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Z1 vs G2 vs S4 Camera Test - Xperia Z1 General

Z1 vs G2 vs S4
Here's my Z1, G2 and S4 going head to head.
I'm at work at the moment so they're not the best comparisons
The Z1 was shot in 8mp Superior Auto and 20mp Manual
The G2 was shot in 10mp Auto
The S4 was shot in 9.6mp Auto
Z1 Manual
Z1 Auto
My opinion is....
1st = G2
2nd = Z1
3rd = S4
Let me know what you think.....

Lol, planning on doing some more comparisons? As only one photo doesn't say too much...
But owning the Z1 and the G2 myself as well I tend to give the first place in good light to the G2 as well, the Z1 has more potential (especially in lower light situations) but somehow it doesn;t work too great yet. Especially with autosettings the G2 is the winner for me.

dagrim1 said:
Lol, planning on doing some more comparisons? As only one photo doesn't say too much...
But owning the Z1 and the G2 myself as well I tend to give the first place in good light to the G2 as well, the Z1 has more potential (especially in lower light situations) but somehow it doesn;t work too great yet. Especially with autosettings the G2 is the winner for me.
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Lol of course i''ll add more but it's all i can do at work, i'll do more when im home
Yeah i agree the G2 wins it for me, i used it all weekend and i was impressed with every picture but after using the Z1 for a few weeks, im usually dissapointed with most pictures. some low light pictures with the Z1 were really impressive, but the others were just ruined by noise.
I know the Z1 can produce some great shots in manual but 99% of pictures i take are spontaneous pictures, i quickly pull out my phone, snap a pictures and away i go, for this the Z1's 'Superior Auto' is not as good as the G2

Btw, I didn't mean to sound like an ass with that first line... No insult intended
But indeed, you shouldn't have to tweak in manual settings to get decent pictures. In my opinion at least 90% of the people just want to take a quick snap. Really torn between the Z1 and G2 myself, I love the screen, battery, wifi/data connection and partially the camera of the G2 but the feel and software (and partially the camera) of the Z1... Still can not decide but using the G2 as the main phone atm.
Am truely hoping the Z1 camera will get improved more in the near future...

dagrim1 said:
Btw, I didn't mean to sound like an ass with that first line... No insult intended
But indeed, you shouldn't have to tweak in manual settings to get decent pictures. In my opinion at least 90% of the people just want to take a quick snap. Really torn between the Z1 and G2 myself, I love the screen, battery, wifi/data connection and partially the camera of the G2 but the feel and software (and partially the camera) of the Z1... Still can not decide but using the G2 as the main phone atm.
Am truely hoping the Z1 camera will get improved more in the near future...
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I will put the Z1 down as a huge dissapointment as Sony over promised and over hyped it with PR bull like it having a Triluminous and X-Reality display and having 'Superor Auto' camera etc.. but in reality the screen is shocking and the cameras 'Superior Auto' is actually poor.
Sony should of just advertised the Z1 as the best waterproof phone on the market and its excellent build quality. and not focused on the screen and camera.
Oh and here's a quick screen comparison of the Z1 and G2

That manual mode on the z1 looks awesome, way less noise and more like a DSLR type of picture. But I am surprised that it's not performing too well (too much noise) in auto mode.
Did you upgrade the Z1? I heard Sony released an update a few weeks ago that improved the cam quality.
Btw can you allow us to download the original picture, please? You only let us up to Large 2048. I want to be able to see the full 20.7 MP and 13 MP.
The G2 has so much potential in its camera but LG keeps using that useless post processing effect that they also use in their HDTVs (which in my opinion really ruins the picture quality and makes it "overly smooth and weird" for no reason instead of sharp and a nice blur)
Can you do me a favor? download Camera360 and take a picture using Effects mode and then None and upload, for both G2 and Z1. I would like to see if the quality is better as usually Camera360 is capable of taking raw pictures with maximum details compared to Google's and Samsung's official camera apps (I know this is not google or Samsung but Sony's and LG's).

Ramsey said:
That manual mode on the z1 looks awesome, way less noise and more like a DSLR type of picture. But I am surprised that it's not performing too well (too much noise) in auto mode.
Did you upgrade the Z1? I heard Sony released an update a few weeks ago that improved the cam quality.
Btw can you allow us to download the original picture, please? You only let us up to Large 2048. I want to be able to see the full 20.7 MP and 13 MP.
The G2 has so much potential in its camera but LG keeps using that useless post processing effect that they also use in their HDTVs (which in my opinion really ruins the picture quality and makes it "overly smooth and weird" for no reason instead of sharp and a nice blur)
Can you do me a favor? download Camera360 and take a picture using Effects mode and then None and upload, for both G2 and Z1. I would like to see if the quality is better as usually Camera360 is capable of taking raw pictures with maximum details compared to Google's and Samsung's official camera apps (I know this is not google or Samsung but Sony's and LG's).
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Here's the G2 in full 13mp mode with the ISO set to 200, not Auto...
You can download the orignals from Flickr, i just checked. Click on an image, then click on the 3 dots in the bottom right hand corner and then click on 'View all Sizes', then select 'Original'
Here's a direct link the the full 20mp sample
I won't have time to try out that camera app as im about to leave work, sorry mate

Can't see original, maybe because I'm not signed in? I can, however, click your original link here in XDA and it works great for the Z1 20MP.
Can you take pictures of far objects? Almost all cell phones look great in close/macro shots.

I must say that for amateurs the LG G2 seems better, BUT you fail to note the picture is aggressively over sharpened (to make it seem sharper), the z1 is more natural, and is the better out of the bunch.

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I must say that for amateurs the LG G2 seems better, BUT you fail to note the picture is aggressively over sharpened (to make it seem sharper), the z1 is more natural, and is the better out of the bunch.
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With the Lego in front of me, i can tell you the detail on the G2's image is correct while to Z1's is too blurred/smooth and is missing scratches/marks from his hat of which the G2 manages to pick up. but this is being picky, the Z1's manual is still great.
i totally agree the G2 is the best for amateurs who just was a great point and shoot on their mobile and don't want to spend time manually setting the camera to the best setting every time they want a picture.
If Sony could fix the terrible Auto mode, then things would be much better for the Z1.

They need to fix the auto mode, sometimes you get amazing shots and sometimes average shots. Didn't dxomark rate the video camera the best ?
plus people need to remember your viewing the images on a 1080p screen.

Ramsey said:
Can't see original, maybe because I'm not signed in? I can, however, click your original link here in XDA and it works great for the Z1 20MP.
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That's because it says in flickr
The owner has disabled downloading of their photos
Not only is there no orginal neither can you download anything. Why ?
Sorry, neilmc1983, no fair, enable it so we can check out the orginal pics.
neilmc1983 said:
But the image is more blurred and the colour reproduction is completely wrong.
Looking at the crops, the LG G2 wins for me. great detail, clarity and the colours were correct.
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Whose fault is it if the picture is more blurred ?
completely wrong ? What is it with these exaggerations !!
It's looks pretty close to me. I don't see any wb issues there. No blue or yellow tints.
neilmc1983 said:
I've just purchased an LG G2, so now i have a Z1, S4 and a G2
I'm busy this weekend but i will post comparison pics of all 3 and i will show the terrible noise on the Z1 even with the update.
So far i am very impressed with the G2 camera.
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Did not see any terrible noise with this set of pictures
neilmc1983 said:
ok mate, i understand you can create better looking pictures in manual but still the Auto mode should still be excellent like it is on the G2 and S4, but its not on the Z1, its very poor and Sony have the cheek to call it 'Superior Auto'
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Its not very poor. Its improved over earlier versions. It can be better.
Bear in mind that lg, samsung & apple do more aggressive noise reduction. This means you lose details in lower light. Its one or the other. Z1 is more capable of taking pictures in more light ranges than any of the above. You want to excel in good light the others will be better, you want low light they will struggle.

neilmc1983 said:
With the Lego in front of me, i can tell you the detail on the G2's image is correct while to Z1's is too blurred/smooth and is missing scratches/marks from his hat of which the G2 manages to pick up. but this is being picky, the Z1's manual is still great.
i totally agree the G2 is the best for amateurs who just was a great point and shoot on their mobile and don't want to spend time manually setting the camera to the best setting every time they want a picture.
If Sony could fix the terrible Auto mode, then things would be much better for the Z1.
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G2 at 13 MP still got more noticeable amount of noise over Z1 at 20MP, easily spotted.

