Hi guys,
I really enjoyed the few first hands-on and impressions of Dell's new Venue 11 Pro.
The Atom version combined with a battery keyboard dock could finally be a match for the Android Asus Transformer, if you want the Win8 ecosystem.
I'm still a bit shy due to the lack of apps compared to Android, but I think the Venue could be a really good solution for a multimedia tablet / MS Office notebook.
Anyone else here considering to get one?
Greets
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Hi guys,
I really enjoyed the few first hands-on and impressions of Dell's new Venue 11 Pro.
The Atom version combined with a battery keyboard dock could finally be a match for the Android Asus Transformer, if you want the Win8 ecosystem.
I'm still a bit shy due to the lack of apps compared to Android, but I think the Venue could be a really good solution for a multimedia tablet / MS Office notebook.
Anyone else here considering to get one?
Greets
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iam also looking for an 10-11 inch windows 8 pro tab,i liked dell venue pro 11 ,but heard that lenovo,acer etc is about to unveil their new line up of windows 8 pro tabs.what do you think?
Well, I'm not the big Acer fan, although I really would like to see some competition in the passive cooled, long battery life Win8 Pro tablets with docks department. Where did you get that info? Lenovo would be nice!
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I'm probably getting one but I want the top end i5 rather then atom. Atom will be nice though and much more useful then any android tablet.
There isn't as much of a need for 'apps' with full win 8 however there are quite a few good ones and the list keeps growing.
Well, with apps I guess I would be satisfied with a good touch optimized videoplayer and a few decent games.
The other thing is the Atom: I never had one and I'm not really sure if it's good enough for HD video playback and fluent MS Office working...
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Well, with apps I guess I would be satisfied with a good touch optimized videoplayer and a few decent games.
The other thing is the Atom: I never had one and I'm not really sure if it's good enough for HD video playback and fluent MS Office working...
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search youtube for "robaxx". He has done several demos on a vivotab smart showing what the atom can and cannot do (played a few games, played several HD movies simultaneously in different applications). The clovertrail chip is powering the vivotab smart and is both a) massively inferior to the bay trail chip on its way and b) massively superior to the previous generation atom chips in the old netbooks. Robaxx managed to load a 200 page word document no problem. My brothers netbook is capable of at least decoding a full HD video clip in VLC media player but only having a 600 pixel tall screen cant display at 1080p for obvious reasons
VLC is coming out as a windows 8 app with touch support, on a desktop system VLC is by far the best free media player and often beats paid for ones too in my opinion, to be fair its probably pretty usable on touch too as is. Otherwise there are a few paid apps on the windows store, I think powerDVD is up there.
The atom is not going to play skyrim on full settings or whatever, actually skyrim might not even run on all low settings. But it is still plenty powerful for office, video playback and web browsing. One of my friends even did his full A-Level computing coursework on a 1.3ghz dual core intel atom netbook, 3500 lines of VB.net in Visual Studio 2010 and a 250 page word document, A grade coursework, all done on his machine.
That's really cool info!
I'm using VLC for years now on my Desktop, with a short break with Kantaris, and the lack of a true touch VLC app was honestly a reason for sticking with Android so far.
And with games I'm talking more like Dosbox stuff and older games or touch games, so no state of the art stuff
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-Zeppelin- said:
That's really cool info!
I'm using VLC for years now on my Desktop, with a short break with Kantaris, and the lack of a true touch VLC app was honestly a reason for sticking with Android so far.
And with games I'm talking more like Dosbox stuff and older games or touch games, so no state of the art stuff
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Then the atom may well do it and robaxx in the past seems to have been pretty open to questions on what it can and cannot run so if you drop him a message he might be able to help with specific software queries (I sadly dont own a windows tablet)
Something new on the Atom convertibles front?
Heard Lenovo showed some new stuff but apparently no convertibles?
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Something new on the Atom convertibles front?
Heard Lenovo showed some new stuff but apparently no convertibles?
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Lenovo showed the Miix2, 8" tablet, no new convertibles though
Unless you could the possibility of the acer W4 fitting the keyboard for the W3, but that wasnt a true convertible either, more a keyboard with a tablet stand on it.
http://www.notebookreview.com/defau...former+T100+Windows+8+Tablet+Hands+On+Preview
Well Asus, you could have made me really happy if only that thing would have FullHD.
