Database Users

S4 octa GPU is'nt much behind than adreno 330

The Samsung Galaxy S4 LTE-A edition with the Snapdragon
800 chip inside is understandable getting the attention of
all benchmark-loving geeks. The smartphone was already
put through its paces in a couple of benchmarks last week,
but today, another batch of benchmarks has surfaced
showing what the Adreno 320 GPU is capable of.
The benchmarks that were used are GFX Bench 2.7, Epic
Citadel, AnTuTu 3D, and 3DMark benchmark, The Wi-Fi
adapter in the phone was put through some testing as well
to see if supports higher speeds than its Snapdragon 600
and Octa variations.
But now onto the benchmark scores, which were provided as
screenshots of chart tables. However, we’ve converted them
to our trusty benchmark graphs.
Starting off with the AnTuTu 3D Rating benchmark, the
Samsung Galaxy S4 LTE-A is the definite winner among
Android smartphones, but is far behind the iPhone 5, which
scores north of 13000 points. That’s unsurprising though, as
the first run is of the actual resolution of the respective
smartphone. Since the iPhone 5′s resolution is much lower
than the one of the Galaxy S4, it’s normal for Apple’s
smartphone to take that one.
Higher is better
Sort by Label Sort by Value
13671 Apple iPhone 5
9465 Samsung Galaxy S4 (LTE-A)
7587 Samsung Galaxy S4 (Octa)
6984 Vega IRON
5929 Nexus 4
5632 LG Optimus G
1661 LG Optimus 4X HD
However, when it comes to offscreen benchmarking, the
Adreno 320 takes the lead of the iPhone 5, but still loses
to the Octa version of the Galaxy S4.
Higher is better
Sort by Label Sort by Value
2781 Samsung Galaxy S4 (Octa)
2658 Samsung Galaxy S4 (LTE-A)
2564 Apple iPhone 5
2366 Samsung Galaxy Note II
6984 Vega IRON
2084 Vega N6
2062 Samsung Galaxy S3
2036 Vega R3
1974 HTC One X+
Moving onto the 3DMark benchmark test, the Galaxy S4 is
on top with 17075 points for the graphics score on the
“Icestorm Detail” level.
Higher is better
Sort by Label Sort by Value
17075 Samsung Galaxy S4 (LTE-A)
12628 Vega IRON
10647 Samsung Galaxy S4 (LTE-A)
11439 Google Nexus 4
9400 LG Optimus G PRO
Lastly, there’s Epic Citadel. There, the Galaxy S4 LTE-A falls
behind the Galaxy S4 Octa yet again, but it’s more to do
with the fact that the benchmark runs onscreen and the
devices hit the 60 fps limit of their displays.
High er is better
Sort by Label Sort by Value
59 . 8 Samsung Galaxy S4 (Octa)
59 . 2 Samsung Galaxy S4 (LTE-A)
57 . 5 Samsung Galaxy S4 Active
57 . 1 Samsung Galaxy S4 (S600)
56 . 4 HTC One
55 . 6 Sony Xperia Z
54 . 2 LG Optimus G Pro
53 . 9 Nexus 4
53 . 4 Asus Padfone 2
52 . 6 LG Optimus G
41 . 3 Samsung Galaxy S III
38 . 6 Oppo Find 5
And finally, we get on to the Wi-Fi Bandwidth test. The
Galaxy S4 LTE-A sits on top scoring 80392 points on the
5GHz band and 46411 on the 2.4GHz band. The Octa core
variety gets 76739 points and 45492 points on the 5GHz
and 2.4GHz band, respectively.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-lte-a-with-snapdragon-800-gets-gpu-benchmark-action/

Hi you stated twice Galaxy S4 LTE A witch ones octa ? Thanks
Moving onto the 3DMark benchmark test, the Galaxy S4 is
on top with 17075 points for the graphics score on the
“Icestorm Detail” level.
Higher is better
Sort by Label Sort by Value
17075 Samsung Galaxy S4 (LTE-A)
12628 Vega IRON
10647 Samsung Galaxy S4 (LTE-A)
11439 Google Nexus 4
9400 LG Optimus G PRO

wheres the default normal I9505 (Snapdragon 600) scores?