Very disappointed with the picture quality on Z1. I was not expecting DSLR quality photo but at least slightly better than S4 / Iphone 5s
Sony better do someting or else we would see less sales on Z2 or their next line up of product. I compared mine with Note 2 & Note 3, pictures quality are better on Note 3.

It's important to note that your individual experience doesn't agree with what most of the professional comparisons are saying.
I think you should buy a Nokia windows phone since it appears you're more interested mainly in cameraphones, they have just the cameras you're looking for. Otherwise if you're going to stick with android for mostly non camera related reasons, I'd keep your z1 vs the LG's freaking god awful software.
To paraphrase their company slogan when it comes to OEM forks of android "Life is (not) Good". The z1 is a far better smartphone than the g2 in most smartphone aspects.
Reading your anti z1 cam and display posts lately I can only conclude you have a decisive bias towards the g2, your display experiences aren't indicative of the norm everywhere else, and you appear to be looking for bolstering from people to feel better about choosing the g2.
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omnius1 said:
To paraphrase their company slogan when it comes to OEM forks of android "Life is (not) Good". The z1 is a far better smartphone than the g2 in most smartphone aspects
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I disagree, G2 seems far better than Z1, the Z1 currently for me only wins in the aspect of build quality/material and maybe the polished user interface (depends on what user likes) and ofc the water proof in z1 which is not for me as I had seen how waterproofing worked on my xperia z, I am not a fanboy or something of G2 I have recently bought it after thinking 100 times if I should go with LG but thinking their past 1 years work I did trust LG and to be true I am not disappointed. Z1 is a great looking design phone and with very polished user interface other than that I don't feel Z1 can be better than G2 or maybe even note 3. (I dislike note 3) I'd rather wait for z2 and see if they work on their display panels.

We agree to disagree then. I find Sony phones to be of much higher quality than LG on pretty much every level.
I find Sony electronics in general to be of a higher caliber than LG who are still struggling with their budget electronics stigma.
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omnius1 said:
We agree to disagree then. I find Sony phones to be of much higher quality than LG on pretty much every level.
I find Sony electronics in general to be of a higher caliber than LG who are still struggling with their budget electronics stigma.
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You are right about the higher quality of Sony phone or any Sony product, I myself use Sony Tv's camcorder, vaio, but I guess their smartphone in terms of build is the best in market no one can win it anyday no matter if it's a low-end, mid-range or high-end device Sony's phone are the best in terms of build but the main problem occurs is the display and the glass at back, on my xperia z the glass got unglued and also cracked due to heat same happen to the z1 it was unglued and also the display I had got myself 9 replacements of z1 but the display of all was never satisfying took replacement from several service centers but still no luck in display and finally a refund, I'll anyday go for Sony if I want a high quality built device but as per usage I wouldn't go for Sony as of now.

omnius1 said:
Reading your anti z1 cam and display posts lately I can only conclude you have a decisive bias towards the g2, your display experiences aren't indicative of the norm everywhere else, and you appear to be looking for bolstering from people to feel better about choosing the g2.
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I've got that impression too as far as OP is concerned.
G2 vs Z1 is a tough decision.
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but the main problem occurs is the display and the glass at back, on my xperia z the glass got unglued and also cracked due to heat same happen to the z1 it was unglued and also the display I had got myself 9 replacements of z1 but the display of all was never satisfying took replacement from several service centers but still no luck in display and finally a refund, I'll anyday go for Sony if I want a high quality built device but as per usage I wouldn't go for Sony as of now.
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9 replacements !!
It seems to take forever just to get one replacement, unless there is a clear problem with the device they refuse it.
How the heck did you manage to get 9. I'd have thought they'd try once or twice, failing which return your money and tell you to get lost.

One Twelve said:
I've got that impression too as far as OP is concerned.
G2 vs Z1 is a tough decision.
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9 replacements !!
It seems to take forever just to get one replacement, unless there is a clear problem with the device they refuse it.
How the heck did you manage to get 9. I'd have thought they'd try once or twice, failing which return your money and tell you to get lost.
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I guess they are pretty good and nice here in my country/city and also they had agreed to all the display issues faced without banging my head on walls to explain them.

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I've came across Note2, S4, G2 and now I'm on Z1. And I've expected for camera to be top out of those, but left disappointed. I feel like hardware could do so much more, but that camera firmware is so.. so... Nah, don't even have word for it. It's like Krait 400 clocked at 0.5 GHz.
What was Sony thinking?
Colors are off, there's too much noise, no option for wide 16MP, or something like that, white balance is off... It's mess!
If Samsung had this sensor, I feel like it would rock 1020 with it's firmware.. Do you feel same?

Yes,I guess so.
Did you try the manual mode and playing with the ISO?
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The Developers will improve the software soon. Anyway I still one from many disappointed. The hardware is ok, software from Sony sucks.

Eclyptos : The camera software from Sony DOESN'T SUCK! It just needs improvement. If it would suck, you wouldn't be able to take such good pictures in manual mode (check the forum in the Z1 camera tests).
But that requires some knoledge ...
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bogdan wst said:
Eclyptos : The camera software from Sony DOESN'T SUCK! It just needs improvement. If it would suck, you wouldn't be able to take such good pictures in manual mode (check the forum in the Z1 camera tests).
But that requires some knoledge ...
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HElp me with this what settings do you use in manual to get good pics??

very disappointed
im very disappointed with cam of my Z1, very very noise specialy in colors more dark, im waiting a lot of updates for cam.... noise, wide 16 for example.. and others

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cooldude9119 said:
HElp me with this what settings do you use in manual to get good pics??
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Lol, go read photographing forums, same rules apply for all cameras, here is not the place to learn how to shoot.
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It really.isn't.that bad. Sure, the 1020 is better but it's probably the best Android camera (Sony was with the Xperia S too).
It.does have issues.in auto mode.when.in iffy conditions but you.can get amazing results with this phone!
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highly disappointed, the camera is designed by the cybershot team man, how can it be so crappy. imagine processing is one thing, the functionality is a complete joke, 20 MP only then 8MP? Not even a 16MP 16:9 or 16MP 4:3. The sensor size would probably be great for 16MP photos, but 20MP is probably a bit too much. The auto mode is complete trash too, only time I ever get good shot is only under perfect light condition. Unless they are still trying to iron out a few things, or the cybershot team lacks experience writing software for ARM processor or something. There is no excuse of it being as what it is now. And it was out for a while and we still don't see any major improvement what so ever, they should be ashame of themselves.

Looks like not everyone disagrees with me like they did on my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2562211
Oh well, maybe the will improve it on the upcoming 14.2.A.1.114 firmware update.

Man I don't know why people complain so much about the camera! Maybe I'm just lucky but my phone takes absolutely brilliant pics! I threw a few pics onto a massive Samsung smart TV not so long ago and I was blown away by the quality! Sure it struggles a bit in low ligting conditions but honestly it's still good for a phone, I think people were expecting DSLR quality pics when they bought this phone or expecting it to be the same as a Sony Cybershot point and shoot camera? By comparison to the two cameras I mentioned, it will never be on par with those because it has a much smaller sensor. For what it is (a phone camera) it is brilliant.
I'm not denying that there is definite room for improvement on the software side but honestly currently it's still a killer camera (if you know how to use it properly)
I don't understand why people are so nit picky about this phone, people have ripped it to shreds over small details but at the end of the day it's a killer android phone worthy to be a flagship device. I know other's have had issues with displays... blah blah blah. Infact I did too, I had a tiny dead pixel on mine the first time I turned it on, sent it back and they gave me a replacement no questions asked! My point is, if you're so unhappy about the device then just sell it and buy another phone or if there's a fault with it then get it fixed or replaced under warranty instead of ripping the phone to shreds

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Man I don't know why people complain so much about the camera! Maybe I'm just lucky but my phone takes absolutely brilliant pics! I threw a few pics onto a massive Samsung smart TV not so long ago and I was blown away by the quality! Sure it struggles a bit in low ligting conditions but honestly it's still good for a phone, I think people were expecting DSLR quality pics when they bought this phone or expecting it to be the same as a Sony Cybershot point and shoot camera? By comparison to the two cameras I mentioned, it will never be on par with those because it has a much smaller sensor. For what it is (a phone camera) it is brilliant.
I'm not denying that there is definite room for improvement on the software side but honestly currently it's still a killer camera (if you know how to use it properly)
I don't understand why people are so nit picky about this phone, people have ripped it to shreds over small details but at the end of the day it's a killer android phone worthy to be a flagship device. I know other's have had issues with displays... blah blah blah. Infact I did too, I had a tiny dead pixel on mine the first time I turned it on, sent it back and they gave me a replacement no questions asked! My point is, if you're so unhappy about the device then just sell it and buy another phone or if there's a fault with it then get it fixed or replaced under warranty instead of ripping the phone to shreds
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It's not the camera that itself that people are complaining about. It's the auto mode. I think some of us know that it takes great photos with the right manual settings but what is the point of having the Auto mode if it doesn't work properly?
I really want to love this phone as it is probably the most elegant device out there, has excellent battery life, and the performance is one of the best but it's the unpredictable auto mode on the camera that bugs the crap out of me and most of the people who are not happy about the camera.