Now I'm stuck between the lower resolution and no USB on the tablet Asus, which on the other side features a 500gb HDD (!) and the FullHD Dell with USB on the tablet, which might have just too little space...
Why couldn't they combine their ideas?
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http://www.notebookreview.com/defau...former+T100+Windows+8+Tablet+Hands+On+Preview
Well Asus, you could have made me really happy if only that thing would have FullHD.
Now I'm stuck between the lower resolution and no USB on the tablet Asus, which on the other side features a 500gb HDD (!) and the FullHD Dell with USB on the tablet, which might have just too little space...
Why couldn't they combine their ideas?
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THe previous transformer tablets have all had a small dongle available which connects to the docking port and provides USB host functionality, effectively doing same job as a USB-OTG cable on android phones.
Btw to let you guys know, I think I'll go with another device
The Asus Transformer Book Trio.
I like the combination of actual notebook power and Android tablet. And with SDXC support, 128gb of portable drive is enough for me
Asus transformer T100 and asus transfromer T300 is there. anychance of an asus transformer T200 with 1080p display and atom baytrail
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search youtube for "robaxx". He has done several demos on a vivotab smart showing what the atom can and cannot do (played a few games, played several HD movies simultaneously in different applications). The clovertrail chip is powering the vivotab smart and is both a) massively inferior to the bay trail chip on its way and b) massively superior to the previous generation atom chips in the old netbooks. Robaxx managed to load a 200 page word document no problem. My brothers netbook is capable of at least decoding a full HD video clip in VLC media player but only having a 600 pixel tall screen cant display at 1080p for obvious reasons
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Clover Trail had an entirely different GPU core to Bay Trail, so its pointless to look at how games ran on it when discussing Bay Trail devices.
I've got a lot of gameplay videos from my T100 here: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR0UF7yQj8p9jWCP1OYPC9-lKFYskGK87
Worth nothing that the Z3740 seems to give a bit more graphics performance than the Z3770, likely down to the fact that the lower base clock means the CPU portion of the SoC uses less power, allowing the GPU portion to use more.
Atom Z3740 (T100) vs. Z3770 (Venue 11 Pro) - 3DMark Comparison
I noted you've done Miracast testing for the T100. Can you specify in either the ActionTec Screenbeam Pro or the T100 to use the 5GHz band for the Miracast? If yes, would you do a comparison between 2.4 and 5GHz casting to see if there is improved performance in the latter?
BTW, does T100 spec specify if its radio config is 1x1 or 2x2?
Lastly, since the wifi radio does double-duty in connecting to both the LAN and the Miracast, can you check for Miracast performance when under heavy net access, say, in downloading torrents or ISOs?
As an aside, I also noted the Miracast pairing uses an 8-digit key, similar to WPS, which is known to be a security risk. (WPS handshaking is a 4+3, which has only 10^4+10^3 = 11000 combos, and can be broken in a few hours). I'm curious if there's any published attempt to hack Miracast source & sink devices.
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I noted you've done Miracast testing for the T100. Can you specify in either the ActionTec Screenbeam Pro or the T100 to use the 5GHz band for the Miracast? If yes, would you do a comparison between 2.4 and 5GHz casting to see if there is improved performance in the latter?
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No options for this AFAIK.
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BTW, does T100 spec specify if its radio config is 1x1 or 2x2?
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From the Anandtech review: "ASUS equipped the Transformer Book T100 with dual-band (2.4/5GHz) 802.11n courtesy of Broadcom’s BCM4357. The T100 features a 1-stream (150Mbps) implementation. I didn’t have enough time to test wireless range/performance but the sheer inclusion of 5GHz WiFi in an entry level PC is music to my ears."
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Lastly, since the wifi radio does double-duty in connecting to both the LAN and the Miracast, can you check for Miracast performance when under heavy net access, say, in downloading torrents or ISOs?
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Can't test right now, but I'd assume badly.
I've used it to project to the TV while playing games, web browsing and streaming via YouTube, but if you start really hammering the WLAN then based on my previous experiences with WiDi it won't go well.
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As an aside, I also noted the Miracast pairing uses an 8-digit key, similar to WPS, which is known to be a security risk. (WPS handshaking is a 4+3, which has only 10^4+10^3 = 11000 combos, and can be broken in a few hours). I'm curious if there's any published attempt to hack Miracast source & sink devices.
