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hi all,
it seems no change in speed by using 576MB hacked instead of original 488Mb (for my personal experience after using 2 cooked roms).
Can anyone help to give me more info for this such as advantage/disadvantage for these size and will it harm system or not?
Actually, it just happy me with bigger free size of ~300mb
thanks
This issue could also have other reasons.
Imagine you have a car
On the speedometer max speed is 200 km / h
Now you build a speedometer with a top speed 300 km / h
each now looks in the car assumes
that you have a tuned car which goes really fast
WM apps usually consume something between 0.2 (Outlook) to 10MB of memory (TomTom), so having 200MB free is more than enough for some serious multitasking. So, it is definitely not needed, but does not make any harm either.
I don´t agree, I had a Diamond with 192 mb ram and a touch HD with 288 mb ram, and both just powered, the HD was a lot faster, just because of the 100 mb extra ram (both had more than 50% ram free)
extra ram wont make the machine faster per say... it just increases the ability to handle more
If there was no advantage, then HTC would have probably not reales a HD2 with twice the amount of memory as the first release.
pkoper said:
If there was no advantage, then HTC would have probably not reales a HD2 with twice the amount of memory as the first release.
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I totally agree, especially since they haven't done that.
pkoper said:
If there was no advantage, then HTC would have probably not reales a HD2 with twice the amount of memory as the first release.
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as johnc says... they havent done that.
What they did do is release the T-Mobile Us version with twice as much ROM.
nothing to do with RAM. get your facts straight.
The T-Mobile US version however does have an extra 128MB RAM. But like i said above... there is no increase in overall performance. Extra RAM simply means it is able to handle more multitasking.
Gurgulio said:
This issue could also have other reasons.
Imagine you have a car
On the speedometer max speed is 200 km / h
Now you build a speedometer with a top speed 300 km / h
each now looks in the car assumes
that you have a tuned car which goes really fast
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i think this is the best answer. Yes, it just bring us the feeling.
some of you misunderstand my question. Of course, bigger ram size is surely faster but in this case, it is just a tweak from original 488Mb (hardware) up to 567Mb (fake ram )
bigfun said:
i think this is the best answer. Yes, it just bring us the feeling.
some of you misunderstand my question. Of course, bigger ram size is surely faster but in this case, it is just a tweak from original 488Mb (hardware) up to 567Mb (fake ram )
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no all hd2 have same rame size 576 ,it is not tweak to show fake capacities ,and it had been tested
hoss_n2 said:
no all hd2 have same rame size 576 ,it is not tweak to show fake capacities ,and it had been tested
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is is the truth? my HD2 show only 488mb with stock rom
bigfun said:
is is the truth? my HD2 show only 488mb with stock rom
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It requires a tweak to 'unlock' the extra RAM as it has been 'hidden' by the ROM software.
bigfun said:
is is the truth? my HD2 show only 488mb with stock rom
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it willnot show the 576 with out flashing new roms and new radios as the old os doesnot support this amound of ram
rp-x1 said:
It requires a tweak to 'unlock' the extra RAM as it has been 'hidden' by the ROM software.
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a tweak or change the rom
From the technical point of view. When an application is started the operating system loads the application from the ROM into the RAM memory, this process is slow because ROM memory is slower to read than RAM memory. So in order to take full advantage of the CPU 1GHZ processor, the operating system needs enough RAM memory to load the full application. RAM memory sits right on top of the CPU and communication between the CPU and RAM is very fast. If there isn't enough RAM memory the operating system will load part of the application into RAM and the rest will remain on the ROM. This will make the operating system to constantly read ROM memory which slows down your application. In some cases when an application is stopped the operating system might not release corresponding RAM memory, this is called a LEAKING POINTER. In this case you will need to reboot your system to release the memory. Having too many LEAKING POINTER will make your phone run slower because operating system constantly has to go to the ROM memory instead of using the full potential of the RAM
malisha1 said:
this is called a LEAKING POINTER
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lol...
Nearly as funny as RAMAROM!
With over 448MB of RAM, I really doubt that any WM app is going to cause problems with memory leaks to the extent that an app cannot run properly. Bear in mind that WM apps are tiny, compared to Windows (PC) applications, so the same rules don't really apply. Yes, they do, okay, but these things simply don't happen.
You really shouldn't notice any difference between 448MB of RAM and 576MB of RAM. If you do, it's in your head, probably because you want to believe it. Perception is not always fact.
johncmolyneux said:
lol...
Nearly as funny as RAMAROM!
With over 448MB of RAM, I really doubt that any WM app is going to cause.
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I agree with you but if you are a browsering the internet and listening to music and have couple of other clients/apps running you might see a jump in the memory usage.
malisha1 said:
I agree with you but if you are a browsering the internet and listening to music and have couple of other clients/apps running you might see a jump in the memory usage.
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Yes, of course, but still not to the extent that we're talking about. I've never seen the memory usage on my HD2 over about 60%, and I use it very heavily.
