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Display - Pretty good but not nearly as great as the iPad's.. nor is it as bright as the iPad. Pixel density looks A LOT like the iPad.. I can't really say the Xoom is any sharper than the iPad.. Whites look much better on the iPad.. they definately have a much higher color gamut and contrast ratio on the iPad. This is disappointing considering how much the Xoom costs off-contract. The Xoom screen looks nearly identical to what Samsung uses on their Galaxy Tab 7". Viewing angles are "decent" but again, not as good as iPad. I would say they are using a cheap PVA type panel, not IPS on this unit. PVA is still much better than TN at least.
Weight - Same weight as iPad.. so to me, it feels too heavy for it's size... but I think the Xoom is much easier to hang onto/hold because of it's widescreen nature'd body.
Speed - Depending on apps I guess.. or how optimized they are.. Angry Birds Seasons (the tablet version) runs like crap compared to Angry Birds on my Galaxy Tab.. not sure why.. Web browsing is a real treat.. Definately renders web sites faster than the iPad.. content is ready to explore at a much faster pace.. However, scrolling isn't as nice as it is on the iPad.. I don't know why Android can't get scrolling anywhere near iOS's Safari. Scrolling is choppy and clunky depending on how many pictures are needed to be shown on the screen at one time. Quadrant scores LOWER than my Galaxy Tab.. Could be Quadrant's not optimized well enough for the Tegra2 platform.
Battery Life - I will have to edit this in later.. my Xoom came out of the box with 77% life..
Interface/UI - I actually like Honeycombs UI.. the quick-softkeys are delightful to use.. especially to multitask with.. Flying between apps is instantaneous and snappy.. much faster than iPad's multitasking.
Speakers - Horrible placement.. they project all sound away from you being on the rear of the device when you're holding the Xoom.. so everybody else hears MORE than what you're hearing.. Otherwise they sound pretty good.. I would say as good as iPad.. and even louder.
Data Connectivity - Verizon 3g on the Xoom FLIES.. I've gotten over 2mb down and over 1mb up.. the modem chip inside the Xoom must be pretty exceptional.. my Galaxy S phone (also on Verizon) barely gets over 1mb down and about 600-700kbps up. Wifi on the other hand seems weak.. my connection is constantly dropping to my home's Wifi connection.. and the Wifi router is just 1 room away :/
Interesting Tid-Bits
The built-in "Chrome" Browser is GPU accelerated.. resulting in much smoother/faster rendering/scrolling.. When installing a 3rd party Browser like Dolphin HD, the web browsing experience plummets, which reminds you of your first Android powered phone and browser.. slow rendering and horrible, choppy scrolling. So with this said, if an app isn't taking advantage of the Tegra2 SOC, don't expect much performance.. this probably also explains the crappy framerates you get when running Quadrant.
I'll post more later.. going back to playing with the Xoom.
the ac adapter ... does it support the european voltages (between 220-240 volt)
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the ac adapter ... does it support the european voltages (between 220-240 volt)
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The AC adapter says this:
Input: 100-240V~50/60hz 0.6A
Output: 12V --- 1.5A
Hey Diversion, have you noticed any Force Closes, I wouldn't say an abnormal amount, but anything significant since you've been using it?
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Hey Diversion, have you noticed any Force Closes, I wouldn't say an abnormal amount, but anything significant since you've been using it?
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I had a few in the browser, but i had about 5 tabs open of nothing buy pictures.
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Hey Diversion, have you noticed any Force Closes, I wouldn't say an abnormal amount, but anything significant since you've been using it?
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Nope, not a single Force Close yet today.. The first time I opened the Market it said my Market was "Out of date" but after closing out and going back in, all was well.
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I had a few in the browser, but i had about 5 tabs open of nothing buy pictures.
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I haven't gone more than 2 tabs in the browser so far.. i'll open a lot more windows and see if I can get mine to FC.
Thanks buddy, I appreciate it. So far i'm imperssed, honestly. I think it's a solid device. Worth 800 bucks? Probably not, but over 18 months, what the hell, I can afford to be an early adopter. I may invest in an anti glare screen. I can't tell if it's so nice looking that its glassy, or so poorly implemented that its a glare magnent, lol.
Either way, i'm happy with my investment, and I really hope google puts a lot of attention to fixing bugs and any other issues with Honeycomb.
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Thanks buddy, I appreciate it. So far i'm imperssed, honestly. I think it's a solid device. Worth 800 bucks? Probably not, but over 18 months, what the hell, I can afford to be an early adopter. I may invest in an anti glare screen. I can't tell if it's so nice looking that its glassy, or so poorly implemented that its a glare magnent, lol.
Either way, i'm happy with my investment, and I really hope google puts a lot of attention to fixing bugs and any other issues with Honeycomb.
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It's just as glossy as the iPad/Galaxy Tab (I own both).. I was in my car using my Xoom in a parking lot.. and it was just badddd.. sun glaring in my eyes lol.. But I expected that.
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It's just as glossy as the iPad/Galaxy Tab (I own both).. I was in my car using my Xoom in a parking lot.. and it was just badddd.. sun glaring in my eyes lol.. But I expected that.
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I can agree with that, I don't know.. It doesn't outweigh the pros as of yet. The main thing that i'm eager to test at this point is the Battery, and some of the dual core optimized games and what not. What about you? Are you looking for anything in particular? Any other experience you can comment on? So far, by the way, tethering to my droid x is working phenomenally.
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I can agree with that, I don't know.. It doesn't outweigh the pros as of yet. The main thing that i'm eager to test at this point is the Battery, and some of the dual core optimized games and what not. What about you? Are you looking for anything in particular? Any other experience you can comment on? So far, by the way, tethering to my droid x is working phenomenally.
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What I'm really looking for is a Tablet with an alternative OS (anything not Windows) with great battery life and gives me the tools to be as productive as a netbook.. Far reaching goals im sure though.
Does honeycomb have an easy way for selecting in the middle of sentences / words? I know the IPad has a magnify glass come up when you hold your finger near a word so that you can see exactly where the cursor is, does honeycomb do something similar? Also, how is the copy/paste in honeycomb? I know on my 2.3 phone, it's not that great and hard to select exactly what you want.
you able to find google body app... cant find it on market and it's not preinstalled???
Can you try viewing streaming websites on WiFi (justin.tv or ustream.tv) and see how the tablet handles higher quality streams?
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you able to find google body app... cant find it on market and it's not preinstalled???
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I was wondering the same thing.
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Hey Diversion, have you noticed any Force Closes, I wouldn't say an abnormal amount, but anything significant since you've been using it?
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The only one that I've seen so far is when trying to run "Remote Desktop Client" by Xtralogic. No dice so far, so I'll have to keep a look out for a Xoom-Approved RDP client
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Does honeycomb have an easy way for selecting in the middle of sentences / words? I know the IPad has a magnify glass come up when you hold your finger near a word so that you can see exactly where the cursor is, does honeycomb do something similar? Also, how is the copy/paste in honeycomb? I know on my 2.3 phone, it's not that great and hard to select exactly what you want.
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When you click the words a little pointer comes up, drag it were you want it.
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schnoz said:
Does honeycomb have an easy way for selecting in the middle of sentences / words? I know the IPad has a magnify glass come up when you hold your finger near a word so that you can see exactly where the cursor is, does honeycomb do something similar? Also, how is the copy/paste in honeycomb? I know on my 2.3 phone, it's not that great and hard to select exactly what you want.