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The code is randomly generated each time you connect an unpaired device.
Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I checked the Actiontec manual, and it has no mention of selectable band. Some of the later ones, eg the recently announced Belkins, do allow for band selection. I think SOP is to try for 5GHz if available, then fall back to 2.4GHz if not.
Per Miracast whitepaper, 2x2 5GHz is required for 1080p casting. T100's 1x is adequate for its 720p'ish screen (mirroring), but I'd be curious to see performance in extending to TV as a second screen in its native 1080p res. AFAIK, all Mira-capable 1080p devices (Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HDX, Sammie's tabs) all have 2x2 radios.
Do you have a dual-band N300 USB wifi adapter handy? I'd like to see if a 2x2 USB can improve perf. Probably would need to disable the internal WLAN.
BTW, for those looking for a good dual-band N300 USB, the D-Link DWA-160 is a good performer, and it's being clearanced on eBay for $10 a stick. This would be a cheap and painless way to upgrade your Win toys to 5GHz. Make sure to use it with a USB cradle to optimize for antenna positioning. One caveat is that it probably won't work with micro-USB ports in current mini-tablets, as 100mA isn't enough.
I seriously taking a look at the Venue 11 Pro with baytrail soc.
Had the latest ASUS TF701 Tegra4 with dock but after I returned the 4th one I asked my money back and now I am waiting till there is good proof that Asus solves the connection problems with the mobile dock.
But....then my attention was caught by the new Dell Venue 11 Pro with baytrail soc.
Was amazed about the good reviews (although MS app store still sucks) and especially by the enormous battery time they achieved with the mobile dock.
Up to 20 hrs with brightness at 50%.
I still have a TF700 and I use that when travelling instead of taking my laptop.
Reason: weight reduction of the handluggage.
Next to that I use it a lot as tablet on the couch in the evening but no heavy 3d gameplay.
I wanted a successor and liked the "transformer" format so much.
Not being married to Android I like the most the open character of the Android system and the way you can nearly set it up 100 % to your likings with custom rom's. So I am worried about the closed W8 environment for tablets.
But now Asus sucks really in build quality and maybe the Venue 11 Pro is the new kid in town, but it's weight with mobile dock is half kilo more than my TF700 so that could be an issue.
So when anyone can post his/hers experience with the Venue 11 Pro with baytrail soc it would be very helpfull for decision making.
I bought it "just because" without even realizing it's running full W8... I love that thing, it's awesome. It does get a bit warm though. But it's really great. It's fast, snappy, runs all apps... The only thing I wish is that there were more great modern UI apps.
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FYI...Acer Iconia W500 10" Windows 7..$549.00 at Walmart's Website...
Item Description
The mobility of a Tablet, without sacrificing the capabilities of a Notebook.
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From Tablet to Notebook in a Snap!
Choose how you go mobile with this unique hybrid design. You have the freedom to take your Tablet on-the-go, or insert it into the dockable full-size keyboard for convenient two handed text input. Additional USB ports make connection to external devices simple.
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Acer ICONIA W500 10.1" Dual HD Color Touchscreen Laptop Tablet PC:
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Built-in 802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi, 10/100Mbps Ethernet
Internal memory: 32GB
2GB DDR3 RAM
Supports: Kindle, YouTube and Data Viz Office Suite
AMD Radeon HD 6250 Graphics with 256 MB of dedicated system memory
2 x USB 2.0 port
1 x earphone
1 x HDMI
1 x RJ45
2-in-1 MultiMedia card reader
Dual Acer Crystal Eye webcams
3 cell Li-ion battery
Includes: AC adapter, instruction manual and quick start guide
What's a Tablet PC?
Tablet PCs are small, ultra-portable entertainment devices that let you read email, surf the internet, read eBooks, view photos and watch video files. Most tablets are based on the Google Android operating system, which allows you to purchase and download additional applications from an App Store. Tablet PCs do not have a CD/DVD drive and will not run Microsoft Windows applications. Tablet PCs function as a secondary device for casual entertainment purposes, and are not meant to replace a computer.
Meh! Much prefer my A500, I think.
and the battery.... hu hu 3Hrs kidding
From my experience Win7 simply doesn't really suit well to mobile devices. It wasn't designed bottom-up with touch input nor was it designed to conserve space and battery as much as a mobile OS is. Win8 on the other hand atleast has an UI specifically designed to support touch input well, we'll see then how/if it catches on.
