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Xperia Z1 2nd Place in DxO Mark's Overall Mobile Camera Ranking

Apparently, DxO Mark just gave out a score to Xperia Z1 and amazingly, just sits at 2nd place behind the Pureview 808 in overall Mobile Camera Ranking! :victory:
And that's without the "firmware updates" that will supposedly improve the camera!
I can't post the link as I'm still within the new user limitation of posting outside links. But if you're curious to see it, just do a quick google search for DxOMark and Xperia Z1!
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Actually, the stills for Z1 stands at 5th place, however the video was deemed to be outstanding and the best in the mobile cameras and just 2nd place in their database behind the GoPro Hero 3!
If you're wondering what happened to the 1020, they also have an article on it and while they deemed the stills to be amazing and 2nd only to the 808. However, video was said to be lacking.
What are your thoughts?

bloodfire1004 said:
Apparently, DxO Mark just gave out a score to Xperia Z1 and amazingly, just sits at 2nd place behind the Pureview 808 in overall Mobile Camera Ranking! :victory:
And that's without the "firmware updates" that will supposedly improve the camera!
I can't post the link as I'm still within the new user limitation of posting outside links. But if you're curious to see it, just do a quick google search for DxOMark and Xperia Z1!
More details:
Actually, the stills for Z1 stands at 5th place, however the video was deemed to be outstanding and the best in the mobile cameras and just 2nd place in their database behind the GoPro Hero 3!
If you're wondering what happened to the 1020, they also have an article on it and while they deemed the stills to be amazing and 2nd only to the 808. However, video was said to be lacking.
What are your thoughts?
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I guess the big sensor is the key here. Dxomark doesn't reflect the real life though. I'm not very happy with the z1 camera... far too noisy especially at 20mp. Still better than my older nexus 4 anyway.

j0sh0 said:
I guess the big sensor is the key here. Dxomark doesn't reflect the real life though. I'm not very happy with the z1 camera... far too noisy especially at 20mp. Still better than my older nexus 4 anyway.
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Just curious, what settings are you using? I'm pretty satisfied with the Z1 Camera of mine, but that was after tweaking some of the shooting settings I'm in. At first, I was pretty disappointed as well but now I think I'm good.

bloodfire1004 said:
Just curious, what settings are you using? I'm pretty satisfied with the Z1 Camera of mine, but that was after tweaking some of the shooting settings I'm in. At first, I was pretty disappointed as well but now I think I'm good.
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I bought the phone yesterday so I'm still testing it. At the moment I like to shoot in manual mode at 8mp with image stabiliser on.

j0sh0 said:
I bought the phone yesterday so I'm still testing it. At the moment I like to shoot in manual mode at 8mp with image stabiliser on.
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Ah ok. That's good then. Shooting at 20MP especially in low-light results in (I'm not sure why) worse pictures than shooting at 8MP 4:3 .. in my tests, it resulted in darker images.
I also like to shoot at 8MP 4:3 to take advantage of the oversampling and leave the rest of the settings to Auto. One thing though is that I turn off the Stabilizer. I found that turning it on resulted in the camera choosing a much higher ISO than intended compared when leaving it off. This may be due to its detection of slight handshake movements and it tries to compensate by upping the ISO in favor of a faster shutter speed.

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Ah ok. That's good then. Shooting at 20MP especially in low-light results in (I'm not sure why) worse pictures than shooting at 8MP 4:3 .. in my tests, it resulted in darker images.
I also like to shoot at 8MP 4:3 to take advantage of the oversampling and leave the rest of the settings to Auto. One thing though is that I turn off the Stabilizer. I found that turning it on resulted in the camera choosing a much higher ISO than intended compared when leaving it off. This may be due to its detection of slight handshake movements and it tries to compensate by upping the ISO in favor of a faster shutter speed.
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Yes shooting at 20mp is useless. Pics are so noisy... it's a shame. At 8mp the image quality is pretty good and yes, with the stabiliser on the iso is higher for that reason. But I prefer a bit more noise other than a blurred image.

j0sh0 said:
Yes shooting at 20mp is useless. Pics are so noisy... it's a shame. At 8mp the image quality is pretty good and yes, with the stabiliser on the iso is higher for that reason. But I prefer a bit more noise other than a blurred image.
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Nice. What metering and focus are you using? Particularly for macro / night shots. I find that using Single Auto Focus setting doesn't keep the whole image in focus and just the middle part, but I find that the multi-auto focus setting doesn't do too well either particularly in macro shots. Currently, I shoot in landscape mode when shooting macro.

I'm using metering average (it seems to do a better job with white balance as well). About focus I always use touch focus... I like to choose what I want in focus...
I love th bokeh management of the lens.. look at this for example
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j0sh0 said:
I'm using metering average (it seems to do a better job with white balance as well). About focus I always use touch focus... I like to choose what I want in focus...
I love th bokeh management of the lens.. look at this for example
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Ohh nice, I'm gonna try that out Thanks!

j0sh0 said:
I bought the phone yesterday so I'm still testing it. At the moment I like to shoot in manual mode at 8mp with image stabiliser on.
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And there's you mistake - the software image stabiliser introduces noise. Switch it off.

Timaustin2000 said:
And there's you mistake - the software image stabiliser introduces noise. Switch it off.
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Yeah, I know... but as I said I prefer a slighty noiser image than a blurred one. I'll try again without stabiliser anyway.

j0sh0 said:
Yeah, I know... but as I said I prefer a slighty noiser image than a blurred one. I'll try again without stabiliser anyway.
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Hopefully new update has improved superior auto mode...

Try night mode can reduce noise.
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Why is everyone so scared of noise I just don't get it. If the fine detail is their don't worry about the noise.
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Yeah. The Z1 does lovely bokeh.

here is theDxO report for the Z1 which i could not find on DxO's website.
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I dont think samsung software is better, have more mods, but is very large and camera lags, i have gs4 9500 until last week
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What i find telling from that review is this graph.
Above 80 lux the S4 shots have more 'texture' than the Z1.
Contrary to what people might think the Z1 has the best noise reduction indoors.

bloodfire1004 said:
Apparently, DxO Mark just gave out a score to Xperia Z1 and amazingly, just sits at 2nd place behind the Pureview 808 in overall Mobile Camera Ranking! :victory:
And that's without the "firmware updates" that will supposedly improve the camera!
I can't post the link as I'm still within the new user limitation of posting outside links. But if you're curious to see it, just do a quick google search for DxOMark and Xperia Z1!
More details:
Actually, the stills for Z1 stands at 5th place, however the video was deemed to be outstanding and the best in the mobile cameras and just 2nd place in their database behind the GoPro Hero 3!
If you're wondering what happened to the 1020, they also have an article on it and while they deemed the stills to be amazing and 2nd only to the 808. However, video was said to be lacking.
What are your thoughts?
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Not much of a fan of them anymore, after I wrote to them to see if they would do the Xperia Z test again after Sony updating the firmware to fix the bad camera quality, they didn't even respond to me. On the flip side it is Sony's fault for shipping substandard equipment, get all the important things right first, especially the camera when they are making such a big deal about how amazing it is.

