Do you guys believe this device will get much love from ROM developers? I love to tinker with my devices and don't want to be stuck with something that has no development?
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No one can answer this only you. It could be tomorrow or next year.. sorry
Right now I wouldn't, I've got it and it's just sitting there collecting dust till there is a rom. No Google on an Android tablet is absurd.
here's my take as a lay person
Most of the people who want hardcore development will opt for the slightly underpowered, but very capable, Nexus 7. While the Kindle fire HDX 8.9 offers marvelous hardware, with a top of the line display, it has a locked, and guarded bootloader, which will be tough to crack. While it has already been rooted, and their is safestrap, roms will be limited until the bootloader is cracked. Kernel flashing will obviously be impossible without this. The root capability opens the window, but the door is still closed. I have the 7", and I do enjoy flashing roms, customizing, and tinkering simply for the sake of learning, but I don't have lofty expectations of the devs. While they are wonderful, and make an uncalled for effort to make every device perform at it's peak, I cannot see a locked device getting an abundant amount of attention, when a similarly capable, same-gen piece of hardware came out offering exactly what you already want. You may need to look at other similarly priced 10" tablets, that offer the same hardware, or close, that can be unlocked with a simple click, rather than 100s of man hours, and a bit of hope.
I was going to purchase the Kindle Fire HDX 8.9 but Office Depot had a great deal on the 7" Kindle Fire HDX. $179.99 plus you get a $20.00 gift card.
Kindle Fire HDX
aaronuser said:
Do you guys believe this device will get much love from ROM developers? I love to tinker with my devices and don't want to be stuck with something that has no development?
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I've been side-loading my Google Apps, and I'm quite happy with mine so far. I say go ahead and get one. You can always return it within a month.
My advise is for you to buy it.
I already rooted it and, thanks to @andoidcowboy tutorial, i got all my google apps working.
I live outside US and I am able to stream all PRIME content (movies, series, etc) using some DNS...
Hardware is really awesome, tab is really comfortable... i just love the darn thing! only thing i regret is not buying the 64gb one...
If you want real custom ROM's like CyanogenMOD or SlimRom's, then keep looking elsewhere. Because Kindle isn't getting them ANYTIME soon.
If nobody can flash one of these ROM's on a current release of the Galaxy S4 AT&T phone then you can believe the HDX isn't going to be any better.
Only the first two releases of S4 can flash AOSP. Any S4 released in the last 2-4 months is screwed.
All I'm hoping for its maybe a stock rom debloated . Google play . And can still access my prime features
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At this point no. Most Dev's want to go after the easier targets that do not have locked bootloaders. Amazon has no one to blame but themselves if they fail (again) with this device.
I was this close to buying one, but after using the Nexus 5 and seeing how life is so much easier with unlocked bootloader, I'm never going back to a device that is not a Nexus or GPE. If I'm going be someone's b****, it better come with more benefits than Amazon Prime.
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Amazon has no one to blame but themselves if they fail (again) with this device.
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I'm not sure Amazon failed in the past with their Kindle Fires. Failed in the eyes of Devs maybe but not to normal consumers.
Which apps are compatible with rooted Kindle fire HDX 8.9
Hi there!
I'm thinking about getting the kindle 8.9 for its awesome hardware, but I'm concerned about what apps are available? Assuming I root the device, can I side load ANY android app? Or only the handful that I see threads about on this forum? (e.g., google apps).
If I'm limited to a handful of apps that's probably a deal breaker.
Thanks in advance!
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I'm not sure Amazon failed in the past with their Kindle Fires. Failed in the eyes of Devs maybe but not to normal consumers.
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Normal? So your saying that people here are not? They are strange?
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Hi there!
I'm thinking about getting the kindle 8.9 for its awesome hardware, but I'm concerned about what apps are available? Assuming I root the device, can I side load ANY android app? Or only the handful that I see threads about on this forum? (e.g., google apps).
If I'm limited to a handful of apps that's probably a deal breaker.
Thanks in advance!
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You can sideload. Some apps (like ones on Fdroid) need Root. The troublesome part is finding apks (Android version of installer file for app). You can use a back up tool on another device or search the net for apks (that are not Trojan/Virus modded).
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I was this close to buying one, but after using the Nexus 5 and seeing how life is so much easier with unlocked bootloader, I'm never going back to a device that is not a Nexus or GPE. If I'm going be someone's b****, it better come with more benefits than Amazon Prime.
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I have Prime, so may hold it for a bit. If the Gtab 10.1 2014 drops in price (by at least $100) I'll get rid of this.
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At this point no. Most Dev's want to go after the easier targets that do not have locked bootloaders. Amazon has no one to blame but themselves if they fail (again) with this device.
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I kinda disagree on this.
I agree on the Devs hitting the easier targets, but going by the specs and the price I think it's fairly clear (happy to be proved wrong lol) that Amazon are selling the HDX's at minimal profit and are relying on revenue from sales of their wares through pushing it massively through the Kindle OS.
Amazon obviously know that an unlocked bootloader == user removing Amazon specific features == lost revenue for them.
If it does fail it won't be due to the locked bootloader, IMHO. Although, I do feel they blew 1 toe off by not at least giving you the option of using Google Services on it, many apps require this and they could still bombard us with Amazon goodies.
Maybe, on the logic above, they could have released an unlocked version for a premium, but I for one would not have considered the Kindle HDX, regardless of the specs, if the price was more than a Nexus 7 2013.
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If you want real custom ROM's like CyanogenMOD or SlimRom's, then keep looking elsewhere. Because Kindle isn't getting them ANYTIME soon.
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Why not? Literally every single kindle fire has a custom firmware or port to it. It seems like you're pulling this "kindles aren't getting custom roms" out of your ass.Hell, i've got kit-kat 4.4 running on the original kindle fire.
I think the company that makes the kindle Foxcon/Asus/LG or whoever should have released a cosemetically altered version and sell it as a GPE. I would gladly pay $50 more for a unsubsidized version that isn't locked down. From what I read, the HW meets or exceeds Apple products.
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I kinda disagree on this.
I agree on the Devs hitting the easier targets, but going by the specs and the price I think it's fairly clear (happy to be proved wrong lol) that Amazon are selling the HDX's at minimal profit and are relying on revenue from sales of their wares through pushing it massively through the Kindle OS.
Amazon obviously know that an unlocked bootloader == user removing Amazon specific features == lost revenue for them.
If it does fail it won't be due to the locked bootloader, IMHO. Although, I do feel they blew 1 toe off by not at least giving you the option of using Google Services on it, many apps require this and they could still bombard us with Amazon goodies.
Maybe, on the logic above, they could have released an unlocked version for a premium, but I for one would not have considered the Kindle HDX, regardless of the specs, if the price was more than a Nexus 7 2013.
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Little to no profit on the base models but they are getting more on the higher storage models. The real problem is that such powerful hardware is gimped by the OS locked to the device. Truly a waste. And it can fail by word of mouth as well. Folks ask the "techie" in the family what to get and this can easily be shot down as an option thanks to the lack of options. Everyone I know has a custom Rom or at least rooted on their hardware. Especially since they had me do it.
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Little to no profit on the base models but they are getting more on the higher storage models. The real problem is that such powerful hardware is gimped by the OS locked to the device. Truly a waste. And it can fail by word of mouth as well. Folks ask the "techie" in the family what to get and this can easily be shot down as an option thanks to the lack of options. Everyone I know has a custom Rom or at least rooted on their hardware. Especially since they had me do it.
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I couldn't decide to be fair, so I took the choice out of my hands and just gave the GF a choice of what to get me between the HDX and a Nexus 7.
She obviously chose the HDX for me and I can't say I'm disappointed.
I do have a Nexus 4 though so I can mod that to my hearts content. Her logic was why would I need 2 devices to do the same thing?
