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Is the nexus 4 still worse than the optimus g?

Even with new kernels and software upgrades? They're at least supposed to be even but instead the nexus 4 lacks battery and processing power in nearly every test. Is this still the case and if so, why?

I've read that the battery in the Nexus 4 lasts longer and search a term called "thermal throttling"
BTW, benchmarks arent worth ****

if your talking about Quadrant .. it is NOT thermal throttling.. it doesn't throttle within 30 seconds, the only test my Nexus has throttled with was glbenchmark , and that was with everything ticked..

Tweaked kernels and hacks (like undervolting) adress some issues for sure ! Less heat/throttling and even some battery gain. But i'm pretty sure the Optimus G is still ahead in perfs AND battery, without even consider its own tweaked kernels. (-> I own a Nexus 4, but i have only tested the G with everything stock)
I guess the question is about the price you are ready to pay, and where you stand considering system updates or modified user experience. Besides that, the Optimus G just is a better device. Both are equally smooth in every day use though ...

lol if youre basing which phone is "better" off of quadrant scores, you need to reevaluate what youre looking for in a phone. High quadrant scores don't always translate to a smooth, fluid, enjoyable user experience. The nexus 4 is lightyears ahead of the optimus G in terms of user experience.

Guys, I know that benchmarks don't say too much about daily use. But still. Those two devices are almost EXACTLY the same. What part of the nexus 4 did google **** up so badly that the optimus g comes out ahead in almost everything?

Corndude said:
Guys, I know that benchmarks don't say too much about daily use. But still. Those two devices are almost EXACTLY the same. What part of the nexus 4 did google **** up so badly that the optimus g comes out ahead in almost everything?
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Android 4.2 is not optimized for quadrant. Real world performance use debunks it. Nexus 4 is a smooth and enjoyable experience. Why are you putting so much in quadrant scores?

How would it be worse? Troll post
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zephiK said:
How would it be worse? Troll post
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Seriously:good:
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Corndude said:
Guys, I know that benchmarks don't say too much about daily use. But still. Those two devices are almost EXACTLY the same. What part of the nexus 4 did google **** up so badly that the optimus g comes out ahead in almost everything?
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I think you need to worry about your own phone SGS II

Optimus G has Android 4.04
Nexus 4 has Android 4.2.1
That is a much bigger deal then overaggressive thermal throttling which will be fixed eventually. Also as someone coming from the LG P999, I wouldn't want to depend on LG for any software updates again. It will get its planned update to 4.1.1 but after that I wouldn't count on anything.
I don't know what the OG is getting for battery but I've been getting over 5hrs screen on time lately which is pretty good.

I'm think LG is tampering with it's products - you would think that phones with supposedly similar hardware would perform accordingly. After all the N4 is running pure android and most folks would of given the edge to the N4. The truth is out there somewhere just saying

Corndude said:
Even with new kernels and software upgrades? They're at least supposed to be even but instead the nexus 4 lacks battery and processing power in nearly every test. Is this still the case and if so, why?
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wreckone said:
I'm think LG is tampering with it's products - you would think that phones with supposedly similar hardware would perform accordingly. After all the N4 is running pure android and most folks would of given the edge to the N4. The truth is out there somewhere just saying
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You know, every single stuff *put company name here* put out, they tweak the heck out of their stuff to have high benchmark score.
Heard that new Apple GPU is 4x faster than newest Android GPU, or newest Android CPU is twice as fast as newest Apple CPU? So now you know what I meant.

@ zephik & yyz
Accusing me of trollposting... How about you read every single ****ing test that is out there? All of them say that the optimus g is miles ahead of the nexus 4 hardwarewise.
@ Kyra of Fire
Apple's gotta be doing something right. Their stupid phone lasts twice as long as the nexus 4 even though it has a much higher display brightness and a smaller battery. Oh and before anybody comes up with "Blabla but nex4 has more cores, they need more energy." Yea right, I don't know how many cores you think your phone uses on webbrosing but it won't be more than 1 or maximum 2, so not more than the iphone's got.
http://www.autoomobile.com/news/lg-nexus-4-battery-life-tips/1009720/
I quote:
GSMArena put it to the test and found that when it came to talk time tests four of the 1.5GHz Krait core remained idle and the battery did well with 14:17 hours. However it was 1 hour short of the Optimus G, which the LG Nexus 4 is based on.
In regards to the web browsing test on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus, this was the worst ever seen. The LG Nexus 4 therefore didn’t have to do too much to beat it. It went on for 4 hours and 34 minutes on just one charge. If you look at the larger picture however this is still a poor score when you consider that the iPhone 5 was two times as long.