Like I said, the (PC) Windows rules don't really apply to WM.
johncmolyneux said:
Yes, of course, but still not to the extent that we're talking about. I've never seen the memory usage on my HD2 over about 60%, and I use it very heavily.
Like I said, the (PC) Windows rules don't really apply to WM.
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I guess so, my professional exprience is working with windows server and unix mainframe systems. Which could be different from a phone architecture.
If anyone manages to max out the standard 448MB of RAM then i would like to know how the hell they managed it with winmo!
Can someone please tell me what they think is the best clock speed for their Mytouch 3gLE...List the cons and pros if you can...thanks
xtheishx said:
Can someone please tell me what they think is the best clock speed for their Mytouch 3gLE...List the cons and pros if you can...thanks
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I keep my clock speed at 528 MHZ, the phone flies, but it eats up extra battery. Well worth it in my opinion.
C0dy said:
I keep my clock speed at 528 MHZ, the phone flies, but it eats up extra battery. Well worth it in my opinion.
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Would 614 hurt my phones cpu?
xtheishx said:
Would 614 hurt my phones cpu?
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I haven't tried the 614 method yet, but 528 is fast enough, I don't see a reason to go higher yet.
eclair roms...
and I don't use partitions...
xtheishx said:
eclair roms...
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In my experience, I've never had serious slowdown on Eclair ROMs, even without overclocking.
C0dy said:
In my experience, I've never had serious slowdown on Eclair ROMs, even without overclocking.
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Hmm Should i use partition, and if i do which ones? ext 3 or 4...i dont know much about partitions
i've been running at 614 for a month now, with no random reboots, and i do notice a smoother quicker response on everything
anything higher and i get random reboots, 633, 652 once in a while
692, pretty much a given
tnpapadakos said:
i've been running at 614 for a month now, with no random reboots, and i do notice a smoother quicker response on everything
anything higher and i get random reboots, 633, 652 once in a while
692, pretty much a given
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Hmm sounds great same here, what rom?
xtheishx said:
Hmm sounds great same here, what rom?
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in my signature....
cyanogenmod 5.0.8 test1 (5.0.7 and 4.2.15 before that)
I found this, it looks like it could be handy
Will this work for virtuous galaxy or indeed any of our roms or phones?
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Credit - Juwe11
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1111145&highlight=tablet
MJ-12
MJ-12 said:
I found this today, it looks like it could be handy
Will this work for virtuous galaxy or indeed any of our roms or phones?
Video included...
Credit - Juwe11
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1111145&highlight=tablet
MJ-12
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This was made for the Galaxy S phones. They have 340MB of RAM (give or take) and all the TABs have nearly twice the amount of RAM! It may be of some use but I doubt it! I have never gone under 150MB free on my A500 and I don't use task managers/killers of any kind!
OrionBG said:
This was made for the Galaxy S phones. They have 340MB of RAM (give or take) and all the TABs have nearly twice the amount of RAM! It may be of some use but I doubt it! I have never gone under 150MB free on my A500 and I don't use task managers/killers of any kind!
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Well I think if you read it you will see that its not about giving more ram...
Its optimized (I think) with the best set up to keep your apps in the ram, thus not having to start them over and over again.
Thus more speed and no lag.
Do you see?
MJ-12
I can see a small benefit of this kind of script on RAM-constrained devices, but the A500 has a gigabyte of RAM, not sure you'd really need this (and not sure the script will even work on 3.0 devices). Maybe when Ice Cream Sandwich comes out and expects all tablets to have quad-core CPUs and 4GB RAM
Android does a great job handling ram.I only use a task killer to stop apps that have gone amuk .even good one can do this.the memory manager you install is likely going to use up more resources then it saves.
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Android does a great job handling ram.I only use a task killer to stop apps that have gone amuk .even good one can do this.the memory manager you install is likely going to use up more resources then it saves.
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wow! this is not to save ram, it uses more ram but better... did anyone read the article?
MJ-12 said:
wow! this is not to save ram, it uses more ram but better... did anyone read the article?
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Urge to troll you... so strong..
Hi. I have my HD2 with android 4.0.4 with HWA. My friend has Galaxy mini with 2.3.7 (CM7 rom). And he has better 2D and 3D score in all benchmarks. Why? I don't think Galaxy is so new and so better than HWA HD2... So are the benchmarks lying or I have really worse performance?
And questions to devs or people who understand it: why I have 5000 points in I/O on Dorimanx's CM7 rom and on 4.0.4 HWA I have 1000?
Galaxy mini has only 320x240 resolution, so it has a better score.
OK, but shouldn't I have better CPU and GPU (I mean Adreno) to process more stuff? But ok, I am not grumbling, I was just curious.
And what with that I/O speed? Because in HWA roms write and read is very very slow.
kubekpop said:
OK, but shouldn't I have better CPU and GPU (I mean Adreno) to process more stuff? But ok, I am not grumbling, I was just curious.