Quoted from GSM arena
"As you can clearly see, the Snapdragon 800 wipes the floor with both the*Samsung Galaxy S4 Exynos 5 Octa*andGalaxy S4 Snapdragon 600. In AnTuTu the difference between the scores is 3701 points, or just over 14% while in Quadrant it's more substantial at nearly 50%. Owners of the Octa and Snapdragon 600 versions of the phone*might feel a bit off*at this point"
Sent from my GT-I9500 using xda premium

plasmastate said:
Quoted from GSM arena
"As you can clearly see, the Snapdragon 800 wipes the floor with both the*Samsung Galaxy S4 Exynos 5 Octa*andGalaxy S4 Snapdragon 600. In AnTuTu the difference between the scores is 3701 points, or just over 14% while in Quadrant it's more substantial at nearly 50%. Owners of the Octa and Snapdragon 600 versions of the phone*might feel a bit off*at this point"
Sent from my GT-I9500 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why? Because an updated phone has a higher GPU score in a benchmark that won't be seen in everyday use throughout the entire lifetime of any of the three phones? Er....no. I'm happy with my GS4 and that isn't going to change because an updated model has been released two months after I purchased it.
Some people really need to get a grip and break this stupid obsession with benchmark scores. Once you get beyond a certain score they're nothing but numbers.

Who cares anyway about benchmarks, they dont mean anything. there is also no single game that demands such a gpu power. yeah cool within 2 years maybe but then ill have the S6
Sent from my GT-I9505 using xda app-developers app

plasmastate said:
Quoted from GSM arena
"As you can clearly see, the Snapdragon 800 wipes the floor with both the*Samsung Galaxy S4 Exynos 5 Octa*andGalaxy S4 Snapdragon 600. In AnTuTu the difference between the scores is 3701 points, or just over 14% while in Quadrant it's more substantial at nearly 50%. Owners of the Octa and Snapdragon 600 versions of the phone*might feel a bit off*at this point"
Sent from my GT-I9500 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't agree with that, i used a galaxy s3 and compared to the i9505 it is so much faster. Why should people feel a bit off just because a updated phone is out ? technique is changing everyday and not everyone cares about the newest stuff that got released. We already knew Samsung would release a updated version somewhere in the summer, people had a choice.

Hello do you know the price of the s4 LTE.A
Its about $900. For that our snap600 its better... :beer:
Sent from my GT-I9505 using xda app-developers app

We all can try our best to justify our purchase of i9500 and i9505 but nothing can change the fact that the lteA variant is faster, battery efficient, has quick charge like s600, has low power voice command for wakeup, has significantly better gpu, native 4k playback, 4k video recording etc.
But we have to keep in mind that all this won't make our s4 any worse or better, it is still running the way it was.
The only thing I am disappointed with is the octacores poor optimisation and a half baked silicon for big.little. I dont care if the snap 800 is faster or not but the octacore has alot of potential. Only if it was optimized better!
Sent from my GT-I9500 using xda premium

plasmastate said:
We all can try our best to justify our purchase of i9500 and i9505 but nothing can change the fact that the lteA variant is faster, battery efficient, has quick charge like s600, has low power voice command for wakeup, has significantly better gpu, native 4k playback, 4k video recording etc.
But we have to keep in mind that all this won't make our s4 any worse or better, it is still running the way it was.
The only thing I am disappointed with is the octacores poor optimisation and a half baked silicon for big.little. I dont care if the snap 800 is faster or not but the octacore has alot of potential. Only if it was optimized better!
Sent from my GT-I9500 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It doesn't have any of the bolded parts. The only thing is better at is the GPU power and efficiency. That's all.
Don't forget that it costs about 100$ to 150$ more than the regular S4 so even if I have the option to peek the LTE-A variant 1.5 months ago I wouldn't cause it doesn't deserve the 100$ difference.

