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The other day I wrote an article about camera applications, questioning if one is really better than another (full article here). Since my blog doesn't get many viewers I figured it might be helpful to post my results here as well for more coverage. I try to prove that various camera apps aren't necessarily better than others. I did one test using six different camera apps or settings, shooting from exactly the same spot pointing at my Arduino. I'm not yet telling you which photo belongs to which camera app as I want to find out from you if there is any noticeable difference between the following, in no particular order:
Superior Auto mode from Sony devices @ 8MP
Manual mode from Sony devices @ 20MP, ISO-50
Google Camera @ 20 MP
Camera FV-5 @ 20MP
Camera FV-5 @ 20MP, Night mode (exposure "long")
Open Camera @ 20MP
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Please do NOT vote on the poll if there is no one photo that looks significantly better
Let me know what you think!
@Hermantje
Did you try Vignette ?
It's one of my favorite camera app :3
For me,
1. Camera FV-5> very good at long exposure + tripod, because Sony stock camera can't do this. . .
Exposure Bracket very useful too, and Sony can't do this too. . .
2. Google camera> only for photosphere, because we can't modify ISO value and EV.
I wish Sony stock camera have this feature xD
3. Vignette> actually it's like Creative Effect but with more useful focus, effect, filter etc.
Please correct me if I'm wrong :3
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@Hermantje
Did you try Vignette ?
It's one of my favorite camera app :3
For me,
1. Camera FV-5> very good at long exposure + tripod, because Sony stock camera can't do this. . .
Exposure Bracket very useful too, and Sony can't do this too. . .
2. Google camera> only for photosphere, because we can't modify ISO value and EV.
I wish Sony stock camera have this feature xD
3. Vignette> actually it's like Creative Effect but with more useful focus, effect, filter etc.
Please correct me if I'm wrong :3
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I couldn't agree more on points 1 and 2
I haven't tried Vignette yet. But that's because I want my photos to look natural, and if I want effects then I always add them after the fact with Snapseed or Photoshop on PC.
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I couldn't agree more on points 1 and 2
I haven't tried Vignette yet. But that's because I want my photos to look natural, and if I want effects then I always add them after the fact with Snapseed or Photoshop on PC.
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Please try it xD
I'm using Vignette not because filter or any effect it's offer, but because focus, detail and colours.
And I dont like edit/filter photos, I like natural photo, just like you xD
Sometimes, Vignette give more details and accurate colours vs Sony Stock Camera.
Noise still there, but still acceptable.
Btw, I'm used Superfine Quality + 8 MP on Vignette so the photo size 10++ MB xD
Still jpeg, cannot beat png offered by FV-5 :3
I didn't think 20 MP it's "usable" xD
What your opinion about 20 MP ?
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Please try it xD
I'm using Vignette not because filter or any effect it's offer, but because focus, detail and colours.
And I dont like edit/filter photos, I like natural photo, just like you xD
Sometimes, Vignette give more details and accurate colours vs Sony Stock Camera.
Noise still there, but still acceptable.
Btw, I'm used Superfine Quality + 8 MP on Vignette so the photo size 10++ MB xD
Still jpeg, cannot beat png offered by FV-5 :3
I didn't think 20 MP it's "usable" xD
What your opinion about 20 MP ?
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I'm always using 20MP just because of the idea of otherwise throwing away data and... just because I can. But I don't always find it useful. I only really find it useful when using Camera FV-5's night mode or when shooting at ISO-50 in daylight in the stock app. For quick snaps I do use Superior Auto just because of its simplicity, and then of course it's at 8MP. I should give Vignette a try, then :good:
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I'm always using 20MP just because of the idea of otherwise throwing away data and... just because I can. But I don't always find it useful. I only really find it useful when using Camera FV-5's night mode or when shooting at ISO-50 in daylight in the stock app. For quick snaps I do use Superior Auto just because of its simplicity, and then of course it's at 8MP. I should give Vignette a try, then :good:
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Wew. . .
I'm prefered 8 MP because the details :3
20MP "awesome", but the ISO limit only 800 (if I remember correctly), of course it's useful for daylight then xD
But sometimes, using 20 MP make me think, the details it's enough or not. . .
So I decided used 8 MP, 20 MP for "rare" situation then :3
Thanks for your feedback
Btw, what your current OS right now ?
I'm on L .270, the HDR on the stock camera awful vs in KK
Yesterday, I'm trying used HDR and the photo look very bad, I dunno why xD
Maybe I'm wrong, but if you on L .270, you should try the HDR
And did you know, only Sony Stock Camera can control the ISO ?
