First short teardown... unfortunately in German. It seems that the battery can be replaced very easily.
I'm not allowed to post links. Google for areamobile teardown moto g
Three pictures are attached.
Not enough to be removable every day really but good if the battery starts to deteriorate
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is it just me or does that look like the shape of a micro-sd, the metal thing with the blue dot on it.
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You're right... Motorola has confirmed, that they use an eMMC SD card
Here's the whole article:
http://www.areamobile.de/b/2267-moto-g-teardown-und-die-suche-nach-dem-speicher-update
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You're right... Motorola has confirmed, that they use an eMMC SD card
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What does that mean in fool language? Could we upgrade this memory card and get more storage ? I saw that this metal plate is removable and we have access to this memory card.
Don't think, a person with normal soldering equipment will be able to change this without ruining the phone.
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What does that mean in fool language? Could we upgrade this memory card and get more storage ? I saw that this metal plate is removable and we have access to this memory card.
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so that's why we don't have external sd card...
i suppose you can't really replace it.
Motorola being a Google company this is a bit of a contradictory move.
Google haven't allowed SD cards in their Nexus devices for a while now because of worries related to failures, slower read and write etc, but here they are using an SD card as the main memory of one of their devices?
Just start building nexus devices with SD card slots again Google and stop this ridiculous apple like behavior.
I wonder if there's any phone with this kind of memory setup. I mean eMMC instead of regular nand? Is it a regular speed / high speed eMMC?
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I don't think this matters that much. Found an interesting article here, don't miss page 2 of this document:
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1279018
Thanks good work
shure2 said:
Motorola being a Google company this is a bit of a contradictory move.
Google haven't allowed SD cards in their Nexus devices for a while now because of worries related to failures, slower read and write etc, but here they are using an SD card as the main memory of one of their devices?
Just start building nexus devices with SD card slots again Google and stop this ridiculous apple like behavior.
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Google is a smart company that always find nice PR justifications for what they want to do. The truth is that they won't allow SD cards because they want you use their cloud and / or pay for the extra storage.
Where is the vibration motor? Because I want to replace that thing! It rattles.
LudicrousPeed said:
Where is the vibration motor? Because I want to replace that thing! It rattles.
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Dude totally off topic but your avatar! SKI! Played that game so much as a kid!!!!!! Freaking hate that monster!!!
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Where is the vibration motor?
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I suppose it is the component right of the camera that you can see on the picture linked in this post.
Whilst you say it seems the battery can be replaced easily.
Where would one find a replacement battery online?? For future knowledge.
Quick google search yields no replacement battery's.
King p1n said:
Whilst you say it seems the battery can be replaced easily.
Where would one find a replacement battery online?? For future knowledge.
Quick google search yields no replacement battery's.
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When the phone is old enough to require aftermarket batteries, don't worry, the Chinese will have them ready.
ares93 said:
When the phone is old enough to require aftermarket batteries, don't worry, the Chinese will have them ready.
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Wouldnt really want a Chineese one lol
Rather have the authentic one:good:, but It'd be nice to have an option I guess.
But anyway I located one on ebay UK not too long after I posted, a Genuine one around £20.
Nice to see theres at least one around, hopefully more will be available a year down the line.
Wont be needed for now but just nice to see whats out there
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The Verizon XOOM LTE upgrade will not be hitting before July, when it is currently scheduled. This date, as loose as it is, had the specific caveat that it is very possibly subject to further delay.
For obvious reasons, I won't name the source, but I will state that they are within Verizon, and are in a position to have accurate information.
Its not coming. Just like the sd card fix. I've already given up. Lesson learned: never buy from Motorola.
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timrock said:
Its not coming. Just like the sd card fix. I've already given up. Lesson learned: never buy from Motorola.
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I believe it is coming my friend.... when? Prolly not soon but if never I believe VZW and Moto will be slammed with lawsuits from us sue happy Americans.
The SD card issue is joke already. There is NO REASON as to why they cany have it working for us.
Sadly, those of us who gave Motorola one last try (on the Xoom, after we were all burned with locked boot loaders on the Droid X and subsequent phones) have been shown, once again, to not trust Motorola.
