Whew! Been doing lots of reading before trying to root my Verizon Note 3 but still have a few questions that I am hoping them members here can help answer.
I have the Verizon Note 3 with the newest OTA update, running MJE
From all of the reading I have done there are currently only TWO methods of rooting?
The Kingo Method and the Vegas method using Odin.
Now to my questions.
When I got the Note 3 at launch it suffered from terrible in-call audio quality. This was fixed with the MJE update. If I root, will I loose this fix and the phone suffer from the terrible audio quality again?
The Vegas/Odin method wipes the phone and installs the MJ7 version, correct? If so, can the MJE update be applied without loosing root?
I am not terribly concerned about having to reinstall stuff I am just not sure which is the best method.
After rooting, google play, all my purchased apps, ect. will still work normally, correct?
Thanks!
At this time, there isn't a way to go back to the full MJ7 release via Odin once MJE has been installed (whether or not RDLV is involved). So, your concern about MJ7 is moot as you currently have MJE.
My understanding is that RDLV on MJ7 and MJE trips the Knox Warranty flag, & CF Autoroot is not supported on the Verizon N3 variant (SM-N900V) - somebody correct me if that is wrong. (BTW the tripping of the warranty flag has no effect on any functionality). So if that is of concern to you, you can use either Kingo or vroot for rooting.
The only functionality lost as a result of "light rooting" might be Knox container services.
good luck.
Thanks for the quick reply. So vroot or kingo would be the only options. I am mainly looking to root for the ability to remove bloatware with programs such as titanium. So as I understand it, using a root app such as these will have no impact on how I use my current apps now, playstore, ect. And will retain the MJE update?
Should I choose to root this way and want to uproot, what would be the task?
bftb0 said:
At this time, there isn't a way to go back to the full MJ7 release via Odin once MJE has been installed (whether or not RDLV is involved). So, your concern about MJ7 is moot as you currently have MJE.
My understanding is that RDLV on MJ7 and MJE trips the Knox Warranty flag, & CF Autoroot is not supported on the Verizon N3 variant (SM-N900V) - somebody correct me if that is wrong. (BTW the tripping of the warranty flag has no effect on any functionality). So if that is of concern to you, you can use either Kingo or vroot for rooting.
The only functionality lost as a result of "light rooting" might be Knox container services.
good luck.
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ashenfang said:
Thanks for the quick reply. So vroot or kingo would be the only options. I am mainly looking to root for the ability to remove bloatware with programs such as titanium. So as I understand it, using a root app such as these will have no impact on how I use my current apps now, playstore, ect. And will retain the MJE update?
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Yes.
But note also that in 4.3+ there is a reduced incentive to root to "remove bloatware" - preinstalled (system) apps may be disabled directly from the Applications Manager in the stock ROM. (This will be true for foreground apps like Amazon, NFL, etc, but not true for background services such as the horror which is named "Knox")
ashenfang said:
Should I choose to root this way and want to uproot, what would be the task?
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You would perform a flash via Odin of the full stock ROM which corresponds to your current release (e.g. MJE). (This is a full factory reset which destroys all user data, BTW)
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Ah Ok. So Odin can be used to flash an updated MJE stock ROM but can't be used to root an already updated MJE. Man that's confusing.
I do know that SOME applications can be disabled through the manager but there are still some where this option is not available. Rooting also gives the ability to run apps that block ads, which I like.
bftb0 said:
Yes.
But note also that in 4.3+ there is a reduced incentive to root to "remove bloatware" - preinstalled (system) apps may be disabled directly from the Applications Manager in the stock ROM. (This will be true for foreground apps like Amazon, NFL, etc, but not true for background services such as the horror which is named "Knox")
You would perform a flash via Odin of the full stock ROM which corresponds to your current release (e.g. MJE). (This is a full factory reset which destroys all user data, BTW)
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ashenfang said:
Ah Ok. So Odin can be used to flash an updated MJE stock ROM but can't be used to root an already updated MJE. Man that's confusing.
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Well, remember that the N3 doesn't implicitly "trust" Odin (or Heimdall), so (with the N3) Odin is limited to flashing stuff which meets the approval (signature verification) of the early-boot gearing which is already installed on the phone. This is how Samsung locks down everything and also enforces anti-rollback measures.
If you believe Samsung at their word, the anti-rollback mechanism was introduced because of Root de la Vega.
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Ok, so basically.....