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Two months ago, I was getting ready for my vacation (first one in six years) and a trip to US (Going next week). I spent several days checking forums, sites, magazines, everything that would help me choose the best tablet, and Xoom looked like the best option.
I never liked Apple and Ipad. To 'restricted' I’m my opinion. It's like a fine car that doesn't allow you to change the gear, break, accelerate or even steering. Basically the only think you can do is to insert address in the GPS and horn!
I have a Samsung galaxy S and so fat it’s the best phone I have ever had. I already had HTC, Kaiser, Blackberry, Motorola, LG, Nokia, etc and this is, by far, the best one. At first it was terrible: slow, too may Samsung bloatware, terrible battery live, but after flashing few cooked roms it transformed itself to a new device. It was Clark and now became Superman.
Back to the Tablets, when I was looking for the best tablet for me I checked other tablets as well: Samsung didn't had micro SD slot, no HDMI output and it also had almost the same weight as Xoom. Rim Tablet was too "Blackberry alike", and with an unknown OS. LG didn't have all the option as the Motorola Xoom and Ipad is… Ipad. So Xoom looked like the best option available. I decided to pre-order the Wi-Fi version to be delivered to the hotel address because I was afraid of a possible shortage. I have only one shot and I couldn`t miss it. Also this way I would be able to use it as my main computer during the trip. The Xoom is already waiting me on the hotel front desk…
….But I wish it wasn’t. In few weeks Xoom changed from the best available option to the worst option in the new Android market.
First, Motorola wasn’t able to keep up with other companies. Samsung did a major strategic movement and decided to re-design their table. Samsung created a tablet that weight just like an Ipad, and almost 30% less than the Xoom with almost the same specs as the Xoom. Samsung included a MicroSD slot, a much better screen (Super IPS) and HDMI while keeping same price as an Ipad 2. I can get the 16gb version for 100 less than the Xoom and I will still able to buy three or more 16gb MicroSD. Looking at the Samsung tablet make you feel like Motorola isn’t even trying. Bulkier, heavier an more expensive (ok 32gb is the same price, but they didn’t include a 16gb version which is cheaper if you think that you can get a 16gb MicroSD for 30 now.)
In the meantime Motorola is fighting itself: news that they will drop the production of Xoom, e-mails sent to Xda to remove .dump file, locket bootloader on the atrix and droid phones. It looks like Motorola is attacking the only thing that could save the Xoom: The community that could help support the device by making customs rom and other improvements.
In my opinion, it looks like Motorola is working hard to prevent customs Roms to the Xoom
So I keep asking myself if I should keep the Xoom, and the short answer is: No. I shouldn’t
I will be needing a tablet during my trip and I still haven`t decided if I should keep my Xoom until I can get a Samsung Tab or if I should send it back to Amazon and get a Asus Transformer. I am afraid that keeping the Xoom for too much time I won`t be able sell it in the future. I`m feeling like I am with a time bomb on my lap and if I doesn`t sell it fast enough it will blow.
And I have no doubt that it will be much easier to sell an Asus Transformer or an Acer A 500 than sell the Xoom in the near future. Hey, the transformer have a different strategy (that it can also be used as a netbook) so I may ending keeping it (but I still like Samsung Tab 10.1 best).
For now, Xoom is just better than nothing because there are no other android devices available. From April 24th (Acer A500 launch) it will face the competition of Acer. After that Asus and Samsung. The truth is that I haven`t even open the Xoom box, but I’m already with bitter taste in my mouth.
Some people talk about Xoom having the premium price. You paid more because you wanted to have the first Android device in the market ahead from everyone. OK, but would you pay this “premium price” if you knew that it would only last four weeks? That after 4 weeks you would have 4 new and better options (cheaper ones) available? Also, how much “premium price” you’ll have to pay? You already paying it in dollars, but you already paying it in the fact that the OS have bugs (like Mem space bug), that the SD card doesn’t work, that the screen is worst than every other device. How much you’ll have to pay as premium price?
Now I just need to know how can I return an unopened Xoom to Amazon and have a refund to purchase and Acer or and Asus for 200 bucks less.
It’s sad when you haven’t event received a new gadget but you already have give up on it, but it is worst when you realized that even the manufacture have already give up on the device.
isnt the galaxy tab shipping with FROYO? with Samsung's track record, I doubt it'll get honeycomb in 2011, gingerbread is a more realistic goal, maybe near christmas?
Xoom is a great tablet and I'm sorry that you've decided to return it without even using it.
This same thread has been posted too many times, and needs to be added to a forum FAQ or something. "Should I buy x if y is coming out soon?" turns into "Should I buy y if z is coming out soon?". At some point you just have to make a purchase and accept that no technology is going to be "the best" for very long
Wait, you haven't even opened the box and we get this long rant?
Use the device, let your experience guide your choices. The simple fact is that the Xoom is a powerful and beautiful slate, if you are one of us who love it out of the box.
We have root, we have overclock and regardless of the Xoom platform Honeycomb will have a strong community support even if because it is Android.
I for one am a power user and love my Xoom, it's attractive and does it's job well for my tastes.
Regardless, you need to experience the thing in your environment before you decide it isn't worth your time. Normally the hurdle would be the purchase, but you've already passed that one. Take the time to configure and play, then decide!
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isnt the galaxy tab shipping with FROYO? with Samsung's track record, I doubt it'll get honeycomb in 2011, gingerbread is a more realistic goal, maybe near christmas?
Xoom is a great tablet and I'm sorry that you've decided to return it without even using it.
This same thread has been posted too many times, and needs to be added to a forum FAQ or something. "Should I buy x if y is coming out soon?" turns into "Should I buy y if z is coming out soon?". At some point you just have to make a purchase and accept that no technology is going to be "the best" for very long
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Galaxy Tab 10 is not shipping with 2.2. Launching with 3.0.
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Galaxy Tab 10 is not shipping with 2.2. Launching with 3.0.
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my bad, must be thinking of the older one; I feel sorry for anyone who bought that oversized phone that doesnt make calls
After using honeycomb, 2.x just doesnt make sense on a tablet
edit: I cant wait for all these new tablets to come out so people can start to differentiate between problems with the xoom and problems with honeycomb.
It's amazing how you've managed to out dumb every single other post in xoom general with this ridiculous pointless rant.
You've not even opened the box and you're complaining about the xoom.
The xoom is the most unlocked device moto has ever produced, it won't ever be locked.
You have nothing to backup your claims at all. There is nothing about the new tablets coming out that will reduce your enjoyment of the xoom. If you keep worrying about the next tablet and then the next tablet you will never have a tablet, and never be happy.
The xoom is a wonderful device with a lot going for it and nothing samsung or acer does will change that for me.
Honestly its your fault for ordering something so far ahead of time, especially a device like this that had almost no chance of selling out.
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I'm sure that the description "From Heaven to Hell" seems a bit dramatic to most readers, but if thats the way you feel, you will probably never be happy with the Xoom even after the upgrades & updates.
The more I read the more I realize the Xoom really is only going to one of the best tablets after it's hacked, overclocked and running a high quality custom ROM. This is the way I always intended to use the Xoom, though I am learning that I really am in the minority of users. Those consumers having no intention of hacking the tablet are likely to be disappointed when comparing it to a more "finished" product.
I add my experience to this post only to help illustrate the importance of considering the intended use of the product by the individual giving his opinion of it. Critics of users who are dissatisfied with the Xoom seem to overlook that relevance and chastise them unjustly. Inevitably, every thread that includes negative opinions of the Xoom turns to **** as a polarized pissing contest ensues.
The ironic good part of this usual course of behavior is that waiting for these updates will give everyone a chance to get this crap out of their system so that by that time we can get busy talking about nothing but development, improvements and ROMs. Won't THAT be great?!