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LG's engineers sneaked a puppy in while they designed the Optimus G (didn't happen with the Nexus 4)
Apple engineers, meanwhile, drank a tank of steroid.
That's why.

Nexus 4 is far better than optimus g
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To each their own... Played with an OG in person... it's nice... But not for me. I like being able to do with what I please to my phone. Hence I got the N4. As far as battery. I'm a heavy user and with my current setup I was able to steam using tunein for over 6hours during my work shift.. Kaokao all day... Full sync... Gnow enabled.... Not crippling my phone or turning off data syncs...left my 10hr work shift and was just under 40%...not bad in my book
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KyraOfFire said:
You know, every single stuff *put company name here* put out, they tweak the heck out of their stuff to have high benchmark score.
Heard that new Apple GPU is 4x faster than newest Android GPU, or newest Android CPU is twice as fast as newest Apple CPU? So now you know what I meant.
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The A6 does use a very beefy GPU. Apple has tended to do this for quite awhile now. The iPad 3rd generation and 4th generation are notably unmatched. This is not due to benchmark tweaks, they just source better chips for their products.

LG doctored our s4-quads :{

ijeff said:
The A6 does use a very beefy GPU. Apple has tended to do this for quite awhile now. The iPad 3rd generation and 4th generation are notably unmatched. This is not due to benchmark tweaks, they just source better chips for their products.
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^ this is just argument for the sake of argument.....
If you don't want Apple, then insert Nvidia, AT&T, T Mobile, Samsung, or WalMart, or US Department of Defense, or whatever.
Every of them have a nice chart showing how their stuff is better than someone else's stuff. Regardless of wether it is true, false or somewhere in between.
The point is, benchmark tells nothing. Yet, the company will have fancy bechmark to market their product becuase people like you guys love it.
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Dude get a grip. Do you have a nexus 4 or not? I have one and it performs considerably well. And i was coming from a galaxy nexus. All your doing is whining about benchmarks which is irrelevant due to different software. Again 4.2 is not optimized yet!
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Note 2 vs. Note 1 in terms of temperature

Hi guys,
I currently own a Galaxy Note N7000, but am planning an upgrade. To the Note 2. Yay!
My Note gets really hot when playing games like Arcane Legends, especially if I plug in the charger (of course). Some times, it gets so hot that the top side of the screen burns my thumb!!! And that even when playing Arcane Legends alone, not charging at the same time!
I wanna know. Are there people who have owned the original Note and switched to the Note 2? If yes... those are the people I want to talk to. They know best how to compare the two.

Never had the N7000 but I can tell you that the N7100 never gets that hot. A little warm yes, hot no.
Sent from the mighty Note II

Just upgraded to the N7100 and temp wise ot's no different from the N7000...
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I wouldn't say it gets too hot, but if you play the right games it can get toasty. Not too shabby though. Any mobile device these days can get up there in temps. It is the nature of the beast. Getting smaller and more robust and trying to keep the temperature down is all part of the challenge. I wonder how well the a15/mod'ed a9's will run in the next year or two. Eager to see how well Samsung's exynos CPU pairs together with imagination technologies GPU. Exciting times for the android gamers as they might see more games and many of those ported from iOS or more time put into them. I really would like science to take advantage of our smartphone gpu's much like distributed networking on PC's.
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I'm not gonna sit around and wait another year. I'll get the Note 2, as soon as I sell this Note. My alternatives are... the HTC One, which I doubt will shine development-wise, the Xperia Z which has poor speaker performance and cr*ppy screen and the S4, which will also suck development-wise.
Yeah, definetly not gonna sit around to wait for the A15-powered devices.
I hate my Note right now for the following :
- poor battery performance (despite its 2500 mAh battery)
- screen sucks so bad (plus, black clipping)
- overheating like hell
At least the first two are better on the Note 2 . Enough for me to upgrade.

dr.m0x said:
Never had the N7000 but I can tell you that the N7100 never gets that hot. A little warm yes, hot no.
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If I play Arcane Legends over 3G for half an hour and both CPU cores are clocked at 1.4 GHz (maximum), my left thumb is gonna be prone to burns. No joke.
keenan316 said:
Just upgraded to the N7100 and temp wise ot's no different from the N7000...
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Depends on what you're doing on it, I guess. Care to elaborate?