If I root my phone or were to somehow flash it with a "bad" ROM and had issues that I couldn't fix then..... Odin can be used to flash the Note 3 using a original or "verified verizon ROM" to get it back to stock?
Out of curiosity, should that happen, where does one obtain the "verified MJE ROM" to use with Odin to do the flash?
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Well, remember that the N3 doesn't implicitly "trust" Odin (or Heimdall), so (with the N3) Odin is limited to flashing stuff which meets the approval (signature verification) of the early-boot gearing which is already installed on the phone. This is how Samsung locks down everything and also enforces anti-rollback measures.
If you believe Samsung at their word, the anti-rollback mechanism
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Situation:
I'm on Verizon with a Note 3 running 4.4.2. The methods shown for rooting almost always make the assumption that people want to run a custom ROM. I do not. The Safestrap developer bailed on the project, and nobody knows if it can be used in the future anyway.
Goals:
1. This is a business phone, not something that I want to continuously frog around with. I just want to be able to record telephone conversations when using my Bluetooth headset exactly the same as when I'm not, maybe a decent backup, and basically get my Verizon Note 3 and Android's functionality up to the level of where Windows Mobile has been since 2009. From what I understand, to do that may require the Xposed Framework.
2. Be able to give root back and have everything back like it was if necessary.
3. Be able to take OTA updates. I don't care if I need to uninstall some apps, give root back, accept the OTA update, take root back, and reinstall the apps. OTA updates don't happen often anyway.
4. Not lose the phone warranty in the process if possible. It seems one of the required apps for the root process is SuperSU. One of the options is to disable KNOX. Other than everyone doing it, and being recommended for vague reasons, why would I want to do that? Can you re-enable it later?
Thanks!
Towel root should do what you want. I currently don't know of anyone that used towel root or kingo that tripped Knox. Since you're on NC4 probably kingo isn't an option so it's towel root.
thegamerdarkseid said:
Towel root should do what you want. I currently don't know of anyone that used towel root or kingo that tripped Knox. Since you're on NC4 probably kingo isn't an option so it's towel root.
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So Towel root and what? I'm guessing SuperSU without having it disable KNOX...or?
IT_Architect said:
So Towel root and what? I'm guessing SuperSU without having it disable KNOX...or?
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You have to use SuperSu for root privileges.
IT_Architect said:
So Towel root and what? I'm guessing SuperSU without having it disable KNOX...or?
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Towel Root is What you use to gain ROOT. Towel Root is basically a Program/Software that you will use to ROOT your Note 3. I used Kingo so I don't know much about Kingo but its probably not much different than Kingo, but based on what the other person said you need to use Towel Root. One thing you will want to do AFTER you go through the ROOT process is, Look in your app drawer & see if SuperSU is installed, if it is, you are Rooted, if it is Not, you are Not. I would also Download Root Checker from the Play Store to Verify you have ROOT.
SuperSU or Superuser is an app that gets installed in your phone when you Root it, that Manages what other apps you Grant/Deny Root permission. It does Not ROOT your phone. You do not need to download it from the Play Store. It is only in the Play Store to give you Updates, Its not meant to be as an initial download. Hope this Helps Bud. Happy Rooting! :laugh:
jasonsc1 said:
Towel Root is What you use to gain ROOTSuperSU or Superuser is an app gets installed in your phone when you Root it, that Manages what other apps you Grant/Deny Root permission...You do not need to download it from the Play Store. It is only in the Play Store to give you Updates
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That makes sense.
So what I'm thinking is:
1. Root
2. Make sure SuperSU is there to know I'm rooted.
Later when there is an update:
- Refuse it until there is a way to get root without triggering KNOX.
- Uninstall root apps.
- From SuperSU give root back, which should bring it back to stock.
- Then allow the OTA and hopefully it will not trigger KNOX
I'm guessing it would be best not to install xposed framework because it makes system changes, which could cause things to go wrong during an update.
All that I need in the near term is to get my Bluetooth voice recording back.
Thanks!
IT_Architect said:
That makes sense.
So what I'm thinking is:
1. Root
2. Make sure SuperSU is there to know I'm rooted.
Later when there is an update:
- Refuse it until there is a way to get root without triggering KNOX.
- Uninstall root apps.
- From SuperSU give root back, which should bring it back to stock.
- Then allow the OTA and hopefully it will not trigger KNOX
I'm guessing it would be best not to install xposed framework because it makes system changes, which could cause things to go wrong during an update.