Yeah, some of the things that come with the Galaxy Tab 10.1 are limited/annoying, but Samsung is proving to be a monster of a manufacturer/designer. Thinner than iPad2? Yes please. OPTIONAL Tablet Touch Wiz UI? Doesn't bother me, it's OPTIONAL. Sure, it was probably Google's call on that one, but that's actually a good thing. Sounds like Google is headed in the right direction regarding Android skins.
Anyway, my Xoom is fine for me for now - and it was great as a first-adopter product. But NEVER again will I buy Motorola. EVER. This was the nail in the coffin. But I got my Honeycomb first, which was worth one last chance on Motorola.
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dubie76 said:
The SD card issue is joke already. There is NO REASON as to why they cany have it working for us.
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As an Android developer who has to deal daily with multiple APIs across android revisions to store files on the sdcard, I pretty much want to punch you right now.
The sdcard situation is a huge mess. I'd rather have a final decent API, not another half-assed hack.
It's not "no reason", bub.
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As an Android developer who has to deal daily with multiple APIs across android revisions to store files on the sdcard, I pretty much want to punch you right now.
The sdcard situation is a huge mess. I'd rather have a final decent API, not another half-assed hack.
It's not "no reason", bub.
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There is ABSOLUETLY NO REASON WHY
ZanshinG1 said:
As an Android developer who has to deal daily with multiple APIs across android revisions to store files on the sdcard, I pretty much want to punch you right now.
The sdcard situation is a huge mess. I'd rather have a final decent API, not another half-assed hack.
It's not "no reason", bub.
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I can understand from a developer perspective but the damage is already done with all these other tablets releasing with working SD cards. It is too late now. Google/Motorola should have had this working before any other tablet released with a working SD card and they failed. I am also in the group where I will never buy a Motorola device again. My first and last.
keitht said:
I can understand from a developer perspective but the damage is already done with all these other tablets releasing with working SD cards. It is too late now. Google/Motorola should have had this working before any other tablet released with a working SD card and they failed. I am also in the group where I will never buy a Motorola device again. My first and last.
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Yea.....agreed..they robbed 800 from me. I will never even by so much as a Bluetooth from moto again. I know it will impact nothing. But the4g and SD card is just 2 much...lawyer said in 2 months there would be a leg to stand on if no lte and SD by then...not so much SD as it was never really advertised but lte def.
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Yea.....agreed..they robbed 800 from me. I will never even by so much as a Bluetooth from moto again. I know it will impact nothing. But the4g and SD card is just 2 much...lawyer said in 2 months there would be a leg to stand on if no lte and SD by then...not so much SD as it was never really advertised but lte def.
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Good. I bought this thing on day one... almost 4 months ago. I have never seen anything like this before. Add me to the lawsuit please.
What's the SD card issue anyway? I'm not understanding how ref's can get it to work but a multi-million dollar corporation can't.
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/4268499/petition.html
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There is ABSOLUETLY NO REASON WHY
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Thing is, you'd be the first person screaming if a majority of your apps started force closing due to the sdcard hack that'd have to be used until Google finalizes the new API.
Also, I wish people would stop making absolute statements they lack the qualifications to make.
Just saw over at Droid world that 4g and SD card slot will be done in mid July but get this you will have to box up your Xoom and send it off.I'm happy to see the updates coming but jeez sending off my xoom and waiting for god knows how long is absurd
Hey just hack ur xoom! No but seriously, not one honeycomb tablet has a functioning sd card slot. Google did not have support for it in honeycomb. I would settle for powering down and being able to just load my files the old fashion way, if it would just read the sd card! And 4G ain't really tha important to me. Not like i'm gonna be streaming a moving dtiving down the road any way. It will get fixed, just give it some time. The xoom rocks no matter how you look at it. And just be happy not buying one those crapple knockoffs from samsung! That thing looks like a kids toy.
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Hey just hack ur xoom! No but seriously, not one honeycomb tablet has a functioning sd card slot. Google did not have support for it in honeycomb. I would settle for powering down and being able to just load my files the old fashion way, if it would just read the sd card! And 4G ain't really tha important to me. Not like i'm gonna be streaming a moving dtiving down the road any way. It will get fixed, just give it some time. The xoom rocks no matter how you look at it. And just be happy not buying one those crapple knockoffs from samsung! That thing looks like a kids toy.