Formhault said:
I'm not gonna sit around and wait another year. I'll get the Note 2, as soon as I sell this Note. My alternatives are... the HTC One, which I doubt will shine development-wise, the Xperia Z which has poor speaker performance and cr*ppy screen and the S4, which will also suck development-wise.
Yeah, definetly not gonna sit around to wait for the A15-powered devices.
I hate my Note right now for the following :
- poor battery performance (despite its 2500 mAh battery)
- screen sucks so bad (plus, black clipping)
- overheating like hell
At least the first two are better on the Note 2 . Enough for me to upgrade.
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I am sure that the HTC One will get great dev development seeing as how that codeworx is getting the device, as for S4, it should also get great development as it is going to be a very popular device and most of the S4's are going to be Qualcomm not Exynos.

Formhault said:
Hi guys,
I currently own a Galaxy Note N7000, but am planning an upgrade. To the Note 2. Yay!
My Note gets really hot when playing games like Arcane Legends, especially if I plug in the charger (of course). Some times, it gets so hot that the top side of the screen burns my thumb!!! And that even when playing Arcane Legends alone, not charging at the same time!
I wanna know. Are there people who have owned the original Note and switched to the Note 2? If yes... those are the people I want to talk to. They know best how to compare the two.
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I had the Note 1 and now have the Note 2 and they are 2 different phones. The cpu on the Note 2 is much more powerfull and battery friendly than the one on the GN1. Temperatures are very good and haven`t experienced any heat issues. Switching over to the GN2 will only bring you advantages.

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I am sure that the HTC One will get great dev development seeing as how that codeworx is getting the device
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He is? That's good to know.
Well, since the One isn't really available everywhere just yet... Guess time will tell wether it will get some love or not.
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as for S4, it should also get great development as it is going to be a very popular device and most of the S4's are going to be Qualcomm not Exynos.
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Oh yeah. At least the Qualcomm variant will definetly receive some love. Too bad Krait 300 is Cortex-A9, not Cortex-A15. But it's powerful enough. Way powerful than the cores in the Note 1, that's for sure.
*reconsidering options*
Won't have enough money for neither the One nor the S4. So, it's gonna be the Note 2. It's a powerful enough little tiny beast, anyway
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I had the Note 1 and now have the Note 2 and they are 2 different phones. The cpu on the Note 2 is much more powerfull and battery friendly than the one on the GN1. Temperatures are very good and haven`t experienced any heat issues. Switching over to the GN2 will only bring you advantages.
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Thank you for your input.
Battery life and power is exactly why I was considering the Note 2. Otherwise I could go for the S3, which has the same ammount of RAM (not really good for long term) and pretty much the same battery life as my Note. Not really worth paying 150 extra bucks for that... Better pay 200 extra bucks for a Note 2 :silly:
The screen is also an important factor for which I am considering the Note 2 over the S3. Screw pentile. RGB for the win!
Also, I know the Note 2 comes with a 2 amp charger. That's awesome! I will be able to play AND charge at the same time :silly:

Just had my N7100 for a few days and running CM @ the moment,...
Internet connection great!
Speakers :thumbup:
Battery :thumbup:
Speed & smoothness :thumbup:
So far I'm feeling good... In fact, better!
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fr3ker said:
Just had my N7100 for a few days and running CM @ the moment,...
Internet connection great!
Speakers :thumbup:
Battery :thumbup:
Speed & smoothness :thumbup:
So far I'm feeling good... In fact, better!
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How is that related to what is being discussed here?

Well, i had an n7100 which is on my mothers hands right now and i switched to the n7100.
The note 2 NEVER gets hot, like ever.. compared to the note1 which does get considerably hot when gaming.
Rest assured that you wont burn your thumb ever again with newer generation phones. Also, battery life on n7100 is brutal.

eliterox said:
Well, i had an n7100 which is on my mothers hands right now and i switched to the n7100.
The note 2 NEVER gets hot, like ever.. compared to the note1 which does get considerably hot when gaming.
Rest assured that you wont burn your thumb ever again with newer generation phones. Also, battery life on n7100 is brutal.
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I know. :crying:
I might sell it today or tomorrow. Then, Note 2 Titan Gray, here I effing come