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I have no experience with Android 2.3.. but there seems to be a pretty nice/decent cut and paste built in.. I haven't used it yet.
I have had an iPad since july of last year, sold it yesterday in prepartion for the Xoom purchase today. Walked into Verizon purchased the Xoom and walked right out no hassle, no activation required. Here my Mini Review so far, with some comparisons to my previous 32gb ipad.
Hardware:
Nice heft, feels really solid and has that industrial feel. I do not feel I am going to drop it because it slips out of my hand... i always felt that way when holding an ipad.
its a 16:10 screen so it is wider than it is long. Should be perfect for movies.
Screen is a finger print magnet like ipad.
Software:
Gmail- is incredible on this thing. Drag and drop, color labels, etc. the workflow with gmail is priceless and so fluid. I cannot speak of the general "email" app because i only use gmail.
youtube- way way faster loading videos on this than it was on the ipad. it has some eye candy, which is always nice.. esp for android.
browser- Browser is great! and it loads pages faster than my ipad did. also it has tabs and THEY DO NOT RELOAD ON SWITCHING!! I had 8 tabs open... flipping through them flawlessly! As always using google account you can sync bookmarks and such between desktop and xoom.
Havent tried the music app yet
The gallery is like your standard vanilla android gallery.. loaded all my picasa pics from the cloud.
Other apps- there are very few "tablet apps" in the market. The 2 I did DL was pulse and accuweather. Pulse was pretty basic but did take advantage of the fragments. Accuweather is slick... but they need to polish up some pixelation i saw tapping the background "live" water.
Apps like facebook and kindle scale up nicely. While some apps dont like the speedtest app.
Speaking of speed test, i did a load on my wifi connection at 15mbps down and 3 up and i pull 14mbps down and 2 up. My ipad could never pull above 10mbps. I also noticed my signal holding strong than it did on my ipad.
Workflow is great!! This is what i have been missing on ipad... background task, unintrustive notifications.
Thats all I have right now... so far I am liking the decision i made. But i know i will be missing my apps the ipad had!!! Android cant match it yet... it will take some time.
If Xoom battery life is anything like G Tablets (Also Tegra 2) it should have pretty damn good battery Life
First, let me tell you, I really love Google and Android. I would never buy an iDevice because - well - I don't love Apple.
After watching all YouTube videos and reading all rare tests, I was very excited about the Galaxy Tab 7.7. Nice specs, super speedy, great display, etc...
Today I got it - more or less by accident - and with full of expectations I turned it on to show it to my colleagues. In the videos I saw every device jerking and stuttering and I thought: ok, all these widgets and live wallpaper - I will remove them and then this thing will fly!
Fly? Pfff.... "Smooth" is a foreign word for this device. Even with NO widgets on the screen and only some icons on one page the old Transformer TF101 is faster and a lot smoother! Hell, even my 2 years old single core HTC Desire is a rocket compared to it! I can't believe, that Samsung is not able to get a halfway smooth experience with a dualcore, 1.4Ghz CPU!
As I told you, I don't love Apple, but they get a super smooth experience on a 600 to 800 Mhz, 4 years old device while I NEVER saw this on ANY Android device. If you are honest and compare these 2 systems, Apple has done just a better job performance wise.
I don't think the hardware is not able to render menus, zooms and lists smoothly. Google has to improve it. Samsung did its job by adding the ugly touchwiz, which brought the performance down to zero.
A guy wrote on his blog, that Android will never be smooth, because of its system. It just can't be. Never. Google has to rewrite the code to get it smooth.
It's just awkward if you present your iColleagues the "new best device" on the market just to be laughed at when everything stutters. Pfff... I really hope that Google makes performance the number 1 priority in future Android versions so no iDiots can laugh at one. That's really awkward and I'm really disappointed...
Maybe I exaggerate now, and to be honest there are more important things in life. But it's just sad, that after years Google is not able to make it smooth like Apple had it from the beginning. Apple has done nothing than taking existing things, put them together and make them smooth with an eye for the detail. This I'm missing in Android. An eye for the detail.
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Fly? Pfff.... "Smooth" is a foreign word for this device. Even with NO widgets on the screen and only some icons on one page the old Transformer TF101 is faster and a lot smoother! Hell, even my 2 years old single core HTC Desire is a rocket compared to it! I can't believe, that Samsung is not able to get a halfway smooth experience with a dualcore, 1.4Ghz CPU!
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I think you might have received a defective unit. I have a TF101 and the new Tab 7.7 sitting in front of me right now, and when the TF101 is set to it's stock max clock of 1ghz I can notice a slightly faster response from the Tab 7.7.
It's not a big difference, but it's there. Perhaps you were comparing your stock clocked Tab 7.7 @ 1.4GHZ to a 1.6GHZ overclocked TF101?
If you really want to wow your friends, search for 1080p in youtube (or download from Nvidia) and play the Nvidia PureVideo HD 1080p Test on multiple devices at the same time. It is mind boggling how much better the colors look/pop on the Tab 7.7's AMOLED display. (Yes, I know that the screen is only 1280x800 and therefore scaling)
Oh, and that blog post you are talking about. It's from a bygone Google intern.
I did some benchmarking:
Quadrant: 4088
Smartbench 2012: Productivity: 2692, Gaming: 1719
CF-Bench: 12622,2470,6530
Linpack: Single: ~53, Multi: ~85
So, these results are great and I don't think my Tab is defect (my TF101 was stock btw.). But what I mean is user experience. Videos are great looking and video performance is also impressive, but I rarely watch videos (I use my 12"Lenovo x201 Tablet for this) and benchmarks don't count for real world usage. I always get micro stutters and REALLY bad is the performance when adding widgets (I mean really bad!) or going into the app drawer. There is nothing to hide. I don't think that the hardware is the cause for that. It's just software.
And you are right, the blog I was talking about was from an Ex-Google guy. But if we are honest, he is right - Goolge has to improve user experience to compete with others (WP7 is also smoother with less CPU power for example). I don't mind if that means breaking things - if everyone is excited and buys devices, the devs will surely rewrite the apps. Or make a (slow) compatibility mode or something like this. For now Android grew because of its price - it would be fine, if it would grow because of user experience imho...
I hope ICS will improve it. A lot...
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I did some benchmarking:
Quadrant: 4088
Smartbench 2012: Productivity: 2692, Gaming: 1719
CF-Bench: 12622,2470,6530
Linpack: Single: ~53, Multi: ~85
So, these results are great and I don't think my Tab is defect (my TF101 was stock btw.). But what I mean is user experience. Videos are great looking and video performance is also impressive, but I rarely watch videos (I use my 12"Lenovo x201 Tablet for this) and benchmarks don't count for real world usage. I always get micro stutters and REALLY bad is the performance when adding widgets (I mean really bad!) or going into the app drawer. There is nothing to hide. I don't think that the hardware is the cause for that. It's just software.
And you are right, the blog I was talking about was from an Ex-Google guy. But if we are honest, he is right - Goolge has to improve user experience to compete with others (WP7 is also smoother with less CPU power for example). I don't mind if that means breaking things - if everyone is excited and buys devices, the devs will surely rewrite the apps. Or make a (slow) compatibility mode or something like this. For now Android grew because of its price - it would be fine, if it would grow because of user experience imho...