DxO finally got around to testing the G2. Overall G2 placed 6th. However in the photo section it ties with the Z1 in terms of score. A closer examination of the parameters tested shows the Z1 edges ahead slighlty.
Where the Z1 comes out ahead : Exposure & Contrast, Colour, Noise Reduction, Flash
Where the G2 comes out ahead : Autofocus, Texture, Artifacts
4 > 3 or Z1 ahead by a little.
What lets the G2 down is video, where its ranked 15th to the Z1's 2nd place.
If you consider phones alone, Z1 has the best video out there.
Now we have to wait for DxO to test the Note 3 to see whether it will affect the Z1's ranking.

Sorry to jump here like that, I don't even know all this stuff but after read what you guys saying is like the camera on Z1 was made for experienced people who know how to set up the device. This is a phone anyway and I like to go around and shooting everything but almost of the pictures are crap. That how shouldn't be with a camera on a phone with 20mpx.

Z1 Camera Comparison: Google Nexus 5 vs iPhone 5s, Sony Xperia Z1, Samsung Galaxy Not

There have been a few amateur comparisons posted here in this thread, which frankly aren't very accurate or well done, nor are the small 1-page or even 1 paragraph reviews of the camera buried inside the overall phone review on many tech media websites. So I found a much more professional and also the most in depth camera shootout on the web at this time. Unlike what some would have you believe, the Xperia Z1 possesses one of the highest scoring smartphone cameras. There were so many photos taken in this extensive review that I'm not even going to try reproducing them all here. What I will do is post Phonearena's rankings for each category and leave it to you to hit up this link for the full article
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Outdoors at night time were a disappointment, so in this case I would suggest NOT using Superior Auto mode for those shots, as many others have suggested. Try Manual, 8MP, auto ISO, -1 to -2 ev

For a more professional touch I went to one of the most credible photography sites and got their take on the Z1 Camera comparisons. You can read the full shootout here. They were very critical of all tested phones, however the Z1 again did very well on this site:
In our tests the Nokia Lumia 1020 arguably offers the best all-around image quality. It captures great detail in good light and its Xenon flash provides excellent performance in very dim light situations. There is a lot of luminance noise in its high-ISO output but chroma noise is well under control and the very large 38MP image files mean that at normal viewing and printing sizes noise becomes much less visible.
If you only want to share your pictures online you can also set the device to only save 5MP images and conserve space in the phone's internal memory. Thanks to Nokia's clever downsampling algorithms the lower resolution images are comparatively clean even at higher ISOs and still show good detail. They might look a little oversharpened for some people's taste though.
The 1020 only struggled in our night shot. We took 30 shots with the Nokia but the shutter speed in such a dark environment was just too slow to get even a single 100% sharp image. In those situations we recommend upping the ISO manually in order to achieve a faster shutter speed. As we've already pointed out in our full review, the Nokia's performance can occasionally feel a little sluggish.
The Sony Xperia Z1 also offers very high resolution results, but suffers from noise and artifacts at all ISO settings. This is only really visible at large magnifications though and the Sony's good exposure and usually pleasant color response make it a good alternative for those who only share their pictures online at smaller resolutions. Another advantage of the Sony is that thanks to its responsiveness and dedicated shutter button, in terms of operations it comes as close to a compact camera as a smartphone can get.
The LG G2's image quality is not quite on the same level as the Nokia's and Sony's. Its efficient optical image stabilization helps keep things very steady in low light but very strong noise reduction is applied at all ISO levels and its auto white balance tends to capture slightly cool colors. Like the Sony, its LED flash cannot compete with the much more powerful units on the Nokia and Samsung. There's nothing wrong with the LG's camera but its image quality is simply not up there with the best of the 2013 smartphone generation.
Despite its 1/2.3 sensor the Samsung Galaxy S4 Zoom doesn't capture any more detail than the current generation of smartphones. In fact, the lens of our test unit appeared to be slightly soft at its wide angle setting. However, the Samsung is worth a look for those mobile photographer who want a powerful flash and an optical zoom
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Unlike the Phonearena comparisons, in this case the Z1 took much nicer outdoor night time photos.

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Surprising that G2 would do better than Z1 in low light.
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This one needs serious work from Sony. Samsung is the king when it comes to panorama.
omnius1 said:
Outdoors at night time were a disappointment, so in this case I would suggest NOT using Superior Auto mode for those shots, as many others have suggested. Try Manual, 8MP, auto ISO, -1 to -2 ev
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You mean that all these photos were taken with SA ?
This isn't a camera shootout. Its a shootout over how well the auto program works in each phone. If that's in various stages of maturity then this review is not representative. There are no reference shots so how do we know which camer got it right or over exposed/underexposed.
Apple won't allow access to ISO in the api, you cannot set ISO in an iphone.
From the article..
Focal length of Htc one - 28mm
focal length of Z1 - 27mm
hmm, Z1 must be doing some serious cropping here.
Does not distinguish between 2-axis OIS vs 3-axs OIS.