soulreaver99 said:
It's not the camera that itself that people are complaining about. It's the auto mode. I think some of us know that it takes great photos with the right manual settings but what is the point of having the Auto mode if it doesn't work properly?
I really want to love this phone as it is probably the most elegant device out there, has excellent battery life, and the performance is one of the best but it's the unpredictable auto mode on the camera that bugs the crap out of me and most of the people who are not happy about the camera.
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Ok yes, on that point I agree with you. Auto mode could be better. Im 100% sure that Sony keeps an eye on this forum as we are the most critical users out there, the average Joe probably doesn't care much about the camera and uses the phone for texting and calls so my point is they are aware of it and they will address it, give them time. They heard our screams with the bootloader fiasco! Btw Samsung wouldn't have even cared less about the issue but Sony does, so just wait for them to sort the software issues out.

First of all, Merry Christmas everyone
I've been shooting some photos yesterday and conclusion is this. Night or low light photos (indoors) looks awful, but daylight photos looks fantastic even on front facing camera. But, it's not proportional how awesome day photos looks like. I mean, there's so much detail, colors are good, and wb is just fine, but at night, there is so much noise, artifacts on front camera.. It's impossible that hardware is one to blame..
I sure hope Sony will fix it in new firmware update..

cooldude9119 said:
HElp me with this what settings do you use in manual to get good pics??
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It's not the camera, it's the photographer.... Seriously, how do you expect us to give you the right settings we don't even know what the subject is, the lighting you have, etc... Before complaining, learn about photography and what each setting does and maybe you will take better pictures.
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I agree with u all… its just the SA that needs tunning. The manual mode is great for people who knows how to treat it
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Noise, noise, noise.....
My xperia T takes way far better pictures....
When they ask your money for "the best camera phone" (lol) they should give you at least something a little better than the previous flagship, not worse....
I agree that the camera takes some good pictures here and there but when you zoom in the quality goes to.....

NanoSurfer said:
Man I don't know why people complain so much about the camera!
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They don't want to take the effort to get better shots. One decent shot in the photo thread is all it takes to debunk them. Hardest thing to figure out is lighting. Get that right and the shots are fantastic. Same applies to any camera.
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I think people were expecting DSLR quality pics when they bought this phone or expecting it to be the same as a Sony Cybershot point and shoot camera? By comparison to the two cameras I mentioned, it will never be on par with those because it has a much smaller sensor. For what it is (a phone camera) it is brilliant.
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Was looking at the cybershot line and the bulk of them come with 1/2.3" sensors only the RX100 uses a 1 inch sensor. Meaning its around 4x bigger with carl zeiss glass.
The advantage these PS have is the optical zoom. But do they work well in auto in the hands of some one that cannot take a photo. No. Was just looking at vacation pics a friend took and so many of them were out of focus. Her compact has the same sensor size but only the outdoors photos come out ok. There is quite some noise in a double tap on the tab. Again using auto, indoors it uses a lower shutter speed and i was apalled to see 5/10 shots coming out blurred. The flash blows everybody away. When it does not you get a decent shot.
Indoors in artificial lighting in sub par lighting any compact size sensor is going to struggle. The hardest are indoors subpar lighting where you're forced to use the flash to avoid blur. Have to use higher ISOs in this case, no you won't be able to avoid noise but you will get better shots ie more natural than with a flash.
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I don't understand why people are so nit picky about this phone, people have ripped it to shreds over small details but at the end of the day it's a killer android phone worthy to be a flagship device. I know other's have had issues with displays... blah blah blah. Infact I did too, I had a tiny dead pixel on mine the first time I turned it on, sent it back and they gave me a replacement no questions asked! My point is, if you're so unhappy about the device then just sell it and buy another phone or if there's a fault with it then get it fixed or replaced under warranty instead of ripping the phone to shreds
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yeah and then when they get the next device, they'll go spam the respective forum with more *****ing & whining. Take a look around the board and every camera gets bashed. This is normal. Expect it and ignore it.
Bandwidth bandits the lot of 'em

The reason we all expected this to be a great camera, is because Sony told us it was with all their marketing. I was so excited by the phone. But the camera was the reason I returned it. Otherwise, it is a splendid piece of kit.

I've been debating to get this over G2 but i've been reading some problems about the camera overheating. My main purpose for a smartphone is for pictures and videos (especially live music/shows)

carlosii said:
I've been debating to get this over G2 but i've been reading some problems about the camera overheating. My main purpose for a smartphone is for pictures and videos (especially live music/shows)
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Buy the z1 dude, u wont regret

carlosii said:
I've been debating to get this over G2 but i've been reading some problems about the camera overheating. My main purpose for a smartphone is for pictures and videos (especially live music/shows)
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both have pros and cons. but i prefer Z1. and i dont have any of those issues

carlosii said:
I've been debating to get this over G2 but i've been reading some problems about the camera overheating. My main purpose for a smartphone is for pictures and videos (especially live music/shows)
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Never had that issue, yesterday I recorded a 25 min 1080p video and no signs of overheating.
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LG Software is the one helding me from buying it
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carlosii said:
I've been debating to get this over G2 but i've been reading some problems about the camera overheating. My main purpose for a smartphone is for pictures and videos (especially live music/shows)
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LG Software is the one helding me from buying it
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I've come from the iPhone 4s and I can tell you I'll never go back to Apple. The Xperia Z1 is a fantastic phone. The camera has never overheated for me, and I use it lots to record videos, take photos. The phone rooted is even more powerful, the battery easily lasts all day for me. It also lasts 2 days with light use.
It's a little big for some people, but I do so much with it, I won't be letting go of this phone for a while. It's fast, it's smart, it's a great design.
You won't regret buying it.

My gf has a G2 and I have a Z1, I really do prefer the Z1. Except smaller bezels and a slightly better screen IMHO the Z1 wins out on all areas. G2 UI is very touchwiz like, cluttered and looks like it drawn with crayons while Z1 is clean and super smooth. Z1
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I wouldn't be so hasty to get this phone if I were you. I own both a S4 and a Z1 and I'd have to say that the S4 is way more value for money. It takes equivalent pics (despite having only 13 MP cam compared to Z1's 20MP), comparable performance in day-to-day use, much better screen, smaller size, removable battery, IR blaster. It's overall a more versatile device and I use it as my daily driver for that reason.
The only aspects Z1 has the S4 beat hands-down are the beautiful design, smooth and elegant UI and premium feel in hand. If these are important to you, then by all means consider the Z1. You should however be wary of the numerous issues plaguing this phone - worst of which is the touchscreen issue which I'm experiencing. Just look through the threads and you'll know what I mean.

I previously had the s4 and would never go back it would feel like a downgrade
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Both phones are pretty awesome really, but the LG software...damn its uglier than a natural disaster
Never had an issue with the camera(or anything else) myself and it has great battery life
Now the G2 has better viewing angles and more saturated colors so if that's your kind of thing, other than that well its up to you
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I have the Z1, and my dad has the G2. I prefer the G2 for videos, as the screen is bigger and more comfortable to hold. Images taken with the G2 also tend to be less grainy from what I could see, and the colors seemed to be better, however, this is without adjusting any of the camera settings, since I unfortunately do not know how to fully utilize the camera. UI wise though, the Z1 wins by a longshot, the LG UI is a bastardized and even more cluttered version of Touchwiz.