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Sorry but you are incorrect. There are several honeycomb tablets released that have working microSD card slots.
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Just saw over at Droid world that 4g and SD card slot will be done in mid July but get this you will have to box up your Xoom and send it off.I'm happy to see the updates coming but jeez sending off my xoom and waiting for god knows how long is absurd
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We've always known we were going to have to send it in...
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Thing is, you'd be the first person screaming if a majority of your apps started force closing due to the sdcard hack that'd have to be used until Google finalizes the new API.
Also, I wish people would stop making absolute statements they lack the qualifications to make.
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BUT.. here is the thing... why did the SD card need a new API in the first place? SD cards have been working since 1.X; apps to SD since 2.2. None of this functionality is new, so why the sudden inability to keep it?
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BUT.. here is the thing... why did the SD card need a new API in the first place? SD cards have been working since 1.X; apps to SD since 2.2. None of this functionality is new, so why the sudden inability to keep it?
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When Android first came out internal storage was meant for apps and data only. Things like music and movies were stored on external storage (i.e. sdcard). When an application requests access to external storage it is in reality given access to /sdcard.
Now devices, like the xoom, have much larger internal storage and so can store what historically been kept on an sdcard internally. The problem is that applications are still (correctly) requesting external storage for the storage and manipulation of large files. This access points to /sdcard still. If you look on your xoom you will see all your music, movies, dropbox, etc... are stored in the /sdcard folder.
One problem. The xoom does not have an sdcard in it.
So now, with more modern devices Android needs a way to be able to intelligently allocate access to both the internal storage as well as a sdcard. This can not be done well if both point to /sdcard and thus a solution must be made.
Does that help to explain why this was not a problem in the past but now is?
this is without a doubt, the most well written easy to understand post i have seen on this forum in regards to why the SD card feature has been delayed. This explains it well for the laymen. thank you for the thought out post.
JanetPanic said:
When Android first came out internal storage was meant for apps and data only. Things like music and movies were stored on external storage (i.e. sdcard). When an application requests access to external storage it is in reality given access to /sdcard.
Now devices, like the xoom, have much larger internal storage and so can store what historically been kept on an sdcard internally. The problem is that applications are still (correctly) requesting external storage for the storage and manipulation of large files. This access points to /sdcard still. If you look on your xoom you will see all your music, movies, dropbox, etc... are stored in the /sdcard folder.
One problem. The xoom does not have an sdcard in it.
So now, with more modern devices Android needs a way to be able to intelligently allocate access to both the internal storage as well as a sdcard. This can not be done well if both point to /sdcard and thus a solution must be made.
Does that help to explain why this was not a problem in the past but now is?
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mmsomekid said:
My biggest issue with the Fire at the moment is the lack of expandable storage space. Does anyone know how they did the internal storage? If it is simply a micro sd card inside, can we just crack it open and insert a larger card? If not, are there any other viable alternatives (excluding "cloud" storage)?
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Here's the teardown: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Amazon-Kindle-Fire-Teardown/7099/1
It uses a "Samsung KLM8G2FEJA 8 GB Flash Memory". I guess theoretically you can replace that. A better solution would be to enable USB Host mode, if the USB controller supports it, and use external storage.
The SD card is fused to the MoBo, so I don't think it can be replaced. If you manage to do it, it'd be great if you posted some instructions, I think we'd all like a 64GB Fire.
I think it's possible, but you'd have to have the skill and tools or know someone that does. You need to use a hot air gun to desolder the chip and put a new one in. You may have to do some adjusting of some configurations in the os. Maybe there's a place that we can get it done, like a place that does it full time? Anyone know?
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I think it's possible, but you'd have to have the skill and tools or know someone that does. You need to use a hot air gun to desolder the chip and put a new one in. You may have to do some adjusting of some configurations in the os. Maybe there's a place that we can get it done, like a place that does it full time? Anyone know?
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I'd be willing to pay for something like that.