I hope ICS will improve it. A lot...
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I tried adding a widget to my screen and I did notice stuttering the first time, however every time I added a widget after that was very smooth. I haven't noticed any stuttering while going into the app drawer.
When you talk about Google competing with others like WP7, what do you mean? Android's only real competition at this point is iOS:
http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/09/ios-marketshare-up-from-26-in-q3-to-43-in-octnov-2011/
Also, your comment about Android growing because of it's price is a rather simplified view. If price were truly the reason for it's growth then why do the majority of people (in the UK at least) choose to purchase one of the most expensive variants of Android hardware?
http://www.mobileburn.com/16862/news/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-is-top-selling-android-smartphone-in-uk
I want to see Android grow just as much as you do, but I don't seem to have the same disdain that you do for its current iteration.
I would agree with you to some extent. I was slightly disappointed too when I first turned it on. I was thinking why in hell such a great hardware is so logy? I think TW and HC but specifically TW makes the whole experience awkward. So as with my other Samsung android devices, I got rid of TW and installed AWD launcher. The experience is totally different. 7.7 is now smooth and fast and just works great.
Just give me a larger font, so I can read!!
+1. I have had absolutely no worries with response time, lag, videos, hang ups, stutters, app drawer response, etc. My only problem is I can read my 5.3" Note a heck of a lot easier than my 7.7" Tab. Now if ICS fixes that, I am good to go. I am very critical, and yes, Android does need to consolidate and be sure when they release updates, etc., they function as well as the iGuys do (don't like i) I don't use TW at all, never have, beyond the first 30 minutes, currently using ADWLauncher EX, extremely fast, reliable........
Everyone has their opinion, and I respect all, just I have found the 7.7 to be everything as advertised, only if I could read the text on the bloody thing!!
Please, no suggestions to increase font, anyway or anyhow, I have tried all and if you do this, you affect that, not worthy of discussion. ICS may resolve, at least, I am hopeful.
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Everyone has their opinion, and I respect all, just I have found the 7.7 to be everything as advertised, only if I could read the text on the bloody thing!!
Please, no suggestions to increase font, anyway or anyhow, I have tried all and if you do this, you affect that, not worthy of discussion. ICS may resolve, at least, I am hopeful.
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I agree, the application name font in particular is quite small. Thankfully this should be fixed in ICS.
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system." - http://www.android.com/about/ice-cream-sandwich/
Perfect
Thanks for the specific quote:
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system."
Now, when will we get ICS, so we all can standardize our experience to each of our needs.
Thanks.
I'm looking to replace my 10.1 with one of these tabs. I will say that after running CM9 on my 10.1, anyone who is annoyed with performance the stock ROM has will love the difference should someone maintain CM9 for this device.
Performance is night and day on CM9. There are couple things keeping me from buying this right now and that's the fact that 32gb+ versions aren't available and that I question CM9 support for this tab. I think CM support will come eventually, so that's not the biggest factor holding me back of the two.
I'm positive once people are free from stock they can see just how well this tab will perform.
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Honestly, this is kind of tiresome. Why bother with calling people iPeople and making it some kind of battle? You didn't invent anything so why act like it's somehow your technology versus theirs? People like their iPads and that's fine.
But I think you maybe should've at least checked the performance of the video you were going to display prior to show & tell time so this embarrassing scene didn't have to happen.
I just posted up a video that is slightly in response to this topic. Have a look! And while you're at it, check out my other vids!
hudl
I'm sympathetic to what you are saying. (See earlier discussion in thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1464192; Jade Eye Wolf's long reply has been quite helpful to me.)
Couple of questions:
1. Does using a different launcher make any difference to the subjective experience? (E.g., using ADW EX or GO Launcher EX instead of Touchwiz.) My own experience is definitely much better with ADW and GO (I settled eventually on this) than with Touchwiz, widgets and all.
2. What are the properties of the video you were playing. Could it be that it was encoded at an overly high rate? How does the same video play on the Asus? Could there be some codec issue?
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I just posted up a video that is slightly in response to this topic. Have a look! And while you're at it, check out my other vids!
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For those who aren't interested in the hma5000 "slimstick" bluetooth handset, here is a link to the clip of his video that talks specifically about the Tab 7.7's performance, or you can skip to 3:30 manually.
http://youtu.be/8OHZbPv1Tsc?t=3m30s
Thanks for the video Jade Eyed Wolf, adwex looks to be very very fast on this device.
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Thanks for the specific quote:
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system."
Now, when will we get ICS, so we all can standardize our experience to each of our needs.
Thanks.
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You're welcome.
hudl said:
I did some benchmarking:
Quadrant: 4088
Smartbench 2012: Productivity: 2692, Gaming: 1719
CF-Bench: 12622,2470,6530
Linpack: Single: ~53, Multi: ~85
So, these results are great and I don't think my Tab is defect (my TF101 was stock btw.). But what I mean is user experience. Videos are great looking and video performance is also impressive, but I rarely watch videos (I use my 12"Lenovo x201 Tablet for this) and benchmarks don't count for real world usage. I always get micro stutters and REALLY bad is the performance when adding widgets (I mean really bad!) or going into the app drawer. There is nothing to hide. I don't think that the hardware is the cause for that. It's just software.
And you are right, the blog I was talking about was from an Ex-Google guy. But if we are honest, he is right - Goolge has to improve user experience to compete with others (WP7 is also smoother with less CPU power for example). I don't mind if that means breaking things - if everyone is excited and buys devices, the devs will surely rewrite the apps. Or make a (slow) compatibility mode or something like this. For now Android grew because of its price - it would be fine, if it would grow because of user experience imho...
I hope ICS will improve it. A lot...
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Just change your launcher... Yes TW launcher sucks, whatever the HW. And yes Samsung is to blame for this
The article you mention, even though quite interesting is from an ex Google INTERN... Not exactly a top gun either... even if he may be a very smart person
Anyway I can tell you: I have an original Tab, ie rather old HW and under BOCA ROM with Launcher Pro I don't get any stutter, even with many widgets (Oh and my Quadrant score after overclock is pretty close to yours ehehe. 3900ish)
Hopefully upcoming firmwares will fix your issue. But then again just changing your launcher should do the trick
TouchWiz is THE SUCK and absolutely evil! Honestly my Nook Color with its single core CPU felt faster with its optimized CM7 build.. I have used a Prime and there is no comparison. Everything is slower on the Tab but I think changing the launcher will help.
An obvious indication of the slow response is when you press the power button to wake the Tab up from sleep, the screen doesn't come on instantaneously. I mean WTF is up with THAT?
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HoneyComb + touchwiz are SLOW!!!
Tried all sort of different launchers, seems like they are working better then stock... which REALLY REALLY SUCKS!!!
Anyhow, waiting for a proper ICS release, maybe that one will have a better launcher and will work better...
Have a nice day,
SK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rha2jJXCy8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUaurAFNrrA
It is also explained and showed on this unboxing and walk through video.. Im not really sure if its TW or Andriod causing the lag but im hoping its just TW.
EDIT:
After watching JadeEye's post its now conclusive that its just TW.
Excellent
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Thanks for the specific quote:
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system."
Now, when will we get ICS, so we all can standardize our experience to each of our needs.