Am Buying this device,decided to wait for 2014 flagship but as in official announcement Z1 will be the 2014 flagship this is a great device.
+ Point is expandable storage,which other phones like G2,Nexus 5 don't have.
Development is little slower,but not abandoned.Will try to port MIUI As well.
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I have both phones and the G2 takes much clearer and crisper pictures. I'm not at all satisfied with the camera on the Z1. So if that is your main use I would recommend that you try both before making a decision.
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I have both phones and the G2 takes much clearer and crisper pictures. I'm not at all satisfied with the camera on the Z1. So if that is your main use I would recommend that you try both before making a decision.
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G2 Is a great device flawed by its storage,I can't live with limited storage(Previously Nexus 4)
Mainly use it as a multimedia device,for some gaming as well
Hence Z1:angel:
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acervenky,
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Here's my point of view. I've used LG g2 for a brief period and let me tell you, it has the best smartphone display I've ever seen in my life. The reviews don't mention it or nor do they do justice to it. It's almost like you're touching the words when you're browsing the Web . I hate their UI but that's something that can be easily fixed with a launcher like nova or apex. Having said that let me move on to the next one.
Galaxy s4, this device I've had for almost three months. I used to own the Google edition. I know you didnt asked for this to be compared but since some of the guys mentioned above I thought I'd add my pov. It's a nice device. The screen is beautiful, the camera is decent, supports sd card, removeable battery and ir blaster. Decent phone but if you look past this some of these features are novelties plus you're getting a processor ie a generation behind. I also I don't know if it's just me but the phone tends to get boring really fast.
Now to the final one. The z1. After looking at the first two devices you'll immediately notice one thing. The xperia z1 has the worst viewing angles than any phone I've ever used. It's horrific. It kinda reminds me of Sega game gear from the 80's. Some people might tell you it doesn't bother them but according to me their are not paying attention. In order to get the complete image quality you need to hold the phone straight to your face. Even a tiny 5 degree tilt will make the images look washed out. The closed thing I can compare it with is the 3m privacy screen protectors for computer monitors. Try one out and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Now, if you look past the horrible viewing angles things start looking up for the Z1. Here are some of the advantages over g2: outstanding building quality, sd card support, amazing battery life, outstanding camera, water proof and better ui (in my opinion).
The camera: anyone whose stating above that g2's or s4s camera is great is incorrect. The reason being the displays. These phones have saturated displays with higher contrast ratios which automatically makes the pictures look better. However if you were to take pictures on all three phones and to watch the pictures on a monitor, you'll see that the xperia z1 clearly has the best camera. As per reviews and benchmarks the z1's camera is only second to lumia 1020 and that's saying something.
So, now you decide. Based on your requirement z1 looks like an obvious choice. Personally for me I'm using z1. But what I would have liked to use is the LG g2. The only reason I went with z1 is because of the SD card support, camera is not a priority for me.

I've had both and the G2 pimp slaps the Z1.. The display which way better and because of the smaller bezels, you get a bigger screen with the G2 and its the same size as the Z1.. My screen time on the stock G2 with same brightness is about 1.5 hours better than the Z1.. Viewing angles are better... The Z1 weighs like a brick and although better built then the G2 and feeling better to hold, I prefer the G2 due to its lightness... The Z1 is clumsy IMO.. Software wise, Sony is better.. LG UI is like Bloatwiz but less way less laggy.. Sony UI is faster and I do miss that... Camera on G2 doesn't have all the yellow hue problems but low light focusing is atrocious... Lack of SD is a problem but you can get around it with an external micro USB SD card reader... On the whole, no regrets here getting the G2..
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I wouldn't be so hasty to get this phone if I were you. I own both a S4 and a Z1 and I'd have to say that the S4 is way more value for money. It takes equivalent pics (despite having only 13 MP cam compared to Z1's 20MP), comparable performance in day-to-day use, much better screen, smaller size, removable battery, IR blaster. It's overall a more versatile device and I use it as my daily driver for that reason.
The only aspects Z1 has the S4 beat hands-down are the beautiful design, smooth and elegant UI and premium feel in hand. If these are important to you, then by all means consider the Z1. You should however be wary of the numerous issues plaguing this phone - worst of which is the touchscreen issue which I'm experiencing. Just look through the threads and you'll know what I mean.
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and performance,
snapdragon 600 struggles with 1080p gaming, Snapdragon 800 has no issues

here is the deal:
* if you value display over everything else, then you go with G2
* if you value extra storage, better camera, better UI, better build quality, then go with Z1
Mind you, only advantage of G2 over Z1 Display is a viewing angles, other than that its on par...

acervenky said:
G2 Is a great device flawed by its storage,I can't live with limited storage(Previously Nexus 4)
Mainly use it as a multimedia device,for some gaming as well
Hence Z1:angel:
Regards,
acervenky,
XPT
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Storage is the main reason I spent $700 on the 6906 version of this device. I have really missed the expandable storage and always having to pull things off the G2 becomes a real pain in the butt.
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Here's my point of view. I've used LG g2 for a brief period and let me tell you, it has the best smartphone display I've ever seen in my life. The reviews don't mention it or nor do they do justice to it. It's almost like you're touching the words when you're browsing the Web . I hate their UI but that's something that can be easily fixed with a launcher like nova or apex. Having said that let me move on to the next one.
Galaxy s4, this device I've had for almost three months. I used to own the Google edition. I know you didnt asked for this to be compared but since some of the guys mentioned above I thought I'd add my pov. It's a nice device. The screen is beautiful, the camera is decent, supports sd card, removeable battery and ir blaster. Decent phone but if you look past this some of these features are novelties plus you're getting a processor ie a generation behind. I also I don't know if it's just me but the phone tends to get boring really fast.
Now to the final one. The z1. After looking at the first two devices you'll immediately notice one thing. The xperia z1 has the worst viewing angles than any phone I've ever used. It's horrific. It kinda reminds me of Sega game gear from the 80's. Some people might tell you it doesn't bother them but according to me their are not paying attention. In order to get the complete image quality you need to hold the phone straight to your face. Even a tiny 5 degree tilt will make the images look washed out. The closed thing I can compare it with is the 3m privacy screen protectors for computer monitors. Try one out and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Now, if you look past the horrible viewing angles things start looking up for the Z1. Here are some of the advantages over g2: outstanding building quality, sd card support, amazing battery life, outstanding camera, water proof and better ui (in my opinion).
The camera: anyone whose stating above that g2's or s4s camera is great is incorrect. The reason being the displays. These phones have saturated displays with higher contrast ratios which automatically makes the pictures look better. However if you were to take pictures on all three phones and to watch the pictures on a monitor, you'll see that the xperia z1 clearly has the best camera. As per reviews and benchmarks the z1's camera is only second to lumia 1020 and that's saying something.
So, now you decide. Based on your requirement z1 looks like an obvious choice. Personally for me I'm using z1. But what I would have liked to use is the LG g2. The only reason I went with z1 is because of the SD card support, camera is not a priority for me.
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I can agree with you on a lot of your points, but as far as battery life, the G2 is unbelievable! I use my phone as much as anyone. I can get 6+ hours of on screen time along with close to 3 hours of talk time in a single charge and still be at 15% before needing to charge the phone. It has a 3000 battery like the Z1. Time will tell on the Z1 and it is doing well so far. If it can truly do better on battery than the G2, I will be highly impressed.
For me, I primarily use the camera for snapping pictures of my daughter, work projects and just day to day things. I don't own another camera so I need to rely heavily on my phone. I am still learning the ins and outs of the camera on the Z1, but the settings right out of the box seem to pretty low standard. However, if you put the camera in manual mode, choose the 20.7 resolution and then use the multi focus mode, they are MUCH better than what you get from the superior auto option.
These are just my opinions and experience.

droidiac13 said:
Storage is the main reason I spent $700 on the 6906 version of this device. I have really missed the expandable storage and always having to pull things off the G2. Becomes a real pain in the butt.
I can agree with you on a lot of your points, but as far as battery life, the G2 is unbelievable! I use my phone as much as anyone. I can get 6+ hours of on screen time along with close to 3 hours of talk time in a single charge and still be at 15% before needing to charge the phone. It has a 3000 battery like the Z1. Time will tell on the Z1 and it is doing well so far. If it can truly do better on battery than the G2, I will be highly impressed.
For me, I primarily use the camera for snapping pictures of my daughter, work projects and just day to day things. I don't own another camera so I need to rely heavily on my phone. I am still learning the ins and outs of the camera on the Z1, but the settings right out of the box seem to pretty low standard. However, if you put the camera in manual mode, choose the 20.7 resolution and then use the multi focus mode, they are MUCH better than what you get from the superior auto option.
These are just my opinions and experience.
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I easily get 6 hours + screentime on my Z1
1 -2 hours asphalt 8
2-4 hours 3g browsing, movies, camera etc...