And what with that I/O speed? Because in HWA roms write and read is very very slow.
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With dorimanxs ROM you must of had data 2 ext enabled so the io scores were that high because of your memory card and on ics you are using your internal memory which is slower than ext4 partitions
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kubekpop said:
OK, but shouldn't I have better CPU and GPU (I mean Adreno) to process more stuff? But ok, I am not grumbling, I was just curious.
And what with that I/O speed? Because in HWA roms write and read is very very slow.
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TBH, benchmarks mean nothing. All that really matters is the end user experience. If you're satisfied with the performance then it really couldn't matter less what you get in benchmarks. Think about it this way, a Galaxy mini might get a higher benchmark but could you really live with a tiny low res screen and TouchWiz (vs almost ANYTHING on the HD2)?
Thank you guys. I am happy about your answers. That's right. Mini has too small screen.
And one more thing: people (like Rick_1995) can play GTA 3 smoothly. I have still lags. I am not requiering 60fps, but ability of playing it comfortable Am I doing something wrong?
kubekpop said:
Thank you guys. I am happy about your answers. That's right. Mini has too small screen.
And one more thing: people (like Rick_1995) can play GTA 3 smoothly. I have still lags. I am not requiering 60fps, but ability of playing it comfortable Am I doing something wrong?
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Possibly that he is overclocking and you arent?
elesbb said:
Possibly that he is overclocking and you arent?
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I've been trying to get GTA3 running too. Even after setting the governor to performance and details to minimum driving wasn't possible. Does anyone know how to do it? Should we increase volts?
I cannot overclock above 1.2GHz (I don't know why won't they add 1.6GHz from Dorimanx kernel).
kubekpop said:
I cannot overclock above 1.2GHz (I don't know why won't they add 1.6GHz from Dorimanx kernel).
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Dunno why but for me on Typhoon CM7 there was no difference between 1.2GHz and 1.6GHz so I doubt there will be for CM9 either. I can give a +1 to GTA running poorly despite what others say.
kubekpop said:
Thank you guys. I am happy about your answers. That's right. Mini has too small screen.
And one more thing: people (like Rick_1995) can play GTA 3 smoothly. I have still lags. I am not requiering 60fps, but ability of playing it comfortable Am I doing something wrong?
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Nigeldg said:
Dunno why but for me on Typhoon CM7 there was no difference between 1.2GHz and 1.6GHz so I doubt there will be for CM9 either. I can give a +1 to GTA running poorly despite what others say.
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GTA3 on my phone:
elesbb said:
Possibly that he is overclocking and you arent?
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CPU running at 998MHz (no OC), I'm using unreleased drivers so it could be them.
Daycrawler said:
I've been trying to get GTA3 running too. Even after setting the governor to performance and details to minimum driving wasn't possible. Does anyone know how to do it? Should we increase volts?
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voltage wouldn't make a difference.
kubekpop said:
I cannot overclock above 1.2GHz (I don't know why won't they add 1.6GHz from Dorimanx kernel).
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How can you tell that the cpu is really running at 1.6GHz and the kernel is just not faking it ? Qualcomm, the company which made the cpu never released any info about how cpu is clocked in hardware, or the pll limits, the multiplier limits, what internal clock logic checks for etc..
Are they going to be released?
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That's how it runs on my phone as well. I definitely don't define that as smooth. I've played it on my Mum's Desire S and it was far better, with a much higher framerate and better resolution (although that's probably due to the smaller screen) so I personally expect more from the game. Also, what about Real Racing? Happen to have a video of that? Because I've heard that's supposed to work without lag but it most certainly doesn't (Raging Thunder and NFS: Shift do but Real Racing doesn't). On a side note, thanks so much for all of the work you've been doing to keep this phone alive, without people like you in the community this phone would be completely dead
Is it just me or have I lost an entire GB of ram?
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Any help?
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I think with 4.3, the GPU gets 1gb, so that leaves 1gb for normal RAM. Others please correct me if this incorrect.
sttovo said:
I think with 4.3, the GPU gets 1gb, so that leaves 1gb for normal RAM. Others please correct me if this incorrect.
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Yep.
Actually, even with 4.2 is was,,,~700MB for the GPU; 4.3 upped it to ~1000-1100MB, IIRC.
Great. Now nexus 10 can have better benchmark scores for games, but lack the ability to multitask, let alone load several chrome tabs. Now I have to swipe close all previous apps to use Internet...
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Great. Now nexus 10 can have better benchmark scores for games, but lack the ability to multitask, let alone load several chrome tabs. Now I have to swipe close all previous apps to use Internet...
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Actually, having more GPU memory means it has a better ability to run games and videos (no need to speak again, but I will: there are videos my N10 runs, which my SIV doesn't). Also Chrome is a bad browser when comes to RAM management, you can try some other good options like Dolphin Browser and Maxthon:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.mgeek.TunnyBrowser - Dolphin
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mx.browser.tablet - Maxthon