[YES] Camera can be better - Moto X General

After the update we get a real improvement over the stock FW from camera but... is this enough?
Well, regarding HW, the camera is great. Lets compare with some flaghships...
Moto X
The Moto X anyhow includes a CMOS sensor topped by a color filter array with a single clear pixel in the place of what would otherwise be a green pixel in Bayer land, and claims a 75 percent gain in sensitivity as a result. Motorola has long been an OmniVision customer, for about as long as I’ve tracked them. The Moto X continues that trend with a 10 MP OV10820 rear facing CMOS sensor, which is a variant of OV10810 that includes a clear pixel. That rear facing sensor includes 1.4µm pixels and thus ends up notably bigger than the 13 MP sensors with 1.1µm pixels with a format of 1/2.6". The sensor array is 16:9 aspect ratio, with an image size of 4320x2432, which sort of gives away its real design intention – a 4K (UHD) image sensor, though obviously the Moto X can’t shoot 4K video.
Atop the Moto X sensor is a relatively fast F/2.4 system with 4.5 mm focal length, which gives it around a 30mm (35mm effective equivalent) focal length. I still would love to see more phones come in around 35, but 30 is still a bit longer than the 28 and below I see starting to become more common to get the stack thinner.
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iPhone 4/4S/5/5S
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HTC One / Galaxy S2/3/4
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So... what is happening? Yes... it is FW related.
What can we do?

Am I the only one who thinks a lot of the problem could be terrible jpg compression? I'd love to see what they look like before compression.

My main issue still (which I've reported to Motorola) is that the camera will get washed out (hazy white look) in bright daylight. I think it is notably less than before the update, but it still needs improvement. I am hoping Motorola continues to look into camera improves and doesn't just scoff it off as complete because they "fixed" the obvious issues.

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Picture Comparisons

Photo comparisons with the Iphone5 and the Oppo find 5 (which sports similar specs and supposably same Exmor sensor)
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This pictures were made for comparison yet they have different iso levels. Obviously the device which had the better iso rating for a specific lighting condition got the best results.
I can see all 3 of the devices have a good exposure than the other because of this. It's as if the one who made this want to tell us that all three devices are equal.
If only they shot it on a similar iso level on different lighting conditions then we could determine which is the best on the camera.
Riyal said:
This pictures were made for comparison yet they have different iso levels. Obviously the device which had the better iso rating for a specific lighting condition got the best results.
I can see all 3 of the devices have a good exposure than the other because of this. It's as if the one who made this want to tell us that all three devices are equal.
If only they shot it on a similar iso level on different lighting conditions then we could determine which is the best on the camera.
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But these devices should allow similar iso levels first of all.. 100% zoom crop is the usual comparison used for actual camera reviews( but in same iso)... but we dont whether these allow same iso... only iphone5 is released to public.. i never used it though:silly:
xperia z looks nice, but this a comp. between 8mp & 13 mp. early to say something until s4 an iphone6 release date.
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But these devices should allow similar iso levels first of all.. 100% zoom crop is the usual comparison used for actual camera reviews( but in same iso)... but we dont whether these allow same iso... only iphone5 is released to public.. i never used it though:silly:
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I'm not sure about that OPPO device... never heard of it so dunno if it's already released or not. But yeah my point is the comparison test on those pictures doesn't have the same ISO levels so I don't feel like criticizing the 3 device with those images as a comparison.
But if those were to test the auto mode of each device then iphone5 wins it.
damn I like iPhone quality
the xperia z has very nice qualty
the oppo 5 not really good

Stock camera app quality

Hi,
Have you taken pictures with another camera app than stock?
Camera MX (free on the store)
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Stock camera
Seems the quality of the pics taken by the stock app is not as good as the other.
I've found that in the market they all have their pros and cons and that the differences are variable depending upon the circumstance, but the camera certainly isn't the feature to be bragged about on this phone. I've found that one of the ports of the Nexus 4 camera produces the best results most consistantly on my handset. I've also often wondered if my handset got the short end of the stick with the camera it has since a lot of other people are happy with the quality they get out of their RAZR HD, though I'm coming from a Galaxy S 2 which takes wonderful shots in comparison to some of the phones out now despite it now being an old phone model. Its the one thing I really miss about the S2.
On a tangent, I played around with a Galaxy S 4 today and did a bit of camera testing. Single shot stuff. I didn't find that it was all that much better than the S3 or S2 for taking single snapshots. The anti-shake setting worked but not quite as well as on the previous devices, for example. That was really all I could test though, since they always have great lighting when you're looking at phones. Quality is quality, but I'm not convinced 13 megapixels is better than 8 the way Samsung implemented 8 on the previous devices. To be fair though, I had it at 9.5 megapixels. 13 restricts you to a 4:3 shot.
I'll have to try out Camera MX now
thanks for the heads up, just tested it out and it does seem a little sharper, plus the FX options are pretty cool too
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Are there any "hacks" for the stock cam in the build prop or media xml where one might tune a little parameters of e.g. jpg quality?