I just switched to TMobile yesterday and I got the LG G2. I am highly disappointed with the camera, specially the low light. I love taking photos on my cell (before this I had a Lumia 1020 which replaced my HTC One which replaced my S3) and the low light just didn't cut it.
The Z1s comes to tmobile in a week so I'm thinking of swapping it out for that. The thing is, I've heard so many mixed reviews about the Z1 and it's camera. I would love to have opinions from you all that own it. If you can compare the photos to any other phone that would be great. I was actually debating between the LG G2 and Note III and Z1, but I really think the Z1 (specs wise) might be the closest to the Lumia 1020 (which is the best smartphone camera I have EVER used....too bad it was on WP8)
Thank you in advance!
Rob

The Z1 camera is infuriating to use because it's obvious that the hardware is a beast. It's the best camera hardware you can get on an Android device. However, the software is a hit or miss. Superior auto is okay for daylight pictures but is almost unusable for lowlight pictures. However, if you take a bit of time to learn how to use the camera in manual, you will have no problem getting excellent images from the Z1. Lowlight performance is decent, better than the LG G2 but worse than the HTC One, it's just you cannot rely on Superior Auto mode to get you the best pics, usually they end up very noisy.
In daylight there is no contest, the Z1 is one of the best out there. 90% of the time Superior auto does the job well. The other 10% of time there is overexposure or noise but then you can use manual or try again and it should come out okay. Low light is tricky.
If you want a camera that 'just works' I would suggest looking at the HTC One or LG G2. However, if you are willing to spend a bit of time to explore the camera's features and functions you will love the Z1. It's definitely the most fun camera phone to use. Don't get me wrong, it's not 'bad', it's just not as good as it could be. Also, the viewfinder is one of the smoothest I've used. 60fps of awesome.
The thing about the Z1 is that is one of the best 'allround' phones. You get a premium feeling, waterproof body with the fastest processor available and an extremely good camera. There's almost nothing like it. The iPhone 5S and HTC One are probably the only other ones that can compete with the all-roundedness. The LG G2 is really good as well but IMO has a horrible, cheap looking and feeling body. For me looks matter as much as the internals because I have the phone on me at all times and is a part of me, so I want it to reflect who I am. The Z1's sharp looks do just that .
Hopefully KitKat will stabilize superior auto and make it better because it's infuriating having poor software when you have unbeatable hardware.

I will have to say that while the Camera software disappoints it really isn't that bad at all..
As far as low light pics are concerned, for me superior auto does the job well enough..and of course low light photos have the element of noise as on any camera phone but don't let it bother you too much. You will just have to compare for yourself lowlight photos between the G2 and the Z1 to see if its up to your expectations.
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robamacaf said:
I just switched to TMobile yesterday and I got the LG G2. I am highly disappointed with the camera, specially the low light. I love taking photos on my cell (before this I had a Lumia 1020 which replaced my HTC One which replaced my S3) and the low light just didn't cut it.
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The night sky shot you took with the 1020 has a shutter delay of 4s.
Z1 has a max shutter delay in night mode of 0.8s. This is the best you have currently with android. Also the Z1 has a 2.0 aperture to the 1020's 2.2. So about 25% larger.
bear in mind the nokia's can go as slow as 4s shutter delay because WP8 allows it. So even mid range WP8 phones with nokia camera app can get the 4s shutter delay. Android at this time does not even if the hardware can support it. I see no reason why this cannot be done in the future with android if mid range WP8 phones presently allow such low shutter delay. It's an OS limitation. Another limitation with android is its not possible to manually set shutter speed or do any manual focus unlike with WP8. This limits to a certain extent or makes it harder than it would have been been with say Nokia camera.
Whereas the slowest shutter delay with the G2, note3, N5 or S4 is around 1/8s (6x faster than 0.8). What they then do is take a HDR. They cheat. This means a relatively stable hand held low light shot but if an even slower shutter speed is required then you cannot do it. Has the low light video improved on the G2 since ? as the video from examples i'd seen earlier was mostly not usable.

i have a g2, ordered z1s, z1s is beatiful phone, liked the screen and mostly everything, little snapier then g2, for some reason z1s felt a little big, battery life i was not impressed, on the first charge, 15 min screen time and down 6%, comparing to g2 where you will loose 2% tops, great phone but going back to g2, will wait for somerhing else with better cam then g2
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One Twelve said:
Another limitation with android is its not possible to manually set shutter speed or do any manual focus unlike with WP8. This limits to a certain extent or makes it harder than it would have been been with say Nokia camera.
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Just as a side note, the LG G2 DOES have manual focus where you can move a slider (sorta like the 1020) to focus on things.
Thank you all for the opinions. I'll have to get hands on with it I think to really get a feel for it but I'm really leaning towards it. I'd get the HTC One again in a heartbeat if it had higher MP to actually have details in the photos

Check out this video mate:
The pictures were taken on the initial software release, the software has slightly improved since then but it should gives you a good idea on how well the camera perfomes.

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Check out this video mate:
The pictures were taken on the initial software release, the software has slightly improved since then but it should gives you a good idea on how well the camera perfomes.
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Thanks for this. You put a lot of info into that video. I also watched the 3 min one you made with mostly low light pictures. Looks like the Z1 is def worth getting

robamacaf said:
Thanks for this. You put a lot of info into that video. I also watched the 3 min one you made with mostly low light pictures. Looks like the Z1 is def worth getting
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I absolutely love it
I only wish the screen was better. It's not bad by any means but due to poor viewing angles the experience is not on par with other devices (oppo find 5 etc)

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robamacaf said:
I just switched to TMobile yesterday and I got the LG G2. I am highly disappointed with the camera, specially the low light. I love taking photos on my cell (before this I had a Lumia 1020 which replaced my HTC One which replaced my S3) and the low light just didn't cut it.
The Z1s comes to tmobile in a week so I'm thinking of swapping it out for that. The thing is, I've heard so many mixed reviews about the Z1 and it's camera. I would love to have opinions from you all that own it. If you can compare the photos to any other phone that would be great. I was actually debating between the LG G2 and Note III and Z1, but I really think the Z1 (specs wise) might be the closest to the Lumia 1020 (which is the best smartphone camera I have EVER used....too bad it was on WP8)
Thank you in advance!
Rob
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I had a G2 and while I liked it I decided to not keep it. Just got my Z1s on Monday and was very impressed with the handful of shots I took, and find I like the Z1s all-around more than I did the G2: better design, better android skin, better battery life & performance (and the G2 was no slouch in either of those two areas), and at least based on first impressions better camera.
I am exchanging my Z1s because of some difficulty getting it to acknowledge long press while holding the phone (started a thread on that), but other than that was very happy with it and am looking forward to getting my replacement.

Any opinions on the battery life? I know the G2 and Z1 and the same sized battery and so far I've had the G2 off of charger for 6 hours and it's only at 91%. I've made some phone calls, checked emails, sent hangout messages through out the day. Connected to WIFI and 4G. It's fantastic

Battery life is not G2 good but it's still excellent. I usually get 6-8 hours screentime on, which is much better than most phones out there.

Tough decision for me, sell my G2 and payoff my EIP or keep it and sell the Z1S and profit a bit and wait for something else.
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robamacaf said:
I just switched to TMobile yesterday and I got the LG G2. I am highly disappointed with the camera, specially the low light. I love taking photos on my cell (before this I had a Lumia 1020 which replaced my HTC One which replaced my S3) and the low light just didn't cut it.
The Z1s comes to tmobile in a week so I'm thinking of swapping it out for that. The thing is, I've heard so many mixed reviews about the Z1 and it's camera. I would love to have opinions from you all that own it. If you can compare the photos to any other phone that would be great. I was actually debating between the LG G2 and Note III and Z1, but I really think the Z1 (specs wise) might be the closest to the Lumia 1020 (which is the best smartphone camera I have EVER used....too bad it was on WP8)
Thank you in advance!
Rob
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Check My Low light photos
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157637726566185/
you will also find Htc One set and Comparison Set between note3 vs z1
Me also swapped the htc one with the z1
reason: Purple tint camera and very long time focusing during night and mostly out of focus
how do i compare : Z1 blew away Htc faster lock never out of focus and Better lowlight
you can see in the sets both taken with htc and z1 ... Just to mention i never used Superior Auto i always use manual @all auto .. except if i want to capture a night landscape or scene with longer exposure i choose Night Mode from scenes and rest my arm on somethings
by the way
note3 camera at night it [email protected] !