I'm trying set the ISO on Camera FV-5 but it's still automatic. . .
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Wew. . .
I'm prefered 8 MP because the details :3
20MP "awesome", but the ISO limit only 800 (if I remember correctly), of course it's useful for daylight then xD
But sometimes, using 20 MP make me think, the details it's enough or not. . .
So I decided used 8 MP, 20 MP for "rare" situation then :3
Thanks for your feedback
Btw, what your current OS right now ?
I'm on L .270, the HDR on the stock camera awful vs in KK
Yesterday, I'm trying used HDR and the photo look very bad, I dunno why xD
Maybe I'm wrong, but if you on L .270, you should try the HDR
And did you know, only Sony Stock Camera can control the ISO ?
I'm trying set the ISO on Camera FV-5 but it's still automatic. . .
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I'm currently on .242, rooted. I never use HDR though, generally not a fan of the effect it creates. I would recommend most people to just shoot at 8MP. You save a lot of memory that way
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I'm currently on .242, rooted. I never use HDR though, generally not a fan of the effect it creates. I would recommend most people to just shoot at 8MP. You save a lot of memory that way
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Why not updated to .270 ?
HDR on Kitkat works very well :3
Maybe something wrong with my settings :/
I agree, save a lot of memory + fast rendering photo :3
Yenkazu said:
Why not updated to .270 ?
HDR on Kitkat works very well :3
Maybe something wrong with my settings :/
I agree, save a lot of memory + fast rendering photo :3
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Because I'm waiting for a 5.1 update. If I update, I'm losing root (well I don't know if there's a way to install the update while keeping root) so I'll have to root again, reinstall every app... it's just too much work for me with a minor update :silly:
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Because I'm waiting for a 5.1 update. If I update, I'm losing root (well I don't know if there's a way to install the update while keeping root) so I'll have to root again, reinstall every app... it's just too much work for me with a minor update :silly:
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Ah, you can used pre-rooted zip :3
But you need recovery for flash that zip.
Back to topic, it's seem HDR on L kinda weird, the ISO is the culprit. . .
If I set the ISO 50, the effect good, but not really good compared in KK, so I will left HDR in L. . .
In KK, if I set ISO auto, the effect really nice, but not in L.
And many photo editor app can do that (HDR), I guess it's not really matter then xD
Just a reminder: the poll closes within a week. I will have interpreted the results by then, but in the meantime: the more votes the better! :laugh:
Hey everyone.
Today I searched in store some kind of camera app with macro focus feature (too bad Sony Camera lacks this.)
So I came across Camera FV-5. Nice interface, but still a Sony UI fan. Anyway, besides the macro focus, under Settings I found the option to save pictures as .PNG.
I knew it has a better compression, almost lossless, compared to the common and easy-to-process .JPEG, so I took one photo outside (ISO 50, AutoFocus, a bit lowered exposure) and one indoor (without flash, yellow/orange 60W lightbulb as source of light in the room, same settings as above.)
I was pretty impressed by the quality. It takes some time to process the image fully, Album firstly doesn't even recognize the photo as existent. Afterwards, it takes ages to load the cache when double-tap zoom.
Anyway, see how nice, crisp and clear photos our phones can take - with absolute no post-editing.
Taken with Z3 Compact with Cyberian Camera MOD.
BTW, the files are huge. One is 21.7 MB and the other over 25. That means 1 pixel is over 1 byte. Cool.
OUTSIDE VIEW
INSIDE ENERGY BAR
Wow - that shot of the candy bar is VERY impressive. Too bad the file size is so ridiculously large. Can you show us the same picture taken using the Sony Superior Auto Mode (8MP)?
PuffDaddy_d said:
Can you show us the same picture taken using the Sony Superior Auto Mode (8MP)?
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I've attached 8MP and 20 MP versions, Superior Auto Mode.
And thanks to Cyberian MOD, I'm lucky to have macro auto-scene on 20MP also.
Also, massive improvement in quality overall, the Z5 Camera libs really work great.
Now that I can see them side by side, it still appears that the Sony camera app reduces noise better than the 3rd party app. I had a similar experience in a comparison thread I created a while back as well.
Sent from the only flagship phone that actually fits in my hand... The Sony Xperia Z3 Compact
weekender90 said:
I've attached 8MP and 20 MP versions, Superior Auto Mode.
And thanks to Cyberian MOD, I'm lucky to have macro auto-scene on 20MP also.
Also, massive improvement in quality overall, the Z5 Camera libs really work great.
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Not bad for a macro shot. Here's mine using the Slim Rom i been using for couple of months.