All that I need in the near term is to get my Bluetooth voice recording back.
Thanks!
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That sounds like a Pretty good plan. I Rooted my Note 3 a while back. I was on JB & I'm still currently JB. ACTUALLY Its been a while since I've been on XDA. When I did Root my Note 3 there was NO WAY to ROOT Kit Kat 4.4.2. I did NOT know there was a way to ROOT it now. If there is Can you post a Link. Everything I've read says theirs No Way to Root Kit Kat but its been a while since I researched it. In my case After I Rooted my Note 3 I Froze SDM the app that receives Versions OTA updates. I kept getting one wanting me to Update to Kit Kat. I did not want to Lose my Root & then be on Kit Kat & not be able to Re-Root my Note 3. XDA has a version of Kit Kat made my a couple of the Developers, Beanstown106's & Hashcode's (the guy who made safestrap) that Already has Root. I'm going to Flash their Kit Kat version once I grow the Kahunas. I also Froze Knox so it could Not trip, although it did not Trip when I Rooted my Note 3 via Kingo but I'm on a different version than you.
Also You will Not need to Uninstall the Root apps. They will have No Effect on your phone. They will just not have Root permissions. I also don't see a need to Un Root- Re Root. I would just not accept the OTA Updates. I also have Xposed Framework with several modules & it & them have No negative effects on my Note 3. Anyways Hope this Helps somewhat, Post that Kit Kat Root Link if you can. Thanks
Here is a Link to what Im going to do.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2740466
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If there is Can you post a Link. Everything I've read says theirs No Way to Root Kit Kat
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There are at least two:
1. Towelroot - Free
2. One Click Root - 2 packages to choose from: $29.95 package which includes root only and $39.95 which includes rooting + removal of bloatware + 30 days free tech support.
jasonsc1 said:
After I Rooted my Note 3 I Froze SDM the app that receives Versions OTA updates... I also Froze Knox so it could Not trip, although it did not Trip when I Rooted my Note 3
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What did you use to freeze them with, Titanium?
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Also You will Not need to Uninstall the Root apps. They will have No Effect on your phone. They will just not have Root permissions.
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However they make changes in the system area, which I was concerned might foul up the OTA or trip KNOX.
jasonsc1 said:
I also don't see a need to Un Root- Re Root. I would just not accept the OTA Updates.
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I am a little gun shy that if the OTA finds it rooted, it will trip KNOX and not do any more OTAs.
jasonsc1 said:
I also have Xposed Framework with several modules & it & them have No negative effects on my Note 3.
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That is the only other product I looked at. It looks interesting, but I don't see that it brings anything to the table that I want. I'm not a customization guy, I just need to get basic functionality out of the phone such as call recording under Bluetooth and be able to backup my entire phone and settings.
Thanks!
IT_Architect said:
There are at least two:
1. Towelroot - Free
2. One Click Root - 2 packages to choose from: $29.95 package which includes root only and $39.95 which includes rooting + removal of bloatware + 30 days free tech support.
What did you use to freeze them with, Titanium?
However they make changes in the system area, which I was concerned might foul up the OTA or trip KNOX.
I am a little gun shy that if the OTA finds it rooted, it will trip KNOX and not do any more OTAs.
That is the only other product I looked at. It looks interesting, but I don't see that it brings anything to the table that I want. I'm not a customization guy, I just need to get basic functionality out of the phone such as call recording under Bluetooth and be able to backup my entire phone and settings.
Thanks!
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Ok, I Rooted my Note 3 back in March, at that time there was No Way to Root Kit Kat. I did a lil Looking around & did find that you can Now Root Kit Kat.
No, I did not use Titanium, I do have it. I usually use Titanium just to backup my apps/data. I Froze the SDM app which is the app that Looks for/Receives OTA. So I do Not get any Updates. I don't see reason too. The only OTA that has came out since I bought my Note 3 is the Kit Kat OTA. If you Freeze that app you will have No Problems.
To my Knowledge the Only ROOT apps that can make changes to the System area is the Xposed apps/Modules. No other Root App that I know of makes any changes to the System area, unless you let it, & that can be reversed & the Apps STILL dont have to be Uninstalled. I can not think of ANY Reason to Uninstall the ROOT apps because there is Nothing about them that could cause Knox to Trip. I got NOTHING.
