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Why in the Hell Would Google Make a Tablet That Most People Will use to Watch Movies

Only allow a total of 16gb of storage. Wth! This is actually keeping me from buying this badass device. Hell, before even installing any apps or music, you would only be able to put about 16 movies on it. This is just ignorant to me. I'm wanting this thing so bad but I know I wouldn't be able to enjoy it.
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Otg cable and SD card reader...

BLAQK ROXSTAR said:
Otg cable and SD card reader...
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Yeah, once you root it. Average 'users' are either scared off by that or don't even know what that means.
That said, yes, it is very sad there isn't a bigger storage option or USB OTG host capability otb, but we make it work however we have to.
-Ara

Do people not read??
If you actually took a blind bit of notice instead of just posting rubbish. The whole point of the tablet is to use cloud storage.

For me it's different. I always looked at 32gb and 64gb devices (phones or tablets) as a waste of cash. It's so easy to just delete/replace music or movies. I guess some people have so much music and videos to store in their devices. Why not just put 4-5 movies, 4-5 gb of music, a few games and apps.
I wouldn't like to pay 100$ more just to get an extra 16gb, when I can buy a 2tb external hard drive for the same price or a 500gb portable HDD.

You need more than 16 movies on the device at one time to enjoy it?

I understand cloud storage is supposed to be the greatest thing since Japan... but if your internet connection is not rock solid you get buffer bloat and an awful experience, I would prefer to have my music local in flac.
Incidentally I'm still not sure what a tablet is supposed to do... I mean why not just use a laptop, I love android but windows is so much more capable and justifies a case.

Can't really make use of cloud storage when sitting on long car trips, and tethering 3G to watch a 3-4GB movie is far from ideal. Cloud storage is in its infancy with the bandwidth restrictions we have, not quite ready yet.

busties said:
Only allow a total of 16gb of storage. Wth! This is actually keeping me from buying this badass device. Hell, before even installing any apps or music, you would only be able to put about 16 movies on it. This is just ignorant to me. I'm wanting this thing so bad but I know I wouldn't be able to enjoy it.
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Actually don't make your decision based on the SD storage (again its not an issue for some). Have a look at the defects threads, quality of the product and manufacturing defects before you make the call. All these issues are reported from 2-3 weeks of usage.
Good luck.

epichappy said:
I understand cloud storage is supposed to be the greatest thing since Japan... but if your internet connection is not rock solid you get buffer bloat and an awful experience, I would prefer to have my music local in flac.
Incidentally I'm still not sure what a tablet is supposed to do... I mean why not just use a laptop, I love android but windows is so much more capable and justifies a case.
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If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand. Seriously. I used to make those same arguments. One doesn't replace the other. I carry an i7 notebook with 16 GB of RAM just about everywhere I go, at least have it in the truck, and I also take my tablet. If you ever get in the habit of using one or carrying one, it will make sense but it's hard to explain it to someone that hasn't gotten used to one. My other tablet is a 32 GB Transformer Prime, and I've never needed to use 16 GB. I use 25 or so GB but it's only because a lot of nandroid backups on there are old and I haven't gotten around to cleaning house that week on my internal storage. I go through about once a week or so and clear out about 10 GB or so of old nandroid backups.

Did we REALLY need another thread about storage/ Thank goodness you are not going to buy one....

Moricon said:
Did we REALLY need another thread about storage/ Thank goodness you are not going to buy one....
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Ditto

Moricon said:
Did we REALLY need another thread about storage/ Thank goodness you are not going to buy one....
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Shove it up your ass.

busties said:
Shove it up your ass.
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He's actually right. If you actually took the time to use the search function, there are actually numerous posts regarding cloud storage and the use of an USB OTG. Search next time.