And you are welcome here mate!
U will not be dissapointed!
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Formhault said:
How is that related to what is being discussed here?
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Sorry, missed the point where I wanted to tell everything it's way better with this device. No heating issues whenever ,.. Wherever , whatsoever ,... The only thing it's missing it's the progress on how Chas is keeping his night lies.
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fr3ker said:
Sorry, missed the point where I wanted to tell everything it's way better with this device. No heating issues whenever ,.. Wherever , whatsoever ,... The only thing it's missing it's the progress on how Chas is keeping his night lies.
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Oh please don't make me crave for Note 2 more...
Note : the b*stard who was supposed to buy my phone today seems to have changed his mind. Hopefully he'll answer 'till tomorrow :/

Formhault said:
Oh please don't make me crave for Note 2 more...
Note : the b*stard who was supposed to buy my phone today seems to have changed his mind. Hopefully he'll answer 'till tomorrow :/
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You should feel the speed, battery consumption and smoothness in the palm of your hands...
I really hope that b4stard buy your phone so you can join us
It's just awesome man!
... Just can't resist
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I did join the Note 2 club last week
I have to admit I was tempted to go for the cold metal beauty of the One, but delayed deliveries to Polish carriers took that option away. And wasn't that impressed by the Z. Not regret it much. That large screen is just beautifull. Who needs FullHD when it's already so sharp and amazing. Seems to be the perfect size too. Well, put it in a case and it gets too big for me. But having the extra screen estate over the lesser phones really is great!
Was initially put off by the horrible look of TouchWiz (have been using CM on my Galaxy S for a long time), but after customizing it a bit (inspired by coldfustion YouTube videos), I'm pretty happy with the results. I now mostly only see the ugliness of TouchWiz during calls and sometimes in the dialer (when it appears from a system call, rather then is brought up manually). Guess I'll proably eventually get rid of that too with a custom ROM, but I'm not in a hurry.
Coming from Galaxy S, I can really appreciate the GPS speed and accuracy. The volume of the loudspeaker is also very nice, even if clarity is nothing to write home about. Browsing and reading/writing e-mails is a real pleasure on this beast!
It does get a bit warm during gaming sessions, but it doesn't seem very hot and I hope its nothing that can cause an actual burn!
The smoothness is not that amazing too me though. I guess partially because I use MultiPicture Live Wallpaper and it always reloads the wallpaper during switching landscape/portrait mode. The default lockscreen was laggy as hell too (tried various fixes suggested here). But I turned that off and am now using the lockscreen from Go Launcher Ex, which is much faster (well, actually that and some icon packs are the only functionalities of that launcher I use... otherwise it's way too laggy, especially compared with Nova). But I'm sure the speed can easily be fixed with a custom ROM.
Just wish I could scale the keyboard down, cause it wastes too much screen estate (using Swype). And Multiwindow... the menus take way too much space... it should scale the content down as well, because as things are, very little actual content is displayed in each window.

^ A little off topic, but just wanted to say that all your wishes can be fulfilled with a rooted stock rom and simplistic and or xposed frameworks, including theming and dpi change, when you're ready for it
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Formhault said:
Note : the b*stard who was supposed to buy my phone today seems to have changed his mind. Hopefully he'll answer 'till tomorrow :/
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He probably read on some forum that the Note 1 can burn your finger...
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GPU performance

Hi, I came from the HTC One to the SGS4 mostly because of the faster GPU/CPU. One thing I don't understand is that my HTC One got 46 fps in glbenchmark 2.5 off screen and my SGS4 got 41. Both of them running at 450mhz. Why is it that the HTC One has much better graphics benchmarks than the s4 despite the worse RAM and Chip?

crzykiller said:
Hi, I came from the HTC One to the SGS4 mostly because of the faster GPU/CPU. One thing I don't understand is that my HTC One got 46 fps in glbenchmark 2.5 off screen and my SGS4 got 41. Both of them running at 450mhz. Why is it that the HTC One has much better graphics benchmarks than the s4 despite the worse RAM and Chip?
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do you notice an actual performance difference? apps like that are good for scaling, but you cant judge performance or level of quality on their results. there is no for sure reason why the one scored better, its probably has more to do with the app vs the phone.

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do you notice an actual performance difference? apps like that are good for scaling, but you cant judge performance or level of quality on their results. there is no for sure reason why the one scored better, its probably has more to do with the app vs the phone.
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I know that modern combat 4 runs like crap and it ran much better on my One.

crzykiller said:
I know that modern combat 4 runs like crap and it ran much better on my One.
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its sense UI vs touchwiz and some games run better on certain hardware. the htc one is not 100% the same.
many games need updating for this phone.