One Twelve said:
This one needs serious work from Sony. Samsung is the king when it comes to panorama.
You mean that all these photos were taken with SA ?
This isn't a camera shootout. Its a shootout over how well the auto program works in each phone. If that's in various stages of maturity then this review is not representative. There are no reference shots so how do we know which camer got it right or over exposed/underexposed.
Apple won't allow access to ISO in the api, you cannot set ISO in an iphone.
From the article..
Focal length of Htc one - 28mm
focal length of Z1 - 27mm
hmm, Z1 must be doing some serious cropping here.
Does not distinguish between 2-axis OIS vs 3-axs OIS.
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Really? I think this is the most extensive comparison we can find so far on the web. I didn't pick apart the engineering specs behind it, but I think the photos they took with the Z1 looked fantastic against the competition. Which is what it's all about really. With the exception of the outdoor night and pano, I agree.
No they didn't have reference shots but they did take DSLR photos I think as well. However you have to read the article as well, where they do specifically mention which shots were closer in color and detail to the actual live scene.
However if you look at the night shots the digital camera review site took with it, his are actually pretty good in comparison.
Surprising that G2 would do better than Z1 in low light.
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I don't think it did, that was an outdoor night ranking, they posted a separate ranking for indoor low light

Thanks for sharing the phonearena link, I hadn't seen it
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omnius1 said:
Really? I think this is the most extensive comparison we can find so far on the web. I didn't pick apart the engineering specs behind it, but I think the photos they took with the Z1 looked fantastic against the competition. Which is what it's all about really.
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Original photos here
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No they didn't have reference shots but they did take DSLR photos I think as well. However you have to read the article as well, where they do specifically mention which shots were closer in color and detail to the actual live scene.
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Read it now and i realise they DID provide reference shots with the panasonic lumix so this at least is better than other reviews i've seen.
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I don't think it did, that was an outdoor night ranking, they posted a separate ranking for indoor low light
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The problem with auto is its quite variable. I think of it as a random sampling. Lumia has problems with white balance which can be set manually. The night time shots with lumia which has the slowest exposure of 4s should beat the competition. But if auto did not do it correct then the 1020 gets a low score.
The problem i have generally with these sorts of comparisons is it requires expert users of the cameras concerned to see the best the camera can provide. Auto is not going to do this. Auto will tell you that chances are your experience is going to be similar but then the sample size is small, so its 50-50. You might get better shots or worse than what is shown here.
In other words take this review along with others with a grain of salt

I don't view this review as gospel of course, but in lieu of any others, it's the more extensive than any others I've seen on the Web. I took it for what it's worth, which is to say that the Z1 camera performed quite a bit better than what some individual posters or bloggers would have you believe. Could it be better? Sure, there's always room for improvement. Is it still really good? It looks so.
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which firmware ? LG G2 better in low light ! its very very OverProcessed and Smoothed ...

Let's go to town on this one
omnius1 said:
Outdoors at night time were a disappointment, so in this case I would suggest NOT using Superior Auto mode for those shots, as many others have suggested. Try Manual, 8MP, auto ISO, -1 to -2 ev
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Church
LG (1/12s, ISO 800, 13MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/13s, ISO 400. 20MP, Auto)
The LG took a cleaner shot at twice the ISO as the Z1. Z1 in this review is using the latest .257 firmware.
The Z1 looks little over exposed. It's a pity they didn't take an 8MP as the noise would be less. Cannot see any camera shake here. ISO 200 might have been more clean.
Side street
LG (Shutter speed & ISO unknown, 13MP, Auto) Since this one is more clear, i assume it was taken at a faster shutter speed.
Z1 (1/8s, ISO 400, 20MP, Auto).
Reference (2 sec, ISO 160, 15.9MP, Auto)
Obvious camera shake if you see the moneygram sign on the left. camera shake affects picture quality.
1020 (1/8, ISO 800, 38.2MP, Auto) This one is clear.
Intersection
LG (1/14, ISO 400, 13MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/20, ISO 500, 20MP, Auto)
No noticeable camera shake here. Z1 still looks over exposed. ISO 200 with little EV would have been better.
Building
LG (1/15, ISO 300, 20MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/32, ISO 320, 20MP, Auto)
These look pretty similar, Z1 could have done with ISO 200. Also a spot meter rather than centre-weighted in an area between light & dark could have helped.
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LG (shutter speed & ISO unknown, 13MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/8, ISO 400, 13, Auto)
Clear example where manual EV compensation would have brought out more details in both cameras and they could have used a lower ISO. So you can see how Auto can get it wrong some times. And scores averaged off auto will be equally flawed.
1020 (0.3s, ISO 4000,38.2MP, 17.2MB)
Reference (0.3s, ISO 1250, 15.9MP, 5.5MB, Low contrast, Manual WB)
It's curious why the LG dropped shutter & ISO info twice out of 4 pictures.

One Twelve said:
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Church
LG (1/12s, ISO 800, 13MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/13s, ISO 400. 20MP, Auto)
The LG took a cleaner shot at twice the ISO as the Z1. Z1 in this review is using the latest .257 firmware.
The Z1 looks little over exposed. It's a pity they didn't take an 8MP as the noise would be less. Cannot see any camera shake here. ISO 200 might have been more clean.
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LG (Shutter speed & ISO unknown, 13MP, Auto) Since this one is more clear, i assume it was taken at a faster shutter speed.
Z1 (1/8s, ISO 400, 20MP, Auto).
Reference (2 sec, ISO 160, 15.9MP, Auto)
Obvious camera shake if you see the moneygram sign on the left. camera shake affects picture quality.
1020 (1/8, ISO 800, 38.2MP, Auto) This one is clear.
Intersection
LG (1/14, ISO 400, 13MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/20, ISO 500, 20MP, Auto)
No noticeable camera shake here. Z1 still looks over exposed. ISO 200 with little EV would have been better.
Building
LG (1/15, ISO 300, 20MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/32, ISO 320, 20MP, Auto)
These look pretty similar, Z1 could have done with ISO 200. Also a spot meter rather than centre-weighted in an area between light & dark could have helped.
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LG (shutter speed & ISO unknown, 13MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/8, ISO 400, 13, Auto)
Clear example where manual EV compensation would have brought out more details in both cameras and they could have used a lower ISO. So you can see how Auto can get it wrong some times. And scores averaged off auto will be equally flawed.
1020 (0.3s, ISO 4000,38.2MP, 17.2MB)
Reference (0.3s, ISO 1250, 15.9MP, 5.5MB, Low contrast, Manual WB)
It's curious why the LG dropped shutter & ISO info twice out of 4 pictures.
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never seen such bad low light fotos from the z1 before ... sure you know what i mean cuz you know the pics i take from the flickr Set !
thats one photo just with manual and night scene ! i will not follow any photo comparisons from reviewers anyMORE !!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10985713943/in/set-72157637726566185

ashouhdy said:
never seen such bad low light fotos from the z1 before ... sure you know what i mean cuz you know the pics i take from the flickr Set !
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Exactly. Your photos are adequate proof of what a few tweaks here & there can do to overall picture quality, with any phone.
But nearly all your photos are 8MP. I found a couple at 20MP. People want to know why 20MP cannot do good shots if 1020 at 38.3MP can do it. But you can if people look at these two
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The 8MP is correctly exposed, but if you used ISO 200 with the 20MP it also would have been the same.
Plus you use the slowest shutter speeds possible ie 0.8s going no faster than 0.3s. Other than the 1020 which can go as slow as 4s, none of the cameras reviewed can go slower than 0.3s. In this review the slowest shutter on the Z1 is 1/8 and they still got blur in one. So people will look at this review and think G2 can do better outdoors night shots than Z1