I just used the sony camera with z5 camera libs, set to auto 8MP (4:3).
yoorie016 said:
Not bad for a macro shot. Here's mine using the Slim Rom i been using for couple of months.
I just used the sony camera with z5 camera libs, set to auto 8MP (4:3).
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Oh my god, I'm in love with your photos...
Gonna flash this today and compare the results very strictly before and after flashing
romcio47 said:
Oh my god, I'm in love with your photos...
Gonna flash this today and compare the results very strictly before and after flashing
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Thanks I didn't make any tweaks, i just used the auto and set the aspect ration to 4:3.
here's another one, and saved on JPEG format.
Jep im using open camera and snap camera they also give simelar results. I dont know why sony gave such a bad stock camera the difference is huge
The sony camera takes better pictures now than my galaxy s6
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Jep im using open camera and snap camera they also give simelar results. I dont know why sony gave such a bad stock camera the difference is huge
The sony camera takes better pictures now than my galaxy s6
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So stock camera is now better?
doriandiaconu said:
So stock camera is now better?
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No i mean with open camera or snap camera its waayy better than stock camera
jody2k said:
No i mean with open camera or snap camera its waayy better than stock camera
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What rom are you using?
Sent from my D5803 using XDA Free mobile app
jody2k said:
Jep im using open camera and snap camera they also give simelar results. I dont know why sony gave such a bad stock camera the difference is huge
The sony camera takes better pictures now than my galaxy s6
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I have a hard time agreeing with you. I tried to compare the stock camera software to various 3rd party software (including Open Camera) and the results indicated that Sony's produces better images:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/sonys-camera-isnt-worse-t3102790
All taken on Manual mode.
Full versions can be found here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/djlukew/
DjLukeW said:
All taken on Manual mode.
Full versions can be found here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/djlukew/
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Wow, awesome shots man. Viewing these on my X and the quality is great!
Sent from my Sony F5121 using XDA Labs
Really good pics.
What setting are you set on manual mode?
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Really good pics.
What setting are you set on manual mode?
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Can't remember exactly but I think
8mp 16:9
Iso100 or 50
Multi metering
Object tracking off
Summer beer
Sunrise in St Ives.
Iso50
8mp
Exposure slider - 2
St Ives harbour
can somebody post some pictures with low light. i was thinking to keep my z3, but i'm beggining to like and thinking about buying the xperia x. The sunrise picture from djlukew looks like a difficult one for a camera and it looks amazing. Does this phone have the option to choose the exposure time btw? Thanks for your shares
Odesláno z mého telefonu Xperia Z2(D6503) root, xposed
Shot in auto mode.
great quality
Related question: Anyone else experience problems focusing with the sony camera app? Had to switch to Open Camera for it to work as I expected. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?
Things I've tried to fix focus on sony camera app:
- Clear app data
- Tried manual and automode
- Disables object tracking
None really helped.
SONY XPERIA X 7.1.1. - Sony’s Concept for Android™
DjLukeW said:
All taken on Manual mode.
Full versions can be found here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/djlukew/
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Can u please upload a night photo with flash, on Nougat? I've a big issue with that. Greenish tint over the picture in night shot with flash. U find a post in other section. Thank you
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Hey guys.
I`ve rooted my Nubia Z17 Lite and installed Google Cam and Meziu Cam, thank you for your great work.
Back camera works fine with Google Cam and Meizu Cam- I can choose my max pic resolution : 13 mpx. And high video recording.
But there is a problem with front camera on theese apps. I can record HD videos but apps detecs my front camera as ... 3 mpx. I can`t change the resolution.
So question is: Nubia Z17 Lite has really 16 Mpx front camera or is it only 3 Mpx cam and that is a lie from ZTE. Or do I have to change something in system settings? Please help me with it
Hi. I have rooted my phone but I have not tried the google cam and meizu cam.
Do you have the links for them? I can try.
iwanffc said:
Hey guys.
So question is: Nubia Z17 Lite has really 16 Mpx front camera or is it only 3 Mpx cam and that is a lie from ZTE. Or do I have to change something in system settings? Please help me with it
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Which version of Google camera do you use? I tried some, but they either were crashing or making photos with green squares. Although video seems to work and have electronic stabilization.
Regarding 3 Mpx thing - it is probably something in software. When you move a diagnostic app to system app, it will have access to all information and it will show camera info properly. Mine shows two Sony 13 Mpx sensors and one Samsung 16 Mpx (see the attached screenshot).
@lapist thank you so much for your reply.