Thanks.
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My eyes like a slightly bigger dpi settings, I would like 380 or something.
I can read my Note fine, but for the Galaxy 7.7, which I still need to find
a dealer for, I'd like to know if higher DPI is possible..
THat is.. until we get some icream and I can just size the font
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My eyes like a slightly bigger dpi settings, I would like 380 or something.
I can read my Note fine, but for the Galaxy 7.7, which I still need to find
a dealer for, I'd like to know if higher DPI is possible..
THat is.. until we get some icream and I can just size the font
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that would require you to either shrink the screen or increase the resolution 4 times.
none possible at the moment
I just need text to be bigger throughout the whole operating system and applications.
Up close my eyes are 80%, which I think sucks. So i always bought the biggest
screen that comes with a phone. So after enjoying the note for a month, i heared about the 7.7 and now want/need that/.
Hi All,
So I'm going to speak about my Story in Smartphone and all my disappointments about the Sony Xperia Z. I was a Iphone User since the first one. I bought the Iphone 1 , 3G , 4 , 4S and my last one the 5. After reading a lot about Android, I decided to change and find a good phone on Android. So at this time XZ was the best with Quad Core Processor and 2 Go of Ram. I was sure that the phone will be incredibly fast! I bought a Galaxy Tab 2 before and even with Cynogen Mod it was horrible!!
So I bought my xperia Z, I was very Happy about Android, lot a personalization, beautiful etc until I see the real performance of the device....
I had a Micro-lag each time I'm scrolling between desktop with the base launcher xperia... Impossible I tought.. and no really it was micro-lag... So I decided to try Nova launcher and now hoo a little better but each time after unlocking the phone a microlag appear again when scrolling..
So After try a lot of launcher and same problem on each launcher except one! TSF Shell was the only fluid launcher... And it's the one with the 3D animations.. Weird....
So I was a little more happy but after that I decided to check performance in games.. So I install Real Racing 3 and hoo working fine but no fast as my Ipad Mini who are supposed to more 2x less powerfull... and the graphic was better too on ipad mini.. and the FPS was not good at all.
Then I tried Asphalt 7 Heat , and same problems... not perfectly fluid , I'm sure I have max 40FPS..... and the graphics are far from the quality of my ipad..
When I play 10 min the phone beginning to heat heat heat until 42 ° ... The Heat control service launch his process and powerdown the CPU... Great!!!
So I like Android.. It's a great OS , I liked it. I didn't want to change but those points disappoint me a lot... Why the base launcher is not running well? I don't even see the difference of performance between the old Galaxy Tab 2 and the XZ... and then why it's the most ressources launcher who are the most fluid one?
The Last thing is the MediaServer, it's running all the time and feed with half of my battery and I don't even know why... probably indexing media but it's everyday and when I check the CPU during the running of this process it's even more than 10% so why the battery is used so much?
Thanks a lot all for your help and excuse my poor bad english
You can deactivate certain applications like your app that are running medias.
And if you decide if a phone is good or not only for homescreen lag (iOS even hasn't one) or heat performance playing games why did you choose Android?
Oh and i'm sorry for the heat control service that powerdowns your cpu saving it.
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You can deactivate certain applications like your app that are running medias.
And if you decide if a phone is good or not only for homescreen lag (iOS even hasn't one) or heat performance playing games why did you choose Android?
Oh and i'm sorry for the heat control service that powerdowns your cpu saving it.
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If you read everything I didn't juge android cause of that. I put a lot of Argument.
And then so you tell me that Scrolling between desktop is laggy on all android devices? and u said also that all android device heat? That's wierd
Ah, yet another repetitive thread that should have been in the troubleshooting section with all the other same threads.
Sent from my gorgeous White Xperia Z
Nope, just sony having problems with no smooth launchers (every xperia i had)
Sent from my LT26i
Sad to hear that you are experiencing poor problems with your device.
But first and foremost, do not compare the performance in gaming with the Idevices, because the way the games are made is often very different per platform. A lot of these games are made with idevice in mind, so the developers have put a lot of emphasis on the develophment there, so comparing framerates and else is like comparing apples and oranges.... We know that don't work that well.
Regarding the heat; in my ecperience every processor gets warm after intensive usage, and gaming is intensive. So yeah, a processor can become a hothead in that situation. Is like playing Far Cry 3 on Hires on a PC, and not expecting the GPU to run a bit hot....Kind of makes sense....
I have the same phone. And yes it is not perfect, but no phone is. Luckily I do not have any issues, but I guess the issues that people are experiencing now, might or will be resolved with the hopefully coming firmware.
I'm not a fan of any brand, I just get allergic reactions fro idevices. If for some reason you are not happy with the phone, return it and get another before it is too late to do that. And get another one. I mean brand. Or stay with your iphone 5.:laugh:
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Sad to hear that you are experiencing poor problems with your device.
But first and foremost, do not compare the performance in gaming with the Idevices, because the way the games are made is often very different per platform. A lot of these games are made with idevice in mind, so the developers have put a lot of emphasis on the develophment there, so comparing framerates and else is like comparing apples and oranges.... We know that don't work that well.
Regarding the heat; in my ecperience every processor gets warm after intensive usage, and gaming is intensive. So yeah, a processor can become a hothead in that situation. Is like playing Far Cry 3 on Hires on a PC, and not expecting the GPU to run a bit hot....Kind of makes sense....
I have the same phone. And yes it is not perfect, but no phone is. Luckily I do not have any issues, but I guess the issues that people are experiencing now, might or will be resolved with the hopefully coming firmware.
I'm not a fan of any brand, I just get allergic reactions fro idevices. If for some reason you are not happy with the phone, return it and get another before it is too late to do that. And get another one. I mean brand. Or stay with your iphone 5.:laugh:
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No like I said , I choose this one cause I wanted to switch to android Iphone is good but too lock.. The problem is that I don't have any heating with the Iphone 5 even playing game. Here with the sony, it heat so much that I don't even be able to touch it..
I really hope an update will come to solve all this
Every Quadcore phone is heating up a lot during playing games. That's not a Sony issue
Don't forget that the iPhone only has 1136x640 pixels vs 1920x1080 of the XZ, plus not all applications/games are optimized for fullhd.
This Linux version is known for this, the next version in JB 4.2.2 is much smoother and designed for higher specked devices. As Renzo4000 points out 1080p is new and nothing is ready for this properly yet, only been out for about 3 months on any phone, so obviously nothing has been optimised for that. And most stupid games etc just scale to fit the screen because they are not made for that resolution, I am sure you know if you enlarge photo's or anything beyond 100% it pixelises etc
Secondly once you unlock the boot loader and install optimised Roms the system will fly.
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This Linux version is known for this, the next version in JB 4.2.2 is much smoother and designed for higher specked devices. As Renzo4000 points out 1080p is new and nothing is ready for this properly yet, only been out for about 3 months on any phone, so obviously nothing has been optimised for that. And most stupid games etc just scale to fit the screen because they are not made for that resolution, I am sure you know if you enlarge photo's or anything beyond 100% it pixelises etc
Secondly once you unlock the boot loader and install optimised Roms the system will fly.