busties said:
Only allow a total of 16gb of storage. Wth! This is actually keeping me from buying this badass device. Hell, before even installing any apps or music, you would only be able to put about 16 movies on it. This is just ignorant to me. I'm wanting this thing so bad but I know I wouldn't be able to enjoy it.
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Movie wise, if you officially buy them they will be in cloud storage requiring network connection and you also have the option to download them. If you load the mp4s onto your device it takes up space

Or do what I did and use a NAS server (I use a raspberry pi - for low electricity cost what with it being on all day/night - with samba client and 1TB external hard disk) at home and copy films and content you want for the day/week/month off of that. Can stream from it up to about 720p with no problems any higher requires a bit of buffering if I am in the house or even at another wifi spot (a bit more buffering required depending on connection).
As for portable storage I have installed about 21 games already including some like shadowgun, batman, NOVA 3 and Modern Combat 3 that take up a load of space and I still have 5GB left free on the Nexus. If you want more room then I hear Apple make a nice 32GB wi-fi only model for just £479...oh and that's not expandable either. Even if you go for the 16GB wifi only the money you save by buying the nexus 7 is enough to rent more than a film a week for the next year.

My plan is too use my USB OTG cable (that i ordered from amazon) for use of movies and the 16 Gb for apps

busties said:
Only allow a total of 16gb of storage. Wth! This is actually keeping me from buying this badass device. Hell, before even installing any apps or music, you would only be able to put about 16 movies on it. This is just ignorant to me. I'm wanting this thing so bad but I know I wouldn't be able to enjoy it.
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They want to push their cloud services and media through google play. How many movies do you need on there at once?

You could make the same argument about any tablet that doesnt have infinite storage.
"What's the point of a tablet that can't store every movie ever made in the contiguous 48 states!!?! Argh!"
If you think its a stupid product, don't buy it...but you don't have to come over here harshing on our buzz.
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busties said:
Only allow a total of 16gb of storage. Wth! This is actually keeping me from buying this badass device. Hell, before even installing any apps or music, you would only be able to put about 16 movies on it. This is just ignorant to me. I'm wanting this thing so bad but I know I wouldn't be able to enjoy it.
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streaming.
just enjoyed my nexus7 for at least 4-hr streaming 2 movies from my fileserver and wife watched Viki (korean dramas) for at least 3-hr, and play some games for a couple more.
from 98% battery to 4%.
lotsa storage left.
ps: i think Google intend this to be a stay-at-home device where u can get WiFi (and file shares)

How's everyone is holding up with the Nexus 4's limited storage.

So this is my first Nexus and my first smartphone where I don't have expandable memory. While I love the phone I'm sure most people including myself wish there was at least a 32gb model. Regardless there's not no sense in beating a dead horse. Just curious on how everyone's making due and what are your solution to the problem. I currently use Dropbox for pics and spotify and Google Music for music. It's working okay so far but apps aren't small these days so they take up some space
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So this is my first Nexus and my first smartphone where I don't have expandable memory. While I love the phone I'm sure most people including myself wish there was at least a 32gb model. Regardless there's not no sense in beating a dead horse. Just curious on how everyone's making due and what are your solution to the problem. I currently use Dropbox for pics and spotify and Google Music for music. It's working okay so far but apps aren't small these days so they take up some space
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My solution was to order a PQI Air Drive and put my 64gb microsd card in it, works like a charm. Was lucky enough to snag one on groupon for 50 bux which came with a 32gb card already.

djkinetic said:
My solution was to order a PQI Air Drive and put my 64gb microsd card in it, works like a charm. Was lucky enough to snag one on groupon for 50 bux which came with a 32gb card already.
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Never heard of it ill have to look it up isn't that basically a cloud though
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I don't even need the 8GB of space.

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I don't even need the 8GB of space.
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This. I still have 4.2GB free. Local storage is for the birds.
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El Daddy said:
This. I still have 4.2GB free. Local storage is for the birds.
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can you please tell me after everything installed in the 8gb version , how much gb free you have??