I download app and it shows me I have a 3 mpx camera. 3 mpx and resolutions 2080 x 1560. Is it a big lie of Nubia that there is a 16 mpx cam or is it system failure? What do you thing about its?
iwanffc said:
@lapist thank you so much for your reply.
I download app and it shows me I have a 3 mpx camera. 3 mpx and resolutions 2080 x 1560. Is it a big lie of Nubia that there is a 16 mpx cam or is it system failure? What do you thing about its?
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It shows me the same information, but without root and system access rights, the app won't show you the actual hardware.
You need to be rooted and move the app from data to system partition to see the hardware properly, as I shown on my screenshot.
So no, it is not just 3 megapixels , but from camera has 16 Mpx Samsung sensor.
@lapist my phone is rooted. Where exacly I have to move the app on my disc?
iwanffc said:
@lapist my phone is rooted. Where exacly I have to move the app on my disc?
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You just need to convert the app to system app. You can use any tool (e.g. App Systemizer from magisk plugins) or move the app folder from /data/app to /system/app.
BTW, Nokia camera app sees front camera as 16 megapixels.
i have Z17 premuim and i ve same problem my app camera give me just 12.2mpx in back cam , i think the secondary cam it not work or problem in software. ??
thanks you for help ;
Front camera is quad cfa (four pixels arranged in one) raw output has quad bayer demosaic, so all apps using camera2 will see 4 mp output. That's it.
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kunero said:
i think the secondary cam it not work or problem in software. ??
thanks you for help ;
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If your stock dng mode has a working toggle between back cameras the second back camera (aux) is working.
kunero said:
i have Z17 premuim and i ve same problem my app camera give me just 12.2mpx in back cam , i think the secondary cam it not work or problem in software. ??
thanks you for help ;
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This is forum for Z17 Lite, not premium.
If you want to use the camera at max resolution, you need to switch to sensor's native ratio, which is 4:3...not 16:9. It is the same on all cameras - 16:9 is just cropped.
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you need to switch to sensor's native ratio, which is 4:3.
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12 mp is already native 4:3 ratio. His problem is aux camera which is 23 mp. I see no problem here.
Any links for gcam, please.
hektor2hektor2 said:
Any links for gcam, please.
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Try this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=77209472&postcount=88
Tell me what settings for "Config camera HDR +" and "Model"
Does HDR work at all?
Thank you
hektor2hektor2 said:
Tell me what settings for "Config camera HDR +" and "Model"
Does HDR work at all?
Thank you
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HDR+ doesn't work.
Thanks for your reply. It seems that there is no logic to use gcam in that case.
hektor2hektor2 said:
Thanks for your reply. It seems that there is no logic to use gcam in that case.
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It is good mainly for videos - gcam has EIS, while stock Nubia app doesn't have any stabilization.
And gcam is also good for panoramas and spheres.
One more question. On HomTom ht17 with mtk cpu, the old gcam v2.7 has a hdr option. I install the same version on z17 lite and hdr does not exist!
Any of the older gcam to install, none has a hdr, and the Chinese cheap phone with mtk cpu has. How that ?
Anyone tested out any gcam ports?
I've just tried one (from the Mi 8 xda forums link below, via telegram) and initial tests show photos and night sight works! Not tested it thoroughly yet though, such as video etc
It's this one:
MGC_6.1.021_MI8_V2e.apk
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-8/themes/mi-8-google-camera-mod-t3803984
Update: seems most things work other than portrait mode, just crashes
Hi cd993,
what for a miui version runs your Mi9 out of the box? is it on stable channel? Is camera api2 enabled as default in miui9 stable yet?
can you please test if HDR+ is working and can you confirm the port uses the primary (48mpix) lens for photos or does it use another from the three lenses?
I hope i get my Mi9 tomorrow, then i'll do a big photo comparison between Mi9 camera vs. my Mate 20 pro and my grilfriends Mi8 (with google port).
Can't wait to unlock the phone and hope a pixel experience port will arrive soon
Thanks
Flash-User said:
Hi cd993,
what for a miui version runs your Mi9 out of the box? is it on stable channel? Is camera api2 enabled as default in miui9 stable yet?
can you please test if HDR+ is working and can you confirm the port uses the primary (48mpix) lens for photos or does it use another from the three lenses?
I hope i get my Mi9 tomorrow, then i'll do a big photo comparison between Mi9 camera vs. my Mate 20 pro and my grilfriends Mi8 (with google port).
Can't wait to unlock the phone and hope a pixel experience port will arrive soon
Thanks
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Hey,
OK see attached my miui version.