Guys I'm considering buying a s4-lte
But how's the ROM support
Are the ROMs for the snapdragon 600 comlaitable with it

Slm.Alsini said:
Guys I'm considering buying a s4-lte
But how's the ROM support
Are the ROMs for the snapdragon 600 comlaitable with it
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Maybe, not much I think. And NO, the Snapdragon 600 and 800 are totally different. It might brick if you flash a S600 ROM on the phone.
Sent from my Galaxy S4 i9500

noideaforusername said:
It doesn't have any of the bolded parts. The only thing is better at is the GPU power and efficiency. That's all.
Don't forget that it costs about 100$ to 150$ more than the regular S4 so even if I have the option to peek the LTE-A variant 1.5 months ago I wouldn't cause it doesn't deserve the 100$ difference.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You're incorrect. The chipset in the GS4 LTE-A does support 4k encode/decode. The MSM8974 is the first hardware from Qualcomm that supports that feature. Whether or not Samsung will enable it is another question but I am betting they will eventually through a software update.

racerex said:
You're incorrect. The chipset in the GS4 LTE-A does support 4k encode/decode. The MSM8974 is the first hardware from Qualcomm that supports that feature. Whether or not Samsung will enable it is another question but I am betting they will eventually through a software update.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Never said the chipset doesn't support it. Just the fact that it won't be used since the camera sensor doesn't support this.

noideaforusername said:
Never said the chipset doesn't support it. Just the fact that it won't be used since the camera sensor doesn't support this.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
May be the camera sensor wont support it but how about outputting the 4k encoded video files through the video player mate?

thekoRngear said:
May be the camera sensor wont support it but how about outputting the 4k encoded video files through the video player mate?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
From where did you get the 4k videos and why would you want to do so? The display is FHD so you could take the FHD version of the Video/Series you want to watch... Don't forget that 4k videos are 4 times the size of a FHD videos so you probably won't be even possibly place 4k video inside your device
If you meant through a 4k TV monitor, then yes it'll be an advantage which very few people will be able to use.

noideaforusername said:
From where did you get the 4k videos and why would you want to do so? The display is FHD so you could take the FHD version of the Video/Series you want to watch... Don't forget that 4k videos are 4 times the size of a FHD videos so you probably won't be even possibly place 4k video inside your device
If you meant through a 4k TV monitor, then yes it'll be an advantage which very few people will be able to use.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hmm. I got Elysium trailer. A 2min video sized 416 or so MB. My S3 has 720p display. But did the technology stop there? The CPU/GPU is capable of rendering a 1080p video via video player. And since snapdragon 800 can decode/output 4k videos the first thing I will be curious (if I had the LTE A) whether or not the S4 LTE A could play that out. I can make it to smaller whatever size (1080p, 720p, 480p, 360p) I want but that isnt my point.
If there is certain restriction that all the current gen 1080p SAMOLED/SLCDs are unable to output UHD contents that I am unaware of, then pardon me for wanting it. 4k videos though really rare till now. People rather watch the 1080p videos Sourced straight from 4k original like Amazing Spider Man.
Also, the making sense of outputting such high resolution stuffs off a comparatively small screen like 5"+1080p could be another question. But since the GPU has it, why not try it?
racerex said:
Whether or not Samsung will enable it is another question but I am betting they will eventually through a software update.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Amen to that.