Yes Xposed opens a WHOLE NEW WORLD of Customization's. After having it, I could not live without it. I LOVE be able to Truly own my device. XPrivacy Guard gives me the Warm & Fuzzy that the 2 GPS tracking alarms I have on my Gixxer give me. I control what Permissions apps have, what information they can receive. I could not Live without XPosed or XPrivacy Guard,
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Ok, I Rooted my Note 3 back in March, at that time there was No Way to Root Kit Kat. I did a lil Looking around & did find that you can Now Root Kit Kat.
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I might add that 4.4.2 there is, but NOT 4.4.4 without tripping KNOX. I know the 4.4.2 settings interface is quite a bit different than JB, but whether that translates into anything useful, I don't know. I do know most docs are for JB. Thus, if there is anything in 4.4.2 worth having that you don't already have via root, now might be the time IF they are still rolling 4.4.2. You don't want to snag 4.4.4 by accident. I know that I haven't received an update request yet, and I am on 4.4.2, but the S5 gets 4.4.4. From the little reading I've done, there is little difference between 4.4.2 and 4.4.4 except KNOX has been updated, and a massive bug roll-up . (What those bugs might be, I have not researched.) Moving to KitKat, you also incur the problem of apps writing anywhere to the SD card. IMO, the biggest difference between JB and KitKat 4.4.2 and KitKat 4.4.4 is security. 4.4.4 on the Note 3 does NOT give you the new Touchwiz that the S5 gets with 4.4.4.
"At the beginning of June, Google released two new Android 4.4 KitKat updates. First was Android 4.4.3 KitKat, a massive bug fixer. A few days later, the company pushed out its Android 4.4.4 KitKat update. Both were, and still are, bug fixers aimed at squashing major Android 4.4.2 KitKat problems and they continue to land for key devices as we push toward the fall. I am miffed by the omission of the new TouchWiz on the 4.4.4 update on the Note 3"
There aren't any bugs that I noticed, and until they give you something other than putting you into tighter and tighter box, you might want to wait until they come out with something that benefits you.
jasonsc1 said:
No, I did not use Titanium, I do have it. I usually use Titanium just to backup my apps/data. I Froze the SDM app which is the app that Looks for/Receives OTA. So I do Not get any Updates. I don't see reason too. The only OTA that has came out since I bought my Note 3 is the Kit Kat OTA. If you Freeze that app you will have No Problems.
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Back to my original question, what did you freeze it with, and BTW, is SDM the name of the program, or is that an abbreviation for something?
jasonsc1 said:
To my Knowledge the Only ROOT apps that can make changes to the System area is the Xposed apps/Modules. No other Root App that I know of makes any changes to the System area, unless you let it, & that can be reversed & the Apps STILL dont have to be Uninstalled. I can not think of ANY Reason to Uninstall the ROOT apps because there is Nothing about them that could cause Knox to Trip. I got NOTHING.
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That is very helpful, and clarifies things for me.
jasonsc1 said:
Yes Xposed opens a WHOLE NEW WORLD of Customization's. After having it, I could not live without it. I LOVE be able to Truly own my device. XPrivacy Guard gives me the Warm & Fuzzy that the 2 GPS tracking alarms I have on my Gixxer give me. I control what Permissions apps have, what information they can receive. I could not Live without XPosed or XPrivacy Guard,
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What is Gixxer? There is Privacy Guard, and XPrivacy. I assume you mean XPrivacy.
Thanks!
Lol, I meant to put what I used in my Last reply. I used Rom Toolbox Pro. It's also a Great App. I actually prefer it more than Titanium Backup. I believe because of the UI.
Glad to Help, what lil I can
Oh Gixxer is another name that Suzuki MC riders call their GSXR. I have a 08 GSXR 1000. A lot of riders call the GSXR, a Gixxer. Lol, or something like Gixxer 8k (08 GSXR 1000) would be mine. Lol. I sometimes assume everyone is a Rider. Lol. Sorry about that.
Yes I meant X PRIVACY Not LBE Privacy Guard. I've heard Horror stories about it. I have Never had a Problem with X PRIVACY yet.
Oh, One more thing, As far as Safe strap goes. You can definitely use it on your Note 3 right now. Yes the developer stop sending updates but trust me he's around. He's on here all the time, with New stuff. He helped develop the XDA Kit Kat Rom. His name is Hashcode. Again Safe strap is the ONLY way to go if you are going to flash Roms. That or TWERP, which is Harder (more complicated) to get on Note 3 & Not as Good. Safestrap is so Good bc you always can Boot into your Stock slot, while you still have a Custom slot too, if anything goes wrong, you could still Boot to the other.