As selteab said before, OTG is better solution, also great for external storage gps, bt, usb audio...
where would you go to buy bigger memory chip?
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where would you go to buy bigger memory chip?
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Probably from a store...
But realistically, this is not a likely mod that many would even every try to attempt. I can see the page full of threads with the subject line "I FRIED my Fire!"... now that would be a brick.
With the exception of the possibility of being able to enable USB Host mode and that is not even a given, if you need more storage, you bought the wrong device.
Ive been using my kindle in my car for audio and video.
Waiting for usb flash drive to work to perm mount it in my dash.
Where to begin?
I know you said you can potentially purchase the memory at stores, but I tried doing a search for flash memory options, & all I seem to come up with are SSDs & USB flash drives. How would I even begin searching for the kind of chips they used in the kindle online? Obviously the cost & risk are too great to probably attempt something like an upgrade, but that doesn't mean my curiousity doesn't get the better of me & I don't at least want to know what to look for!! Any help would be appreciated...even some suggestions on similar chips with larger capacity, as a jumping-off point for my search!
PS Any suggestions on the RAM would be awesome too! Considering the processor is already pretty nice, I'd think you'd really just have to upgrade the memory & RAM, & then get yourself a copy of whatever Android OS you wanted installed & you'd probably be set right?
PPS As previously stated, all the questions are hypothetical & for my own curiousity's sake, & obviously I don't really condone gutting your Kindle!
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I know you said you can potentially purchase the memory at stores, but I tried doing a search for flash memory options, & all I seem to come up with are SSDs & USB flash drives. How would I even begin searching for the kind of chips they used in the kindle online? Obviously the cost & risk are too great to probably attempt something like an upgrade, but that doesn't mean my curiousity doesn't get the better of me & I don't at least want to know what to look for!! Any help would be appreciated...even some suggestions on similar chips with larger capacity, as a jumping-off point for my search!
PS Any suggestions on the RAM would be awesome too! Considering the processor is already pretty nice, I'd think you'd really just have to upgrade the memory & RAM, & then get yourself a copy of whatever Android OS you wanted installed & you'd probably be set right?
PPS As previously stated, all the questions are hypothetical & for my own curiousity's sake, & obviously I don't really condone gutting your Kindle!
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The Fire uses an SD card that is soldered to the motherboard.
And as for the second part, it's not like a pc where you can just upgrade certain components as they are usually oem and not very common to get a hold of. If it was that easy, more people would be trying to do it
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The Fire uses an SD card that is soldered to the motherboard.
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there is no sdcard in the kf:
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Amazon-Kindle-Fire-Teardown/7099/1
Oops, didn't mean to say SD.
Its can still be mod
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there is no sdcard in the kf:
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Amazon-Kindle-Fire-Teardown/7099/1
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It looks like it will be possible to connect leads from the opposite side of this chip with another to increase GB
befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
It looks like it will be possible to connect leads from the opposite side of this chip with another to increase GB
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Right. You think the threads about Bricked Kindle Fire is bad, wait until people try doing that. Then there will be I Fried my Kindle Fire threads.
If there was going to be an easy way to increase memory on this device, it would have been done already. Same for connecting a USB Thunb drive.
With a new device around the corner, not sure there is going to be much work on trying to do it now.
I too have been looking at the teardowns to figurebout if its possible to increase storage.
getting a 16gb flash chip, desoldering the old one, and reconfiguring the partitions would be the way. but how to reconfigure the new chip would be my question. desoldering and resoldering a bigger flash drive isn't impossible
trying to figure out how to solder in a sdcard and symlinking it as the sdcard is also an idea, but again, how I don't know
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I was tooling around Craigslist today looking for a good deal on a tablet, when I found this post. The first thing I noticed was the price, so I had to check it out.
The guy is claiming to have added more internal memory into the Nexus, making the memory a grand total of 80 gigs....
I am a bit puzzled by this, since I have read nothing about anything close to this kind of modification. Is this legit or is the dbag trolling for money?
Tony
http://columbus.craigslist.org/sys/3286409350.html
Troll. Lol not possible and if it was it'd be all over the inter webs by now
Bet its just USB otg and a 64 gig card
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Bet its just USB otg and a 64 gig card
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The guy is claiming to have added more internal memory into the Nexus, making the memory a grand total of 80 gigs.