Just tried a 4k video using mxplayer with all possible settings on my i9500 for the sake of fun. It struggles and plays at almost half the normal speed lol. I am curious to find out how the snap800s handle such video.
(Not that it is useful in real time, atleast not for me but yeah)
Sent from my GT-I9500 using xda premium

plasmastate said:
Just tried a 4k video using mxplayer with all possible settings on my i9500 for the sake of fun. It struggles and plays at almost half the normal speed lol. I am curious to find out how the snap800s handle such video.
(Not that it is useful in real time, atleast not for me but yeah)
Sent from my GT-I9500 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
MX Player uses sw decoder for 4k video playback and unfortunately it uses low power(little) CPUs. My i9500 can't even play 1080p videos correctly by sw decoder in MX player cause of wrong processing priority which is kernel related while nexus4 can handle that without problem
I think A15 CPUs can handle 4k playback with no problems
Sent from my GT-I9500 using Tapatalk 2

Pagnell said:
Why? Because an updated phone has a higher GPU score in a benchmark that won't be seen in everyday use throughout the entire lifetime of any of the three phones? Er....no. I'm happy with my GS4 and that isn't going to change because an updated model has been released two months after I purchased it.
Some people really need to get a grip and break this stupid obsession with benchmark scores. Once you get beyond a certain score they're nothing but numbers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agree , every version of this phone launched have its pros and cons . even in the same hardware field , which is really not noticeable at all in real life use. every version is fast , snappy and can handle 1080p contents just well . just lets hope we get proper optimization for our devices that should be our main worry

[Q] N9000 or N9005?

Considering the S4 mess with octa core support I'm not sure on what Note3 cpu model to follow... I'm tempted to get the N9000 because of the promised extra power of the cpu, also I'm living in a development country without LTE support. But previous experience with S4 cpu (currently got an I9500) is making the decision not so easy. Any input or opinion is welcomed.
Thanks.

I'm going to buy a Note 3 too and even though there is no LTE support in the country i live in, i'd prefer the reliability and core clock speed of qualcomm snapdragon 800 to the so-called octa core exynos chipset. And plus there are more roms for i9500 which is the LTE version and im thinking that this tradition will continue.

battle1 said:
I'm going to buy a Note 3 too and even though there is no LTE support in the country i live in, i'd prefer the reliability and core clock speed of qualcomm snapdragon 800 to the so-called octa core exynos chipset. And plus there are more roms for i9500 which is the LTE version and im thinking that this tradition will continue.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
More roms for the i9500?
surely a typo... there are far more roms for i9505 which is the Snapdragon 800 variant.
Thanks for your input.

I much prefer the Snapdragon to the Exynos setup. The Exynos solution consists of two quad-core processors, one with more processing capability and higher power requirements, one with lower (seems kind of like a less efficient version of Tegra 3's five core setup) - Having one more powerful, efficient quad core is a better solution IMO, even if they enable heterogeneous processing across both quad cores in the Exynos setup. Mobile apps will benefit from more single and lightly threaded performance than multi-threaded capability IMO.

maxipvp said:
More roms for the i9500?
surely a typo... there are far more roms for i9505 which is the Snapdragon 800 variant.
Thanks for your input.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry i meant i9505 as i said that i liked snapdragon 800(N9005) version better.

battle1 said:
Sorry i meant i9505 as i said that i liked snapdragon 800(N9005) version better.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Understood. Thanks again for the comments.
BTW, just get a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 32GB LTE (AT&T) (Unlocked) from Negri Elect. $744.50 usd, shipping 10/3.
The only issue is the waiting time to get it.

Apart from the CPU difference there is the HD video one as well.
The N9000 records at 1080p 1920x1080 while N9005 records at 4K 3840 x 2160
I think this proves that the octacore is a indeed more powerful and can handle 4K video recording.

kourabies2 said:
Apart from the CPU difference there is the HD video one as well.
The N9000 records at 1080p 1920x1080 while N9005 records at 4K 3840 x 2160
I think this proves that the octacore is a indeed more powerful and can handle 4K video recording.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Except it's the S800 version that's able to record 4k video.. N9005 is the Snapdragon 800 version and during IFA Samsung specifically said that 4K recording was only available on the S800 variant. I find it strange that the Exynos version doesn't support it.

so which one is best for tmobile( hspa+ AND lte )? n9005? I hope so, because I'm tired of the missing exynos drivers. Snapdragon800 please