Safestrap=The Best Custom Recovery, IMO
Later Bud. I work nightshift this weekend, so it's time for me to get some sleep to be back at it, at 6pm this evening.
This are my thoughts for everyone to critique. Let me know if there are any flies in the ointment before I proceed.
Prerequisites:
1. Go into Settings/Security, and make sure Unknown sources is checked, and Verify apps is unchecked.
Root for 4.4.2:
1. Install Towelroot
2. Install Check Root from Play Store and check for root
3. Download SuperSU zip file from the link on the developer's thread, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053. This will NOT come from the Play Store or Amazon. Then unzip it on your phone. Then go to the "common" directory, and run the APK. After that you may get a prompt to update the binaries.
4. When you Run SuperSU and it asks you if you want to disable KNOX, SAY NO!!!
5. Then install Titanium backup and Freeze KNOX, so you can Thaw it later.
____com.sec.enterprise.knox.attestation
____com.sec.knox.eventsmanager
____KLMS Agent
____KNOX
____Knox Notification Manager
____KNOX Store
Unroot back to factory for 4.4.2:
1. Go into Titanium Backup and Thaw KNOX.
2. Open ES File Explorer
____a. Go to Favorites and hit the / button
____b. Click on menu / Settings / and check Enable Root Explorer
____c. Also check Mount File System
____d. Click the back button
3. Then remove SU. (The developer is working on a way to do this automatically with his full unroot function, which will make this step unnecessary)
____a. Open ES File Manager
____b. To to system / bin and find the SU folder. Do a long press and delete
____c. Click the back button and go to system / xbin directory and find the SU file and delete if any present.
____d. Click the back button and go to system / app directory and find Superuser.apk and delete it if it on your phone.
4. Reboot. Root should be gone.
5. Do a factory reset, go to Settings / Personal / Backup and reset
Summary: This should put the phone back to stock for factory warranty, or to sell, or to simply start over.
I would suggest you drop the requirement to be able to take an OTA with a customized phone. It is almost always a better idea to (i) make your backups, investigate whether you can root the new release - and if so, then (ii) restore to full stock, (iii) take the OTA, (iv) re-root and (v) have your way with things.
The reasons are several, but at least one of them is that the OTA installers tend to do a top-level, recursive chmod()/chown() in /system/{x}bin, followed up with chmod()/chown() operations on individual files in those file subtrees as needed. This has the side effect of emasculating the "su" binary privilege escalation via setuid. I wouldn't be surprised if - as a result of SElinux enforcing mode - similar sorts of troubles start occurring due to similar resets/modding of SElinux extended attributes in the same file trees (e.g. if the OTA installer starts doing recursive chcon()s).
(The above is the raison de etre for apps like "OTA rootkeeper" and so forth - they attempt to work around this OTA installer side effect)
The second reason is that OTAs sometimes bundle a bootloader update. Samsung's strict rollback enforcement policies means that you probably will not be able to undo an OTA that you regret (for any reason) without triggering Knox.
I'm still on MJE. It made me happy when I bought the phone & is still making me happy, so the fact that there are new releases available doesn't bother me one whit. It is still a fantastic phablet (& I can exploit the WiFi tether bug without Wanam and all the related framework mods).
FWIW, I reviewed the .apk/.odex files that I "froze" (using "chmod 000", not TiBu); things have changed a little bit since MJE, but:
Knox Disable: ContainerAgent, ContainerEventsRelayManager, KLMSAgent, KNOXAgent, KNOXStore, KnoxAttestationAgent
OTA Nagware Disable: LocalFOTA, SDM
Asurian Spyware Disable: VMS.apk
Probably I should also disable SHealth too. These Samsung phones are bristling with surveillance crap, and there seems to be no end to it. Probably it's even worse now with KitKat. Who knew that the Orwellian future would be developed and financed by marketing companies ... and thereafter trivially co-opted by governments?
have fun with your phone.
I was pretty much settled on not rooting, and you come along and start making sense with solid business reasons. I also view Google, Samsung, Microsoft, and the government access for what it is, criminal activity. I simply want a phone that has the capabilities of my old Windows Mobile phone, and the same levels of privacy.
If they can spy on us, than a requirement for Google and all government personnel is to have 24 x 7 video and audio surveillance on them while they are at work, and every room in their house at home, and have it stream live on YouTube..