One Twelve said:
Exactly. Your photos are adequate proof of what a few tweaks here & there can do to overall picture quality, with any phone.
But nearly all your photos are 8MP. I found a couple at 20MP. People want to know why 20MP cannot do good shots if 1020 at 38.3MP can do it. But you can if people look at these two
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The 8MP is correctly exposed, but if you used ISO 200 with the 20MP it also would have been the same.
Plus you use the slowest shutter speeds possible ie 0.8s going no faster than 0.3s. Other than the 1020 which can go as slow as 4s, none of the cameras reviewed can go slower than 0.3s. In this review the slowest shutter on the Z1 is 1/8 and they still got blur in one. So people will look at this review and think G2 can do better outdoors night shots than Z1
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its the night scene that puts the shutter to 1/8 ... Also i doubt the LG can get close to the low light performance of the Z1 Due to Sensor Size 1/2.3" vs 1/3"
And Yes the 20MP i guess its as if a RAW image ... but thats my sensation am not sure. Also i noticed that with 20MP the Bionz Procss. imaging Ship is Deactivated.
i Guess Sony Tweaked the Phone for the Optimium 8MP with Pixels Binning and the BionZ image ship.
the last pic i posted the FOG is amazingly clean ... believe me some Hand As Shot DigiCams will not capture the Fog that clean.
i will try to take some 20MP vs 8MP in other time

They did not use night mode in any shots. It was all auto for every camera. if auto was so good then why are these modes present in the camera in the first place. They are specialised presets for special situations. Auto cannot do it all (unless its iphone) that is why they are there.
Remember wezzel's laser shots, they were ISO 200 with +2EV.
(in theory) ISO 200 +2EV is like ISO 800 with 0EV. Not sure if its completely linear.
Difference is ISO 200 is fine grain whereas ISO 800 is more grainy.
One thing i notice in the first LG night shot, G2 is using ISO 800 but the shot is quite clear, I do not see much noise. Also in the last one the 1020 is using ISO 4000. Again very clear shot. If you try ISO 4000 with Z1 you will get an oil painting.
Clean low light shots with Z1 = low ISO + slow shutter speed (+ EV if necessary).
Z1 sensor cannot produce clean shots with high ISO. Which is a pity beause shutter speed will be much faster so chances of blur are much lower. The result is you got to work harder to get good shots with Z1 but when you do the others cannot match it, barring the 1020 ofc.
20MP jpg is not RAW its jpg.
RAW is TIFF ie no compression.

One Twelve said:
They did not use night mode in any shots. It was all auto for every camera. if auto was so good then why are these modes present in the camera in the first place. They are specialised presets for special situations. Auto cannot do it all (unless its iphone) that is why they are there.
Remember wezzel's laser shots, they were ISO 200 with +2EV.
(in theory) ISO 200 +2EV is like ISO 800 with 0EV. Not sure if its completely linear.
Difference is ISO 200 is fine grain whereas ISO 800 is more grainy.
One thing i notice in the first LG night shot, G2 is using ISO 800 but the shot is quite clear, I do not see much noise. Also in the last one the 1020 is using ISO 4000. Again very clear shot. If you try ISO 4000 with Z1 you will get an oil painting.
Clean low light shots with Z1 = low ISO + slow shutter speed (+ EV if necessary).
Z1 sensor cannot produce clean shots with high ISO. Which is a pity beause shutter speed will be much faster so chances of blur are much lower. The result is you got to work harder to get good shots with Z1 but when you do the others cannot match it, barring the 1020 ofc.
20MP jpg is not RAW its jpg.
RAW is TIFF ie no compression.
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Also the SA somtimes kicks the ISO up to 1600 with the night mode i've seen it many times. SA puts a night scene down beside a guy running (i guess it means hand held) the average is ISO 1600 with 1/8 exposure (the rail way photo in my set) and yes leads to blur free images as advertised.
Also did you noticed that the LG pics the over all scene is not bright just the Centre where it is meant to focus .. in contraversry the Z1 all around scene is much brighter the church photo is a good example.
if i tab to focus on the church i guess u could get similar results with lg

That's good review!

One Twelve said:
They did not use night mode in any shots. It was all auto for every camera. if auto was so good then why are these modes present in the camera in the first place. They are specialised presets for special situations. Auto cannot do it all (unless its iphone) that is why they are there.
Remember wezzel's laser shots, they were ISO 200 with +2EV.
(in theory) ISO 200 +2EV is like ISO 800 with 0EV. Not sure if its completely linear.
Difference is ISO 200 is fine grain whereas ISO 800 is more grainy.
One thing i notice in the first LG night shot, G2 is using ISO 800 but the shot is quite clear, I do not see much noise. Also in the last one the 1020 is using ISO 4000. Again very clear shot. If you try ISO 4000 with Z1 you will get an oil painting.
Clean low light shots with Z1 = low ISO + slow shutter speed (+ EV if necessary).
Z1 sensor cannot produce clean shots with high ISO. Which is a pity beause shutter speed will be much faster so chances of blur are much lower. The result is you got to work harder to get good shots with Z1 but when you do the others cannot match it, barring the 1020 ofc.
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So basically what I take from this is that as long as you take the time to learn how to optimize the settings for certain scenes that auto superior doesn't handle well, we've got one of the best smartphone cameras available
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z1