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Thanks! That's maybe a beginning of an answer So We just need to wait for the 4.2.2 Hope soon
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This Linux version is known for this, the next version in JB 4.2.2 is much smoother and designed for higher specked devices. As Renzo4000 points out 1080p is new and nothing is ready for this properly yet, only been out for about 3 months on any phone, so obviously nothing has been optimised for that. And most stupid games etc just scale to fit the screen because they are not made for that resolution, I am sure you know if you enlarge photo's or anything beyond 100% it pixelises etc
Secondly once you unlock the boot loader and install optimised Roms the system will fly.
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this one...
sony is first fullhd android device... even tabs were 1280x720..
so software has to be optmized, for example, i have a strategic game (majesty) wich has serious problems in menu (everything becomes unstable) and game interface is too small...
or i tried another game (don't remember wich one) wich started in a window with black borders...
same goes for microlags, new kernel is much more optimized for s4 architecture , so we have to wait a couple of weeks... a friend of mine with nexus 4 had changes equal to day/night going to 4.2.2 even battery performance was much better
you can even block some apps (for example if you have a branded phone, you can have some bloatware)
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this one...
sony is first fullhd android device... even tabs were 1280x720..
so software has to be optmized, for example, i have a strategic game (majesty) wich has serious problems in menu (everything becomes unstable) and game interface is too small...
or i tried another game (don't remember wich one) wich started in a window with black borders...
same goes for microlags, new kernel is much more optimized for s4 architecture , so we have to wait a couple of weeks... a friend of mine with nexus 4 had changes equal to day/night going to 4.2.2 even battery performance was much better
you can even block some apps (for example if you have a branded phone, you can have some bloatware)
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Ok So the problem is really the old version 4.1.2 so I need to wait for the 4.2.2 or Flash with Cynogen ROM FXperia but losing my warranty Can't wait for this update So after this update the system will fly I suppose Yeaaah because , I like Android, I like the XZ , it's the only problem
XZ runs now on 4.1.2 and 3.4 kernel. The 4.2.2 update should also bring a new kernel, 3.6. sony XZ will be the first phone with 3.6 kernel.
4.2.2 together with the 3.6 kernel is way better optimised for the hardware etc in the XZ. 1080p is quite new so nothing is optimized yet, like posted before
Also, I don't have lag in Sony launvher, removed the weather widget, added some tweaks and all is really smooth now
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XZ runs now on 4.1.2 and 3.4 kernel. The 4.2.2 update should also bring a new kernel, 3.6. sony XZ will be the first phone with 3.6 kernel.
4.2.2 together with the 3.6 kernel is way better optimised for the hardware etc in the XZ. 1080p is quite new so nothing is optimized yet, like posted before
Also, I don't have lag in Sony launvher, removed the weather widget, added some tweaks and all is really smooth now
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It Depend me I have micro lags when scrolling between desktops. Now when launching applications I have no lags. It's really like the screen don't follow instructions.
right, take off the weather widget, photo widget and the lag in home disappear
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right, take off the weather widget, photo widget and the lag in home disappear
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The problem is that update coming out only at the end of April Wait then
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The problem is that update coming out only at the end of April Wait then
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Just announced, Apple is going through the same sort of issues with app/game quality as I mentioned earlier. Things not being built for the higher res screens...
http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/21/apple-sets-a-may-1st-cutoff-for-app-submissions-that-use-udid/
I really dont have lags on my apex and nova and i kepping those both open..and no overheat problem like you said ..yeah it heat but not that it annoys me to dont touch...
I have a friend who has an ip5 after facebooking via data for 10 min...you know what happend? It really heat up more than the way your describing the heating up of the z...he is apple dependent and no way on the earth that he change phone from apple...he has apple phone since the verry first
But this this time he addmit that something is messed up
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Just announced, Apple is going through the same sort of issues with app/game quality as I mentioned earlier. Things not being built for the higher res screens...
http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/21/apple-sets-a-may-1st-cutoff-for-app-submissions-that-use-udid/
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There's something to be said for the power of Apple regarding getting things fixed, android doesn't have that kind of app compliance
I've been reading for quite awhile because I got myself one (it's still on the way to me, so no hands on yet). I got it mainly because it's a Nexus and I'm done with those 3rd modifications on top of vanilla.
However, I'm getting really mixed comments from all of you guys. Some said it's really nice, some said it's the worst tablet. Although things are always going back to people's own preference but from what I read, 4.2.2 did give lotsa headaches to users mainly because of leaked memory and so.
So users, can you give me your truthful comments from both pros and cons? I can only get the device by next week and after that, it will be my time to list out my very own pros and cons.
Thanks and cheers!
Nexus4 modded with cyanogen.
Yeah, you better cancel your order because some random a holes on the internet did not like something.
Well, the problem is, I can't. Plus, I'm still quite skeptical about the reboots and I have faith that it will be fixed with the update soon.
Are you one of the users?
I'm definitely ok with a bit of problems and it gives me perfect reason to root and tweak it on myself although some do claim that, it should work perfectly fine out of the box.
Nexus4 modded with cyanogen.
I'm running stock and can definitely say that the surfaceflinger memory exists. It becomes obvious when you play multiple videos (streaming or video files). When you do other activities this bug is not readily apparent.
I also from time to time get random WiFi disconnects, which are easily fixed by toggling the WiFi off/on. With that being said I really like my N10 and am using it for more than I expected when I bought it. The display resolution, I/O speed and CPU are all outstanding.
At least the memory leak can be fixed and I read that the surfaceflinger driver developer already has it ready. This gives me hope that Android 4.3 will include the fix. The N10 used as a media consumption device is very good/excellent. I am not disappointed with my purchase.
My laptop at the about same price point (after including N10 accessories) has not been turned on in over three months. All my news reading has move from my desktop PC to the N10. I was surprised at how smooth that transition went.
The only thing that really bothered me about the Nexus 10 is how it could throttle and lower CPU clocks under general usage (general being like playing a game). But then again, the Nexus 4 also does this...
Aside from that though, I find the N10 pretty awesome
The light bleed at the bottom right is the only thing that has bothered me much, but that's because the threads here pointed it out and turned on an OCD switch in me. After almost a month, I had my first two reboots last night, both while watching an hourlong streaming video from a TV network site (using Firefox with Flash). Other than that, couldn't be happier with my N10.
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I'm running stock and can definitely say that the surfaceflinger memory exists. It becomes obvious when you play multiple videos (streaming or video files). When you do other activities this bug is not readily apparent.
I also from time to time get random WiFi disconnects, which are easily fixed by toggling the WiFi off/on. With that being said I really like my N10 and am using it for more than I expected when I bought it. The display resolution, I/O speed and CPU are all outstanding.
At least the memory leak can be fixed and I read that the surfaceflinger driver developer already has it ready. This gives me hope that Android 4.3 will include the fix. The N10 used as a media consumption device is very good/excellent. I am not disappointed with my purchase.
My laptop at the about same price point (after including N10 accessories) has not been turned on in over three months. All my news reading has move from my desktop PC to the N10. I was surprised at how smooth that transition went.
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The only thing that really bothered me about the Nexus 10 is how it could throttle and lower CPU clocks under general usage (general being like playing a game). But then again, the Nexus 4 also does this...
Aside from that though, I find the N10 pretty awesome
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The light bleed at the bottom right is the only thing that has bothered me much, but that's because the threads here pointed it out and turned on an OCD switch in me. After almost a month, I had my first two reboots last night, both while watching an hourlong streaming video from a TV network site (using Firefox with Flash). Other than that, couldn't be happier with my N10.