I will be getting N9005,just because of the higher CPU clock,and better development support.

s800 version not supporting non European countries sim cards?
Did you get the news guys?
This is a total mess!!
I Wonder if there is something we can do.
But are there any benchmarks to tell us more about n9000 ?

lynx2025 said:
Did you get the news guys?
This is a total mess!!
I Wonder if there is something we can do.
But are there any benchmarks to tell us more about n9000 ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What? That's got to be some corporate cellular pprovider money grubbing monkey business. Thanks for the heads up

I got the 9005 model and it is very stable and smoth.
When I first used it the heat generated on the back was too much. But then it settled down.
Now it heats a bit also. I did not have this experience with my last note 2.
I hope someone who has access to both devices can test for that and let us know..
Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk 2

I just watched review about n9000 vs n9005
is it true that n9000 has more total ram and internal storage compare to n9005?

i have the n9005 and the internal storage is 26.36gb, i guess they tested on a pre-release/ carrier rom. Total ram is 2440mb.
Sent from my SM-N9005 using XDA Premium HD app

From what I've seen in terms of benchmarks the n9005 is faster. In terms of rom support I guess the S800 version will get more roms and cm.
Sent from my SM-N9005 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

N9005
Snapdragon 800 - 2.3Ghz
Adreno 330 GPU
4K Video Record and Playback
LTE Support
2.4GB available RAM
N900
Exynos 5 Octa 5420 - 1.9Ghz
Mali-T628 MP6 GPU
NO 4K Video Record and Playback (I seen test video at China forum before, it confirm cannot playback the 4K video)
NO LTE Support
2.7GB available RAM
Benchmark Result

I am still cant take choice
Hi all
Now i have n900 , i feel camera not good for take picture for moving things even in sport mode , i will buy another one to my friend and i want to gave him good advice if n9005 will be better and faster , because camera is one of important thing , also he will use it replacing by his tablet that mean hard work so what you think n900 or n9005 , LTE for us not important now Fast and stability is our issue.

Exynos Vs Snapdragon
I'd love to see various benchmarks/power consumption statistics with different cores on/off.
A-7's 1 on at min clock
A-7's all 4 at max clock
A-7's overclocked/undervolted
4 A-7's and 1 A-15 all at max clock
just 4 A-15's
a single A-15 at min clock
All 8 at max clock
all 8 undervolted/overclocked
These all are necessary to know before considering the N9000.
If this info is not available, the N9005 is the clear choice.

If you see the rom support as of now the n9005 is already winning in those terms.
Sent from my SM-N9005 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

[Voting&Choosing] Snap vs Octa

Hi to all!
Please write here your opinion why snap or octa better?
Not just bla-bla-bla, but real things and knowledge!!!
Thank you!

I've voted for Octa because I no need LTE and 4K video. So Octa is more interesting, modern, perspectiv. I hope it'll be less power consumption with same or better performance as Snap.

My reasons for Octa:
1. 4 powerful + 4 efficient cores which can work simultaneously -> better CPU performance and better battery life
2. More RAM available (2.72 GB vs 2.38 GB)
3. Better sound (Wolfson DAC vs Qualcomm DAC)
Pros of Snap which don't bother me:
1. LTE. We don't have LTE in Ukraine. IMHO, even with new Qualcomm QFE1100 chip LTE will drain more battery than GSM/UMTS. It just improves situation compare to other LTE solutions but GSM/UMTS operation is still superior in this regard.
2. 4K recording. Too large video files. I think 1080p 60fps is more important.
3. Supposedly better GPU performance. I don't play games.