omnius1 said:
So basically what I take from this is that as long as you take the time to learn how to optimize the settings for certain scenes that auto superior doesn't handle well, we've got one of the best smartphone cameras available
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Yes but many will not be prepared to put in that effort.
Once you've driven 10,000 miles handling a car is second nature, almost reflexive.
Once you've taken over a 1000 photos the same applies with any phone camera. Ideally, with experience, you see a shot, know what exposure to use regardless of the lighting, click and get it right more times than not. This is a skill. People want to get it right with no skill. In good light you can get away with it, once the light dips it gets harder.
Phone cameras still do not help to get a good shot unlike dslrs. You have no clue what the sensor sees and decides to use for ISO/shutter speed, i wish it would display that info before taking the photo. What it thinks TTL (through the lens) is the best setting to use to get a properly exposed shot. So you take the shot, preview, tweak, try again until right. It could be easier.
There is no over-exposure warning. This is something i think should be possible with current tech. Its still too easy to overexpose in good light as well as low light with a well lit subject. Phone cameras by default, operate in aperture priority mode, cannot change aperture so they pick the right shutter speed/ISO to get the best shot. They choose wrong on occasion.
SCN modes is an attempt to fill that gap. Again these are presets that pick values from a given set given what the camera sees. These modes are supposed to be user-friendly but if you know what settings to use its much simpler to just use those and be done with it. Now you're thinking like a photographer with a dslr ergo know how to get the best shot with the device you have for a given subject's lighting.
The one thing that is still not possible is freezing motion in low light. That requires a sensor with low noise at higher ISO. But you can freeze motion to some extent if the subject is not more than 5 feet away with flash but that's about it.

One Twelve said:
Side street
LG (Shutter speed & ISO unknown, 13MP, Auto) Since this one is more clear, i assume it was taken at a faster shutter speed.
Z1 (1/8s, ISO 400, 20MP, Auto).
Reference (2 sec, ISO 160, 15.9MP, Auto)
Obvious camera shake if you see the moneygram sign on the left. camera shake affects picture quality.
1020 (1/8, ISO 800, 38.2MP, Auto) This one is clear.
Bench
LG (shutter speed & ISO unknown, 13MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/8, ISO 400, 13, Auto)
Clear example where manual EV compensation would have brought out more details in both cameras and they could have used a lower ISO. So you can see how Auto can get it wrong some times. And scores averaged off auto will be equally flawed.
1020 (0.3s, ISO 4000,38.2MP, 17.2MB)
Reference (0.3s, ISO 1250, 15.9MP, 5.5MB, Low contrast, Manual WB)
It's curious why the LG dropped shutter & ISO info twice out of 4 pictures.
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Think i found the reason why the G2 dropped the shutter & ISO info from the exif of those two pics, it switched automatically into night mode. S4 has a setting for this, switch to night mode if light detected is too low. Maybe the one in the reviewers G2 did so as well.
G2 does not mention scene type in the exif which is sloppy. But the S4 does, night mode basically means a kind of HDR, it takes a number of images and then combines them. Result is ISO & shutter speed are missing in the exif. At least samsung indicates that the S4 went into night mode. You have to wait while these images are combined before taking the next shot, so there is some delay here. Brian Klug goes into this in his anandtech review on the S4's camera.
Check out the exifs of these two pics from the G2..
Low light
Night mode
1/8 seems to be the slowest speed the G2 can go to. After that its exposure compensation image combo magic. Same applies for S3, S4, Note 3 & Note 2 as well.
!/8 + 1/8 + 1/8... is still 1/8 with less blur given the faster shutter time but you still have to hold the camera still for the duration and end up with a 1/8 exposure compensated shot.
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ashouhdy said:
its the night scene that puts the shutter to 1/8 ... Also i doubt the LG can get close to the low light performance of the Z1 Due to Sensor Size 1/2.3" vs 1/3"
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No chance for G2 to beat Z1 in low light.
Z1 sensor is 33% bigger.
Z1 aperture is 50% bigger
Z1 shutter speed is 6x slower (if its confirmed 1/8 is slowest speed for G2)
Plus you can exposure compensate 2+ on Z1

Comparison test pic between Z1 and Z3

dont be disappointed for those who have unlock their bootloader on their Z3. both of my Z1 and Z3 bootloader is unlocked.
at least there is something to cheer up about!
a test pic taken on Z1 and Z3 have shown better results. camera setting for both phone is the same.
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both phones have unlock BL right?
What settings did you use for taking these shots.. Auto/Manual etc

vidge1111 said:
both phones have unlock BL right?
What settings did you use for taking these shots.. Auto/Manual etc
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yes. both phone hav already unlock bootloader.
on manual settings.

Please upload original pics to compare. Xperia phones can't capture png files as normal and of course not 32bit depth

Zanr Zij said:
Please upload original pics to compare. Xperia phones can't capture png files as normal and of course not 32bit depth
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Z1
Z3

chunlianghere said:
dont be disappointed for those who have unlock their bootloader on their Z3. both of my Z1 and Z3 bootloader is unlocked.
at least there is something to cheer up about!
a test pic taken on Z1 and Z3 have shown better results. camera setting for both phone is the same.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2730097
The stock camera on z1 is really bad, it doesn't need to do testing because almost everyone know it. Can you flash the Chocolatetrain's mod cam V8 8MP on Z1 and compare it to Z3 again? Make sure your Z1 is on 4.4.4 because the camera focus on 4.4.2 is very bad.

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Oh! Just download them .
2 pics are different in file size so I can't say anything to compare. If you can, compare Z3 UB and LB.

I have unlocked mine and this is the picture I took awhile ago..
Updated pic link (too large to attach here)
Click here

z3 pretty good

Sorry, guys.
No comparison possible with reduced size photos. With reduced size, you cannot see fine details, you cannot even spot the Z3's non-focus areas at the picture's edges.
Please post photos in FULL resolution, only. Everything else is just a waste of time, making everything look great.

Chefproll said:
Sorry, guys.
No comparison possible with reduced size photos. With reduced size, you cannot see fine details, you cannot even spot the Z3's non-focus areas at the picture's edges.
Please post photos in FULL resolution, only. Everything else is just a waste of time, making everything look great.
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its already in FULL RESOLUTION!
right click the pic, open in new tab
Sent from my D6653 using XDA Free mobile app

chunlianghere said:
its already in FULL RESOLUTION!
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So 1024 x 768 is the full resolution of our Z3's camera ?