ashouhdy said:
Check My Low light photos
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157637726566185/
you will also find Htc One set and Comparison Set between note3 vs z1
Me also swapped the htc one with the z1
reason: Purple tint camera and very long time focusing during night and mostly out of focus
how do i compare : Z1 blew away Htc faster lock never out of focus and Better lowlight
you can see in the sets both taken with htc and z1 ... Just to mention i never used Superior Auto i always use manual @all auto .. except if i want to capture a night landscape or scene with longer exposure i choose Night Mode from scenes and rest my arm on somethings
by the way
note3 camera at night it [email protected] !
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Wow! Those are fantastic! Thank you

I've had a play with a G2 and it's a cracking handset, but not a patch on the Z1 in terms of the on screen user experience, the LG skin looks too much like Touchwiz, which is hideous. The camera rocks, all round anyway, no phone camera I've ever come across actually performs perfectly, but the Z1 comes close.

robamacaf said:
I just switched to TMobile yesterday and I got the LG G2. I am highly disappointed with the camera, specially the low light. I love taking photos on my cell (before this I had a Lumia 1020 which replaced my HTC One which replaced my S3) and the low light just didn't cut it.
The Z1s comes to tmobile in a week so I'm thinking of swapping it out for that. The thing is, I've heard so many mixed reviews about the Z1 and it's camera. I would love to have opinions from you all that own it. If you can compare the photos to any other phone that would be great. I was actually debating between the LG G2 and Note III and Z1, but I really think the Z1 (specs wise) might be the closest to the Lumia 1020 (which is the best smartphone camera I have EVER used....too bad it was on WP8)
Thank you in advance!
Rob
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The Z1 is really the best camera in an Android phone. The flash sucks, specially compared to the 1020's (and the 808's, still the best camera phone by a huge margin) xenon, of course; but it's bad for a LED. However, its low light, non-flash performance is way above the rest of the pack. More comparable to the 1020's non-flash pics than to the G2's. You will also have the benefit of some lossless zoom. As a camera, it's definitely an upgrade over the S3/One/G2, and a clear downgrade all around from the 1020.
This is an interesting comparison of the Z1 with Nokia's last few cameraphones:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/18845_Smartphone_camera_shootout_the.php
Note that no non-Nokia phone had ever beaten the N8 on that site. But I'd suggest you to rate the pictures by yourself. Assign points to each, then assign a factor of importance to each category, and sum up the scores (multiplied by the importance of each category). You may come to a different conclusion than Steve.
Another interesting data point is this:
http://connect.dpreview.com/post/44...1-vs-nokia1020-vs-lgg2-vs-samsunggalaxys4zoom
Which includes a direct comparison between the Z1 and your previous two phones. I suggest the same approach, assigning your own scores and importances to come to your own conclusion.

Sorry to hijack the topic here but how does z1's camera compare to iPhone 5s' then? I was under the impression z1's was better even before the FW updates but after reading this thread I am not so sure..

fmmsf said:
Sorry to hijack the topic here but how does z1's camera compare to iPhone 5s' then? I was under the impression z1's was better even before the FW updates but after reading this thread I am not so sure..
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Yes, it's WAY better. I don't have the shots with me, but when we went on vacations, my Z1's pictures were always better than my wife's 5S's. The Z1 focuses better (and faster), isn't as noisy, and exposes much better on low light. Also, the 5S has an annoying tendency of keeping the flash on for 1-2 seconds while it focuses, while the Z1 does it way faster; that much time with the LED on makes the subjects uncomfortable, and spoils the images. Whenever we took pictures of the same scene on both phones, mine were better (so much better that most of hers were instantly deleted). I usually don't shoot videos, so I can't comment on video quality.

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Yes, it's WAY better. I don't have the shots with me, but when we went on vacations, my Z1's pictures were always better than my wife's 5S's. The Z1 focuses better (and faster), isn't as noisy, and exposes much better on low light. Also, the 5S has an annoying tendency of keeping the flash on for 1-2 seconds while it focuses, while the Z1 does it way faster; that much time with the LED on makes the subjects uncomfortable, and spoils the images. Whenever we took pictures of the same scene on both phones, mine were better (so much better that most of hers were instantly deleted). I usually don't shoot videos, so I can't comment on video quality.
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Ah, that's awesome! And how long does it take for the phone to bring up the camera app after you press the shutter button on the Z1? (That's a feature, right?)
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First, I'd like to say that I'm not trying to hate on Sony or bash them, just pointing out that what they call "the best of Sony" isn't exactly great or better than the competition, though I really just want to point out about the display and camera. I moved on from the Note 3 to the Z1 (lost my Note 3, wanted a good phone with a good camera for a low price so I got an Xperia Z1), and here's what I've noticed.
Display:
Well, there's no other way to say it: for a flagship phone, the Z1's display isn't that great. Viewing angles are poor, and viewing it at even small angles puts a whitish hue over it that just doesn't look good. It might be good for privacy, but otherwise it's plain to see that they're using an inferior IPS tech than other manufacturers. The Note 3 or the Nexus 5's displays are clearly much better, and so is the one on the HTC One from early 2013. I've heard that the Z1 Compact finally has a great screen among Sony devices, so that's great, but I feel that many Sony fans are clearly ignorant of how much greener the grass in on the other side when it comes to displays.
Camera
To be honest, this is the biggest disappointment I've had with the Z1. I don't know if Sony was focusing purely on lossless zoom when adding the 20MP camera, but when it comes to resolved detail and visible noise, the Note 3's camera was better despite no fancy tech and standard sensor. Sure, it has a 13MP camera while the Z1 takes photos at 8MP after downsampling, but in general its photos are clearer and more detailed. I've tried taking 20MP pics, and they just do not come out as great as one would expect (if they focused on lossless zoom, even that hasn't worked out well in general outdoor photos), and Sony has basically squandered a nice opportunity.
But on the flip side, I love some things about the camera. It's fast to open (mainly thanks to the camera button), it's smooth, and is quick to change modes, which helped a lot on my weekend trip with my family.) I don't like that HDR isn't a dedicated mode and is simply a switch when you select 8MP photos in Manual, but other than that, it's pretty good overall. In fact, the quickness and the shutter button are what make me ignore the fact that in quality I've come down to a noticeably not-so-great-at-capturing-detail camera (the Note 3 took ages to select modes, open the camera app, and open pictures.)
That's something that's true in Sony's software overall: it's beautiful, sleek, and quick and responsive. I do miss some features from the Note 3 (Multi-Window, Smart Stay (extremely useful when you can't be bothered touching the screen to keep it awake), some camera modes, and the better multitasking (my Z1 is abysmal at holding apps in memory, and not because it's just 2GB of RAM.) It feels good to use, and that's a pretty good thing.
But again, the screen and camera have let me down considerably. Again, on the flip side, I love the phone's build (though it's a bit too bulky, but then it is waterproof), and things like the lanyard slot and camera button (conveniences manufacturers have forgotten in their quest to copy and follow Apple since the first iPhone arrived on the market).
So in the end it's clear that "the best of Sony" just isn't the right thing to say when your tech is behind the competition in some things and just isn't as great as owners of flagship devices of the competition have become used to. The pricing is great, though, but I kinda don't think I'd want to save a few bucks next time I want a phone, not unless Sony focuses on making the hardware more complete regarding awesomeness.
Sorry for the rant, and again, I wasn't bashing, overall I like my Z1, just don't love it (yet)!
P.S.: My Galaxy Gear is also now sitting idle, but I guess we can blame Samsung for making its watch incompatible with other devices. It's a useful watch, but not in use anymore. There is a hack to make it work with others, I tried it with the Z1, but most stuff just doesn't work. So I guess I'll buy Sony's smartwatch next. :silly:
P.P.S.: I hope KitKat comes soon. I like that Sony takes time to test its software, but with Samsung and HTC moving pretty quick with KitKat despite having heavy skins, and Samsung has even managed to not introduce any quirky bugs (they disabled third-party accessories, but an update over the weekend reversed that), I really want KitKat to come quick. I want wireless printing support (Samsung had this even before KitKat, one of the few reasons I appreciate Samsung's bloat sometimes, it has some useful features), and it might also solve the issue of lack of RAM on the Z1, even if only a little bit.

This is what you do on Sunday afternoon? We know Z1 is not best like expected.

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This is what you do on Sunday afternoon? We know Z1 is not best like expected.
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It's Sunday night where I am, and I had to get my thoughts out there after using the Z1's camera extensively the last two days (I bought the phone on Thursday.)