Sorry if you think that what I wrote is 'ridiculous pointless rant', but what a wrote is just what I am feeling so I am probably feeling ridiculous pointless right now.
About pre-ordering, yes it was a bad call. But I was in the US last thanksgiving and I spent two weeks trying to get a Xbox Kinect with no luck. I just didn`t want that to happened again. I also pre order a 3DS in the same way as the Xoom.
I agree that there is nothing from the new tables that would keep me from enjoying the Xoom, but that's not so simple. It's human nature to search for the best, and have the best. So I can say that except for some users that actually try several devices in order to choose the right one, most of the consumers will just choose the ones that looks the best. And between too devices, one 30% lighter and with the same specs, most of the users will go for the lighter even without testing.
I know that I am responsible for what happened but I think that what you should realize is that this will be the most typical scenario for the Xoom in the next weeks. Do you think that most of the consumers will act as XDA user and will do their homework (even then some XDA users will return theirs Xoom) or they will make their decisions like I did, in an impulse purchase?
Just look how many people stood on the line to purchase an Ipad 2 in the first day. None of these people were able to fully try Ipad before buying it. They just went for the one that looked the best.
And so this will probably happens with Android devices too. Most of people will go for the one with better specs or, in a secondary decision path, for the cheaper one. Very few people will go for the `right one for me`.
I just don't think that Motorola will hold on the Xoom if they start getting low sales numbers and high return rates. Motorola hasn't show that it will support Xoom if it fails in sale, and that's, combined to a POSSIBLE decision to prevent custom rooms (like they did in some Droid and Atrix phones) will turn out to be doom fall to Xoom users.
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I'm sure that the description "From Heaven to Hell" seems a bit dramatic to most readers, but if thats the way you feel, you will probably never be happy with the Xoom even after the upgrades & updates.
The more I read the more I realize the Xoom really is only going to one of the best tablets after it's hacked, overclocked and running a high quality custom ROM. This is the way I always intended to use the Xoom, though I am learning that I really am in the minority of users. Those consumers having no intention of hacking the tablet are likely to be disappointed when comparing it to a more "finished" product.
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I agree with the fact that Xoom will be a much better device after hacked and with custom Rom. I just don`t know if that will happen. Just look at the Atrix forum and the petition to have an unlocked bootloader. If I`m wrong please let me know but we are not sure, at this time, that there will be custom roms avaiable to the Xoom.
If I may throw my 2 cents into the can...
Yes, it looks like cheaper, and slimmer or lighter tablets are coming around the corner. Acer and Asus have it right in the price. Samsung built a thinner mouse trap, if you will, with redesigning the 8.9 and 10.1 Tabs.
Here's why the Xoom is my pick to date: Stock Android Device. Yes, all these tablets will have Honeycomb, but the OEM's are placing UI's on top. Granted, They don't appear to be too obtrusive to the Honeycomb experience (thank you Samsung for figuring that out) it will still be an issue when updates are released. I learned my lesson on the phone side and bought the Nexus S, and am so, so glad I did. Now, I don't want to get into a discussion of who the updates will be coming from, but it's obvious that a stock operating system will get the updates much, much faster than any devices with custom UI's. Samsung will have one, Asus will have one, hell HTC wants to put frigging Sense on their tablets. Yes people, you HTC tablet owners will get to stare at that stupid clock widget all day long on a bigger screen.
Look, I understand that the Xoom is way too expensive, I look at my Best Buy account and cringe, but I'm glad I pulled the trigger and bout the Xoom. It may not be a "Nexus" device per say, but for the joy of having the "pure Google experience" I'm all about the Xoom.
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I agree with the fact that Xoom will be a much better device after hacked and with custom Rom. I just don`t know if that will happen. Just look at the Atrix forum and the petition to have an unlocked bootloader. If I`m wrong please let me know but we are not sure, at this time, that there will be custom roms avaiable to the Xoom.
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the only thing stopping the development of custom roms right now is the lack of HC source code, so if the xoom never gets custom roms then no 3.x device will
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If I may throw my 2 cents into the can...
Yes, it looks like cheaper, and slimmer or lighter tablets are coming around the corner. Acer and Asus have it right in the price. Samsung built a thinner mouse trap, if you will, with redesigning the 8.9 and 10.1 Tabs.
Here's why the Xoom is my pick to date: Stock Android Device. Yes, all these tablets will have Honeycomb, but the OEM's are placing UI's on top. Granted, They don't appear to be too obtrusive to the Honeycomb experience (thank you Samsung for figuring that out) it will still be an issue when updates are released. I learned my lesson on the phone side and bought the Nexus S, and am so, so glad I did. Now, I don't want to get into a discussion of who the updates will be coming from, but it's obvious that a stock operating system will get the updates much, much faster than any devices with custom UI's. Samsung will have one, Asus will have one, hell HTC wants to put frigging Sense on their tablets. Yes people, you HTC tablet owners will get to stare at that stupid clock widget all day long on a bigger screen.
Look, I understand that the Xoom is way too expensive, I look at my Best Buy account and cringe, but I'm glad I pulled the trigger and bout the Xoom. It may not be a "Nexus" device per say, but for the joy of having the "pure Google experience" I'm all about the Xoom.
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I agree with most everything you said however, where is the microSD card support on Xoom? These new tablets are releasing with functional slots. For a flagship device for Honeycomb, I am a bit disappointed. I have had my Xoom since day 1 and being as patient as possible with this but seeing other honeycomb tablets release with microSD support is a slap in the face.
dandearebr,
notice this...
regarding development of android device you must have development device, until now the development device supported by google are : G1 (legacy, not supported anymore), Nexus One, Nexus S and Motorola Xoom... the last three have unlock bootoloader officially, not by doing a hack, G1 Dev are coming unlocked from the first day of release (except G1 T Mob)..
so now, are you sure the next coming HC tablets have official unlock bootloader? "fastboot oem unlock"
Droid, Desire, Xperia etc, they are not development device, so is Atrix and others..the only way to put custom android to that product is hacking the bootloader..
Atrix have a good bootloader lock, afaik until now, no one have succes unlock milestone bootloader..so atrix will do the same..
now, one million dollars question for u, are u sure u want to buy next tablet that we dont know about their bootloader? u love custom rom right?
Dear Dandearebr
You will never get "perfect" tablet because there is no definition of such. There are expectations that are constantly changing, also they are very personal and subjective.
Your opinion is based on reviews and vocal complainers baseless in most of cases.
Xoom is very solid tablet capable of replacing of laptop. I am sure that it will get updates and will be useful for a least a year, year and a half. Then it will be a picture frame.
BTW, it has amazingly powerful sound. Listening online radio is very enjoyable.
My opinion is based on experience using Android since 2009, starting with HTC G1, then MyTouch, Galaxy S, Samsung Galaxy Tab 7". Xoom is a different animal because of Honeycomb and it is a big step forward.
Personally I prefer 7" tab with phone capability and pocketable size.
Classic buyer's remorse. We've all been there. My suggestion is to follow through and return it. You will never likely be happy with it, regardless of how well it functions for you.
Happily typing from my unlocked, rooted, overclocked Xoom.
Please return it so that real users don't have to clean up after you and kiss your boo-boos. Sheesh, you don't need a Xoom, you need a mom!
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So have you actually used the device?
God, return it.
Then when the XYZ tablet you want comes out you will go cry to those forums that ZYS v2.0 tablet is coming out.