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can you please tell me after everything installed in the 8gb version , how much gb free you have??
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5.67GB is the formatted capacity.
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El Daddy said:
5.67GB is the formatted capacity.
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So plaint of space for a old user like me...lol thanks for your fast replay. so i think iam going to by one in ebay...lol

2.99GB free as of now

800mb's free, thank god for the dup backup method in cwm recovery otherwise i'd only be able to keep one backup rather many.

peachpuff said:
800mb's free, thank god for the dup backup method in cwm recovery otherwise i'd only be able to keep one backup rather many.
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Why keep so many backups? I used to keep 2 but I never reverted back to anything except the most recent one. Now I don't even bother with nandroids.

13gb:beer:
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I have a Galaxy Tab 7 Plus 16GB and I have at least 10 GB free. I would have got 8GB but we only have 16GB version.
I use it for Web browsing, some music and games.
I agree those who have a lot of media files on their phones will face problems. But an OTG cable will solve the issue.
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I got the 16gb version but have 50gb on my dropbox account so its not issue to me

Just fine, I would have liked the 16gb but it wasn't available so I've made due with the 8gb and it hasn't been much of an issue.

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800mb's free, thank god for the dup backup method in cwm recovery otherwise i'd only be able to keep one backup rather many.
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no reason to keep backups on your phone at all. store them on your pc or backup drive. should something happen you can always push it to your phone, either manually via abd (push file /sdcard/) or nexus toolkit comfortably.

The space has not effected me very much at all. Compared to my 8 GB iPod Touch my 16 GB Nexus 4 is a luxury.
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about 2gb free on the 8Gb version... I'll admit its a bit annoying at times, but overall not really an issue. The Google music, drive and box account for cloud storage basically take care of everything.
The saving grace is google music.. (did the hack to get it working in canada etc..) without that 8Gb would just not be enough at all.

4.2 gb

My last phone was a gs3 and I had a 32gb sd card in it. It being hooked up to sprint I personally couldn't rely I cloud services like I do now my service was that bad, and mind you I live in NY. having switched to A&tt is a lot better . I guess it just a little weird to look at my phone and only see 5gbs free.
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Regretting i got the 8GB

How do some of you guys get around with teh 8GB version? I thought 8GB was enough for awhile, but now that i decides to put some games on i ran out of space. In fact i ran out of space as i was about to install teh game from the play store, but it stoped before it can get finished now the game isn't even there it still took up the space that it downloaded. any idea how i can get the space back

I really don't game much, I usually only have one or two installed at a time, I lose interest too quick. 8gb has been more than enough for me. I think you know the answer to your question. Move stuff off your phone that you don't need or uninstall games you don't play.

Not sure if this is gonna help you get that extra space back, but some Apps/Games download files which are stored in your SdCard/storage space.
try looking through /sdcard/Android/Data and see if you see it there and just delete the folder. If not...well i tried.

Don't have an answer for you other than moving stuff off. However to answer your question I get by perfectly fine with my 8gb. In fact I have 2.5 GB still free on mine and I will never fill it. I don't game on my phone (don't have time too) I just use it as a phone and G+ device.
I do hope you find a solution though. You could buy a 16gb then sell the 8 but I am sure you would have done that if you could
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Even 16 is not enough (for me)!
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Not sure if this is gonna help you get that extra space back, but some Apps/Games download files which are stored in your SdCard/storage space.
try looking through /sdcard/Android/Data and see if you see it there and just delete the folder. If not...well i tried.
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Thanks that really helped.It was in that folder, but it was hidden i had to use ES explore to go in and find it.
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I really don't game much, I usually only have one or two installed at a time, I lose interest too quick. 8gb has been more than enough for me. I think you know the answer to your question. Move stuff off your phone that you don't need or uninstall games you don't play.
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I was like you when i first bought it too, but my offline gps takes about 1 gb for my states. Then 2 custom ROM files takes about another gb and that leaves me with about 2 gb left. 1 HD game takes about another GB. The whole phone requires about 1 GB(remaining) to function normally (for camera/video features). It would also resttrict all syncing when u run under 500MB. It's rather frustrating Google didn't offer the it as a 16GB as a minimum.