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Wtf? SDHC? Why the hell didn't they put this in the A500, too?
This is an awesome little point of sale terminal!
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Wtf? SDHC? Why the hell didn't they put this in the A500, too?
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Err...they DID.
I have played around with one of these at Staples. Believe me when I say to look to the A500 Android version instead. The W500 was slow, clunky and just overall a pain to use. Plus the A500 looks so much nicer.
Avoid W500 if you know whats good for you.
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Err...they DID.
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Can you please tell me where to put a full-size SD card or MMC card in the A500.
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Can you please tell me where to put a full-size SD card or MMC card in the A500.
Please with Picture...
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Use a USB card reader, I have one that will read around 16 different cards and it's really compact.
Also a colleague has recently bought a W500 and brought it into work to compare it to my A500.
The W500 is just awful, horrible UI, pointless mouse, 3 hours battery, and none of the extras mine has (GPS...etc)
Stick with the A500 is my thoughts.
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Use a USB card reader, I have one that will read around 16 different cards and it's really compact.
Also a colleague has recently bought a W500 and brought it into work to compare it to my A500.
The W500 is just awful, horrible UI, pointless mouse, 3 hours battery, and none of the extras mine has (GPS...etc)
Stick with the A500 is my thoughts.
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Could you tell your card reader's manufacturer...model no.....price....?
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Wtf? SDHC? Why the hell didn't they put this in the A500, too?
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that actually is a great idea why i hope they start using those in the future
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I know this is an old post, but here I am on Windows 8 with the W500.... needs work but its a step in the right direction!
All I have to say about that is LMAO LOL!
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Err...they DID.
I have played around with one of these at Staples. Believe me when I say to look to the A500 Android version instead. The W500 was slow, clunky and just overall a pain to use. Plus the A500 looks so much nicer.
Avoid W500 if you know whats good for you.
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Err they did not, that's a full sized card. Not a mirco one found on our unit, would have been nice since they are cheaper
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If you want fullsize SDXC get the Toshiba Thrive. I owned it before and I think both devices are as good interchangably. I think the only reason I went with the Acer because at the time there were more custom roms and for LED flash to use as flash light.
Still, the next device that can run full linux distro with dual core and 6+ hours of battery life and I will depart with this Acer in a flash (internally installed, not work around like current methods). Microsoft and Apple absolutely don't want that. I don't think I will content with tablets with fans and heat vents and poor battery life though.
Acer Iconia W500
I have owned iphone 3gs, HD2, Samsung Galaxy tab phone version, and W500( three months). I am not a fan of Microsoft or Acer but I have to say W500 is a very usable W7 tablet. I have replaced the stock 32gb HD to 128gb and used it to do my office works, music, video, ebooks, and games. It can play blu-ray movie without issue and some first person shooting game at medium level.
For those people who complained the machine is slow, I agreed but that was if you run the machine the way Acer shipped to you. However, if you remove all the bloatwares and disable some window 7 features. Then, you have got youself a snappy, fully functional window machine.
I can run photoshop, coreldraw, excel, accounting and other full version Window softwares directly on this machine. I can watch DVD/blu-ray files or disc(external DVD drive) directly without converting and transfering. It is pretty much a regular labtop with all the ports you need but in modern tablet form.
I always thought w7 is not touch friendly but actually is good. Android or iOS's UI is very direct to the point as versus window7 indirect. However, w500 has shown it is possible to have the functionalities of a laptop in a tablet. You don't need to convert files or find work around ways to fit a specific machine.
W500's battery life is incomparable to Android or iOs deveices because the hardware requirements for Window7 is much higher than them. Yes, I wish W500 have a better battery life.
There have been tablet form-factor Windows machines for over a decade, so I'd be pretty shocked if the W500 couldn't do all that stuff...
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Still, the next device that can run full linux distro with dual core and 6+ hours of battery life and I will depart with this Acer in a flash (internally installed, not work around like current methods). Microsoft and Apple absolutely don't want that. I don't think I will content with tablets with fans and heat vents and poor battery life though.
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Ubuntu on the W500. Seems doable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j2cT2n9EnQ&feature=related
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I have owned iphone 3gs, HD2, Samsung Galaxy tab phone version, and W500( three months). I am not a fan of Microsoft or Acer but I have to say W500 is a very usable W7 tablet. I have replaced the stock 32gb HD to 128gb and used it to do my office works, music, video, ebooks, and games. It can play blu-ray movie without issue and some first person shooting game at medium level.