I don't get why a lot of you are getting all defensive and starts attacking a fellow member, just because he's having a much better look at the future than us early adopters. I mean, be honest guys! A lot of us here are all wishful thinking about the opposite of what the OP has said! Yeah, we all might be happy for now, as the Motorola Xoom is the only tablet available that's actually competing with iPadLock2. But a few days, weeks from now, with all these tablets coming out and (hopefully not) the chance of Xoom reaching it's end of life/production. Along with threats of locked bootloader and a chance of not getting any update support from Motorola (FACT: XOOM is NOT the developer TAB from Google), we might just end up flooding this forum with threads just like the OP's.. Let's face it, no one knows about Xoom's future.. Heck I don't even know if Jha even knows the Xooms future at this point.. But the fact that Xoom's sale wasn't really that good, due to motorola's marketing strategy and price, with the iPad 2's overwhelming, and the upcoming flooding of Honeycomb tablets with better specs and/or pricing, our Xoom tablet could very well just end up as a very expensive paperweight.. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy with my Xoom! It meets my daily needs but the fact that it hasn't yet reached it's full potential due to Honeycomb's infancy, the FC's and limited apps worries me. I mean, we all know how these companies are.. If their product doesn't sell, they stop the production and support/updates. Add to that the threat on the XDA community regarding the Dump files and chances of the Bootloader getting locked, helps me understand the OP's sentiments/rants.. Let's face it, this is not the Developer's TAB like what we all hoped it would be when we bought it. Without the support from Motorola and the XDA community, this product we're defending would actually just end up like what the OP has said on the title of this thread. So let's just get along and stop bashing the OP just because he still has a chance to change his mind. Me, I would advice the OP to just return/sell the Xoom and wait for a few the upcoming tablets before it's too late. Because if he does, he would have a much better look at the future of the Xoom. Who knows, he might even see Motorola getting crazy coming up with a 16GB version, with better pricing and unlocked bootloader! Now that would be a win/win situation for the OP and us early adopters!! My fingers are crossed..........
Perfect! There really is no more to debate on this, and just no reason to bash the OP. Nobody knows anything for sure yet. I'm in it for the long haul, but only because I intend to be an end user of custom ROMs. I WILL be disappointed with how much I spent on the Xoom if that doesn't ever happen.
I'm looking for a tablet and I see three xooms near me. One of them for $400 new, another $350 used and one for $300 used. Need advice.
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I'm looking for a tablet and I see three xooms near me. One of them for $400 new, another $350 used and one for $300 used. Need advice.
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Maybe if you prvide your location you will get better help? There was a special in Sydney yesterday for brand new Xoom for 298 AUD. If you are happy to wait I am sure by January next year all the tablets will come down in price.
K.
I was looking at the prime but i really don't want to spend $500. But I want ICS and there is no sure fire proof it will officially come to the xoom.
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I was looking at the prime but i really don't want to spend $500. But I want ICS and there is no sure fire proof it will officially come to the xoom.
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JBQ stated that it is coming to the Xoom soon. Motorola stated that it's coming to the Xoom, but no time frame given.
It's coming; we just don't know when. I estimate Late Jan - Mid February.
The latest AOSP release included files for the Xoom, just give it a week and it will be in here...
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I got dude that wanted $400 to drop it to $350 but I would rather pay $300 tops.
Keep an Eye on Woot. I picked up 2 wifi only's for $320 a pop in november.
Yeah they trying to get $400 when it's $369 on newegg
Get a Quad Core Transformer instead (I am not Hating, I have a 32GB WiFi Xoom), but GED has held this device back. Still can't Write or Delete the SD Card without a PC, while other Android Tablets have been doing this since the day they came out. Google is Super Slow in allowing us GED Xoom owners Full SD Card Access.
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Get a Quad Core Transformer instead (I am not Hating, I have a 32GB WiFi Xoom), but GED has held this device back. Still can't Write or Delete the SD Card without a PC, while other Android Tablets have been doing this since the day they came out. Google is Super Slow in allowing us GED Xoom owners Full SD Card Access.
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*sighs* You can write to your SD card if you were willing to root. I personally bought my Xoom over a transformer, or galaxy tab or what have you because its a GED device. You know why? because I do not want bloat. I dont want touchwiz, I dont want sense, I dont want motoblur or any other modified interface. I wanted pure undiluted android with the lovely added bonus of being virtually unbrickable all while being unlocked.
I did not buy a xoom to remain at stock, I bought it to overclock it, to tweak it, To make the device MY device. As im sure a lot of other xoom owners did. This will probably sound harsh but it's not my intention; If you wanted to remain at stock, which seems obvious from your previous posts in another thread complaining about the very same issue your complaining about here, Then maybe you should have done your research and checked out competing tablets before making your purchase. I find i'm pretty happy with all my purchases because I do huge amounts of research to find the product that is right for me.
The xoom is an amazing device, We have a pretty amazing community here that will help you if need be, Thou I find most everything answered already. The developers we have are great. Team Tiamat for example make a flawless rom/kernel from my experience, limited as it may be. Its still great. I currently have mine with the moray 2.2.2 rom and odachi OC kernel and its extremely smooth, wonderful batterylife.. And relatively amazing. Being a GED device means its basically a developing template. You bought a GED device, because its a GED device and you're not taking advantage of the fact its a GED device. It takes longer to read the instructions on how to root then it does to actually do it. You will be MUCH happier with your purchase if you take advantage of what its capable of. Root it, rom it, kernel it. Do your research before trying, But if you do You will have a more plesant experience. You will be much more happier with your device. I personally used this thread and I can vouch for its accuracy http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249798 if you don't like it. Then simply return it to stock and you're done. There are more benefits to rooting a device Then their are downsides from what I've read.
In response to OP's question. I paid the current price on newegg (370$) and even at that price I am very happy with my purchase. If I could find one for 300-350$ I would buy it in a heartbeat for my parents. Now keep in mind the 370$ price tag is for a RE CERTIFIED xoom, Mine came with stock everything in the box. No problems what so ever. Soo if you were going to pay 350 for a used one, Splurge for the extra 20 to get a re certified product. Its very much worth that price in my honest opinion.
You see, I bought the WiFi Xoom the day it came out because of PROMISES & HYPE. You are partially right. I should have waited for the Transformer (at least I would have a working SD Card Write/Delete from within). I just feel I SHOULD NOT have to go thru the Trouble of Rooting to get what the device should do out of the BOX. That's why GED "WAS" supposed to be so special. To me it isn't.
I feel we were duped and I personally will NEVER get another GED device EVER again. Actually GED is holding back the US Xoom's. A very talented Dev has said as much. If you have ever been on the Moto Community Forums, Gmanapps (who created SDCARDXD) has said as much, and he is VERY Talented and Smart (not to say you are not, I just respect what he has to say on the issue at hand). To me these EXPENSIVE Devices should work out-of-the-box as my Samsung Galaxy Player 5.0 does. I got tired of keeping up with Myn's Rom then Synergy. I jut want it to work Stock. There is NOTHING wrong with that, especially after the money we 1st Day Adopters paid for it.
Just my 2 Cents from a VERY Frustrated Consumer. When you Root, things go wrong and something ALWAYS gets FUBAR'd (like No 4G or Camera Not Working). No Thanks.
Ohhh, I can understand why you're so frustrated now. I learnt to always take promises and hypes with a grain of salt. Just because people will say whatever it takes to sale their product. I just about always wait until something has all its bugs and stuff worked out before buying it. So I can very much understand your point now.
I personally will buy a GED device again, but my reasoning is because its unlocked. I very much enjoy hacking things to do more then they should, It extends the life of a product for me. Means I have to replace it less often. Which is a huge plus for me because I can be kinda cheap haha. I originally started my "mobile" carrier, so to speak, with iOS, its the openness of android that attracted me so much. I hate not having control of my devices. So rooting for me, was part of the appeal. No disrespect taken Because I can understand your frustration. The devs on here know alot more then i do haha. Maybe it has held it back, But at the same time in my eyes it's helped because of it being unlocked, it allows for an easier time developing.