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Is possible, there are few projects started to add a MicroSD card to N7,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1866988
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/30797-op...in-micro-sd-card-reader-to-nexus-7-build-log/
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Is possible, there are few projects started to add a MicroSD card to N7,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1866988
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/30797-op...in-micro-sd-card-reader-to-nexus-7-build-log/
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If this is true, where is he on the forums? Both of those projects are still in the workings and this guy is SELLING all of his supposed hard work. I find it hard to believe...
Tone_Capone said:
If this is true, where is he on the forums?
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You asked if is possible to have 80GB on a N7 tablet, not where is the guy hiding.
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You asked if is possible to have 80GB on a N7 tablet, not where is the guy hiding.
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True story, I just fond it hard to believe. May have to contact him and have him show proof.
Doubt its real. This pics are from the internet...
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It says he Expanded storage space.. Not added internal storage.. I think as stated above its nothing more then otg 64 gb card. I Would say message him and ask for Pictures . tell him you want a blank piece of paper in the background of the pictures slightly under the tablet with say random numbers written on it .. 4567 or 9034 .. hehe anything. This will tell the story.
Let us all know whats really up
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It says he Expanded storage space.. Not added internal storage.. I think as stated above its nothing more then otg 64 gb card. I Would say message him and ask for Pictures . tell him you want a blank piece of paper in the background of the pictures slightly under the tablet with say random numbers written on it .. 4567 or 9034 .. hehe anything. This will tell the story.
Let us all know whats really up
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I sent an email asking for pictures with a recent newspaper or blank piece of paper with the word "banana" written on it. We shall what this guy is trying to sell, if he responds of course!
These have been on eBay too. While I don't doubt the possibility of soldering memory to the USB bus internally, I highly doubt that a seller would be doing this without it being posted somewhere, on some forum, to completion.
The eBay sells turn out to be OTG packages. Its likely this will too.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883582
I remember seeing this back when I had the HD7. Thought it was interesting. So why not buy an 8GB and rip it open and replace the mem chip>?
I know you will have to be a man with an iron heart and nerves of steel to crack it open.
But I am sure someone will! May be...
Well i don't think that the nexus uses a SD card i think it uses something called Nand chip but i am not sure
I didn't know it was truly an SD chip in there. Even class 10 SD memory isn't all that fast.
If it does actually use a micro sd card, and it's actually accessible, that would be revolutionary news! No one would need the 16GB version
I don't think so.
Try this
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...rame=N&application_id=594507&fcc_id='ZNFE960'
3rd and 5th entries.
USSENTERNCC1701E said:
I don't think so.
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=1785527
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That page is blocked btw.
I assume you're linking to the internal shots though, which of course don't seem to show any signs of a microsd card, right?
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That page is blocked btw.
I assume you're linking to the internal shots though, which of course don't seem to show any signs of a microsd card, right?
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Thanks, fixed it.
And yes, that's where I was referring. Pretty complete tear down, no SD card.
How in the world...??
what website is that?
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How in the world...??
what website is that?
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It is from fcc.gov
That link kicks a$$ thanks really interesting to just look at the files.
Wow.. the document show of the internal teardown had also means the battery replacement will be quite easy too. Good news?
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ZhenMing said:
Wow.. the document show of the internal teardown had also means the battery replacement will be quite easy too. Good news?
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Yes..it is already on Twitter..my concern was the memory..if mem card could also be just easy, we have more POWER!
Are there internal pictures of OptimusG?
Maybe PCB is similar and we have sdcard breakout
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Are there internal pictures of OptimusG?
Maybe PCB is similar and we have sdcard breakout
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https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...plication_id=633865&typ=8374&fcc_id='ZNFE970'
Some manufacturer should make a case with a micro-usb to sd-card integrated on it.
I'm quite sure the device is using nand flash memory chip, would make no sense to include an internal SD Card.
If you look at this the user manual on the FCC website, there's a section about using a memory card. It's located at page 32 if you use Acrobat and page 33 of the guide. And page 33 or 34, it says "NOTE: The LG-E960 supports memory cards up to 64 GB."