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It's Sunday night where I am, and I had to get my thoughts out there after using the Z1's camera extensively the last two days (I bought the phone on Thursday.)
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Saturday Night? You should be in some club! ..ahah...just kidding...I know...I am really disappointed by the camera too....what I can surely said is that the problem of the camera quality is related to the Software, but I don't know if we will get better pictures. Many telling me that the Z1 make amazing pictures but mine is not fake and I still not get clear pictures like it should be. Full of Noise, and with Unlocked Bootloader get even worse.

I understand what you're saying, and you have valid points, but these type of complaints come up with every phone out there.
The HTC One has exactly the same Camera complaint that you do. The UltraPixel was a big disappointment for some. The thing about the Z1's camera is that it CAN be improved. The camera is actually extremely good if you use it in manual, and the pictures that come out are the best I've seen on an Android phone. Superior Auto is a bit of a mess though. That's a software problem, not hardware, so we hope kitKat can fix that.
The display is a valid complaint, but I feel head on it's better than the Note 3. The Z1 has one of the most color accurate screens out there, which I prefer over AMOLED oversaturation. The viewing angles personally for me isn't a problem but yes, it is a negative about this phone.
So in the end it's clear that "the best of Sony" just isn't the right thing to say when your tech is behind the competition in some things and just isn't as great as owners of flagship devices of the competition have become used to
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Well, the Z1 IS the best of Sony...not sure what you're trying to say. I still feel like the Z1 is one of the best phones out there. Although lacking in some parts, the overall package is hard to beat: Snapdragon 800 processor, great battery life, great camera (Yes the camera is still very very good, just not as good as advertised), and best of all premium feeling. There is really no other phone that has all that together in one package right now. The Note 3 is better in some respects but for me feels cheap, and that is a HUGE con for me that overshadows anything else. The Nexus 5 has meh battery life and camera. The HTC One has a meh camera and lower end specs. The Galaxy S4 is no longer talked about when discussing high-end phones.
The point is there's no 'perfect' phone, and I concede that the Z1 does have weaknesses, but so does every other electronic device out there

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First, I'd like to say that I'm not trying to hate on Sony or bash them, just pointing out that what they call "the best of Sony" isn't exactly great or better than the competition
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Uh huh.
My advice to you, since it appears you wrote this to practice the writing career you're hoping to have, is to consider other career options. You're not good at this.

learn to make the picture and you will find Z1 camera is great. all the comparatives with Note 3 and the other smartphones take Z1 on the top of Android world
display is very good. poor viewing angle are not a gap, but I can assume it is subjective.
when I watch photos and videos on Z1 display they are much nicer than on other displays.

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I understand what you're saying, and you have valid points, but these type of complaints come up with every phone out there.
The HTC One has exactly the same Camera complaint that you do. The UltraPixel was a big disappointment for some. The thing about the Z1's camera is that it CAN be improved. The camera is actually extremely good if you use it in manual, and the pictures that come out are the best I've seen on an Android phone. Superior Auto is a bit of a mess though. That's a software problem, not hardware, so we hope kitKat can fix that.
The display is a valid complaint, but I feel head on it's better than the Note 3. The Z1 has one of the most color accurate screens out there, which I prefer over AMOLED oversaturation. The viewing angles personally for me isn't a problem but yes, it is a negative about this phone.
Well, the Z1 IS the best of Sony...not sure what you're trying to say. I still feel like the Z1 is one of the best phones out there. Although lacking in some parts, the overall package is hard to beat: Snapdragon 800 processor, great battery life, great camera (Yes the camera is still very very good, just not as good as advertised), and best of all premium feeling. There is really no other phone that has all that together in one package right now. The Note 3 is better in some respects but for me feels cheap, and that is a HUGE con for me that overshadows anything else. The Nexus 5 has meh battery life and camera. The HTC One has a meh camera and lower end specs. The Galaxy S4 is no longer talked about when discussing high-end phones.
The point is there's no 'perfect' phone, and I concede that the Z1 does have weaknesses, but so does every other electronic device out there
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Not so sure about that ...
HTC has the best software updates ATM and fastest after Google.
It has the best low light camera + best smart flash with the 5 modes
Average daylight shots
best front cam with wide angle
The best mics hdr mics
The best speakers
The best headphones sound
It's the most quality phone
It has the best screen in overall
It has unmatched feel in the hand
Ir blaster
Ois
60 fps video + zoe + really working hdr video
BlinkFeed which is still unmatched with copies
Decent battery life
Great xda development
Most of these things aren't yet matched by the competition which is shame imo since htc one is 1 year old and it's still considered the best overall package phone even in 2014 and I doubt anything but HTC one 2 will surpass it which is only a month or two away.

A lot on that list are gimmicks and a few items there are disputable. If HTC were as ahead of everyone as you make them appear to be, then that's extremely incongruent to the terrible shape the company is in.

Another "OMG Sony why did you do this to me" thread.
Sony rules!!

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Not so sure about that ...
HTC has the best software updates ATM and fastest after Google.
It has the best low light camera + best smart flash with the 5 modes
Average daylight shots
best front cam with wide angle
The best mics hdr mics
The best speakers
The best headphones sound
It's the most quality phone
It has the best screen in overall
It has unmatched feel in the hand
Ir blaster
Ois
60 fps video + zoe + really working hdr video
BlinkFeed which is still unmatched with copies
Decent battery life
Great xda development
Most of these things aren't yet matched by the competition which is shame imo since htc one is 1 year old and it's still considered the best overall package phone even in 2014 and I doubt anything but HTC one 2 will surpass it which is only a month or two away.
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I don't want to get in a fight about whose phone is better, but everyone's got different preferences in a phone. A lot of the points you mentioned are opinions, and really can't be said in a comparison.
The most 'quality' phone and 'ummatched feel' is extremely subjective.
The Z1 is no less in quality than the HTC One and has as premium materials.
The Moto X and Z1 compact both have better feel, just because they're smaller.
Z1's battery life has been much better for me than HTC One in my experience.
Headphone sound is exactly the same for me. Beats is a gimmick and just a equalizer preset which I can also set on my Z1.
I will admit the HTC One's speakers is miles ahead of the Z1's and the display is better.
Camera as well is a lot better in the Z1 in daylight, but I remember you're the guy who wrote that HTC One vs Z1 camera test and I don't want to get in a fight again about that, so I won't go there. HTC One's better in low light, but the Z1 isn't that bad either.
The Z1's camera has a ton more features as well that are pretty cool to play around with. Gimmicks? Sure, but they're still fun. Also the Z1's viewfinder is much smoother.
All front facing cameras suck equally and don't believe there's a 'best' front facing camera.
edit: Oh, also concerning updates: This is the first time HTC have actually done well with updates. We'll see a year from now how they treat HTC One users. One X and One X+ users are stuck with official 4.2 while the Xperia T, which came out around the same time+, just got updated to 4.3. Sony might be slower at giving updates but they support their phones longer.
See, I just refuted half of your points. Of course you will disagree with me, but that's what's great about Android: everyone has different preferences and different opinions on what's the best. The HTC One is a fantastic phone and is my number 2 after the Z1, but it's still not the best for me. Nothing wrong with that.

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A lot on that list are gimmicks and a few items there are disputable. If HTC were as ahead of everyone as you make them appear to be, then that's extremely incongruent to the terrible shape the company is in.
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What exactly is gimmic ?
Ir blaster is very useful
Ois is very helpful in low light / movement or any other type of using the camera / 60 fps video is smooth as camera app on z1 and looks like you're looking thru the glass when watching an video / hdr video is awesome as well at low light , so is the zoe especially if you wanna take out some snaps after which are full sized , I forgot slow motion video as well which is fun tho.
Smart flash is very useful indeed and can take photos from 5cm in pitch black up to 10 meters , with the walls it can go even further
Stereo frontal speakers ...how is this a gimmic lol , anything you do on a phone sounds crazy good + loud + it hits you in the face.
Full metal body is always a good thing , it screams premium ...
Feel in the hand indeed is unmatched due metal + device shape
hdr mics pick up the sound you wouldn't believe that the phone is doing it.
I've forgot also talking via phone is unmatched as well , you get stereo sound + you can talk in super loud environment perfectly fine.
Headphones sound wouldn't be a gimmic as well lol ... Ppl just use that ...on daily bases ..
Software updates is definitely not an gimmic we all want fast and working updates ASAP ,which is not the case with the Sony , it's far from it.
Xda development for me personally is very important since I love to flash + the fact HTC one has about 9/10 times more development it's a must have for me.
The only gimmicky thing would be if you don't like the the BlinkFeed that'd be all which can be turned off.
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We have to open a thread " @@Shan89 VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
FIGHT!
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lol
I had Xperia z1 , camera sucked , phone was too hot and screen is utter **** , so I changed to HTC one for the same stuff you wrote here!