Just safestrap it already. Even on NC4 OTA, you can safestrap and install NC2 kernel and pick from many fantastic 4.4.2 ROMs. In the future, take the hypothetical 5.0 update and then you'll never have root, lol.
Anyway, you can return to stock NC4 if needed.
OR don't. Your loss.
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Just safestrap it already. Even on NC4 OTA, you can safestrap and install NC2 kernel and pick from many fantastic 4.4.2 ROMs.
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- I don't see the necessity of a custom ROM. I simply want to be able to record calls with my Bluetooth active. This limitation serves as a reminder that a lot less effort goes into Android than we tend to believe. This is a legal requirement for many businesses. Fortunately for Android, most development and innovation is done out of necessity by phone makers such as Samsung, etc.
- I also want to be able to prevent the update to 4.4.4.
- To do the rooting and SafeStrap, I would want to be able to un-SafeStrap, un-SuperSU, re-enable KNOX, and un-root back to factory. I haven't seen that discussed anywhere. The only thing I see to be able to get back to factory is this, if it works: http://www.galaxynote3update.com/un...tock-official-firmware-4-4-2-or-4-4-3-kitkat/ and it does not address SafeStrap. There is more to this than warranty, it is getting the phone back to stock to fix problems. There are thousands of posts of people having problems after rooting and installing custom ROMs.
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In the future, take the hypothetical 5.0 update and then you'll never have root
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That's what concerns me. I understand why Samsung is doing what they are doing. IOS has been pushing Android out of the enterprise and government by support efficiencies and legislated security requirements. Samsung is the only Android they are allowed to buy. Thus, I've noticed:
- The newer it is, the more secure it is. Security in the ?NIX world is simplistic and limited. The easiest fix is to block functionality, and add KNOX as the enforcer and recorder.
- The features you gain with each new release, are less valuable than the features you lose from increased operating system security. Android is rapidly becoming as confining as the iPhone.
- Control over privacy becomes less and less with each new release.
While the progression makes sense from an operating system security standpoint, but runs counter to privacy control and functionality, the reasons why people buy Android.
To completely unroot and restore to stock. Uninstall safestrap recovery. Uninstall towelroot. Uninstall busybox. Uninstall superuser. Factory reset phone. Then flash NC4 with odin for good measure. You really dont need to install safestrap at all unless you want to do backups.
IT_Architect said:
- I don't see the necessity of a custom ROM. I simply want to be able to record calls with my Bluetooth active. This limitation serves as a reminder that a lot less effort goes into Android than we tend to believe. This is a legal requirement for many businesses. Fortunately for Android, most development and innovation is done out of necessity by phone makers such as Samsung, etc.
- I also want to be able to prevent the update to 4.4.4.
- To do the rooting and SafeStrap, I would want to be able to un-SafeStrap, un-SuperSU, re-enable KNOX, and un-root back to factory. I haven't seen that discussed anywhere. The only thing I see to be able to get back to factory is this, if it works: http://www.galaxynote3update.com/un...tock-official-firmware-4-4-2-or-4-4-3-kitkat/ and it does not address SafeStrap. There is more to this than warranty, it is getting the phone back to stock to fix problems. There are thousands of posts of people having problems after rooting and installing custom ROMs.
That's what concerns me. I understand why Samsung is doing what they are doing. IOS has been pushing Android out of the enterprise and government by support efficiencies and legislated security requirements. Samsung is the only Android they are allowed to buy. Thus, I've noticed:
- The newer it is, the more secure it is. Security in the ?NIX world is simplistic and limited. The easiest fix is to block functionality, and add KNOX as the enforcer and recorder.
- The features you gain with each new release, are less valuable than the features you lose from increased operating system security. Android is rapidly becoming as confining as the iPhone.
- Control over privacy becomes less and less with each new release.
While the progression makes sense from an operating system security standpoint, but runs counter to privacy control and functionality, the reasons why people buy Android.
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It takes 10 minutes to root. And 10 minutes to unroot. Including safe strap. Nothing will trip knox. Beans has the stock nc4 ota rooted deodexed and busy boxed. All is needed to do what you want to do. You will find Zero anything for your stock odex ota. So root safestrap flash the stock rom and add call recording via xposed.... There is no other info you need that isnt already posted in a sticky.
drewcam888 said:
To completely unroot and restore to stock. Uninstall safestrap recovery. Uninstall towelroot. Uninstall busybox. Uninstall superuser. Factory reset phone. Then flash NC4 with odin for good measure. You really don't need to install SafeStrap at all unless you want to do backups.