I personally think the microSD option is a great idea. I don't know why so many companies abandoned it.

You're welcome haha. I went through the samething before and learned myself that some files are stored on the phone even if you uninstall the app. Hope you don't mind clicking the thank button

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I personally think the microSD option is a great idea. I don't know why so many companies abandoned it.
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Cost basically. Its cheaper to manufacture without it. To keep a lower price point in the N4 (and well, the other Nexus devices), the added features of other phones (such as microSD support) are removed. Fortunately, devices are starting to ship with more internal storage (like the HTC One and S4), so I suspect the next Nexus phone will see somewhat more. Of course, if the rumors are true, there may very well be a new version of the N4 announced at I/O. We'll see.

For me it is enough. +20 songs, gta III and vice city, almost 50 apps and their backups. But hey, I'll love the 16 gb even when I'm happy with 8.
Just don't keep all the zips from nightlies of the roms
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Even 16 is not enough (for me)!
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Yes 32gb would be perfect for this phone
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18000 mp3's in the cloud, photos and movies on my WD n900 2tb router, and plex for all my media. I don't need more than 8gb I store everything in the cloud.
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18000 mp3's in the cloud, photos and movies on my WD n900 2tb router, and plex for all my media. I don't need more than 8gb I store everything in the cloud.
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Cloud is only for rich people unfortunately.

Fataldesain said:
18000 mp3's in the cloud, photos and movies on my WD n900 2tb router, and plex for all my media. I don't need more than 8gb I store everything in the cloud.
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Yeah, the cloud is nice, but what about those who pay outrageous prices for their data? or those located in an area with terrible data speeds? Streaming isn't really an option because of the cost and/or buffering for those two examples. Personally, 16GB isn't enough for me at all. I have 35GB of music on my computer and while it's also uploaded to Google Music, I prefer not to stream to keep my costs down. I managed to cut my synced music down to 7GB of my most favourite tunes, so that still barely leaves me with 5GB for apps (I have about 100), pictures, games, and other misc. storage... It's pretty tight to manage, so 32GB or even 64GB would be a preferable option for me. I love everything else about the N4, so I try to live with just 16GB, but it's really quite low by today's standards. Google should have known this (and I know they do, but they just want to push their cloud services... this is old news by now)

I have the 16GB, two nandroids (one stock, one backup), 1GB of music, some pictures and a few casual games.
Left with 6GB. can't imagine life with the 8GB.

I been using drop box, it works for me.
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I don't plan on storing a lot of stuff on my phone, have my Nexus 10 for that But I ordered a 8GB N4 just now.
I know when I had my 8GB N7 (now currently discontinued), I found it a pain to hold everything I wanted. Hopefully, I won't find the need to store so much on the N4.

The games I play, eg not FPS, don't take up much room so as of right now I have 4.58gb free.
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I don't plan on storing a lot of stuff on my phone, have my Nexus 10 for that But I ordered a 8GB N4 just now.
I know when I had my 8GB N7 (now currently discontinued), I found it a pain to hold everything I wanted. Hopefully, I won't find the need to store so much on the N4.
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Tablets are different IME, I store a bunch of comic books, books and video on my ipad so the 16gb got eaten up quickly. I don't do any of that on my n4, podcasts are on there and pics...that's about it.

I have the 8gb and loads of 1gb+ games on it, what's my secret? Delete the core file of the game when not playing and upon reopening the app it asks you to redownload it and ta-da all your data is still there!
BTW the 50gb box is use full to save carbon (renamed to helium) backups if you use 7 archiver to shrink it into 200mb zips
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If you just need space for media consider getting a wireless drive as an alternative to cloud storage.
I have the pqi air drive with a 32gb SD card on board and it works very well.
http://recombu.com/mobile/news/pqi-...-ios-and-android-devices-photos_M16479-1.html

[Q] Please tell me how to add 8gb more memory to my Nexus 4?

