about your display issues as I haven't had any. But I use a bluetooth keyboard/mouse most of the time and the volume hardkeys work on that as well. If your keyboard has volume hardkeys and they don't work, it may be some sort of issue with your rom. AFAIK, my keyboard's drivers are just generic Windows ones.
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Same display issues regardless of ROM. AFAIK there are only four, and I tried them all. (This is a very rare instance of me following my own advice: try all the different flavors before deciding on a favorite.) Several people have reported similar issues while in system but I think I'm unique in the recovery problem. Changing the resolution by editing the build.prop improved my display in system but did nothing in recovery; I will just have to carry the MOJO into the living room whenever I need to use recovery, which shouldn't be that often. The bright side is that I learned to unpack and repack recovery images.
My keyboard is a wired mini with no extra room for media keys, but it does have a third control key (FN) to emulate them. But I can't see the blue-on-black icons to use them unless the room is brightly lit! Volume control is not a biggie for me though, I run the audio through a seventies-vintage amp and speakers. I pity those who grew up with "modern" surround sound, satellite speakers and a single subwoofer. My setups often fool both myself and the dogs, we can't tell if the noise is outside the open door or inside the TV.
BTW Windows keyboard drivers won't work on Android, but it's such a low-level thing they are just included in the kernel. Somewhere in the ROM is a keyboard map that can be edited (with root of course), but I misremember where. I never had to remap a keyboard.
PadTV HD app no longer works for me as of the latest update. For anyone considering purchasing a tuner, I recommend against it. Flushed $40 down the toilet.
If you'd like I'll send you the old version, I'll just need to save it then upload it. You'd just have to uninstall the newer version then sideload the old one and not allow it to update. Just PM me.
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If you'd like I'll send you the old version, I'll just need to save it then upload it. You'd just have to uninstall the newer version then sideload the old one and not allow it to update. Just PM me.
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Can you please send me the version that works?