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- When SuperSU is installed, it disables KNOX. If I uninstall SuperSU, will it re-enable KNOX, or if I flash back to Verizion KitKat 4.4.2 NC4 N900VVRUCNC4_N900VVZWCNC4_N900VVRUCNC4_HOME.tar.md5.7z, from here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2524572 will it restore the KNOX functionality?
- What happens to the ROMs in the ROM Slots when you uninstall SafeStrap recovery? Is the space released or...?
RomsWell said:
It takes 10 minutes to root. And 10 minutes to unroot. Including safe strap. Nothing will trip knox. Beans has the stock nc4 ota rooted deodexed and busy boxed. All is needed to do what you want to do. You will find Zero anything for your stock odex ota. So root safestrap flash the stock rom and add call recording via xposed.... There is no other info you need that isnt already posted in a sticky.
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And it takes days of research to get to the 10 minutes to make sure what you read is accurate, and will work with your phone. I've read so many stickys, forum posts, blogs, and YouTube videos, that I've lost count. What I've learned is the custom ROM process is far from straightforward.
a. The SuperSU at the PlayStore is from an archeological dig. What I've read so far, I need at least 2.13 for things to work right, 2.16 is current, and 2.19 beta.
b. For the Note 3, just within KitKat 4.4.2 there is NC2, NC3, and NC4. From what I've gathered from a lot of reading and videos is that Safestrap-HLTEVZW-NC2-3.75-B04.apk is the ONLY one that works right with Verizon's NC4.
c. The whole idea of SafeStrap is to preserve the factory slot, and work from another slot. BeansTown106's rooted deodexed ROM, replaces the factory ROM.
d. BeansTown106's rooted deodexed ROM is not an NC4 kernel ROM. "The nc4 stock rom beans has posted isnt patched for the nc4 kernel. "
Thanks!
Hello,
I've was forced to create a post about that because there is almost nothing of use that can be found about that phone in the internet.
I need to know how to check the bootloader status on this device so i can safely root it, and if there are any working ROMs. I've found out that it is possible to install 9505 roms on that phone, however the touch and other crucial features do not work while using them.
Cheers, Paweł.
Thanks in advance, i appreciate Your help!
Go into download mode and if you see Knox warranty void you have new bootloader.this has nothing hover to do with safe root or not.you can still however root the device.but counter will be tripped if flashing custom recovery and kernel.
LastStandingDroid said:
Go into download mode and if you see Knox warranty void you have new bootloader.this has nothing hover to do with safe root or not.you can still however root the device.but counter will be tripped if flashing custom recovery and kernel.
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Oh thanks! :good: I will do so. But about that safe root. I wanted to use the CF Auto Root for that and it was said there that if the device has a locked bootloader it will brick if i'll try to unlock the root access.
Should i try another way to root my device or give it a try and see what happens if i'll root it using cf auto root. I know that almost none or all ways to root the device are not safe, but following some of them have higher chances of success than others that's what i meant by safe root.
Zebbro said:
Oh thanks! :good: I will do so. But about that safe root. I wanted to use the CF Auto Root for that and it was said there that if the device has a locked bootloader it will brick if i'll try to unlock the root access.
Should i try another way to root my device or give it a try and see what happens if i'll root it using cf auto root. I know that almost none or all ways to root the device are not safe, but following some of them have higher chances of success than others that's what i meant by safe root.
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All the info, rooting recoveries, roms available so far for i9515
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4/general/i9515-value-edition-roms-development-t3002535
Zebbro said:
Oh thanks! :good: I will do so. But about that safe root. I wanted to use the CF Auto Root for that and it was said there that if the device has a locked bootloader it will brick if i'll try to unlock the root access.
Should i try another way to root my device or give it a try and see what happens if i'll root it using cf auto root. I know that almost none or all ways to root the device are not safe, but following some of them have higher chances of success than others that's what i meant by safe root.
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I think you have misunderstood or misread.or users haven't understand that root is still possible. It isn't locked in any way. The bootloader still let's you flash custom kernels etc.
Rooting with cf root shouldn't and has never bricked your phone on newer recoveries. The bootloader isn't locked in the way of flashing in Odin you can still flash custom kernels and recoveries but it will trip the Knox counter.