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Here's the thing that I always talk about. It's a nexus and all problems will be solved for sure by Google itself. With such a good display as well as the A15 architecture proc, it's really a beast and let alone the pure vanilla android.
People are a little bit over exaggerated about the bug, IMO. We receive the newest version and bugs are bearable with me. At least buyers should be aware of the firmware is always the latest which might be a little big buggy. Few positive comments over here are really making my day.
Another thing that bothered me is available RAM. Google states the tablet has 2GB of RAM, which is true (there is 2GB worth of RAM chips installed on the motherboard technically). Before 4.2.2, about 400MB was reserved specifically for the GPU, which is the largest amount of RAM I've seen on any Android device, so that left 1.6GB usable. Not that bad, and it still rounded to 2GB (most other devices though to be fair take like 200-300MB; but the N10 is driving a pretty beefy resolution)
WIth 4.2.2, the RAM reserved for the GPU doubled to 800-some MB (836?). So now the total RAM that the user can use on their own is 1.2GB. No longer nearly close to 2GB.
I guess nothing can really be done about it now, but I don't understand why there just isn't dedicated memory just for the GPU, or why Google doesn't just advertise how much RAM is actually available to use. This isn't an issue at all on most other devices, since the missing memory is usually a small amount, but when almost half of the advertised RAM is missing and not even user-configurable (most computers with IGPs sharing system memory at least let you specify how much you want to dedicated to it)... I find that pretty shady :/
On the other hand, I don't have any out-of-memory problems though (aside from the surfaceflinger thing), so it doesn't seem to be an "actual" issue.
I haven't really noticed anything wrong with my nexus 10 I think its great and fast. Also 4.3 is going to be released soon which should fix any software related issues and make it even smoother . I don't use my tablet as much as others might so maybe that's why I don't notice anything wrong. I generally use it 2-3 hours a day and the only thing I hat is the charging time which feels like forever and that it has a phablet ui rather than tablet look which wastes a little screen space. What they should do is get rid of notification bar and combine it with Nav bar like other tablets
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... What they should do is get rid of notification bar and combine it with Nav bar like other tablets.
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Use full!screen and LMT/PIE and get all the screen resolution back (full 2560x1600). full!screen gets rid of both bars and provides a notifications pop-up while LMT/PIE can be configured with all the navigation buttons plus much more. I've been using that combination on rooted stock for months now and would never go back to the waste of space that either bar takes.
I like the clean AOSP browser in fullscreen mode plus thumb controls but it does not always paint properly when used with full!screen (artifacts where the navigation bar used to be). I switched to Ocean browser which is really AOSP with a new UI and that fixed the fullscreen paint issue.
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Use full!screen and LMT/PIE and get all the screen resolution back (full 2560x1600). full!screen gets rid of both bars and provides a notifications pop-up while LMT/PIE can be configured with all the navigation buttons plus much more. I've been using that combination on rooted stock for months now and would never go back to the waste of space that either bar takes.
I like the clean AOSP browser in fullscreen mode plus thumb controls but it does not always paint properly when used with full!screen (artifacts where the navigation bar used to be). I switched to Ocean browser which is really AOSP with a new UI and that fixed the fullscreen paint issue.
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Awesome thanks a lot man I'll try that out
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Here's the thing that I always talk about. It's a nexus and all problems will be solved for sure by Google itself. With such a good display as well as the A15 architecture proc, it's really a beast and let alone the pure vanilla android.
People are a little bit over exaggerated about the bug, IMO. We receive the newest version and bugs are bearable with me. At least buyers should be aware of the firmware is always the latest which might be a little big buggy. Few positive comments over here are really making my day.
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If you can deal with random reboots don't worry about it. It really is something that depends on use. Watching YouTube via chrome will exacerbate the reboots. The actual app doesn't seem to eat the memory. However for my use I can't have it rebooting in the middle of a meeting or trying to dial into work so it has become something of a paperweight. I know how to consume the memory and how to avoid it but it will still eventually reboot. If your using it for goof off purposes instead of productivity you'll be fine. Also, please don't be an Android/Google apologist. They've had 6 months to fix the issue. And they don't market it as a device with buggy firmware that will reboot. If they called it Nexus 10 developer edition I'd agree with you.
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So users, can you give me your truthful comments from both pros and cons? I can only get the device by next week and after that, it will be my time to list out my very own pros and cons.
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Pros:
- Highest resolution tablet on the market, nobody else comes close, even latest iPad has 25% less pixels. I had a Thunderbolt display at work last year and loved working with so much screen real-estate, well, this tablet has even more pixels in 10" than that display had in 27".
- First Android device with beefy Cortex A15 CPU, the Exynos 5 Dual, still the only tablet on the market with A15.
- I actually like the build, fairly thin and I like the sticky material on back.
- For $500 for 32 GB, the one I got, you won't find any device with such high-end specs.
- Android 4.2.2 is usually fairly snappy, sometimes I go back and forth between the home screen and the application drawer just to see the snazzy zoom-in/zoom-out animation and how fast it is.
Each one of these comes with drawbacks however.
Cons:
- You want a high resolution, you have to pay for it with power draw. The display consistently accounts for about 60% of battery usage, even though I keep the brightness at about 30% under light and dial it down to the lowest setting in a dark room. The colors are good but a bit washed out, particularly when compared to an iPad. I wish it had a matte display like my Zenbook, as the glossy display does catch reflections, but I'm not sure that's possible for a tablet.
- The Exynos 5 CPU takes more power than it should and runs somewhat hot. Not as hot as the Tegra 3 in my HOX+, but fairly warm.
- I was surprised how heavy 1.3 lbs felt from the first time I held it. The battery in this thing is huge, 9Ah, compared to 2-3 Ah in most current flagship phones, like the One or S4. It probably had to be so big with that power-sucking display and CPU, but it adds weight.
- The build is a bit creaky and sometimes feels like you have to snap particular pieces back into place, probably to be expected at this cheap price.
- Android still has times when it starts lagging and everything you do takes a second or two to register. These slowdowns often come out of the blue and you're never sure what's going on. This is a mobile OS, so prepare to be frustrated when apps are backgrounded and cached data is lost, particularly if you're expecting something closer to desktop performance because of the specs. The known memory leak in 4.2.2 exacerbates this problem.
I'm happy with my Nexus 10, as I enjoy the high resolution and don't use it anywhere as much as my ultrabook. Now that I know about the memory leak, I may start trying to use it for web reading again, which I had to give up on because it was unusable when Chrome would start reloading every page for no reason. Now I know to reboot when that starts happening, so I at least have a workaround till they fix it.
I love the tablet, for the way I use it - which may be considered light use by most here - it is perfect. The memory issue is real there is no doubt about that. But it is also easily avoided. I reboot my N10 with a tasker profile once during the night and that is that. However I game on it very rarely and use it mostly for streaming movies or just browing the web. One reboot each night seems to be enough to not make these issues appear.
Having said that I have none of the other reported issues, no random reboots or whacky Wifi - I turn Wifi off when the tablet is not in use - but I am also running SentinelRom which seems to be ironing out a lot of the smaller issues. With this ROM scrolling for example has become a silky smooth affair.
