Hello,
I was wondering if anyone knew what the output impedance of the Desire Z is? Or if someone with a voltmeter could maybe test it? The only source i've managed to find online was some other random forum post which cites 64ohms which just seems way to high for a mobile device.
I'm planning on buying a pair of low impedance headphones and am trying to decide if I'll need to buy an amplifier.
Thanks
worldestroyer said:
Hello,
I was wondering if anyone knew what the output impedance of the Desire Z is? Or if someone with a voltmeter could maybe test it? The only source i've managed to find online was some other random forum post which cites 64ohms which just seems way to high for a mobile device.
I'm planning on buying a pair of low impedance headphones and am trying to decide if I'll need to buy an amplifier.
Thanks
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the lower the impedance of your headphones, the less power is needed to drive them
I have a normal multimeter, so I cant get the impedance with accruacy.
In my case I read alot on mp3 players and audio cards in them. on headfi.com forums I found some frequency graphics and the htc desire worth it. Its not a cowon player but its pretty good. way better than a iphone.
So I decided to bought audiotechnica ath-m50 studio closed cans headphones. they are always in the top 10 lists of audiophile forums.
They are 38 ohms impedance headphone, and its pretty impressive on the DZ. I can't barely see any difference on a real amp like yamaha or audioresearch one.
on audiophile forums lot say that youll need a amp, buy with poweramp app its just allright.
Just had a go at measuring the output impedance of my Desire Z.
R Load = 19.9 ohm resistor
V = 171.3mV
V load = 76.7mV
Zo = 24.5 ohms
So output impedance is quite high, ideally use headphones with impedance of 300 ohms or above, low impedance headphones will work but will draw more current and won't sound as manufacturer intended but may well sound fine for day to day use.
My Sony broadcast headphones are 32 ohm whereas my Beyer DT100's are 400 ohm so a much better match for the DZ, both play loud, the DT's therefore are more efficient at converting input power into sound pressure.
measured again with 180 ohm load
Zo = 24.9 ohms
Hello all audiophile Z5 owners!
How is the headphone output on this phone?
Is the quality good and loud?
Where can I find more specifications of the headphone jack and internal amp?
TordFuglstad said:
Hello all audiophile Z5 owners!
How is the headphone output on this phone?
Is the quality good and loud?
Where can I find more specifications of the headphone jack and internal amp?
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I wouldn't say I was a proper audio file but the audio on the z5 is good its really clear and louder than previous Z phones but once again sony have missed the loudness trick.
After reading GSM arenas review of the C5 ultra and the M5 saying without headphones the volume levels were 'excellently high' and with headphones they fell to below average on the C5 and fell on the M5 too but it was so high on the M5 to start off with that that it still remained a good volume. So this means that the M5 is louder than the Z5 range, I had high hopes for the Z line then they tested the Z5C and it just got a average.
According to GSM Arena.
Audio quality has its ups and downs
The Sony Xperia Z5 Compact did a very good job in the first part of our audio quality test, where it's connected to an active external amplifier. The scores it got were great top to bottom but it only matched them with an average volume level so we can't quite call it perfect.
Plugging in a pair of headphones harm the stereo crosstalk but it remained decent, but it also introduced a bit of frequency response deviation and brought the volume down a notch. Not too bad of a showing, but certainly not one worth bragging about.
I can't consider myself an audiophile but I will say the Z5 audio is an.improvement over the Z5 in both clarity and volume. It doesn't approach ZTE Axon level of quality and HTC M9 volume but it is adequate for the casual listener. I have dsee hx switched on which disables all other audio settings.
how is the volume in z5 compare to z3
entra6 said:
how is the volume in z5 compare to z3
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louder than Z3 but imo could be louder yet still
RCJ89 said:
louder than Z3 but imo could be louder yet still
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Exactly, well stated.
Coming from the Z1 it's a massive improvement on just about every level: Cleaner, wider and louder. It's very good, I'd say - I've certainly enjoyed listening to music on it very much!
"Loud enough"? How loud do you need it to be? Any louder than it is and I'm sure you'd hurt your hearing: it's plenty loud.
Timaustin2000 said:
Coming from the Z1 it's a massive improvement on just about every level: Cleaner, wider and louder. It's very good, I'd say - I've certainly enjoyed listening to music on it very much!
"Loud enough"? How loud do you need it to be? Any louder than it is and I'm sure you'd hurt your hearing: it's plenty loud.