There's no slot but they say how to mount/dismount SD card...
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If you look at this the user manual on the FCC website, there's a section about using a memory card. It's located at page 32 if you use Acrobat and page 33 of the guide. And page 33 or 34, it says "NOTE: The LG-E960 supports memory cards up to 64 GB."
There's no slot but they say how to mount/dismount SD card...
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It's also missing pictures on those pages, so can't really tell if the manual is just not in line with the actual device.
Could be just an early adaptation from the Optimus G user guide.
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My god that is the worst put together phone in the world.
I was hoping the Nexus 4 internals was just pre production but it's really shipping like that?
If you take an iPhone 4 apart it is like a work of art and I don't even like them.
Venekor said:
My god that is the worst put together phone in the world.
I was hoping the Nexus 4 internals was just pre production but it's really shipping like that?
If you take an iPhone 4 apart it is like a work of art and I don't even like them.
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Art is meant to be seen
http://www.xda-developers.com/android-pay-no-longer-working-with-systemless-root/
It was good while it lasted...............something tells me though "is android pay working yet" will still come up in every custom ROM thread. LOL
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http://www.xda-developers.com/android-pay-no-longer-working-with-systemless-root/
It was good while it lasted...............something tells me though "is android pay working yet" will still come up in every custom ROM thread. LOL
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It is well known that this was not gonna last. Even roms devs are starting to tell people not to ask about it as the rom is rooted and they will not go out of their way to fix something like that. Most of the time people dont even really use it.
PErfect example is that all mobile payments are blocked where I live due to security reasons.
It would probably be a good idea for someone to check if this only impacts the binary trainwreck, or if it impacts ALL root... i.e., http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/root-t3231211
While I won't say that our safe open source approach can't be detected, I can say with authority that the binary is doing a heap of things that GREATLY weaken the security and cause very... dramatic... alteration to the rootfs.
If somebody were to identify how they are determining that the device is untrustworthy, I would be happy to attempt workaround with that information. However note that it isn't particularly high priority since I don't *use* android pay. Reasons I don't use it;
1) it isn't available in my country,
2) it doesn't provide a benefit since it is easier to pull my credit card (which has an nfc chip) out of my wallet than to pull this whale of a phone out of my pocket,
3) I really don't want to add an additional tracker for this information.
4) People who wave their phone around the payment terminal really look like douchebags.
If I'm going to use AP , I just boot into a non rooted ROM via multirom, is not ideal but rather do that than dragging my wallet around when going for gas, groceries, etc phone is always with me anyway, just a quick tap and done
hopefully a workaround is found to make it work with root, but is not looking good so far [emoji53]
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It's not looking good because of Google runs the check. If I read things right, Google actually runs a CTS check on the device. Failing the CTS stops Android Pay from working, and the variant of superuser used isn't likely to make any difference. The device will still fail.
There's one guy in that discussion thread ranting that this is somehow a bait-and-switch on Google's part, when it really is just Google enforcing its Terms and Conditions.
sgloki77 said:
If I'm going to use AP , I just boot into a non rooted ROM via multirom, is not ideal but rather do that than dragging my wallet around when going for gas, groceries, etc phone is always with me anyway, just a quick tap and done
hopefully a workaround is found to make it work with root, but is not looking good so far [emoji53]
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yea because dragging a wallet around or money clip is soooo difficult...a sign of the times.
sgloki77 said:
If I'm going to use AP , I just boot into a non rooted ROM via multirom, is not ideal but rather do that than dragging my wallet around when going for gas, groceries, etc phone is always with me anyway, just a quick tap and done
hopefully a workaround is found to make it work with root, but is not looking good so far [emoji53]
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Still have to carry it for your ID card. At least here you can be ticketed and fined for not carrying it. I personally hate carrying my wallet but like I stated all mobile payments are blocked here so doesnt really matter.
zelendel said:
Still have to carry it for your ID card. At least here you can be ticketed and fined for not carrying it. I personally hate carrying my wallet but like I stated all mobile payments are blocked here so doesnt really matter.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/passing-safetynet-root-t3307659
Looks like Android Pay has a workaround for the time being. It's like a cat and mouse game.