Hello colleagues, today became the owner of LG nexus4. Some time ago I wrote a brochure that the phone come with a slot for a micro SD card and without reference to the source or a second opinion, I bought the phone with 8GB memory. till now i have a phone with 16gb and somehow fit in it, but this 8gb are not enough for me. My question is if there is a way to add storage hardwarly somehow?

Nope, it's impossible. The only way would be to buy a different device.
Unless you want to find a ROM/kernel that supports USB OTG, and you could use a flash drive to store things. I'm not sure how well implemented this is on the n4 though.

That's easy. Just download Google drive; it offers 15gb free space .
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That's easy. Just download Google drive; it offers 15gb free space .
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And of course, how could I forget. The main reason for the lack of space is because Google is pushing cloud storage. It is the future after all, and I find it is so much easier than worrying about physical storage space.

The only problem with cloud storage is it requires a wifi connection and you cannot directly stream from it if wifi speeds arent fast enough, ex. music/movies. Thats why i despise cloud storage unless you need to store files that do not have to stay on your phone 24/7

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The only problem with cloud storage is it requires a wifi connection and you cannot directly stream from it if wifi speeds arent fast enough, ex. music/movies. Thats why i despise cloud storage unless you need to store files that do not have to stay on your phone 24/7
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If you have enough data, it can be useful anywhere you have a data connection. But of course, not everyone has that.

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Hello colleagues, today became the owner of LG nexus4. Some time ago I wrote a brochure that the phone come with a slot for a micro SD card and without reference to the source or a second opinion, I bought the phone with 8GB memory. till now i have a phone with 16gb and somehow fit in it, but this 8gb are not enough for me. My question is if there is a way to add storage hardwarly somehow?
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Hello punish, you can add hardware storage only with usb otg. Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2181820
You should have an otg y-cable and flash a zip in recovery.

But then you still have to be next to a power source for your extra storage. This is the single thing that seriously annoys me with the devices today.
I remember getting my old 5th gen iPod video 80gb back in 2005 when it first came out. And it still works perfectly fine today despite being 8 years old and using a hard drive instead of flash storage.
I mean how can companies offer a device with 8gb (5gb usable) and possibly suggest it is enough. That is 10 times less than a product from 8 years ago.
I know they are pushing cloud storage but still in today's world it is turd.
Not everybody has unlimited data.
No provider will have great reception everywhere.
Devices nowadays are pushing 1080p screens and you will only possibly be able to stream 1080 media on lte which will lower your reception areas down significantly.
Streaming files from the cloud will consume far more battery than playing local content.
I don't even understand how they thought that we are in a current state where cloud storage is better than local.
At least not until we have gigabit mobile internet and mobile sized flash storage that can write at those speeds. It's just a gimmick that can be used for backing up non important files and if your lucky streaming music.
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Alright, this thing is a real piece of crap but it'll have to do if you really need/want extra storage: http://www.zerolemon.com/details.ph...r-battery-case-2250mah-removable-battery-pack
You'll have to be a little handy since it needs to be modded. Basically, there's a LOT of wasted space inside the case, which makes it perfect for adding a usb flash drive / card reader.
I'm using a Kingston G2 reader with a 64gb microsdxc card. I'm really hoping they release a G3 with uhs support soon.. Class 10 is so slow.
The biggest issue I have with "cloud" services is the stupidity of Google Play Music. It'll cache and cache and cache with no limits. Sooner or later, it'll have gobbled up all the storage.