Goodle camera: Lens blur problem

Is there a solution to make the Lens blur Google camera feature to work? When I take the picture, I don't even have the time to move the device upwards before getting the "Device moved too fast" warning.
It happens everytime. Well, except once when it has worked for some time, which was strange.
I know, that there is Background defocus in the stock camera, but I like Google camera more.
Any ideas?
Try to use Camera FV-5 or A Better Camera, it is very nice solution.
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Try to use Camera FV-5 or A Better Camera, it is very nice solution.
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FV-5 doesn't do filters. This is what Lens blur does:
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It is exactly the same as Background-defocus effect in Sony's camera.
unfortunately, the only way to get bokeh (the blurry background) is to actually isolate the background through a software algorithm, hold your finger around 3 inches from your eyes, then slightly tilt your head from side to side you will see that objects from afar moves more than your finger... that is the reason google camera needs you to move, and to do it slowly - moving to fast makes everything move. sony takes at least 2 pictures with lens focusing on different things....
and of course there is a way to optically isolate a background which related to a photography concept - depth of field (which requires you to consider sensor size and aperture)... though limited you can take a close up picture of an object that is very near your camera, that will blur the background, the closer the object of interest to the camera the better thr isolation will be... remember that focusing is actually done on a plane, all objects that are near (in the same plane) the object of interest will be in focus... do a Google search on depth of fiels.
my apologies for the lack of capitalization and sentence fragments.... im wrote all of these on my z2
I understand that, but I get Moving too fast message even before I move at all. Haven't tested it for some time, there were some GCamera updates and I got 4.4.4 now. I'll check again tomorrow, if it works now.
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android 4.4.4 update seems to have heavily fixed background blur. it now works alot better than before
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I understand that, but I get Moving too fast message even before I move at all. Haven't tested it for some time, there were some GCamera updates and I got 4.4.4 now. I'll check again tomorrow, if it works now.
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I get the same.

Two Cameras are Better than One: How the Dual-Camera Setup on the Honor 8 Works

How the Dual-Camera Setup on the Honor 8 Really Works​Dual lens cameras seem to be the way of the future. We are seeing many smartphone companies make the switch to the two-lens setup. In this thread, I'll go over exactly how the cameras in the Honor 8 really work and why it's better than a traditional single-lens camera.
What do the Sensors do?
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RGB Sensor
The RGB sensor is designed to capture rich true-to-life colors.
Monochrome Sensor
The Monochrome sensor is dedicated to giving your photos increased sharpness and capturing more light.
Having dedicated lenses for different sensors allows for much higher quality photos. Here are some photos taken with the Honor 8, to show off the color and detail quality of this camera.
Hybrid Auto-Focus​When reading about the hybrid focus, the Honor website states
The hybrid auto-focus enables laser focus for short range, precise depth focus for long range, and contrast focus — each working together to help you take better pictures in complex lighting conditions day and night.
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I found this being a nice benefit in "complex lighting" situations. In photos with very dark and light spots, typically a camera will have to accommodate one or the other, leaving one part of the photo lacking detail. Here are some photos of situations with bright lights and dark shadows. Notice how everything is even and very detailed.
Dual ISP​The image signal processor is in charge of the autofocus, exposure and white balance. The built-in dual ISP improves the speed of the focus and process time when you're taking photos. This makes snapping high quality photos quick and easy, by removing time spent focusing your shot.
In conclusion, two lenses are definitely better than one and the Honor 8 does this very well.

Played with it for 20min

I thought the screen size compared to my 10 plus would be relatively indiscernible but it really looks quite bigger . Wierd.
I returned the s20U because of the camera issues especially with the main 108 megapixels. This phone completely nails it. I took pictures from all different angles and all different zooms and they were really superb.
Much as I love my 10 plus screen clarity the 20 Ultra really seems to top it.
Here's another weird thing I tested the speed of it on a speed test and it was 256 ms down.
then tested the 10-plus in the store and it was 489 ms down! I tested it twice the 10+: 400+ ms down.
What the hell's with that ?!
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A speed test on what? The in store wifi? How did you connect your phone to the in store wifi for the devices on display?
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A speed test on what? The in store wifi? How did you connect your phone to the in store wifi for the devices on display?
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Exactly, so many reasons this could be the case, even cases, phone orientation, is one on 2.4Ghz wifi and one on 5Ghz, if on 5G/LTE are they both on the same mode, etc.
I want someone to point the Note 20 Ultra camera at their current phone with a black background and white text to see if the "across the frame" focal uniformity issues that the S20 Ultra has - are fixed!
Never have I had a phone camera with a frustration level so high in being able to easily and quickly capture text on a computer screen before! I shouldn't have to use pro mode and MF and zoom and do best guess on peaking to hope it looks decent. Readable? Yes, but I'm used to text in photos looking like the original.
My lowly Nexus6 and Droid Turbo take better pics in this regard FFS! :-|

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