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Tbh there are many phones alot louder than the Z5 and the whole sony range and people are not complaining. There are phones from HTC, Iphone, Note 4/5/Edge Plus and especially Xiaomi and Meizu that are alot louder.
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Tbh there are many phones alot louder than the Z5 and the whole sony range and people are not complaining. There are phones from HTC, Iphone, Note 4/5/Edge Plus and especially Xiaomi and Meizu that are alot louder.
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Of that I have no doubt but do people put those phones to max volume? Do they need to? The ability and necessity are two separate things.
The Z5 is plenty loud for just about any headphone need, so far as I can make out. I'd certainly never put it to max.
Allright, so I purchased the graphite black Z5 yesterday. I have done some quick listening to the audio out of the jack through my ATH IM50 in ear monitors and haven't broken in the hardware yet. But I can definitely hear a difference from the Z3. All over the sound is very clear, it seems like a good separation and I can definitely get some really smooth low tones and crisp higher tones as well. I haven't been fooling around with the EQ yet. But feel like I don't need to.
About the loudness, I feel it is louder than the Z3 and very much loud enough to run a pair of good IEM's like the IM50's. I am listening now and have the volume two down from maximum. Probably won't be as loud with some big headphones. But any a person with a little self respect will have a headphone amp for that purpose. :good:
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Of that I have no doubt but do people put those phones to max volume? Do they need to? The ability and necessity are two separate things.
The Z5 is plenty loud for just about any headphone need, so far as I can make out. I'd certainly never put it to max.
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Fair enough for me its the bigger expensive headphones that make the difference with less expensive headphones like in ear or on ear it is never loud enough, in a busy street i still can hear noise around me.
I know some people who do have them on max volume definitely. I always had my note 4 on max volume and my HTC M7 and my 6S but only with lesser expensive headphones on headphones £200 and over no need to but even when are not at max they are still louder than Z5 at Max volume. Each to their own at the end of the day but sometimes its not always practical for me to carry around my larger headphones so I use in ear ones than I can just put in my pocket.
Hi,
I'm also trying to squeeze perfect sound from android. I use this portable DAC
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/audioquest-dragonfly-v12-usb-dac/
via USB OTG cable. For playback I use "USB audio player pro". It can stream very high resolution audio files. At the moment I'm listening music on Audio technica ATH M50x headphones.
Sound with external DAC is a way better than directly from audio jack
RCJ89 said:
Tbh there are many phones alot louder than the Z5 and the whole sony range and people are not complaining. There are phones from HTC, Iphone, Note 4/5/Edge Plus and especially Xiaomi and Meizu that are alot louder.
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That's unfortunate. One of the reasons I sent back my iPhone 6s, and opted to get a Z5 Compact is because I didn't think the sound of the 6s was much of a step up from my iPhone 4s. I was hoping the Z5 would be louder and fuller, especially for in-ear headphones at the gym. Might just be the headphones I've been using though. Maybe an upgrade in that department would resolve any potential issues I might have with the Z5.
I use sennheiser mm50 ip in ear phones with poweramp set to rock preset and to me the sound is nice crisp quality at loud enough volume levels
Sent from my Xperia z5 by Tapatalk
@TordFuglstad & @Timaustin2000 I've been enjoying your camera works (on 'that' thread) very much. Maybe you guys could post on the 'regular' photo thread at times
Don't get me wrong, guys. Before dropping > $100 on a pair of cans, maybe an 'audiophile' should get a cheap $50 DAC first. But it's not very convenient - we all know. That's why I'm looking at LDAC for the first time (wireless SQ is usually terrible compared to wired). LDAC could still be over-hyped, I'm willing to give it shot for the first time. But I can't find too many LDAC headphones to choose from. Any suggestions?
I read that there is no custom DAC in the Z5 (vs. Z3), but they added LDAC support. Unfortunately, I can't find almost any headphones that support it. I was really hoping they would have added it to the SBH bluetooth line by now.
How does the audio quality compare to HTC Butterfly s (which I have now) or I9505 Galaxy S4? What about HTC M9 or iPhone 6?
I take GSMArena's results with a grain of salt. I bought the Butterfly s partly based on their review saying the volume was loud and that there was no distortion. Unfortunately, while the audio quality is great at medium-high volumes the bass distorts above 12/15, and there is hissing with IEMs.
My questions are 1) do these hiss? and 2) do they distort with bass? (test track would be Daft Punk - Touch)
I'm a hardcore SONY audiophile, and while the Z5 is fantastic, the Walkman ZX2 is still by FAR my favorite mobile music player when coupled with the XBA-Z5 in-earphones ( made in Japan ) and/or Z7 headphones ( made in Japan) by Sony,
followed in close 2nd place by the newer less pricey ZX100 Walkman, which is a step up from the A series.