Things should work out of the box I will agree with that, they really should. People shouldn't have to create apps to allow a feature thats available on just about anything that includes an SD card. Sometimes things don't thou, and I guess it would be googles fault for it not doing so since updates do come through them. I guess its because the tablet is kinda like the nexus program, Devices with the pure unfiltered android experience. I guess even the flaws of that "unfiltered" experience come through as well. Personally though, I would much rather adapt and find a solution then be unhappy.
If you ever do decide to give rooting/roming (is that what you call it?) a go. Def use the guide i linked earlier for as long as its still valid. The only thing that would suck is backing up your data before the wipe that happens when you unlock.
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Just my 2 Cents from a VERY Frustrated Consumer. When you Root, things go wrong and something ALWAYS gets FUBAR'd (like No 4G or Camera Not Working). No Thanks.
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If you follow directions properly, most issues are avoided. And afaik, issues like no 4g or broken camera occur when you apply an unstable rom. Rooting simply gives you full control, that's all.
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Ohhh, I can understand why you're so frustrated now. I learnt to always take promises and hypes with a grain of salt. Just because people will say whatever it takes to sale their product. I just about always wait until something has all its bugs and stuff worked out before buying it. So I can very much understand your point now.
I personally will buy a GED device again, but my reasoning is because its unlocked. I very much enjoy hacking things to do more then they should, It extends the life of a product for me. Means I have to replace it less often. Which is a huge plus for me because I can be kinda cheap haha. I originally started my "mobile" carrier, so to speak, with iOS, its the openness of android that attracted me so much. I hate not having control of my devices. So rooting for me, was part of the appeal. No disrespect taken Because I can understand your frustration. The devs on here know alot more then i do haha. Maybe it has held it back, But at the same time in my eyes it's helped because of it being unlocked, it allows for an easier time developing.
Things should work out of the box I will agree with that, they really should. People shouldn't have to create apps to allow a feature thats available on just about anything that includes an SD card. Sometimes things don't thou, and I guess it would be googles fault for it not doing so since updates do come through them. I guess its because the tablet is kinda like the nexus program, Devices with the pure unfiltered android experience. I guess even the flaws of that "unfiltered" experience come through as well. Personally though, I would much rather adapt and find a solution then be unhappy.
If you ever do decide to give rooting/roming (is that what you call it?) a go. Def use the guide i linked earlier for as long as its still valid. The only thing that would suck is backing up your data before the wipe that happens when you unlock.
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You are a cool dude, Thanks for the help. I have Rooted before. My OG EVO had Myn's Warm 2.2 , then Synergy. So I am NOT a Noob to Rooting. I just don't feel like following the ROM to Death like before. It gets old. I guess I will just have to wait until Google gets off it's LAZY ASS and gives us ICS. HC works fine and as for me, the Playbook and Galaxy Player are all I need for now. I have no more need for tablets and what I have will suffice for a long time.
I personally thing if u find a xoom has better spec. then another 10' tablet. it has 4g, duel core, and used ranged from 300 dollar. Samsung makes good tablet but right now still not really match xoom in price range. Samung tablet plus price is like more then xoom. xoom is close or less then this tablet. Only think i would consider is the old samsung tab 7 inch. becasue:
Samsung tab 7" ( old )
1 core, 2gb + sd slot. 3g around 200-250 ( i got one on ebay 198)
Xoom
2 core 32 GB +sd slot 4G around 300-340 ( i got one on ebay. 310)
for 50-60 dollars more u get 4g and bigger screen and 1 core. Hope you understand.
its got the longest battery life among current tablets and its the only one that does dualband. I have no interest in buying a non GED device. I want to decide on my overlay and I want the first updates. Google's updates are far more featurefilled than anything Asus will offer you in their overlay, so picking a non GED product makes no sense for me. Ill get a new one either after nvidias next Gen processor comes out in a year or if Samsung makes something with that awesome flexible display concept design they made (YouTube the commercial, coolest thing I've ever seen). The tegra 2 is not yet outdated. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, though
i paid 240 for my xoom :]
got it used on craigslist
Just picked one up as well. 32gig Wifi for $300. Buyer also included dock and case. Cant complain about that. Now.. on to root
I wouldnt personally buy a xoom when the transformer prime is around the corner...
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I wouldnt personally buy a xoom when the transformer prime is around the corner...
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I bought a 4G LTE XOOM, knowing the Prime was around the corner... Mostly because I needed a tablet with its own dedicated data connection... Verizon has the best network and didn't want the Galaxy Tab or Xyboard. TP isn't coming out with mobile radios, so had to rule it out.
So here is some d-bag trying to make a profit off the hard work of the people here and on other dev sites. He is asking for $250 for the Fire.
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/ele/2845733190.html
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I am selling a Kindle Fire with Android 4.0.3 on it. It works wonderfully and is in great shape. It has only been opened to be rooted and have android installed on it. The special recovery software is installed as well incase you try to change anything in the future and it messes it up, all youll have to do is restore it, and your back to the Kindle Fire operating system. It is basically a fully functional tablet like all the others without the camera or bluetooth. Youtube, gmail, bookmarks, google, the browser, android marketplace, and all the widgets work perfectly as if it came out of the box this way. That is the reason I am selling it for over $200, because it has so much more to offer rather than the standard Kindle Fire. If your interested, you can call or text me 651-500-5554. I would be willing to walk you through how to work it all and how to recover it incase you ever have a problem. I would also be willing to trade it for a HP Touchpad.
Keywords: Kindle, Kindle Fire, Android, 4.0, Asus, Transformer, Samsung, Galaxy, Motorola, Blackberry, Nook, Nook Color, Nook Tablet, Kindle Keyboard, 3G, Wi-fi, 3.2, Honeycomb, ICS, Ice Cream Sandwich, Froyo
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If you're a dev for the Fire or you support the community, feel free to give this a-hole a call and let him know what you think!
What's so wrong about this...? Is there something I'm not getting here?
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What's so wrong about this...? Is there something I'm not getting here?
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He is:
1. Selling the kindle more than you buy it for.
2. Illegally distributing the work of our developers.
Basically, it's just wrong. I would understand selling your services, but a kindle fire running ics is NOT worth 250...
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He is:
1. Selling the kindle more than you buy it for.
2. Illegally distributing the work of our developers.
Basically, it's just wrong. I would understand selling your services, but a kindle fire running ics is NOT worth 250...
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I guess. I didn't know distributing software on a device you're selling was illegal. But I can definitely understand the not worth $250 thing.
If I were to ever sell mine I would ask more than you could buy a new one for because I put a lot of time into making it work as smooth as it does.
Nothing illegal about that it is just finding someone who is too lazy to do it themselves and making a few bucks.
There is NOTHING wrong with asking for more for a custom ROM'd device. Many people understand the shortcomings of the stock ROM, but are too hesitant to ever try a custom flash for fear of bricking it or whatever. An extra $50 for the competent efforts (which is the value added feature here) is probably a reasonable price to charge.
I wouldn't pay it because I'm comfortable with the process, but I've also invested considerable time just learning about the process myself before ever attempting a ROM flash.
He is selling his service of having put it onto the device.
Honestly, a person is allowed to ask what they want for the item they're selling. If I don't agree with the price being asked, I negotiate a price I'm comfortable with or move on. Doesn't make that person a con. As for making a buck off developers work, that's the drawback of an open source software - akin to someone selling a PC with Linux on it. Just my 2 cents. But I agree - I wouldn't pay that for the kindle fire personally when you can get one for $199 and do the work yourself.
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He is:
1. Selling the kindle more than you buy it for.
2. Illegally distributing the work of our developers.
Basically, it's just wrong. I would understand selling your services, but a kindle fire running ics is NOT worth 250...