Honestly I am huge fan of HTC but actually I do not brought HTC One, which was cheaper, just because there is no micro SD Slot, and when Apps to SD will be available on Z1, or even Apk on internal and Data on SD on Custom Roms, I will not have regrets to have Z1.

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We have to open a thread " @@Shan89 VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
FIGHT!
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Nah mate it ain't fight Lol. I was just pointing that there are devices which are quite more complete. Of course I can't think of anything else besides z1 that comes equal to m7 pretty much all devices lack design and quality which both z1 and htc have.
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We have to open a thread " [MENTION=3721363 [user=4914682]@Shan89[/user][/MENTION] VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
FIGHT!
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No more fighting lol, just 2 guys who really love their phones alot . For me the HTC One and Z1 will always be the top of Android, with Samsung, LG and the rest way below. Sony and HTC have style along with awesome hardware.
edit: @Shan89 beat me to it

Came from the GSIII and this phone blows it out of the water, so I'm happy.
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I came from htc one to z1 for reasons like low battery camera quality purple tint issue and worst of all its easily breakable body which produced dents on a simple fall
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Shan89 said:
HTC has the best software updates "ATM" and fastest after Google.
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Coming from a T-Mobile HTC One S and being left hangin' with no further updates from 4.1 Jellbean...I jumped off their bandwagon and upgraded to the Sony Xperia Z1S.
I'm glad that HTC is finally wiling to support their top tier products, but a bit too late for me...HTC lost in my book.
The clear winner (for me) is Sony! :good:

Let me just first put it out there that I'm a loyal Sony guy. I've owned the Xperia TL, Xperia ZL, Xperia Z1 and now the Xperia Z3C.
With that said, I knew the Sony cameras took subpar pics, whether in full auto or manual mode, they just look bad. Add low light or indoor to the mix, and you've got what looks like a pic from a 2005 Nokia phone. Sorry, I know we all love our Xperias, but Sony should be ashamed of themselves for doing this, considering that they make awesome DSLRs and point and shoots.
So why am I being a rabble rouser all of a sudden? Well, I just got a Note 4 as my work phone and needless to say, I was blown away by the camera results. The differences are night and day between the two. Sadly, I'm supposed to be carrying my work phone just during work days, but I found myself leaving my Z3C at home and going out with the Note 4 this weekend, and you should see the pics I took.
I don't know if the lens is good but the software is bad on the Sony, but if there is any hope that Lollipop will make it better with RAW, I sure hope Sony takes advantage of it.

I agree. The camera of the Lumia 925 that I had, was much better than the camera's compact Z3.
To be honest, this camera does not please me one bit, outside the fact that it does not have optical image stabilizer.

Check the "post pictures that you have taken with your z3c" or something thread. Also, photos will naturally look better on amoled. Transfer your z3c pictures to Note 4 and then look at them again. Might seem better. I find both cameras great by the way
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I wouldn't say suck. I'd just say average.
If you buy this phone for the camera, you're doing it from the wrong direction.
It'd be like buying this phone for the 'best speakers on the market', when HTC One's are those.
The Z3C phone is the best for compact and power; it's a pocket rocket and that's what it specializes at first and foremost, second being its water proof-dust proof without being some rugged phone.
So why am I being a rabble rouser all of a sudden? Well, I just got a Note 4 as my work phone and needless to say, I was blown away by the camera results. The differences are night and day between the two. Sadly, I'm supposed to be carrying my work phone just during work days, but I found myself leaving my Z3C at home and going out with the Note 4 this weekend, and you should see the pics I took.
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If you're taking around a Note 4, then you're clearly weren't in for the Z3C's compact and pocket rocket in the first place, and you're now choosing the best camera in stead.

Please just tell me that you're comparing pictures on a PC.

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Please just tell me that you're comparing pictures on a PC.
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EXACTLY.
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You are comparing a quad HD display to a 720p. You're not comparing the camera performance. Just the display. I'd do the comparison again on a PC

I still don't understand what is wrong with Sony's compact camera ... my compact camera is taking great pictures :laugh:

No, I've been comparing the photos on my thunderbolt display, so no bias toward the Note 4's screen in any way.
And no, I'm not all sold on the Note 4, I still can't live without the compactness of my Z3C.
I will take identical photos from both phones today and post here.

Z3c camera doesn't suck, it's "just" above average.
The only other phone with superior camera that rivals Z3C's performance, size and specs is the iPhone 5s to be honest.
Samsung phones have the best cameras overall, but their devices aren't one-hand friendly.

If you want top notch pictures then you need to buy a decent camera.. For a mobile phone camera it does its job, I have no issues with it.
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pricey2009 said:
If you want top notch pictures then you need to buy a decent camera.. For a mobile phone camera it does its job, I have no issues with it.
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Try Lumia920. I still prefer it.

Compare any Nokia you want against an alpha 6000 (or any dslr or mirrorless camera).
Once you go big lenses and big sensors, you never go back.

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I still don't understand what is wrong with Sony's compact camera ... my compact camera is taking great pictures :laugh:
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I'm curious what's settings are you using?(mode, iso, etc)
Any tip to improve my photos?

XQC said:
Z3c camera doesn't suck, it's "just" above average.
The only other phone with superior camera that rivals Z3C's performance, size and specs is the iPhone 5s to be honest.
Samsung phones have the best cameras overall, but their devices aren't one-hand friendly.
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Pretty much this.
I see nothing but good things about Samsung's phones, but when they get smaller and remove those physical buttons, I'll consider grabbing one... which may be never since it's their signature.

cerberustri said:
I'm curious what's settings are you using?(mode, iso, etc)
Any tip to improve my photos?
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There is no universal recipe for taking good photos. All parameters are heavily dependant on the camera specs.
In my case, I'm taking usable photos even at ISO6400 and, with a size reduction afterwards, I can even go higher (12800).
The aperture is dependant on the lens you are using. A too large aperture will lead to blurry edges and soft images on cheap lenses. A too closed one will generate light fringing leading to artefacts. Then there is the focal length .... again, the lenses are behaving totally different.
It's all coming down to trial and error and understanding the limitations of your equipment.
And coming back on-topic, I would love to have full manual controls over the Z3C's camera (including long exposure and RAW data). That will allow for truly great photos with this tiny camera.

The most terrible thing I am concerned about is "soft skin" effect that seems to be always turned on.
See the discussion here: https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z3-Compact/Soft-Skin-effect/td-p/838361/highlight/false/page/4

ro_explorer said:
There is no universal recipe for taking good photos. All parameters are heavily dependant on the camera specs.
In my case, I'm taking usable photos even at ISO6400 and, with a size reduction afterwards, I can even go higher (12800).
The aperture is dependant on the lens you are using. A too large aperture will lead to blurry edges and soft images on cheap lenses. A too closed one will generate light fringing leading to artefacts. Then there is the focal length .... again, the lenses are behaving totally different.
It's all coming down to trial and error and understanding the limitations of your equipment.
And coming back on-topic, I would love to have full manual controls over the Z3C's camera (including long exposure and RAW data). That will allow for truly great photos with this tiny camera.
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I think, he thought you took the picture of the camera, with your Z3C. And so, was asking what settings you had on your phone to make the picture of the camera look so good compared to his.

ogyct said:
The most terrible thing I am concerned about is "soft skin" effect that seems to be always turned on.
See the discussion here: https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z3-Compact/Soft-Skin-effect/td-p/838361/highlight/false/page/4
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Yeah. It's still not fixed in lollipop update.
I just don't understand why they don't fix this bug. It's a simple thing to fix i think, and because of that, front camera isn't useable at all!!

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I think, he thought you took the picture of the camera, with your Z3C. And so, was asking what settings you had on your phone to make the picture of the camera look so good compared to his.
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Actually I took that picture with the z3c just to show what I'm actually using to take photos . The phones camera was on auto but, the camera itself is only part of the picture. There is also framing and there is also light.
BTW, these are a bunch of samples captured today, on manual mode, with z3c running lollipop (for who is interested). In my opinion the quality of the camera is pretty low but still, usable in case of emergency.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B08eVSlv8mIUNnBTcTc5YmlHcVk/view?usp=sharing
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