I might install a google edition ROM and see how that goes since it doesnt have any touchwiz bloatware. hopefully that helps a little. Other than that, the battery seems to never drain! much better battery life than the HTC One

I am no gamer--too old
But, my son is heavy into it and he has no issues. Not sure what all he plays. Think he just got FF III. Could check if needed
But, wondering if there is a setting somewhere on the S4 that helps in game performance

rugmankc said:
I am no gamer--too old
But, my son is heavy into it and he has no issues. Not sure what all he plays. Think he just got FF III. Could check if needed
But, wondering if there is a setting somewhere on the S4 that helps in game performance
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Normally by using "Force GPU Rendering" under developer options increases gaming performance. It doesnt do much though

rugmankc said:
I am no gamer--too old
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How dare you make that claim, good sir! You are never too old to game. :highfive:

johnus said:
How dare you make that claim, good sir! You are never too old to game. :highfive:
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Lol. True, but my fingers are too arthritic to move that much. I use SwiftKey to type.
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The most fastest tablet! !

U all must read this
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2014/...f-samsung-galaxy-note-10-1/#readsoruce_bottom
Enjoy...
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Yeah we all know its an awesomely fast device...well mine is lol
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There are lies, there are damned lies, and - oh yes - then there are benchmarks.
I know our tablet is fast and feels snappy. I, however, wouldn't trust any isolated single benchmark, whatever its results are. I'm sure there are enough of them with opposite results.

The Sammy is a great tablet, but those folks are eating tainted mushrooms if they believe their results. I trust Anandtech more and they show the Air is faster. That said, seems arbitrary as a comparison since not same platform. My iPad 4 seems faster than the Sammy, so not a straight comparison.
Did Samsung pay for this analysis?

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The Sammy is a great tablet, but those folks are eating tainted mushrooms if they believe their results. I trust Anandtech more and they show the Air is faster. That said, seems arbitrary as a comparison since not same platform. My iPad 4 seems faster than the Sammy, so not a straight comparison.
Did Samsung pay for this analysis?
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I am not sure where you got that info from but they show the Air has a faster GPU and that is about it. Also Apple has focused on graphics power not cpu power of late. Comparing the Note 10.1 2014 and the Air are a bit skewed anyhow due to the Note being much more than a consumption device having the S pen and apps for the S pen.

Its funny to read those comments from obvious ipad owners.
I think regardless of the benchmark "scam" from Samsung and any other makes, its pretty obvious that Note 10.1 14 generally will perform the fastest by just looking at the specs.
I bet even Note 3 will beat ipad air in those tests.

jinda628 said:
Its funny to read those comments from obvious ipad owners.
I think regardless of the benchmark "scam" from Samsung and any other makes, its pretty obvious that Note 10.1 14 generally will perform the fastest by just looking at the specs.
I bet even Note 3 will beat ipad air in those tests.
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The fastest device with 3 sec delay when you want to turn on display.
Big shame for Samsung.

The note 10.1 2014 and Android in general usually has more power than ios devices. But ios has better optimization in both OS and games so in real life use there isn't a real difference that you can feel.
The note is awesome and extremely fast though. I'm completely happy. It does a very good job at psp emulation already which is amazing. Most psp games run twice as fast than on my sgs3. Games that barely run smooth in native resolution on sgs3 run at 2x or even 3x on the note! Which results in better graphics than most playstore apps... And emulation is always a good way to measure processing power (even though the app ppsspp could be more optimized).

gregy74 said:
The fastest device with 3 sec delay when you want to turn on display.
Big shame for Samsung.
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I dont know about this. This can be old news as I dont see this on any of the samsung's I've tried recently.
But seriously, people are *****ing about samsung OC'ing the system while running the benchmarks.
1. Isn't it the point of running the bench? To see the full potential of your device?
2. People will ask why not on normal usage? What app uses all 4 cores anyway to the max?
3. Its not only samsung doing that.
4. With test OC'ing or not, one will be faster than the other in real life. Ipad Air maybe faster in browsing then Note is faster in multitasking, etc? Its all personal preference in the end so this argument will not end.