Lol even the A series is stomping on the Z5. No point to compare it to the zx2/1/100
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Guys I need your valuable opinion about the audio dac on this for NORMAL earphones like RHA s500. does it feel lot different as of compared to other phones on normal earphones or do we need High impedance headphone ?
Am in dilemma of purchase decision
Am a music lover
Getting fed better audio should benefit most decent headphones. Of course the higher quality headphones will see the most benefit and take full advantage of the V20's audio capabilities. You don't need high impedance to take advantage of the quad DACs capabilities. It just delivers more "juice" to higher impedance headphones that require more power to drive. Some specific lower impedance headphones may do better if you could manually turn on the high output mode, my Audeze iSine 10s for example, but in general it will be fine for most earphone out there.
Just tested my Axon 7 (also a with a high quality DAC/AMP on board) vs My LG G5 (standard built in audio) with some cheap but pretty good sounding earphone ($10 to $15 KZ ZST ). I can sounds cleaner and voices are a little "sweeter". It more noticeable with my more expensive gear.
If you're into audio the V20 or Axon 7 are the phones to get, but there should be other reason to select a phone as well. Unless you really really desire superior audio, I wouldn't make my buying decision based solely on that.
I can hear a difference. It clearer sounding and vocals are a bit sweater. If you not big into audio it may be a bit subtle, at least at first.
I use AudioFX on my OPO and it's so good. Bass are through the roof (which is what I love).
My OPO is getting old. Thinking of going A1. How is the sound quality from the headphones?
Thank you!
If you use earphones, the sound and the bass will be same no matter what device you are hearing on as the amps of most phones can sufficiently drive them.
Only when you are using big headphones with a lot of impedance will you hear a difference in bass and volume as low powered amps cannot drive them properly.
The DACs and amps should produce 1:1 reproduction of the sound unless you are using any equalizer.
So you are hearing the same sound no matter what device you are hearing on.
The Mi A1 produces a hissing sound when used with low impedance earphones and headphones.
so i like the phone and i don't want to return it just cuz of that , so i decided to buy better earbud , what are my options? ear buds that lies deep inside ear and not HeadPhones that goes around it .. i want to know the best suggestions that prices aren't that high and have no hissing .. thanks in advance .
I'm currently using Faaeal Narcissus and I don't hear any hissing sounds. It costs $27 at Aliexpress, but if you want something cheaper, I suggest you try the 64 ohm variants which you can get for as low as $8. I assume that these 64 ohm ones would have very minimal to no hissing.
LALS96 said:
I'm currently using Faaeal Narcissus and I don't hear any hissing sounds. It costs $27 at Aliexpress, but if you want something cheaper, I suggest you try the 64 ohm variants which you can get for as low as $8. I assume that these 64 ohm ones would have very minimal to no hissing.
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thanks for your suggestions , do you have some link for them?
NVM5282 said:
thanks for your suggestions , do you have some link for them?
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Here's Faaeal's official store at AliExpress aliexpress.com/store/2178200?spm=2114.search0104.3.14.LPdCMB
My last year's Xiaomi Piston II's don't have any hiss. But neither do the cheap ones in the box of my old P9 lite...
Both were like reborn plugged in to the Mi A1, great sound for the price!
Xiaomi Hybrid Mi In-Ear Pro HD, no hiss at all.
I think any over the ear headphone with impedance greater than 32 ohm will have any issue
On another threat it said that even Apple Ear Pods (45 ohms) experience some hissing. Apparently the higher the better, it should support up to 600 ohms.
Consider that another headset might have inferior sound quality, depending on how good your current cans are (and some very good headphones have some very low impedance). So even if you get rid of the hissing, you might pay a price in overall quality.
invertedchicken said:
On another threat it said that even Apple Ear Pods (45 ohms) experience some hissing. Apparently the higher the better, it should support up to 600 ohms.
Consider that another headset might have inferior sound quality, depending on how good your current cans are (and some very good headphones have some very low impedance). So even if you get rid of the hissing, you might pay a price in overall quality.
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Apple ear pods connect via Bluetooth. Not via 3.5mm jack.
alkesh95 said:
Apple ear pods connect via Bluetooth. Not via 3.5mm jack.
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Nope, that would be Apple AirPods
The Ear Pods are just their fancy name for the cheap regular headphones you get with any iPhone.