Chefproll said:
Sorry, guys.
No comparison possible with reduced size photos. With reduced size, you cannot see fine details, you cannot even spot the Z3's non-focus areas at the picture's edges.
Please post photos in FULL resolution, only. Everything else is just a waste of time, making everything look great.
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You can check out my link above. For the Xperia z3 picture in Flickr. Ignore the rest.

bb_hershey said:
You can check out my link above. For the Xperia z3 picture in Flickr. Ignore the rest.
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I did. Z3 performs quite well in low-light situations but FAILS with shots taken under bright sunlight. Especially plants, flowers or grass are rendered in a horrible way. Quality is like an 8 MP camera even in 20.7 MP mode, with unfocused areas at the picture's edges (left and right image borders).
Just try, watch the results in 1:1, FULL resolution at your monitor. :/

Chefproll said:
So 1024 x 768 is the full resolution of our Z3's camera ?
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oops! stupid photobucket! :crying:
Z1
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Z3

chunlianghere said:
oops! stupid photobucket! :crying:
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Thank you very much for providing these pictures !
Picture 1: Have a look at the playground down in the middle: Sharp contours, looks very good.
But then have a look at the trees on the right hand side of the picture, focus the leaves: All blurred, just a muddy green slurry. Especially visible if leaves are in front of another green background like above the tiny lawn with the street lamp on it.
So we've got real sharp objects AND totally blurred objects in the same picture. - Caused by Sony's inferior software.
Picture 2: Concentrate on the D-Link box, note the part just below the line "mydlink Camera Video Recorder".
Left hand side ("Home/Small Office"): Focused. Right hand side: Blurred. - Spoiled by Sony's inferior software.

Chefproll said:
Thank you very much for providing these pictures !
Picture 1: Have a look at the playground down in the middle: Sharp contours, looks very good.
But then have a look at the trees on the right hand side of the picture, focus the leaves: All blurred, just a muddy green slurry. Especially visible if leaves are in front of another green background like above the tiny lawn with the street lamp on it.
So we've got real sharp objects AND totally blurred objects in the same picture. - Caused by Sony's inferior software.
Picture 2: Concentrate on the D-Link box, note the part just below the line "mydlink Camera Video Recorder".
Left hand side ("Home/Small Office"): Focused. Right hand side: Blurred. - Spoiled by Sony's inferior software.
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so u mean "Spoiled by Sony's inferior software" is because of unlocking bootloader or?

chunlianghere said:
so u mean "Spoiled by Sony's inferior software" is because of unlocking bootloader or?
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The software without unlocking is faulty, too. See several reviews. But there is a fair chance they fix it with a software update. The sensor is great, the software is holding back the quality.

chunlianghere said:
so u mean "Spoiled by Sony's inferior software" is because of unlocking bootloader or?
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No, this problems are not caused by unlocking the bootloader. It's just Sony spoiling the camera by using a SUBZERO camera software. Maybe there's a deal as Sony sells camera modules to other manufacturers: "We'll buy your Sony cameras if you make sure that your own Smartphone's cameras are far inferior to ours."
We've got a capable sensor - but the Sony software castrates it down to 8 MP level. :/

Chefproll said:
No, this problems are not caused by unlocking the bootloader. It's just Sony spoiling the camera by using a SUBZERO camera software. Maybe there's a deal as Sony sells camera modules to other manufacturers: "We'll buy your Sony cameras if you make sure that your own Smartphone's cameras are far inferior to ours."
We've got a capable sensor - but the Sony software castrates it down to 8 MP level. :/
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The fact that automode makes it 8MP isn't that much the issue btw (for me at least), oversampling is a common technique to get the best MP image using all the pixels of a large sensor. The problem is that Sony's implementation is mediocre at best and you can not really count on it.
As this has been the case since the Z1 I'm very sceptical of them actually fixing it, but I do remember firmware updates for the Z1 for example which really improved fotos. It is frustrating though, the hardware is awesome but they don't get the most out of it because of the software.
Still, it's not as much crap as people here give it. I have shot many great fotos with the Z1 (although only owning the Z3 for a few days now I can not yet comment properly on its pictures) but the fact that it's advertised as the best camera phone ever sets the bar high and it can not (always) live up to that.

Disappointed by the Z5 camera pictures quality: a critical comparison!

Dear all,
Like they say "the devil's in the details" and "the beauty is in the eye of the beholder"... Nonetheless this is not meant to inflame anyone but rather to open your eyes for what is to be seen.
It's not about fanboys wars but about waking up Sony until it's not too late. The idea for the pictures below is simple: they represent 100% zooms in comparisons of some of the currently available "heads on" camera tests between Sony Z5 and other models.
So far I will save my comments for later on. I should add I am a pro photographer for more than 15 year and - aside from the artistic misconceptions I might have - at least I properly understand what digital image quality about.
Source of images used in this comparison:
http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk...ompact-review/
AND
http://www.phonearena.com/news/First...arison_id73408
Provided other comparisons will show-up on the web I will take my time to add more of such 100% match-up. Enjoy and... spread the love! :highfive:
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Hm, sure looks like the quality is quite bad compared to the Note 5 which is strange since reviews seem to rank it as one of the absolute best at the moment.

I know dxomarks rushed review has given enormously high hopes to everyone looking at Sony but let's take that review with a pinch of salt. I highly dislike big praising reviews where no "pixel peeping" proofs are made available so that upon having finished reading the report everyone can get a good grasp at the proofs in the file and go home thoroughly accepting the results.
Not the case unfortunately with dxomarks and their last two "shouted" reviews: Sony's Z5 and Huawei's 6P...

Lol. No EXIF data. Nothing except Adobe Photoshop data in EXIF. http://regex.info/exif.cgi?imgurl=http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_1.jpg
Why do we must ever speak with you?

Same old problem like the first xperia z... Noise...

Thanks for the comparison but in reality, if you truly want quality pictures in all conditions, no mobile phone will satisfy. That is why cameras are available.