jinda628 said:
I dont know about this. This can be old news as I dont see this on any of the samsung's I've tried recently.
But seriously, people are *****ing about samsung OC'ing the system while running the benchmarks.
1. Isn't it the point of running the bench? To see the full potential of your device?
2. People will ask why not on normal usage? What app uses all 4 cores anyway to the max?
3. Its not only samsung doing that.
4. With test OC'ing or not, one will be faster than the other in real life. Ipad Air maybe faster in browsing then Note is faster in multitasking, etc? Its all personal preference in the end so this argument will not end.
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Mine does have a 2 second delay tbf but I know once I (UK) get the most recent updates it will be fine but overall considering it does TONS more stuff over any tablet out there i dont mind waiting 2 seconds for awesomeness haha
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As an owner I will say that it is probably the best tablet currently on the market but it is far from perfect. Most noticeable is the lag and the bleed.

Also the tablet with most problems! I dont care if its the fastest and just want Samsung to have better quality control with theirs products.
Mininum light bleeds, touchscreens issues, battery problems etc.. Too name few problems on Note 2014 and also Note 3 have same problems.
When the devices costs this much and U expect a working unit.
Galaxy Note SM-P605

gregy74 said:
The fastest device with 3 sec delay when you want to turn on display.
Big shame for Samsung.
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I can only repeat and repeat it again: only some users have this delay. Others not. So, still the question is, why you have the delay?

jinda628 said:
Its funny to read those comments from obvious ipad owners.
I think regardless of the benchmark "scam" from Samsung and any other makes, its pretty obvious that Note 10.1 14 generally will perform the fastest by just looking at the specs.
I bet even Note 3 will beat ipad air in those tests.
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I have an iPad 4, TF300, T270, Nook HD+ with CM and a Venue 11 Pro 5130. No fanboy here, but the iPad 4 seemed faster than the Sammy that I tested but ended up not buying.
Looking though to replace all my current Android tablets with one, but waiting for the 32gb to go down $100.

dt33 said:
Also the tablet with most problems! I dont care if its the fastest and just want Samsung to have better quality control with theirs products.
Mininum light bleeds, touchscreens issues, battery problems etc.. Too name few problems on Note 2014 and also Note 3 have same problems.
When the devices costs this much and U expect a working unit.
Galaxy Note SM-P605
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I dont know how much of the total percentage have these problems. I've only bought 3 Samsung gadgets so far, from Note 2, to Note 3 and recently the 10.1 14. First thing I check is the screen, no dead pixels, no light bleeds and any other problems so far. Haven't returned anything.
We must remember that complains get posted in threads and good things most probably are not. Are you gonna go to the complaints section if you are happy?
rushless said:
I have an iPad 4, TF300, T270, Nook HD+ with CM and a Venue 11 Pro 5130. No fanboy here, but the iPad 4 seemed faster than the Sammy that I tested but ended up not buying.
Looking though to replace all my current Android tablets with one, but waiting for the 32gb to go down $100.
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I think it depends on where you are comparing it, like what samsung model?
I dont see my sister's Ipad 4 getting near the speed I'm getting from my Note 3 and I'm still running stock/unrooted.
Smoothness in iOS and 4.3+ right now is really hard to see bare eyes. But I admit iOS have less to none micro lags compared to Samsung's TW. It becomes irrelevant when its rooted and running ROMs though, as Note 3 or Note 10.1 is really fast.
But when it comes to handling multiple apps, multitasking, flexibility, etc, its just so far apart with Note models taking the cake.
I think the new iPad Air is really good. Apple is unbeatable with craftsmanship and build quality. But I'll honestly get bored of it easily for sure.

jinda628 said:
I dont know about this. This can be old news as I dont see this on any of the samsung's I've tried recently.
But seriously, people are *****ing about samsung OC'ing the system while running the benchmarks.
1. Isn't it the point of running the bench? To see the full potential of your device?
2. People will ask why not on normal usage? What app uses all 4 cores anyway to the max?
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Just wanted to chime in here:
1. No, the point of running a benchmark is to what benchmarks the user may perceive when using day to day applications. You tablet doesnt overclock it self, like when benchmarking, in day to day applications. Its cheating. Period.
2. Incorrect. A lot of apps will use four cores. Get yourself a good analyzer like "Android Tuner" or "System Tuner" or similiar app and you can gauge it yourself.
Elim said:
I can only repeat and repeat it again: only some users have this delay. Others not. So, still the question is, why you have the delay?
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The delay comes from the Exynos processor. The delay is built in and intentional. The tablet goes to a deep sleep with Exynos chips. This makes it more energy efficient. If the tablet doesnt deep sleep as quick as it does the batter is just wasted if the screen is off and idle.
To prove this on the P600 is very easy... Turn tablet on, open web browser return to home screen. Power off, 1 second later, power on.
Now do the same thing again this time power off for 30 seconds then power on. You may notice a 1 to 1.5 second longer delay in turning on as it comes out "deep sleep"
Some people are also a lot more sensitive to this delay which makes it seem like a terrible delay. However I have the Samsung Book Cover and by the time I open it and flap the cover all the way back the tablet is on. The delay is never even seen.
Another thing to keep in mind is specification errata on these chips. There are multiple bins that all can be seen in kernel source code. Each bin requires different voltages (I do know that much) but I dont know the affect binning has on wake time.