HDR+ appears to work, it takes that little bit longer to process, though not tested thoroughly. The photo was 12mp so presumably just the standard lens
Thanks fotr the info.
Its the stable channel version, lets look how the beta version is ... after 300hours ...
Can you test the camera setup again? 12mpix can be correct even if its shoot with the primary 48mpix sensor because the sensor uses "pixel binning", these combines four to one pixel to increase sharphness and lightning. Maybe the pixelbinning were just applied in the sensor itself. Its easy to test which lense the port uses. open the google cam port and cover the lenses with a finger, if you look at the viewfinder. when you cover the lens at the top and the "viewfinder is covered" then the primary lens (48mpix) sensor is used.
Thanks
Flash-User said:
Hi cd993,
what for a miui version runs your Mi9 out of the box? is it on stable channel? Is camera api2 enabled as default in miui9 stable yet?
can you please test if HDR+ is working and can you confirm the port uses the primary (48mpix) lens for photos or does it use another from the three lenses?
I hope i get my Mi9 tomorrow, then i'll do a big photo comparison between Mi9 camera vs. my Mate 20 pro and my grilfriends Mi8 (with google port).
Can't wait to unlock the phone and hope a pixel experience port will arrive soon
Thanks
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THank you very much.
So happy that you can compare Mi 9 with Mi 8 Google Camera performance.
Considering whether to upgrade from Mi 8 to Mi 9 for camera upgrade. THank you.
moarfish said:
THank you very much.
So happy that you can compare Mi 9 with Mi 8 Google Camera performance.
Considering whether to upgrade from Mi 8 to Mi 9 for camera upgrade. THank you.
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Yes, but i can finalize the comparison even after March 16th, due to traveling.
I've done a comparison between Mi8 and P20pro last year but Mi8 was shooting without Google Cam port, because the port wasnt availible at this time.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=Vmh4M0pTYmRMU0J1dlRPNmpqZ3hMd2pTOFltcWpn
Rommco05 said:
Isnt 48Mp in the middle?
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oh you're right, the big sensor in the Middle is the 48mpix one.
Thanks for correcting me.
Rommco05 said:
Gcam shooting with main sensor 48Mpx
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okay.. hello rommco!!
Can you tell me the best settings you have found to make gcam work efficiently on our mi9?
Pics are too softened by night with normal camera. And with night mode they are catastrophic too much artificial sharpening.
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Rommco05 said:
Gcam shooting with main sensor 48Mpx
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Yes, but the photo is only 12mpx, also in Raw mode.
Much better to use Arnova latest version. Since mi 9 supports c2api level 3 can utilize the aux camera feature for telephoto.
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Much better to use Arnova latest version. Since mi 9 supports c2api level 3 can utilize the aux camera feature for telephoto.
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Hmm just tried this one and selected the Add Aux Switch, but can't seem to see one being added anywhere?
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Hmm just tried this one and selected the Add Aux Switch, but can't seem to see one being added anywhere?
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Tap on the swap camera icon, it uses telephoto after switching to front cam
Ah thanks yes I see now.
Is there a way to use the wide angle? Perhaps not yet but will love it if/when we can
I made a comparison between Huawei Mate 20 Pro and Xiaomi Mi 9.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ecGsAyjPUKVQ7adX9
I'll gradually add more photos.
See the watermark to differentiate the phones.
Images without watermark were captured with the Google Pixel Port (in the dark with Nightsight)
Images were captured via point and shoot, both "AI" Features are enabled. Google Pixel with HDR+
Can somebody link a scam that works directly with the mi9? Is it possible to take photos in 16/9? 12 mo lens I think...
Thank you.
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Ah thanks yes I see now.
Is there a way to use the wide angle? Perhaps not yet but will love it if/when we can
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I think not yet since most ports are from phones with dual cam only with telephoto. Hoping someone will port a build specifically for mi 9.
Found a version where portrait works.
GCam_6.1.021_N7P_test2.3.apk
Motion photo also works, theres also a toggle to always show night mode for easy access which I think is really good.
Muezzin12 said:
Found a version where portrait works.
GCam_6.1.021_N7P_test2.3.apk
Motion photo also works, theres also a toggle to always show night mode for easy access which I think is really good.
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Thanks very much for posting this find!
Let's keep it up. I had tried one of the LG wide angle ones but unfortunately it didn't work with the wide angle lens of our Mi 9.
SirTAVARES said:
theres a mi9 version in 4pda
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Where is this, could you provide a link please?
SirTAVARES said:
https://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=925733&st=2220
#2229
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Good find,
Could someone upload the APK and config somewhere, I'm unable to download from 4pda for some reason.
Thanks!