IT.Adviser said:
Lol. No EXIF data. Nothing except Adobe Photoshop data in EXIF. http://regex.info/exif.cgi?imgurl=http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_1.jpg
Why do we must ever speak with you?
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Let's not bring this to a kindergarten quarrel leveled, ok?
It is not about how we feel about brands and personal affinities. I have done a 100% fare comparison by opening the available pictures at the already discussed threads on xda Sony Z5 General sections. So, help yourself!
http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/4523/4953454/1/rv/sony-xperia-z5-compact-review/
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Firs...vs-Z3-vs-G4-camera-samples-comparison_id73408

dissapointing xperia z5 camera quality

Ah guys, it's a 23mm wide-angle lens
The Xperia Z5 uses a 23mm wide-angle lens vs. the Note 5's 28mm lens. So, the Z5 pics are probably like 100% zoomed in further. I'm no photography expert (I'm a tech guy), but I think that speaks for itself. Those pics are not a fair comparison.
Edit: Correction, 24mm lens on the Z5.

edit:Nevermind these arent your own photos. Cant take this an end all situation
Where did you get the photos? I mean they seem to be taken from many places and are you comparing a 16mp vs 8? or 23mp actual to 16mp

It's not about focal lenghts
joe_dude said:
The Xperia Z5 uses a 23mm wide-angle lens vs. the Note 5's 28mm lens. So, the Z5 pics are probably like 100% zoomed in further. I'm no photography expert (I'm a tech guy), but I think that speaks for itself. Those pics are not a fair comparison.
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Hi @joe_dude,
It's not about focal lens here, in this comparison. Z5's 23mm vs a 28mm (Note5 or other camera) would result more in distortions and image degradation towards the image left/right sides, where Z5 seems to exhibit strong errors (as already pointed out in other threads). The 100% zoomed in crops I used in this comparison where mainly taken in the center area of the original picture so that it doesn't affect the overall balance of evaluation. So, NO, this is not where I tried to evaluate focal lengths and how their induced distortion was corrected by Sony's Z5.

jetbruceli said:
edit:Nevermind these arent your own photos. Cant take this an end all situation
Where did you get the photos? I mean they seem to be taken from many places and are you comparing a 16mp vs 8? or 23mp actual to 16mp
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Hi @jetbruceli,
I have updated the initial post with the links to the original pictures. All the pictures are 23mpx to the actual size of the compared cameras (16mpx for Note5 / S6 / G4).
Try to focus on the actual pictures quality and leave aside and supposed wrongdoing tentative on my behalf while proposing this comparison.

dehnhaide said:
I have done a 100% fare comparison by opening the available pictures at the already discussed threads on xda Sony Z5 General sections.
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Do you think, that we can compare totally different files with absolute different size?
http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on..._4523_d3ed90416a666e289d48f11080b9c155ori.JPG
5,520 × 4,140
http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on..._4523_f99d567409097f8c93322a5ed1978f9bori.jpg
5,312 × 2,988
I can take pictures with 100x100 size on 10 years old device and they will look superb comparing with 5000x5000 photos. If you want to compare set exactly same conditions and file setups.

dehnhaide said:
Hi @joe_dude,
It's not about focal lens here, in this comparison. Z5's 23mm vs a 28mm (Note5 or other camera) would result more in distortions and image degradation towards the image left/right sides, where Z5 seems to exhibit strong errors (as already pointed out in other threads). The 100% zoomed in crops I used in this comparison where mainly taken in the center area of the original picture so that it doesn't affect the overall balance of evaluation. So, NO, this is not where I tried to evaluate focal lengths and how their induced distortion was corrected by Sony's Z5.
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But you're comparing the cars, for example, at the same size. In the original pic, the car is smaller with the Z5. All the pics taken with the Z5 are zoomed out further. You will lose quality by zooming in closer. A fair test would require the shooter to walk slightly closer, so that the size of the objects with each camera matches up. That said, the iphone pics are zoomed in much farther. Now I understand why the iphone gets decent quality - by sacrificing FOV.

IT.Adviser said:
Do you think, that we can compare totally different files with absolute different size?
http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on..._4523_d3ed90416a666e289d48f11080b9c155ori.JPG
5,520 × 4,140
http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on..._4523_f99d567409097f8c93322a5ed1978f9bori.jpg
5,312 × 2,988
I can take pictures with 100x100 size on 10 years old device and they will look superb comparing with 5000x5000 photos. If you want to compare set exactly same conditions and file setups.
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Hi @IT.Adviser,
Your reasoning is puzzling! ) Sorry to be that blunt!-aspect
"Do you think, that we can compare totally different files with absolute different size?".... Man, this is what the camera sensors of two different smartphones are throwing out. One is a multi-aspect (Z5 is both 4:3 and 16:9) and one is a 16:9 (on Note5). What is the problem then? I opened each and every picture in Photoshop, zoomed to 100% and chose same size crop (1.000x1.000 pixels) in pretty much the same area, so the comparison is absolutely fare! Recheck your reasoning, pls!
"According to some new evidence, it looks like the new sensor on the Sony Xperia Z5 series actually has a resolution of 25MP, although the photos you can extract from it are limited to 23MP due to the difference between the two standard aspect ratios. When shooting in portrait mode - a 4:3 aspect ratio - the sensor is capable of taking photos at 5,520 x 4,140 pixels (23MP). In landscape - 16:9 aspect ratio - mode, the camera takes photos at 5,984 x 3,366 pixels (20MP).
Read more at http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-Sony-Xperia-Z5-series-actually-has-a-25MP-multi-aspect-primary-camera-sensor_id73325#ofcKoe4y1dz93ck5.99"

dehnhaide said:
I opened each and every picture in Photoshop, zoomed to 100% and chose same size crop (1.000x1.000 pixels) in pretty much the same area, so the comparison is absolutely fare!
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I agree with you, that Sony photos are bad. But, I disagree about such comparison of this photos.

joe_dude said:
But you're comparing the cars, for example, at the same size. In the original pic, the car is smaller with the Z5. All the pics taken with the Z5 are zoomed out further. You will lose quality by zooming in closer. A fair test would require the shooter to walk slightly closer, so that the size of the objects with each camera matches up. That said, the iphone pics are zoomed in much farther. Now I understand why the iphone gets decent quality - by sacrificing FOV.
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Really? Really, really, really? I am not sure if you keep attacking the methodology used here or just asking for details in an offensive manner... Yet, the picture you're talking about has not been re-sized, fact you could easily observe from the attachment below. The EXIF bears the original details of the file that happen to match the Z5 capabilities (resolution, etc.)

Not sure why...
IT.Adviser said:
I agree with you, that Sony photos are bad. But, I disagree about such comparison of this photos.
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Why would you? I am open to describe the step-by-step workflow I followed when performing the assessment just to make sure that everybody is confident about the result. Unfortunately I am no at home, else I could even provide you with the .PSD file I have created with all the layers used in the comparison, so that you could let go the paranoia about the methodology.
I am not a fan of any brand (had owned quite too many of them actually to be a fan o any in particular) but i think the most important thing here is to let the community know (aside from the paid reviews by "precious" 3rd parties) about the current standing of image quality in Z5's camera. Agree?

Depends on where you look, You can easily nitpick something while ignoring the general result, here are some examples from the same collections of pictures you used.
Z5 on left, Note5 on right, over sharpened and exposed.