Also to the OP;
This is not a faster tablet than Nexus 7 2013
Benchmarks may tell you it is... But its not.
Also Qualcomm decided to hold back on the specific dalvik binary processing librarys, once you add those in the Nexus 7 2013 blows away any tablet I have EVER used. And I can assure you, I have used more than the average has.

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Just wanted to chime in here:
1. No, the point of running a benchmark is to what benchmarks the user may perceive when using day to day applications. You tablet doesnt overclock it self, like when benchmarking, in day to day applications. Its cheating. Period.
2. Incorrect. A lot of apps will use four cores. Get yourself a good analyzer like "Android Tuner" or "System Tuner" or similiar app and you can gauge it yourself.
The delay comes from the Exynos processor. The delay is built in and intentional. The tablet goes to a deep sleep with Exynos chips. This makes it more energy efficient. If the tablet doesnt deep sleep as quick as it does the batter is just wasted if the screen is off and idle.
To prove this on the P600 is very easy... Turn tablet on, open web browser return to home screen. Power off, 1 second later, power on.
Now do the same thing again this time power off for 30 seconds then power on. You may notice a 1 to 1.5 second longer delay in turning on as it comes out "deep sleep"
Some people are also a lot more sensitive to this delay which makes it seem like a terrible delay. However I have the Samsung Book Cover and by the time I open it and flap the cover all the way back the tablet is on. The delay is never even seen.
Another thing to keep in mind is specification errata on these chips. There are multiple bins that all can be seen in kernel source code. Each bin requires different voltages (I do know that much) but I dont know the affect binning has on wake time.
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Hi.
Sorry to inform you, but I have P605 32GB and have the same issue. The tablet only start without delay after a reboot and one time. I clean tablet from apps and still face the problem (yes is really annoying).

gregy74 said:
The fastest device with 3 sec delay when you want to turn on display.
Big shame for Samsung.
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Disabling both "Wake up command" and "Open via the home key" in S Voice will remove the delay.

scrosler said:
Just wanted to chime in here:
1. No, the point of running a benchmark is to what benchmarks the user may perceive when using day to day applications. You tablet doesnt overclock it self, like when benchmarking, in day to day applications. Its cheating. Period.
2. Incorrect. A lot of apps will use four cores. Get yourself a good analyzer like "Android Tuner" or "System Tuner" or similiar app and you can gauge it yourself.
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1. Does the tablet usually use its full potential or power on a day to day basis? Its like running a benchmark on an overclocked computer. You dont usually overclock when browsing the internet and even on playing demanding games if your rig can handle the game easily on stock clocks. You OC a PC and run benchmark to see how powerful it can run. But you dont let it stay OC'ed everyday to do normal things.
2. Ok, a lot of apps use for cores but is it always running on max clock? I doubt that.
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Also to the OP;
This is not a faster tablet than Nexus 7 2013
Benchmarks may tell you it is... But its not.
Also Qualcomm decided to hold back on the specific dalvik binary processing librarys, once you add those in the Nexus 7 2013 blows away any tablet I have EVER used. And I can assure you, I have used more than the average has.
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I dont know how Nexus 7 can be faster than this Note when on the same SoC type, Nexus 7 run max @ 1.5Ghz and Note is @ 2.3Ghz?
Even the 3 vs 2 GB ram can mean something.

LG must use thermal compound

Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?

Benchmarks mean nothing, the phone runs fine and quickly, games play fine at good frame rates, so its pointless doing this.
Transferring heat away from a components thats designed to handle it to a component that isnt is a bad idea. You may not think the screen is getting heated, but there a layers of very insulating glass between you and the LCD, you wont be aware just how warm it is. Heat affects LCDs, in time you might end up with a dark spot where the CPU is.