Didn't know some countries or rather telecoms don't have LTE still. It'd be like going back 5 years, can't imagine tethering my tablet on 3G...
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

slimslim said:
Didn't know some countries or rather telecoms don't have LTE still. It'd be like going back 5 years, can't imagine tethering my tablet on 3G...
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Our telecoms are bragging about LTE and we have covered 20% of the country. 5,6 towns have limited lte depends where you are and beside
that they are charging a lot for LTE. Mostly in Europe, Eastern countries doesnt have proper LTE but everyone are using Snap version still...

ussrxoden said:
My reasons for Octa:
1. 4 powerful + 4 efficient cores which can work simultaneously -> better CPU performance and better battery life
2. More RAM available (2.72 GB vs 2.38 GB)
3. Better sound (Wolfson DAC vs Qualcomm DAC)
Pros of Snap which don't bother me:
1. LTE. We don't have LTE in Ukraine. IMHO, even with new Qualcomm QFE1100 chip LTE will drain more battery than GSM/UMTS. It just improves situation compare to other LTE solutions but GSM/UMTS operation is still superior in this regard.
2. 4K recording. Too large video files. I think 1080p 60fps is more important.
3. Supposedly better GPU performance. I don't play games.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Where did you find the info on the DAC?

Three Reasons for the Samsung Exynos 5 Octa 5420:
1) Notably more memory bandwidth 14.9 GB/s vs 12.8 GB/s
2.10 GB/s more memory bandwidth. This is the maximum rate that data can be read from or stored into memory.
2) Considerably higher ram speed 1866 vs 800
1066 higher ram speed. It can support faster memory, which will give quicker system performance.
3) Supports hardware-assisted virtualization Yes vs No
it is easier to obtain better performance when using virtualization if it is hardware-assisted.
Three Reasons for the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800:
1) Shorter 10 mm vs 11 mm 1 mm shorter.
2) Explicitly narrower 10 mm vs 12 mm 2 mm narrower.
3) Reasonably faster CPU clock speed 27.78% faster CPU clock speed.
Edit: Forgot the source of this info
.
---------- Post added at 09:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:47 PM ----------
designgears said:
Where did you find the info on the DAC?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I know you asked him, but I read somewhere ( easy to google for it) that Samsung signed a long-term deal with Wolfson.
I also read that the DAC on the S800 is integrated so guess which one is getting the Wolfson?
Anyway I am not in a hurry , so I will be playing with the Phone in the showrooms quite a lot before I make any decision,,
As I said before, it's difficult, but not being in a hurry, is a good thing....
.

betoNL said:
Three Reasons for the Samsung Exynos 5 Octa 5420:
1) Notably more memory bandwidth 14.9 GB/s vs 12.8 GB/s
2.10 GB/s more memory bandwidth. This is the maximum rate that data can be read from or stored into memory.
2) Considerably higher ram speed 1866 vs 800
1066 higher ram speed. It can support faster memory, which will give quicker system performance.
3) Supports hardware-assisted virtualization Yes vs No
it is easier to obtain better performance when using virtualization if it is hardware-assisted.
Three Reasons for the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800:
1) Shorter 10 mm vs 11 mm 1 mm shorter.
2) Explicitly narrower 10 mm vs 12 mm 2 mm narrower.
3) Reasonably faster CPU clock speed 27.78% faster CPU clock speed.
Edit: Forgot the source of this info
.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just pointing out that both versions have the same performace, as a 1,9Ghz Octa matches (or beats) a 2.3 Ghz snapdragon.
Same happened with the S4, and now that the Note 3 can use all 8 cores we will see.
And I also believe both versions are identical in size.
I would pick the octa for two simple reasons:
4G in Qatar only started this year and has weird bands that no phone supports, except for custom made 4G keys.
I'm interested in the ability to use all 8 cores at once.
I'm also interested on what people will do to improve on that aspect with kernels, It seems a fun little ride
I would pick the S800 version if I desire down the line, but I'll start with the Octa first.
PS: I have a weird fetish love for exynos for some reason, even knowing the not so open behaviour.

betoNL said:
2) Considerably higher ram speed 1866 vs 800
1066 higher ram speed. It can support faster memory, which will give quicker system performance.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Where would you find the info regarding that 3 GB RAM?
Edit; Got it. According to anandtech exynos 5420 supports up to 1866 MHz.

thekoRngear said:
Where would you find the info regarding that 3 GB RAM?
According to wikipedia (yeah, know it is viewed as not-so-reliable) both the MSM8974AB and Exynos 5420 have 32-bit dual-channel 933 MHz LPDDR3e (14.9 GB/sec). Even if the note version snapdragon doesn't have that AB tag it will be 800 MHz (12.8 GB/s) which is not that far behind.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Here is the source of that comparison:
http://versus.com/en
It could be bogus .... big chance it is ....
.