Your looking at early September firmware...
But yeah the Z5 photos aren't as good as Sony and DXOMark are making it sound.

Camera and video samples

Just what the headline says . Lets fill up this section with Nexus 5x images and video.
Video is pretty good, focus is good detail is nice too :
Low light https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IulfEiCSHDg
Day light short video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT2ATZQHotQ
Some images form this website : http://indiatoday.intoday.in/techno...at-nexus-5x-and-nexus-6p-camera/1/497446.html
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Jelly bean dish looks great!

Camera seems capable some minor focus off's however I will refrain from earlier judgment because of quite versatile light conditions I find it hard to make my mind up .

Nexus 5x Camera Samples which I got from a youtuber - gadgetstouse. All of these are taken in low or artificial light.

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Nexus 5x Camera Samples which I got from a youtuber - gadgetstouse. All of these are taken in low or artificial light.
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I couldn't find exif data on them They are also heavily cropped)

I'm curious to know how it performs without OIS. Does anyone have pictures taken by both the 5X and 6P?

SlowRain said:
I'm curious to know how it performs without OIS. Does anyone have pictures taken by both the 5X and 6P?
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I have the pics taken by both nexus 5x and nexus 6p - let me upload them here.

Just do it, in the native resolution please.

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I couldn't find exif data on them They are also heavily cropped)
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There is reason the are cropped and small in data size, I have attached them rather than linking them, looks like there was some compression happened for the photo samples I added - correct me if I am wrong here.

zapper.abhi said:
There is reason the are cropped and small in data size, I have attached them rather than linking them, looks like there was some compression happened for the photo samples I added - correct me if I am wrong here.
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Because you cropped them we have smaller resolution . That means we have less detail to stare at I don't think single image compression would affect images so much.

zapper.abhi said:
I have the pics taken by both nexus 5x and nexus 6p - let me upload them here.
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That would be a big help, especially if they're pictures taken of the same thing at the same time.

nebulaoperator said:
Because you cropped them we have smaller resolution . That means we have less detail to stare at I don't think single image compression would affect images so much.
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I have transferred them via bluetooth, let me reupload them again as they, I need to do a double check.

Can Anyone share the Google Camera App From this device... Eagerly waiting.

zapper.abhi said:
I have transferred them via bluetooth, let me reupload them again as they, I need to do a double check.
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It shouldn't be a problem unless you bluetooth device has some mysteriously destructive compression way of transferring files. Are you going to upload your images?

I am actually surprised how good is overcast and low light performance. Dynamic range, color reproduction and detail are at very high standard.
No smearing or painting alike artifacts what so ever., images are sharp and clear. So far so good Nexus 5x!
http://imgur.com/a/xinsN
That's the actual owner of the Nexus 5x photo album : https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3p8bsy/nexus_5x_photo_album/

Anyone could tell me what is the minimum focus distance of the 5X's camera? (In the Nexus 5 it's like 5cm - 6cm)
Do you use HDR+ for all the photos? (I mean, it's a good mode for everyday photos? Like in the Nexus 5).
My story:
I've used a Nexus 5 for almost two years, took amazing photos. Now I've a Z5 Compact but I prefer the "average" Nexus 5 camera.. Specially when I'm taking short-distance photos.
So I think I'll return the Z5 Compact and go for the 5X.
I didn't like the Z5C camera quality despite of the reviews and all the good landscapes photos around...

thesebastian said:
Anyone could tell me what is the minimum focus distance of the 5X's camera? (In the Nexus 5 it's like 5cm - 6cm)
Do you use HDR+ for all the photos? (I mean, it's a good mode for everyday photos? Like in the Nexus 5).
My story:
I've used a Nexus 5 for almost two years, took amazing photos. Now I've a Z5 Compact but I prefer the "average" Nexus 5 camera.. Specially when I'm taking short-distance photos.
So I think I'll return the Z5 Compact and go for the 5X.
I didn't like the Z5C camera quality despite of the reviews and all the good landscapes photos around...
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Those are not my photos , last link will guide you to the actual owner of that photo album. He also mentioned some images are shot in HDR mode. From what I saw 5x camera is easy superior to 5. Look what overcast he had and how well lit images are.

nebulaoperator said:
Those are not my photos , last link will guide you to the actual owner of that photo album. He also mentioned some images are shot in HDR mode. From what I saw 5x camera is easy superior to 5. Look what overcast he had and how well lit images are.
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Ok! Thanks for the info.
Yes. At least all these photos seems to be better than the N5 photos.
So the 5X passed my "medium-long distance" photo test.
But I'll wait for some minimum distance photos without good light. To know how is the camera at those situations!
Sent from my E5823

thesebastian said:
Ok! Thanks for the info.
Yes. At least all these photos seems to be better than the N5 photos.
So the 5X passed my "medium-long distance" photo test.
But I'll wait for some minimum distance photos without good light. To know how is the camera at those situations!
Sent from my E5823
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I am getting my 5x tomorrow will gladly do some close ups. What in particular are you interested in?
Here are few close ups from androidcentral : http://forums.androidcentral.com/nexus-5x/595823-mine-has-just-been-delivered.html
By the way Nexus 5x camera sensor is 1.55 µm pixels. By far largest in the 2015 smartphones at the moment. Low light dream

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I am getting my 5x tomorrow will gladly do some close ups. What in particular are you interested in?
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Something like this (close ups, most of them indoor, sometimes with artificial light, and always with HDR+, and the original size to see the photo at "real size"):
Nexus 5 (2013) samples:
http://i.imgur.com/nLfbhvk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6lg1XGZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Uma4u3o.jpg
My current problem is that, I've tried to compare the Nexus 5 quality with the Z5 Compact quality "at a short distance", and I don't like the results, so I'm coming back to the Nexus 5 (or the 5X if possible):
Sample 1:
Z5 Compact 20.0MP (16:9) Sony Camera (Superior auto):
http://i.imgur.com/sojFzZ6.jpg
Nexus 5 6.0MP (16:9) Google Camera (HDR+):
http://i.imgur.com/Kjl9yAx.jpg
Sample 2:
Z5 Compact 20.0MP (16:9) Sony Camera (Manual):
http://i.imgur.com/JNfdth8.jpg
Nexus 5 6.0MP (16:9) Google Camera (HDR+):
http://i.imgur.com/Hl8VP6n.jpg
Thanks!