However: tripping Knox will cause you being unable to use Knox apps from Samsung and might void your warranty.
Users have told different reports about them being tripped and got warranty and some haven't. I'm not sure if this lies in 3rd party repair centers repairing the phone even if it's tripped. I'm sure Samsung service center is against it.
I'd be 100% sure that my phone carrier would repair it no matter the status since it doesn't go trough Samsung service at first.
However to gain root you should try towelroot it's a one click apk and it won't trip Knox unless you flash a custom kernel or recovery.
While searching for a root method that wouldn't trip KNOX I ran into KINGROOT. I also read that rooting using this method for the Note 4 meant only a temporary root access, that would cease to work when the phone was rebooted.
This temporary root could work for me as I'm trying to get access to the extSDcard in 4.4.4 (Lollipop didn't work out for me, horrible battery life).
So I was wondering if anyone has tested it... Here is the link to KINGROOT thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/one-click-root-tool-android-2-x-5-0-t3107461
I have it installed but I haven't tried it yet because I don't have time atm to reinstall everything if something goes wrong.
Have you tried it?
tried it, the phone just went to reboot then kingroot apps stated that no root available yet. so in the end, i just root the phone using chainfire root method,lol.
Framaroot doesn't work either. Cf auto root is the way to go
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I have rooted with Kingroot, I've been following the SuperSuMe thread in the AT&T Note 4 General section. Kingroot works just fine if you reboot your phone after installing the apk and once the phone has rebooted then run the app to root. The root is only temporary though and WILL disappear when you reboot your phone and you will then have to rerun kingroot to root again.
Thanks for the replies
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I have rooted with Kingroot, I've been following the SuperSuMe thread in the AT&T Note 4 General section. Kingroot works just fine if you reboot your phone after installing the apk and once the phone has rebooted then run the app to root. The root is only temporary though and WILL disappear when you reboot your phone and you will then have to rerun kingroot to root again.
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Did your Knox stay 0x0? A temporary root works for me, what I'm really hoping for is to enable external SD access to my apps. I'm guessing that if you enable it when rooted it won't go away after you lose root...
henriquehfc said:
Thanks for the replies
Did your Knox stay 0x0? A temporary root works for me, what I'm really hoping for is to enable external SD access to my apps. I'm guessing that if you enable it when rooted it won't go away after you lose root...
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Yes Knox remains 0x0 because the kernel, bootloader, and recovery remain untouched. As far as the external SD access, it can be enabled, but from what I gather from the other thread, is that it will revert back if the phone reboots. The reason is due to a security check Sammy put into the boot process. So put plainly, you'd have to set it up again after rerooting.
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Yes Knox remains 0x0 because the kernel, bootloader, and recovery remain untouched. As far as the external SD access, it can be enabled, but from what I gather from the other thread, is that it will revert back if the phone reboots. The reason is due to a security check Sammy put into the boot process. So put plainly, you'd have to set it up again after rerooting.
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I guess I'll just have to try it out... Hope it works with the 910C as well as the AT&T version.
henriquehfc said:
I guess I'll just have to try it out... Hope it works with the 910C as well as the AT&T version.
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Apparently the new KingRoot is able to root the Galaxy Note 4 without tripping KNOX ...?
MarcoCzen said:
Apparently the new KingRoot is able to root the Galaxy Note 4 without tripping KNOX ...?
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Not for lollipop, root strategy unavailable. Tested for both 5.0.1 and 5.1.1.
tried but kingroot failed
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Not for lollipop, root strategy unavailable. Tested for both 5.0.1 and 5.1.1.
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That clears the air then. I have tried Kingroot v 4.5 with my sm-n910c / lollipop and to no avail.
I'm really liking the sound of a temp root. I use NFC banking and it hates root but I want a few pre-loaded apps removed. (Facebook for one) and cant without root.
BUT as I'm on 5.1.1 I guess I cant use this.
And I like to do a backup using Titanium Backup every month or so, and that also needs root. A temp root would be perfect for me.
Will kingroot be able to work on lollipop after an update or are we SOL completely?
(BTW, Note 4, 5.1.1)
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Yes Knox remains 0x0 because the kernel, bootloader, and recovery remain untouched. As far as the external SD access, it can be enabled, but from what I gather from the other thread, is that it will revert back if the phone reboots. The reason is due to a security check Sammy put into the boot process. So put plainly, you'd have to set it up again after rerooting.
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Hi what was your android version?? And banking apps run with no problem??