I NEED LTE. Since having it, I can't see myself using anything slower.

SgtGoldy said:
I NEED LTE. Since having it, I can't see myself using anything slower.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ditto

ussrxoden said:
My reasons for Octa:
1. 4 powerful + 4 efficient cores which can work simultaneously -> better CPU performance and better battery life
2. More RAM available (2.72 GB vs 2.38 GB)
3. Better sound (Wolfson DAC vs Qualcomm DAC)
Pros of Snap which don't bother me:
1. LTE. We don't have LTE in Ukraine. IMHO, even with new Qualcomm QFE1100 chip LTE will drain more battery than GSM/UMTS. It just improves situation compare to other LTE solutions but GSM/UMTS operation is still superior in this regard.
2. 4K recording. Too large video files. I think 1080p 60fps is more important.
3. Supposedly better GPU performance. I don't play games.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
1. I live in chicago and I'm going to need that hella fast LTE
2. The 4k recording

betoNL said:
.....
I know you asked him, but I read somewhere ( easy to google for it) that Samsung signed a long-term deal with Wolfson.
I also read that the DAC on the S800 is integrated so guess which one is getting the Wolfson?
Anyway I am not in a hurry , so I will be playing with the Phone in the showrooms quite a lot before I make any decision,,
As I said before, it's difficult, but not being in a hurry, is a good thing....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lame. Well, I am not in a hurry either, my work offered to buy me any device I wanted. I have an HTC One, tried the SGS4, G Pro, 1020 and the 5S is just to small. The only thing left was the Note 3

No choice. Only Octa will be available. And I want Octa for true 8 core mode.
Sent from my GT-N7000

Yeah even I would go for octane...I would love to have all 8 cores working...a true octa core

Not sure yet.
Don't care much about 4k video. 4G isn't widely available in India yet but should spread in the next couple of years. Still plans will probably be expensive for a while so I can live without it for the next 2-3 years.
Probably the biggest issue for me would be battery life. The S800 seems to do well and battery life on the G2 appears to be superb. Not sure how the Octa matches up here, we will have to wait for reviews.

designgears said:
Lame. Well, I am not in a hurry either, my work offered to buy me any device I wanted. I have an HTC One, tried the SGS4, G Pro, 1020 and the 5S is just to small. The only thing left was the Note 3
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
However.....
There is a chance the S800 will carry the Wolfson
Just found this info:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/678952/samsung-galaxy-note-3-24-bit-192khz/30#post_9816900
How do they disable the System on chip DAC?
tattari
i really don't know , i just read it
LG's upcoming G2 phone packs in modern features including 5.2" HD IPS screen, 13 MP camera with 8x digital zoom and the ability to play lossless 24-bit/192kHz audio files. Coming with the Snapdragon 2.26GHz quad core CPU, 32GB ROM and 1920 x 1080 full HD IPS screen, the new G2 sports a variety of modern features. Now that Wolfson's latest WM5110 mobile 24-bit/192kHz DAC chip is showing up in devices, first reported in May 23 here @ Enjoy the Music.com's Industry News page, audiophiles and high fidelity enthusiasts will soon be able to travel with a single device to hear their high resolution music and answer phone calls plus other mobile computing tasks. Wolfson's M5110 is the industry's first quad core High Definition (HD) Audio Processor System-on-a-Chip (SoC). This new highly-integrated, low power HD Audio Processor with advanced DSP feature set is designed to deliver HD Audio performance of 24-bit/192kHz for smartphones, tablet computers and portable multimedia devices. The WM5110 provides 110dB signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) and a fast 600 MIPS of processing power, while only requiring 3mW DAC to headphone power consumption, making it the most powerful and efficient HD Audio Processor on the market. Other features of LG's G2 include Audio Zooming that enables users to zero in on specific audio source by zooming in on your subject while recording video. This unique feature uses three stereo mikes, which amplify sound from the specified angle and deemphasize the surrounding noise. If you want to enjoy the music, then simply plug in your headphones and go. The unit provides easy file sync simply by plugging in a USB cable and the G2 intuitively shows you the icons for features that require earphones or USB cables when you plug them in. This allows faster access to the apps you desire. The LG G2 comes with a large 3000 mAh battery for hour after hour of musical pleasure
and that's the source link
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/news/0813/
.
i wouldn't call my self an audiophile , but i really do appreciate high quality music , and have a decent pair of cans that can produce good music
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
.