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reading comprehension

Sorry didn;t bother to read the rest of your message. Seems interesting, but maybe a bit of work. It's probably better to hope for the Nexus 5 to have OTG support and 32gb.
I was thinking about the Sandisk WiFi flashdrive: http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Connect-Wireless-Flash-SDWS2-032G-E57/dp/B00DBX371C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8

Thank you very much for you help colleagues. I want to ask, is it necessary to have my phone root and different from my original ''rom'' to connect to an external memory?

punish said:
Thank you very much for you help colleagues. I want to ask, is it necessary to have my phone root and different from my original ''rom'' to connect to an external memory?
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Yes because you have to use a custom kernel.

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Yes because you have to use a custom kernel.
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Then you have to put custom rom and this kernel on my phone .

try this instead:
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Conne...&sr=8-1&keywords=sandisk+wireless+flash+drive

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try this instead:
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Big gotcha with Wireless flash storage - when you connect to the wireless storage, you give up access to the cell network or other wifi you were using for data. Thus, you have to choose - data or storage. You can't have both.
Best solution to add 8gb more memory to a Nexus 4 is to get rid of the Nexus 4 and get a phone with more memory.

Hello colleagues, I finally decided to flash rum on my Nexus, but I do not rely ANSWER (micro usb flash memory). Can you tell me what you would read my phone or who put my rоm with any kernel?

Nvidia Shield 16G or "Pro" 500G?

So, what is the difference between the standard Shield TV with 16G, and the "Pro" version with a 500G HDD? Just the extra 500G storage? If so, is it simple to add an SSD to the 16G model, and get a better deal than the Pro version that way?
PS: for Black Fridays, the 16G version is dropping to 149.99$ with the remote included, so why is the point of the 500G version?

Just the storage difference. Most buy the 16GB and get a SD card.

It is not possible to add an SSD to the pro model without soldering. It doesn't have the headers. To be honest the pro feels like less and less of good idea as time goes on -- I've been regretting that I bought that version. If you want to store a very large amount of apps or media it can be useful but it really doesn't have any way to justify the price.

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It is not possible to add an SSD to the pro model without soldering. It doesn't have the headers. To be honest the pro feels like less and less of good idea as time goes on -- I've been regretting that I bought that version. If you want to store a very large amount of apps or media it can be useful but it really doesn't have any way to justify the price.
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So, if I buy the 16G, and root it, and install utorrent in it... can I just attach a 1TB USB 3.0 to it, and have uTorrent download movies to it? Can I just sideload the apks to the Micro SD as well?

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So, if I buy the 16G, and root it, and install utorrent in it... can I just attach a 1TB USB 3.0 to it, and have uTorrent download movies to it? Can I just sideload the apks to the Micro SD as well?
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Nothing you've said there requires root, unless you have another reason to root?
Depending on the drive, the HDD may need a powered hub. My FireTV did.
From what I've read apps can be moved to MicroSD but not USB.
Torrenting movies makes you a -edit- bad person

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Nothing you've said there requires root, unless you have another reason to root?
Depending on the drive, the HDD may need a powered hub. My FireTV did.
From what I've read apps can be moved to MicroSD but not USB.
Torrenting movies makes you a -edit- bad person
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You are very quick to point a finger, aren't you? I always find 'your' type of people to be the ones hiding the ugliest stones =].
Ok, let's say I need to torrent movies, but never specified that the movies I need are home made movies shot in my country, where the internet speeds are very slow, and torrenting my family's movies are the fastest, most stable way of getting them.
My reasons to root are the same that you signed up in this forum for, in the first place (see what I did there?).

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It is not possible to add an SSD to the pro model without soldering. It doesn't have the headers. To be honest the pro feels like less and less of good idea as time goes on -- I've been regretting that I bought that version. If you want to store a very large amount of apps or media it can be useful but it really doesn't have any way to justify the price.
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Just the storage difference. Most buy the 16GB and get a SD card.
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Thanks for your help, I decided to go with the 16G model, and open it up for modding/destroying it. In theory, soldering is easy, but I'll be scared if there's anything related to software mods :s. I read somewhere that someone was able to mount one of those flash hybrids though.