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1. How is that wrong? If the person buying it is willing to pay $250 where is the harm?
2. Illegal????? Android is open source people can freely distribute it.
Then don't buy it......
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Exactly what I was gonna say. I charge people 40-60 bucks on Craigslist to root, and place a custom ROM on their device. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what he is doing and I would venture to say that the OP is just jealous. Lol.
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Exactly what I was gonna say. I charge people 40-60 bucks on Craigslist to root, and place a custom ROM on their device. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what he is doing and I would venture to say that the OP is just jealous. Lol.
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Nah, not jealous as I could easily do what he is doing. So your ventured guess is completely wrong.
I guess perhaps I'm the only one then who has a problem with someone abusing that hard work devs put into doing these hacks and custom roms for us by charging money and misrepresenting what they are selling...like this a-hole doesn't say that video doesn't work very well, that it is an alpha build of ICS, etc.
I'm stunned how many on here "support" this type of behavior. My faith in humanity just continues to go downhill...morals...ethics...decency...who needs that ****? Oh well...
So because we don't agree with you, we are automatically siding with the person selling the tablet????
Hes not selling the software, hes selling the tablet that hes rooted, flashed, etc.. hence the higher price. Hes not doing anything illegal.
If i didnt know anything about rooting, flashing, etc.. I would look for one that was pre-flashed to save me the hassle of possibly bricking the tablet in the process, its not so black and white as you think it is.
If he was just selling the firmware and the tools to do it then he would be 100% in the wrong.
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So because we don't agree with you, we are automatically siding with the person selling the tablet????
Hes not selling the software, hes selling the tablet that hes rooted, flashed, etc.. hence the higher price. Hes not doing anything illegal.
If i didnt know anything about rooting, flashing, etc.. I would look for one that was pre-flashed to save me the hassle of possibly bricking the tablet in the process, its not so black and white as you think it is.
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Actually you are making it black and white with only an understanding that if it is not illegal then it is perfectly okay and if it is illegal then there is a problem. If anything, I'm viewing it in the shades of gray by saying that, while not illegal, it is reprehensible.
Anyway, like I said...forget I posted this. It appears I am "in the wrong" with the majority and I should never have even considered that others might also have a problem with it. Silly me...I will proceed to clean the egg off my face.
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1. How is that wrong? If the person buying it is willing to pay $250 where is the harm?
2. Illegal????? Android is open source people can freely distribute it.
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Perhaps illegal was the wrong choice of words. how about immoral. I understand that some people can not install custom roms on their own, but i do not believe that installing a rom is worth $50. That's just my two cents.
Well I don't think it's worth $50 because I can do it myself for free. And part of the fun is hacking into it and customizing it the way you want it.
However, if I knew nothing about this stuff (and lets face it, the average user doesn't) then I would say $50 is about right.
Look at it this way. He is not selling the ROM or software, he is selling his services. If he put up an ad offering to root and install a custom ROM on the KF for $50, would that be a problem?
I don't think so.
I don't see what's so wrong about it. He's doing a service for people and in no way harming the development of this device. It's no different from someone buying a car, fixing it up, and reselling it at a higher value.
This may be a valid issue if he's claiming the work to be his own which he is not.
If some people are too lazy to spend 30min rooting the KF, just let them spend the extra 50$ on it
Theres nothing wrong with the seller, but I cant say the same for the buyer tho lol
Nobody knows.... Maybe this guy has made a donation to the developers of the software he uses
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I live in Jakarta, Indonesia, and the price for new kindle fire is almost US$300 a piece, then if you want to have it rooted, install custom ROM and others, you would surely have to pay $30-$50 more. I do my own rooting and other stuff because I am comfortable with the technical stuff, other people who are not comfortable will surely be happy to pay for the service
I work for a software company that sells and supports only GPL-ed software. Our licenses to our customers start in the low 5-figures of US$ - a year. There is nothing immoral about it, and the licenses we have from upstream developers permit this business activity provided we follow the terms of the license (including providing source code on demand to our customers).
So, in my view, the ethics of the situation are a matter of respecting the licenses under which the developers make their ROMS and other software available to us, and the sticking to the terms of those licenses regarding redistribution.
Unfortunately, it appears that most developers in this area don't state their intent for redistribution, or protect themselves and their software by stating that there's a specific license. On the other hand, one sees a fair amount of software from the Android Market that does have licenses such as the GPL. That's regardless of whether the software is "payfer" or "free beer".
Lacking that, I don't see why someone like the guy reselling the modified Kindle couldn't just drop a line to the developer in question. Even without a statement from the developer, he still retains copyright for his own work.
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it seems a key in the KF HD& new KF, when you boot it ，the machine will check the key，if not match， it wont boot.
so i will wait for some guys to crack it when KF HD& NEW KF in the market in the future
it means we can't flash other rom
bournezhang said:
it seems a key in the KF HD& new KF, when you boot it ，the machine will check the key，if not match， it wont boot.
so i will wate some guys to crack it when KF HD& NEW KF in the market in the future
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Your source?
Well there hasn't been a official statement from amazon, but rumor is that there will be a boot loader is in all of the new fires. So yes, if this is true, then the kindle will go into a soft brick that can be unbricked by other means, but t will not boot if the bootliader is not correct.
I hope is isn't the case tho, I preordered the fire HD 8.9inch and wouldn't want to brick it by attempting to put a custom boot loader on my self):
I would seriously consider the consequences of buying one if you have any plans of modifying it. If Amazon's history with our current devices is any indication of what's to come, a lot of people may very well get screwed out of the deal. And if Pokey is correct, and the new KFs have the same OMAP security as the Nook tablet, you might as well give up on it because the new KFs won't have an external SD slot to boot from. You'll get stuck with one crappy, advertisement riddled, non-customizable, crippled, overpriced reader, that's as buggy (if not more) than the original.
I definitely wouldn't buy one in the hopes that it will get modified unless you have the technical know-how to get it done yourself.
That is, IMNSHO of course.
amazon is trying to copy apple. Of course they would do that
it sounds like the boot loader would have to be rewritten some how, and that in its self seems unlikely
kindle fire hd or nexus 7?
if amazon does this they are just trashing their product. i am very tempted to return my nexus 7 which has such bad build quality.
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if amazon does this they are just trashing their product. i am very tempted to return my nexus 7 which has such bad build quality.
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My Nexus build quality is great.
On topic I was mildly interested in Fire HD just for Prime content and wanting to see if a ROM was developed. No ROM, no way. Will be following the subject.
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if amazon does this they are just trashing their product. i am very tempted to return my nexus 7 which has such bad build quality.
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My build quality is great... not a single problem.
I wish people would stop expecting every product they buy to be 100% perfect.
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My build quality is great... not a single problem.
I wish people would stop expecting every product they buy to be 100% perfect.
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And even more so when they're buying a product for around $200 when all the comparable competitor's products are selling for $400+.
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My build quality is great... not a single problem.
I wish people would stop expecting every product they buy to be 100% perfect.
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If it isn't 100% perfect, then I wouldn't call it great quality myself.
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And even more so when they're buying a product for around $200 when all the comparable competitor's products are selling for $400+.
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The $200 excuse kinda came to an end when Amazon announced the Fire HD at $200. For Android enthusiasts and XDA readers it's probably not going to be that big a deal, but I believe the Kindle Fire HD will be very popular to the general public.
And it does trump a few of the Nexus 7's weak points.
Better screen with more vibrant colors.
Better wifi with 5GHz and MIMO support.
Better storage capacity at the same prices.
Better speakers.
And HDMI output.
The Nexus 7 has performance and apps on it's side, which are obviously extremely important to many of us.
I'll not replace my Nexus 7, but if the Kindle Fire HD can be rooted and Google Play installed, I just might get one.