OT: For Exynos version, GTS won't be shipped out-of-box. They will ship with core-migration.
GTS will be enabled later through some kernel/patch upgrades.

LTE is so overrated. Who's going to download a 1GB file on mobile data anyway. Most of the time, it'll be small packets and you won't even feel the difference in speed between LTE and HSPA+ for those.
Plus, battery blows on LTE. Even if I owned an LTE device, I'd still run it on HSPA+ because of the battery life.
Except for the S4, the Exynos is always better than the Qualcomm. On the S4, Qualcomm was better because it could run native AOSP and Exynos 4 didn't work correctly. However, the Exynos is always the preferred version and even pay premiums for it.

N900 or N9005?

Hello,
I am aware of the hardware differences between the two models. Fortunately, both are available in my country and I can take my pick. From what I gathered there is absolutely no reason to buy the N900 when the N9005 is available, or am I missing something? Would anyone buy a N900 if they could get the N9005 just as easily?
Thanks,

I had the option to pick either, obviously I picked the N9005 as you should too as you've seen the hardware differences aha.
The only difference that I am aware of is that the N9005 is 4G LTE, whereas the N9000 is not.
I don't have 4G on my current plan at the moment but will be getting it in February.

Exactly, my country doesn't support 4G so that's why. I'll be receiving my N9005 today. The 4K video recording and sd800 are worth the extra 50 bucks. Thanks!

imo really hard to choice. yes 4k recording and snapdragon performance is a huge advantage over 900 one but that sound quality think makes me think again. i dont have 4k display device, my computer monitors are all 1080p like the note3 so i have no chance to watch the 4k videos that a shoot but i will see the sound quality advantage of n900 while listening to music.

About the I9505

im from Israel (Europe) and i need to ask some question ..
i want to buy the I9505 and i dont know if the I9500 is better?
in israel the I9505 is cheaper than I9500. so who is better ?
what i need on my phone is good camera and good battery. im not playing games,only whatsapp, instagram , facebook , listen music and take quality pictures..
in israel the i9505 worth 2370 shakel(NIS) and I9500 worth 2490 .. is it worth to add the 120 shakel to get the I9500 ?
i have now HTC ONE and i didnt like it beacuse of the battery and the camera ! so i want to change it !

I9500 :
- Apparently a Slightly better camera sensor, so better pictures
- GPU does not support OpenGL 3, no issue for any games so far though
I9505 :
- Snapdragon processor, so better dev support, more custom ROM's etc. if you plan to root
- Better GPU than I9500
Battery backup is almost the same on both versions.

Im not plan to change rom
i want the orignal rom
Noticeable difference between cameras? Or both high quality

Im not plan to change rom
i want the orignal rom
Noticeable difference between cameras? Or both high quality

Have a look at the below thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2283201

no camera differences....

Really no camera differences to be honest.Indeed the i9500 has a newer model of Camera Sensor but that doesnt mean anything.It's also the camera firmware for the process of the image and if i am right isnt so good on i9500.I vote for the i9505