Battery life is excellent, much better than the boards make it out to be. I rarely use the N10 with brightness above 25% because it is already so bright on that setting there is no need for it. There may be light bleed - hey it's an LCD after all! - but I never notice any the way I use it. The display is gorgeous in every way, shape and form and I really really like the fact that putting it on lowest brightness makes it really dark. This is perfect for using it in bed at night without getting eye cancer.
With the POGO charger the tablet even has decent charging speed.
Regarding build quality I cannot complain at all. My tablet is not creaky in the least. I had a TF101 which was way worse. I mostly use it with a Poetic smart cover and couldn't be happier. The weight is of course noticeable, but then again this is 10 inches of hardware, it will never feel light as a feather.
Still there are some undeniable software issues still present. The memory leak being one, some issues with scrolling (except when using SentinelRom) being another. But I have yet to see the "perfect" android device which so far does not exist. Google still has a lot of work to do.
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Not getting the random reboots you speak of. Use my tablet 3-4 hours per day, sometimes more, and do not recall having 1 reboot. AOSP browser closures, yes, though with newer versions not as much. Have 2 Nexus 10 tablets, one stock, one sw display itching between SaberMod and Buttered AOKP.
Had both theTF101 and TF700. Went with the ASUS because of it's IPS+ display and SD card slot. 5 weeks after receiving, had to send it in for charging issues..oneof my main problems with the TF101. For the slight amount of money more for the Nexus 10, it is a much better option. Check out Swappa.com-can typically get a slightly used Nexus 10 for a really good price
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Not getting the random reboots you speak of.
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You left out my next sentence. It depends on use. I can duplicate the surfaceflinger issue with eventual reboot on stock CM, buttered AOKP, and rasbean. Obviously we use the tablet differently.
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You left out my next sentence. It depends on used. I can duplicate the surfaceflinger issue with eventual reboot on stock CM, buttered AOKP, and rasbean. Obviously we use the tablet differently.
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I also left out the statement that got me to post originally: "However for my use I can't have it rebooting in the middle of a meeting or trying to dial into work so it mass become something of a paperweight." As the OP was curious about the reliability of this tablet, I wanted to offer a different perspective.
As a tablet for business, I use it for surfing (quote obtained from website, along with any needed client info), note taking, power point and excel, E-mail, along with a few other things. In a given day, I may spend 3-4 hours, while in client homes, using my tablet. So yes, we may use these differently, but for any "business" function I have thrown at it, it works fine. I also do not do many video presentations, which may explain why I do not experience the same issues as you.
As someone who has been hunting for a good Android tablet for months now, I read a LOT of forums and user-reviews. One thing that I've noticed time and time again is that devices that are powered with Nvidia's Tegra processors have an unusually large amount of unhappy users, and the complaints are more or less the same.
- Poor wifi strength/speed
- Touch screen input problems
- Random shutdowns/reboots
- UI Lag
- Device heating up when doing things that are not traditionally intensive tasks.
It's not a Marshmallow (or even Android) problem guys. The combination of some/all of the above problems is comparatively unheard of on Exynos and Snapdragon powered devices. I'm not an engineer so I don't know whether it's a problem innate to the hardware or poor driver support or something else, but I'm enough of an Android fan to have seen a really obvious pattern emerging when looking to buy a device and comparing reviews. I've personally experienced these problems on the Nvidia Shield Tablet K1 and there's a whole giant army of unsatisfied Nexus 9 users out there, and now the Pixel C is sounding like a similar story. You'll recall similar stories about the Nexus 7 2012 as well.
I really wish Google would have waited a little longer and used a next-gen Snapdragon chip in this tablet, it would have been great.
Most of those issues would make sense because of poor software that doesn't utilize the Chipset properly. Not because of the CPU/GPU itself.
It would make sense if you were blaming the touchscreen controller and wifi chipset itself.
I myself have few issues with my Pixel C, and the issues I do have are across all my android devices.
All this speculation about the issues of this device are unnecessary. If you have the device then report your issues to Google for the benefit of all.
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As someone who has been hunting for a good Android tablet for months now, I read a LOT of forums and user-reviews. One thing that I've noticed time and time again is that devices that are powered with Nvidia's Tegra processors have an unusually large amount of unhappy users, and the complaints are more or less the same.
- Poor wifi strength/speed
- Touch screen input problems
- Random shutdowns/reboots
- UI Lag
- Device heating up when doing things that are not traditionally intensive tasks.
It's not a Marshmallow (or even Android) problem guys. The combination of some/all of the above problems is comparatively unheard of on Exynos and Snapdragon powered devices. I'm not an engineer so I don't know whether it's a problem innate to the hardware or poor driver support or something else, but I'm enough of an Android fan to have seen a really obvious pattern emerging when looking to buy a device and comparing reviews. I've personally experienced these problems on the Nvidia Shield Tablet K1 and there's a whole giant army of unsatisfied Nexus 9 users out there, and now the Pixel C is sounding like a similar story. You'll recall similar stories about the Nexus 7 2012 as well.
I really wish Google would have waited a little longer and used a next-gen Snapdragon chip in this tablet, it would have been great.
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thing is the nvidia tv device does not have the big lines of problems and it is the device closest to pixel c.. i'd guess the magnets are a source of havoc.
I did some digging today in open source repos - all the below are just assumptions, I don't want to be a smartass.
If issues seem to be hardware related, usually it's the kernel, not the actual HW. One thing is sure, Google/Nvidia guys are working hard to get things right.
Some examples:
There are even separate branches in the Chomium kernel repos to stabilize the Pixel C: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/third_party/kernel/+refs - search for "stabilize-smaug" here.
This is almost surely the fix for the repeated key issues of the keyboard (was merged in mid-December): https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/third_party/kernel/+/5e09b5b68e2a09257cad69870989b7977797f09c
If you search for "touch" on the Chromium gerrit, there are literally dozens of fixes, most of them already merged. One that I think is related to the Pixel C, and might be a key one: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/#/c/320202/
I've also found a change related to the Pixel C that is still under review, Nvidia guys were talking about a deadline of next Thursday (14th January), until they need to fix something: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/#/c/314327/ - scroll down to the comments.
So, let's hope we'll receive an update by the end of the month. The only thing that I think can really be HW-related is the Wifi issue, but I hope I'm wrong.
PS: This is a bit unrelated, but I've found out from the device tree that the Keyboard firmware can be separately updated (the above fix is actually for the keyboard FW). The FW update will be the part of the system update, and after the first boot once you connect the keyboard a notification will appear to ask you to confirm the update. Afterwards it will apply the update via Bluetooth. Code here: https://android.googlesource.com/device/google/dragon/+/marshmallow-dr-dragon-release/DragonKeyboardFirmwareUpdater/
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I did some digging today in open source repos - all the below are just assumptions, I don't want to be a smartass.
If issues seem to be hardware related, usually it's the kernel, not the actual HW. One thing is sure, Google/Nvidia guys are working hard to get things right.
Some examples:
There are even separate branches in the Chomium kernel repos to stabilize the Pixel C: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/third_party/kernel/+refs - search for "stabilize-smaug" here.