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Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
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What exactly is the "bang for your buck" that you require? What does the G2 not do for you that the Note 3 or Z1 does that is so crucial to daily life?
Because if it is just benchmarks, then as mentioned above, they mean nothing.

Billy Madison said:
Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
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not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease

bachera said:
not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease
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the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.

Benchmarks are the worse thing to ever happen to android. You would think that the moto x with its "out of date" specs still running smoother then the s5 would prove once and for all that benchmark scores are pointless. I don't care if the note 3 or s5 put up record breaking omg wtf fml scores...it still lags and mine doesn't! Lol....
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To add to this.... lets say you bought 2 cars. Both cost the same, one car says 700 hp, 0-60 in 3 seconds. The second car has 300 hp, 0-60 in 6 seconds. But once you get on the road, the 300 hp drives better, feels faster in every way and gets much better gas mileage. There's what's on paper, and there's real life.
Sent from my VS980 4G

bweN diorD said:
the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.
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but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?

mgolder said:
Benchmark d*ck swinging - The rankings equivalent of being the moron who still says 'FIRST' on a comments section
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lol, I dont mind good benchmarks, there just arent any on android that measure fluidness/real life snappyness.
First! after the guy who doesnt like firsts.

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but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?
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i dont see it. my phone was snappy and fluid before the update, its the same now.
as for the benchmark comments. i agree to a degree that they dont mean a lot, but a 25-35% drop seems a bit extreme for an update.
seems like they boosted the benches to boost sales when it was new.

The fluidity and the battery are awesome. I love everything on that phone. Even if LG doesn't keep it updated it will still be one great phone that i own/ed...

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Its pathetic you ACTUALLY care about benchmarks, lol.
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I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/

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I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.

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But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.
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Man, I want it to not lag earlyer than do another smartphones. Did you hear of lags when playing Spiderman 2? I've heard that G2 is not capable of playing this recent new game smoothly, as device with SD800 should. OK I don't play Spiderman2 and did not by to play benchmarks, I only use benchmarks as examples that internally G2, Nexus 4, Nexus 5 do not constructed properly. And as I did http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2299888 when I complained of improper color temperatures of G Pro LG reacted and made G2 display perfectly calibrated and on par with HTC One and iPhone 5S. So I think that in future G3 they'll do something with SoC cooling and improve performance when gaming for long time

Billy Madison said:
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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These things have nothing to do with benchmarks:
Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas?Overheating can be many things, I have yet to find a phone that doesnt overheat sometimes. Usually a clean instal fixes this nicely. Its Android I guess and faulty install scenarios.
It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? -> slow focus is the automatic focus, press on screen where you want focus and its almost instant. Google camera is pretty good. there are other settings that can tweak this.
That said, benchmarks in my opinion do nothing good for true user experience.
I do believe Android needs to step up on the user experience game as my comments above prove enough that this device, I say all android devices, need to much customization to be perfect. All these workarounds To fix these real issues that some users find anoying, not higher benchmarks are needed.

lol, and does kitkat score less in that? didnt see you post scores once with that nor found your arguments on it.Stop trolling yourself and post some proof then.
so my arguments from that standingpoint still hold.
I also couldnt find it featured on any major android website, wonder why.
the one benchmarktool I dont know, its only got 33 reviews, hardly antutu level. wonder if its representative.
This could be a benchmark that actually does measure some important stuff I am talking about. Interesting. thanks for sharing
omg the downloading is soo slow wow

ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.

People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc, its a phone lol, and its smoother than before KitKat. Xperia Z is a good example of benchmarks vs sucking in real life ex horrible battery life....

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ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.
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Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
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People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc.
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Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075

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Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075
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OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
As for HTC I agree, since the One X days they have gone pretty far, they are probably best Android manufacturer at Battery/Performance optimization IMO, and Sony is the worst.
My HTC Butterfly (Int DNA) with 2000 mAh battery lasts longer than the Xperia Z (2330 mAh) per charge. Sony Exmor cameras in iPhone and Galaxy S4 perform better than the Z1. At least LG aren't like Sony.

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OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
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So, well, at least it is for me to think over, is it something wrong with my unit or its just my latest ROM with knock code has bad optimization, and it will be improved in future. Or, maybe, my PVS of 3 has to do with too early heating of SoC than yours CPU. Maybe you have PVS of 0 or 1