PS... And B&N isn't done yet. They supposedly have something coming soon too. Microsoft invested $200 million with them, perhaps some kind of $200 Windows tablet? They promise a revolutionary screen and they've generally included micro SD slots so far too, hope that continues. I just hope they get away from that raised plastic bezel, so annoying with apps that use off screen swipes.
chrisbd1 said:
My Nexus build quality is great.
On topic I was mildly interested in Fire HD just for Prime content and wanting to see if a ROM was developed. No ROM, no way. Will be following the subject.
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My build quality is great... not a single problem.
I wish people would stop expecting every product they buy to be 100% perfect.
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And even more so when they're buying a product for around $200 when all the comparable competitor's products are selling for $400+.
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If it isn't 100% perfect, then I wouldn't call it great quality myself.
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The $200 excuse kinda came to an end when Amazon announced the Fire HD at $200. For Android enthusiasts and XDA readers it's probably not going to be that big a deal, but I believe the Kindle Fire HD will be very popular to the general public.
And it does trump a few of the Nexus 7's weak points.
Better screen with more vibrant colors.
Better wifi with 5GHz and MIMO support.
Better storage capacity at the same prices.
Better speakers.
And HDMI output.
The Nexus 7 has performance and apps on it's side, which are obviously extremely important to many of us.
I'll not replace my Nexus 7, but if the Kindle Fire HD can be rooted and Google Play installed, I just might get one.
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Seriously? I think we're getting WAAAAY off topic here.
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Seriously? I think we're getting WAAAAY off topic here.
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You are right. Just hard not to respond to the comments brought up.
Bezos said he doesn't care if you root
I read on Engadget after the announcement that Engadget asked Bezos about people rooting and running custom ROM's. Bezos' response was that as long as your still buying from Amazon, he doen't care. So, I guess we'll see. Mine has already made it to the UPS Distro Center in my city and it got there a little after Noon today. I should have it in the morning!!!! As a Student Prime member, I would love it if we could get rid of the ads without paying the $15.
The reason I bought the original fire is because i wanted to root it. The fact is, the stock kindle fire is crap if you're a power user.
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Confirmed, Fire 2 and Fire HD 7" have signed bootloaders.
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Confirmed, Fire 2 and Fire HD 7" have signed bootloaders.
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Has anyone tested to see if the factory cable still works?
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Has anyone tested to see if the factory cable still works?
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yes，factory cable still work.
but i don't know flash what kind of bootloader,because when i flash u-boot of kindle fire 1 ,it can't boot normally
The bootloader is one thing. Custom recovery is a completely different animal. Is the same OMAP security applied to the stock recovery?
I was thinking about buying an 8.9 inch one along with my 7" one. But, until this boot loader stuff is figured out. No way.
bournezhang said:
yes，factory cable still work.
but i don't know flash what kind of bootloader,because when i flash u-boot of kindle fire 1 ,it can't boot normally
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Probably doubtful, but does anyone have the bootloader, recovery, system images for the Fire HD 7" yet?
I don't need it, but wouldn't mind having it I do have a factory cable for my original Fire and multitude of Motorola phones...
- Amazon is constantly updating their device hdx kindle fire really make the user uncomfortable hdx kindle fire
- I'm using HDX kindle fire 7'' and my computer automatically updates the version 13.3.2.2
- I see that Amazon is trying to block every effort of people rooting with this updated version
- They fear that if the machine can hdx root kindle fire, they'll take one very large amount of money from the exploitation hdx ads on kindle fire, and I saw this caused much anger for kindle users hdx fire
- Do you feel like me???????????????
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- Amazon is constantly updating their device hdx kindle fire really make the user uncomfortable hdx kindle fire
- I'm using HDX kindle fire 7'' and my computer automatically updates the version 13.3.2.2
- I see that Amazon is trying to block every effort of people rooting with this updated version
- They fear that if the machine can hdx root kindle fire, they'll take one very large amount of money from the exploitation hdx ads on kindle fire, and I saw this caused much anger for kindle users hdx fire
- Do you feel like me???????????????
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Sold my 2 weeks old one for a -25% discount. Will wait for Nexus 8 coming out this summer to save all these hassle with this disgraceful/Chinese-like company. Playing games with advanced users is simply disgusting. They don't know how much influence these users can impose to those low end naive users they are targeting over the Internet.
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Sold my 2 weeks old one for a -25% discount. Will wait for Nexus 8 coming out this summer to save all these hassle with this disgraceful/Chinese-like company. Playing games with advanced users is simply disgusting. They don't know how much influence these users can impose to those low end naive users they are targeting over the Internet.
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Why is it bad? If they let people root their devices and install other ROMs, they won't make as much money.
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Where's the problem? It's an Amazon device, when you buy it you know what you buy, Amazon clearly declares what you can do with it. Sure, we can always try to do something more, but we can't blame Amazon if we aren't able to root or install a custom rom. There are so many tablets on the market, maybe Kindle Fire is not the right choice for you.
However I think there aren't unrootable Android devices, it's just a matter of time...
Remember HDX had been exploited and rooted, then update overrides it, then all new comers lost the opportunity. When a little bit less developers (who didn't root last time or has 'spare time'/spare unrooted device starts to look at it again, they update again. When even lesser developers starts to look at the the next update, they update again. When the next exploit is finally found, the next morning, you know what? They update again.
You see, it's a human pathetic psychology patience torturing game they are playing, not a technical one. Forget rooting this device or even roms, move on people. You lost.
Sounds like a challenge to me. I'll put my money on the XDA team.
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gbrewha said:
Sounds like a challenge to me. I'll put my money on the XDA team.
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Agreed. Sorry to be harsh, but get your panties out of a twist, fellows. Amazon is updating their devices because they're launching new services, and if they can take the opportunity to block root attempts, then they'll take it. I find it hard to believe blocking root would be a corporate priority enough to justify its own update schedule.
In this instance, Amazon just launched their Fire TV service, and the HDX has been updated accordingly:
Amazon Rolls Out Update for Kindle Fire HDX, Adds Support for Fire TV
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- I noticed that amazon has not really respect our customers by updating silently and quietly her.
- Any 1 phone maker or tablet when you want to update the device software that their customers buy, they must now inform and update the content of it.
- Customers using the money to buy the equipment rather than amazon amazon gift or loan equipment to customers should the amazon software updates without specify the content nor consulted all agree equipment updated or not this is one of not respecting its customers!!
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- I noticed that amazon has not really respect our customers by updating silently and quietly her.
- Any 1 phone maker or tablet when you want to update the device software that their customers buy, they must now inform and update the content of it.
- Customers using the money to buy the equipment rather than amazon amazon gift or loan equipment to customers should the amazon software updates without specify the content nor consulted all agree equipment updated or not this is one of not respecting its customers!!
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I think what you're saying is that installing updates without user permission is disrespectful? I agree if so. Once purchased an owner is not really an owner of a Kindle fire, simply the hands that hold an amazon controlled screen. I won't be selling mine though. It is in the closet where it will stay until it is able to be rooted again as I refuse to pass it off on someone else. Since I am the tech guru of my extended family I am advising all my friends and family not to purchase the Kindle fire HDX. I knew I was taking a chance when buying the Kindle that I would not be able to root or get play store. I gambled and lost but that's what the guru does, it's in the job description. I can now steer my friends into buying a superior product from another manufacturer.
I can understand anyone's disappointment, I'm disappointed too, but maybe it would be nice to read Amazon terms of use before buying or using a Kindle device http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=footer_cou?ie=UTF8&nodeId=508088
It's in the box, too...
foxstefano said:
I can understand anyone's disappointment, I'm disappointed too, but maybe it would be nice to read Amazon terms of use before buying or using a Kindle device http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=footer_cou?ie=UTF8&nodeId=508088
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No one here is saying they did not know it was risk to buy a device for hardware buddy. Thank you for being so helpful though. Since when are terms needed to make an observation that Amazon is actively blocking root lol. That's all the OP did. Que the guy who comes out defending Amazon lol. We are sorry for making a posts about the device we bought.