This is almost surely the fix for the repeated key issues of the keyboard (was merged in mid-December): https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/third_party/kernel/+/5e09b5b68e2a09257cad69870989b7977797f09c
If you search for "touch" on the Chromium gerrit, there are literally dozens of fixes, most of them already merged. One that I think is related to the Pixel C, and might be a key one: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/#/c/320202/
I've also found a change related to the Pixel C that is still under review, Nvidia guys were talking about a deadline of next Thursday (14th January), until they need to fix something: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/#/c/314327/ - scroll down to the comments.
So, let's hope we'll receive an update by the end of the month. The only thing that I think can really be HW-related is the Wifi issue, but I hope I'm wrong.
PS: This is a bit unrelated, but I've found out from the device tree that the Keyboard firmware can be separately updated (the above fix is actually for the keyboard FW). The FW update will be the part of the system update, and after the first boot once you connect the keyboard a notification will appear to ask you to confirm the update. Afterwards it will apply the update via Bluetooth. Code here: https://android.googlesource.com/device/google/dragon/+/marshmallow-dr-dragon-release/DragonKeyboardFirmwareUpdater/
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i'm thinking if a few big issues do not get resolved by next weekend [1/15-1/17] google may experience a large volume of returns prior to the 1-22 deadline for holiday purchases. google may want to put out an ota in hopes a lot of the issues go away. very nice post, btw, i appreciate all the digging.
OP is correct in his assumptions on the tegra processors. There are always issues with devices that have them especially when the device is first released. Usually it takes about 6 months to get rid of the issues with software/UI updates. The tegra k1 devices did not become stable until July 2015; more than 8 months after there release.....
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sethyx said:
So, let's hope we'll receive an update by the end of the month. The only thing that I think can really be HW-related is the Wifi issue, but I hope I'm wrong.
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Thanks for the digging but they have until around Jan. 22nd to get a fix out. I am not going to go on faith that the two major issues will be fixed. (wifi/touchscreen). The fact it was launched with these issues present on most of them is troubling.
dkryder said:
i'm thinking if a few big issues do not get resolved by next weekend [1/15-1/17] google may experience a large volume of returns prior to the 1-22 deadline for holiday purchases. google may want to put out an ota in hopes a lot of the issues go away.
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That is what I am thinking as well. I think a lot of people do not notice the wifi download issue because they are either close to their router or are not comparing the speeds next to other devices. I noticed it on day 2 when I was viewing my imgur albums and noticed considerable slower page load compared to other devices. That opened up a can or worms right there.
The touchscreen issue is very noticeable though. Hope these get fixed asap.
For what it's worth i'm 2 floors away from my router and on my 2nd Pixel (first one had a dodgy touchscreen) and the speed is completely fine
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Thanks for the digging but they have until around Jan. 22nd to get a fix out. I am not going to go on faith that the two major issues will be fixed. (wifi/touchscreen). The fact it was launched with these issues present on most of them is troubling.
That is what I am thinking as well. I think a lot of people do not notice the wifi download issue because they are either close to their router or are not comparing the speeds next to other devices. I noticed it on day 2 when I was viewing my imgur albums and noticed considerable slower page load compared to other devices. That opened up a can or worms right there.
The touchscreen issue is very noticeable though. Hope these get fixed asap.
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My speeds compared to my 6 p were virtually identical. Router on another floor some 25 yds away.
bill3508 said:
My speeds compared to my 6 p were virtually identical. Router on another floor some 25 yds away.
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Must be nice. What router are you using? Are you on wifi AC or N ?
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Must be nice. What router are you using? Are you on wifi AC or N ?
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This was my post a while back. 4000 sq ft 3 level home. Upstairs router is a Asus rt66, down stairs is a Actiontek or something like that. I have two different providers , one capped and the crappy dsl is not. I live out in the sticks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=64460576
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This was my post a while back. 4000 sq ft 3 level home. Upstairs router is a Asus rt66, down stairs is a Actiontek or something like that. I have two different providers , one capped and the crappy dsl is not. I live out in the sticks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=64460576
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Very odd. I have the same router and get noticeably slower download speeds abound 25-30ft from the router. On a different floor but still. I kind of live out in the sticks as well. Both units had the same exact issue. just wish this wasn't a problem.
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Thanks for the digging but they have until around Jan. 22nd to get a fix out. I am not going to go on faith that the two major issues will be fixed. (wifi/touchscreen). The fact it was launched with these issues present on most of them is troubling.
That is what I am thinking as well. I think a lot of people do not notice the wifi download issue because they are either close to their router or are not comparing the speeds next to other devices. I noticed it on day 2 when I was viewing my imgur albums and noticed considerable slower page load compared to other devices. That opened up a can or worms right there.
The touchscreen issue is very noticeable though. Hope these get fixed asap.
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I love the tablet and really would like to keep it, wifi issues are a deal breaker though, but I'll be happy to wait till the end of the month provided Google officially accepts the issues, confirms they are not hardware related (not sure if the forum post will be enough) and commits to a fix by the end of the month or at the very least extends the return period sufficiently. Just one guy's opinion.
Mine acts weird with the speed test app. It shows slower download speeds than my service provides during a speed test but will max out my service when actually downloading.
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Mine acts weird with the speed test app. It shows slower download speeds than my service provides during a speed test but will max out my service when actually downloading.
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I thought the same until I did side by side comparisons with other devices and there is a web based speed test that you can do as well:
http://testmy.net/
I am a bit curious about the noveau driver. I read that its graphics performance isn't very good in comparison to nvidia's own linux driver when testing desktop gpus in Ubuntu. Why, given this information, would Google use noveau? Also, would Google have forked noveau for ryu?
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OP is correct in his assumptions on the tegra processors. There are always issues with devices that have them especially when the device is first released. Usually it takes about 6 months to get rid of the issues with software/UI updates. The tegra k1 devices did not become stable until July 2015; more than 8 months after there release.....
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Did you mean 2016? I'm a Nexus 9 owner and bought it mostly to play Clash of Clans... Yeah, it can be a lame reason to buy a tablet but it is the truth.
When you reach TH8 (Clash of Clans players know what I'm talking about), CPU &/or GPU can't handle the graphics... Well, I guess that it's still missing something to be solved on kernel side or even the bionic for denver still hasn't been optimized enough since using a custom kernel and OCing CPU and GPU makes graphics somehow become more fluid (while in the game) and the constant stuttering that causes the touch screen input problems (huge problems on this part, I have to touch three of four times on the same place for it to recognize what I want to do) or the lags almost disappears.
Now you're gonna say "But Nexus 9 is a beast and I run X game with it and it's fluid!" Yeah, I hear ya and you're right, but something is going on with this tablet and I still can't figure it out what it is... Is it the non-optimized kernel or the non-optimized bionic? Who knows... OCing is just hiding something that needs to be fixed in my opinion... Oh... Did I mention that the kernel defconfig doesn't have multi-core scheduler support activated (CONFIG_SCHED_MC)?
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The only thing that I think can really be HW-related is the Wifi issue, but I hope I'm wrong.[/URL]
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It seems that the WiFi issue was also caused by the kernel... https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/#/c/321155/4
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It seems that the WiFi issue was also caused by the kernel... https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/#/c/321155/4
Not cool, NVIDIA, not cool.
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This is actually great news as hopefully it isn't the magnets or some other hardware related issue and can be fixed.
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It seems that the WiFi issue was also caused by the kernel... https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/#/c/321155/4
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Just FYI that patchset has nothing to do with the WiFi