Well that's why you get a wallet case, I mean seriously? How hard is it to pull your card out and swipe.
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4) People who wave their phone around the payment terminal really look like douchebags.
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One time, I lost my debit card, but I had Google wallet installed on my Nexus 7......
I went and bought a pack of smokes and beer with my tablet.
I looked like a douchebag.
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aroy97 said:
Well that's why you get a wallet case, I mean seriously? How hard is it to pull your card out and swipe.
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Exactly. I think people will find that mobile based payments are not something that will last very long. It's a nice gimmic but has to many security holes and almost no real benefit.
as far as I know it still works?
Google will close the latest exploit soon enough. Then I'm sure someone will find another hole to get Android Pay working, which Google will then close. Repeat ad infinitum.
Currently this latest exploit is working properly, so enjoy it while you can.
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Exactly. I think people will find that mobile based payments are not something that will last very long. It's a nice gimmic but has to many security holes and almost no real benefit.
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One of my family members tried to use an iPhone for mobile pay. After 10 tries we just swiped the plastic lol. It's a nice novelty but hardly worry the headache over using a credit card
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Exactly. I think people will find that mobile based payments are not something that will last very long. It's a nice gimmic but has to many security holes and almost no real benefit.
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Ever since they moved to the chip card payment, it takes longer than the simple swipe. Android Pay is faster than the chip reader in my opinion.
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Ever since they moved to the chip card payment, it takes longer than the simple swipe. Android Pay is faster than the chip reader in my opinion.
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Cant say much about that as most cards here still dont have the chip and the banks are not in a rush to change over.
I can still get my wallet out and swipe my card fast then the average person can do it with a mobile device I feel. Cant say for sure as all mobile payments are refused and blocked here.
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Cant say much about that as most cards here still dont have the chip and the banks are not in a rush to change over.
I can still get my wallet out and swipe my card fast then the average person can do it with a mobile device I feel. Cant say for sure as all mobile payments are refused and blocked here.
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For me it's situational. There will be a few times I'll be waiting in line and already have my phone out browsing so in that situation android pay will be faster.
From a neutral position, grabbing the card and swiping it is faster but with the new chip cards and systems it's become tedious for me. I'll pull the card and swipe it at which time it will indicate that the card is a chip card and I have to use it in the chip reader. Once inserted it takes a while before it reads it, verifies and then indicates you can remove it.
From a neutral position the chip card process is slower because of the time it takes to read the chip in the card.
Samsung has it right with it being compatible with new and old systems. I haven't read to see how consistent it is but the concept sounds better.
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For me it's situational. There will be a few times I'll be waiting in line and already have my phone out browsing so in that situation android pay will be faster.
From a neutral position, grabbing the card and swiping it is faster but with the new chip cards and systems it's become tedious for me. I'll pull the card and swipe it at which time it will indicate that the card is a chip card and I have to use it in the chip reader. Once inserted it takes a while before it reads it, verifies and then indicates you can remove it.
From a neutral position the chip card process is slower because of the time it takes to read the chip in the card.
Samsung has it right with it being compatible with new and old systems. I haven't read to see how consistent it is but the concept sounds better.
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See you may have a bit of an edge there. Here most places have signs that say to make sure to have your cell phone put away when you come to the counter or they will not serve you.
Samsung pay doesnt work here either, as retailers keep the machine behind the reg so all none cash payments have to go through the cashier.
There is one bank here that has moved to the chip. But they just sent out a letter saying they were sending out chipless cards due to lack of interest or usage.
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See you may have a bit of an edge there. Here most places have signs that say to make sure to have your cell phone put away when you come to the counter or they will not serve you.
Samsung pay doesnt work here either, as retailers keep the machine behind the reg so all none cash payments have to go through the cashier.
There is one bank here that has moved to the chip. But they just sent out a letter saying they were sending out chipless cards due to lack of interest or usage.
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That's very interesting, thought they had to because there was a law passed for merchants, but eh, we'll never catch up to the rest of the world cause quite frankly...we're either lazy, can't wait 5 seconds for a card to read, or don't want to upgrade anything, Ahhh, the American way