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No one here is saying they did not know it was risk to buy a device for hardware buddy. Thank you for being so helpful though. Since when are terms needed to make an observation that Amazon is actively blocking root lol. That's all the OP did. Que the guy who comes out defending Amazon lol. We are sorry for making a posts about the device we bought.
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I also have the same opinion as you, you have to make comments like I thought. I also recommend you to friends and relatives not to buy amazon kindle fire hdx anymore because too often regarded clients, I'm also looking forward to the upcoming Nexus 8 and I would never use production equipment amazon again!!
conan1600 said:
No one here is saying they did not know it was risk to buy a device for hardware buddy. Thank you for being so helpful though. Since when are terms needed to make an observation that Amazon is actively blocking root lol. That's all the OP did. Que the guy who comes out defending Amazon lol. We are sorry for making a posts about the device we bought.
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Amazon is an interesting beast because they've so divided all their different teams that they can on the one hand be the best friend of developers (their cloud computer system) and on the other hand follow Apple right into a closed-device ecosystem. This does no seem scizophrenic to me or likely to them because their cloud services are built for developers and their devices are built for consumers.
I share in the disappointment about how difficult it is to root this device, but our community has already hashed these arguments out concerning how closed Apple's systems are and how "unfriendly" to the power user. That's why we have one of my favorite jokes: "John has enough money to buy an iPhone, but he buys an Android because he's not an asshole."
It's enough to take note that Amazon is taking Android captive in their Fire version and following in Apple's footsteps, which anyone versed in the Kindle's history and Bezo's attitude towards the device might expect. Next time, most of us will buy a real Android tablet and keep our playground, and due to the shoddy state of the Amazon Appstore and their other services, and our input, consumers may well follow. You'll know it for sure if they ever boot the Netflix app from their Appstore; that would be one straw too far for most "normal" users but might appear strategically sound to an Amazon exec as they push their Fire TV service.
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Remember HDX had been exploited and rooted, then update overrides it, then all new comers lost the opportunity. When a little bit less developers (who didn't root last time or has 'spare time'/spare unrooted device starts to look at it again, they update again. When even lesser developers starts to look at the the next update, they update again. When the next exploit is finally found, the next morning, you know what? They update again.
You see, it's a human pathetic psychology patience torturing game they are playing, not a technical one. Forget rooting this device or even roms, move on people. You lost.
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Why are you a member here again?
It was cheap for what it is, and my amazon instant looks great on it. I'd never buy a device these days assuming it will get root or the boot loader cracked.
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murso74 said:
It was cheap for what it is, and my amazon instant looks great on it. I'd never buy a device these days assuming it will get root or the boot loader cracked.
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Surely you jest? 99.95% of all tablets released in 2014 have either a bootloader bypass and root or no bootloader lock and root or an e fuse warranty bypass to the bootloader such as Knox and root. While I agree with your statement in part, you say it as if we shouldnt expect it because it isnt being done lol. It was even done on this tablets weeks after coming out. Most likely several months down the road someone will have broke the HDX again as well and this dry spell will be a distant memory. Of course I expect a tablet to be rooted, why wouldnt I? But I am also an adult who knows sometimes things don't come to fruition. I bought mine at release for $400.00 so that isn't really cheap imho but different strokes for different folks.
I'd assume they would allow us to root for the opportunity to turn the device into full android thereby eliminating the Nexus tablet.
foxstefano said:
I can understand anyone's disappointment, I'm disappointed too, but maybe it would be nice to read Amazon terms of use before buying or using a Kindle device http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=footer_cou?ie=UTF8&nodeId=508088
It's in the box, too...
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Yeah, I have been able to maintain root & block each update attempt while maintaining both AMZ & Google services, but the unannounced updates definitely bug the hell out of me. You should have a choice in updates, particularly since updates often times come with bugs or other unforeseen consequences. Since I actually do use the HDX for some business, the last thing I want to find is that I lost some stock feature because they wanted to add flash cards & break root.
At any rate, the real reason I am moving on from the HDX is because I only use it as I am (was) a big consumer of Amazon services. Only now they have raised the rate of Prime membership once again. There are too many other options for shopping for physical goods, as well as media, to justify paying another increase in membership. Once my Prime member ship is expired, I will not be renewing this time & thus no longer have any need for anything Amazon.
I think eventually they will learn, just like B&N, that it doesn't earn them anything more & if anything just puts more people off. Fire TV will flop as the HDX is flopping & they will discover that they can sell more units & still retain their base by opening up to more competition. But that's not going to happen until Bezos is being advised again by the types that started the company & have moved on to their own start ups. Nope, the old guard mentality just won't work any more & while it may maintain the status quo a while longer, in the end it will cost you way more than anything you managed to cling to.
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Yeah, I have been able to maintain root & block each update attempt while maintaining both AMZ & Google services, but the unannounced updates definitely bug the hell out of me. You should have a choice in updates, particularly since updates often times come with bugs or other unforeseen consequences. Since I actually do use the HDX for some business, the last thing I want to find is that I lost some stock feature because they wanted to add flash cards & break root.
At any rate, the real reason I am moving on from the HDX is because I only use it as I am (was) a big consumer of Amazon services. Only now they have raised the rate of Prime membership once again. There are too many other options for shopping for physical goods, as well as media, to justify paying another increase in membership. Once my Prime member ship is expired, I will not be renewing this time & thus no longer have any need for anything Amazon.
I think eventually they will learn, just like B&N, that it doesn't earn them anything more & if anything just puts more people off. Fire TV will flop as the HDX is flopping & they will discover that they can sell more units & still retain their base by opening up to more competition. But that's not going to happen until Bezos is being advised again by the types that started the company & have moved on to their own start ups. Nope, the old guard mentality just won't work any more & while it may maintain the status quo a while longer, in the end it will cost you way more than anything you managed to cling to.
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GSLEON3, I appreciate your working on the HDX root and understand your moving on from the project. This is all reasonable. I have free access to the HDX and Prime because of my work, and that won't change, so I have somewhat illegitimately incentivized patience here.
Concerning Prime membership, I thought you might be interested in this article, though I did NOT confirm that as of today the instructions are still valid. They may have expired.
Still, getting to pay the old price doesn't negate our annoyance at their recent policies.
GSLEON3 said:
Yeah, I have been able to maintain root & block each update attempt while maintaining both AMZ & Google services, but the unannounced updates definitely bug the hell out of me. You should have a choice in updates, particularly since updates often times come with bugs or other unforeseen consequences. Since I actually do use the HDX for some business, the last thing I want to find is that I lost some stock feature because they wanted to add flash cards & break root.
At any rate, the real reason I am moving on from the HDX is because I only use it as I am (was) a big consumer of Amazon services. Only now they have raised the rate of Prime membership once again. There are too many other options for shopping for physical goods, as well as media, to justify paying another increase in membership. Once my Prime member ship is expired, I will not be renewing this time & thus no longer have any need for anything Amazon.
I think eventually they will learn, just like B&N, that it doesn't earn them anything more & if anything just puts more people off. Fire TV will flop as the HDX is flopping & they will discover that they can sell more units & still retain their base by opening up to more competition. But that's not going to happen until Bezos is being advised again by the types that started the company & have moved on to their own start ups. Nope, the old guard mentality just won't work any more & while it may maintain the status quo a while longer, in the end it will cost you way more than anything you managed to cling to.
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I hope that the developers work together to root and can also unlock the bootloader!