For those people who complained the machine is slow, I agreed but that was if you run the machine the way Acer shipped to you. However, if you remove all the bloatwares and disable some window 7 features. Then, you have got youself a snappy, fully functional window machine.
I can run photoshop, coreldraw, excel, accounting and other full version Window softwares directly on this machine. I can watch DVD/blu-ray files or disc(external DVD drive) directly without converting and transfering. It is pretty much a regular labtop with all the ports you need but in modern tablet form.
I always thought w7 is not touch friendly but actually is good. Android or iOS's UI is very direct to the point as versus window7 indirect. However, w500 has shown it is possible to have the functionalities of a laptop in a tablet. You don't need to convert files or find work around ways to fit a specific machine.
W500's battery life is incomparable to Android or iOs deveices because the hardware requirements for Window7 is much higher than them. Yes, I wish W500 have a better battery life.
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i like W500.can you teach me how to made it run faster?
Windows on a tablet will be better when Windows 8 is released on tablets.
It will use less battery power and is designed with two interfaces, one for tablet and one for the PC.
I'm actually running the developers edition on one computer.
The start page is the apps page.
It even has two different IE explorers, one for tablets and one for the PC.
Since it is the developers edition there are things missing and also some things there that may not be there in the beta or final release.
Price wise, it is really catching my eye, although I'm speaking the "Tablet" only.
I feel as though the dock bundle is a bit pricey. $750.
Anyone have this & want to share a mini review or an alternative peice of hardware in comparison, value wise?
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Price wise, it is really catching my eye, although I'm speaking the "Tablet" only.
I feel as though the dock bundle is a bit pricey. $750.
Anyone have this & want to share a mini review or an alternative peice of hardware in comparison, value wise?
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Got to get that x86 processor. Prices for intel w8 tablets should drop around $500 soon. $750 is way too much for a glorified netbook.
True... Hell, surface really screwed the new wave of Windows, price wise.
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What happened to it?
The Acer W510 tablets have been yanked off all the Best Buy and Future Shop web sites - like it never existed? Anybody hear what happened?
Probably because it has only 32GB. For full Win8, that means only a few GB remains for data use. There's no space for anything else. It's not a usable device.
Perhaps not so coincidentally, the 32GB W510 is available now in MS Store as a $399 Cyber Monday deal.
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/pd/Acer-Iconia-W510-1674-Tablet/productID.258447300
I'm definitely planning on getting this device..at the price point it seems to offer the most bang for the buck. I like the size and weight and think it'll serve its purpose (consumption tablet w/ the ability to run full xbmc and ACTUAL desktop web pages) just fine. Aside from its lack of availability the only other thing I'm waiting for is a more detailed video review. In the meantime I've found this:
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Iconia-W...dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
Samsung Series 7 Slate equals win.
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Price wise, it is really catching my eye, although I'm speaking the "Tablet" only.
I feel as though the dock bundle is a bit pricey. $750.
Anyone have this & want to share a mini review or an alternative peice of hardware in comparison, value wise?
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I have the Samsung Series 7 slate that came with Windows 7. I love it, with Win8 that is. It has 64gb of space and you can add a microsd as well. Also has the i5 processor and 4gb ram. You can get one on eBay for maybe 600 or less tablet only. I was tempted a bit by the new Ativ 500, but it has the atom processor and half the ram. They are releasing a new series 7 but really pricey. Get the series 7 with win 7, pay the 40 for the upgrade and you won't regret it.:good:
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I have the Samsung Series 7 slate that came with Windows 7. I love it, with Win8 that is. It has 64gb of space and you can add a microsd as well. Also has the i5 processor and 4gb ram. You can get one on eBay for maybe 600 or less tablet only. I was tempted a bit by the new Ativ 500, but it has the atom processor and half the ram. They are releasing a new series 7 but really pricey. Get the series 7 with win 7, pay the 40 for the upgrade and you won't regret it.:good:
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for me it becomes a question of battery life and portability..how does it fare in those areas? If I didn't already have a laptop, I can defly see a home application for it. But I'm looking for something that I can take on the road
Yep.
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for me it becomes a question of battery life and portability..how does it fare in those areas? If I didn't already have a laptop, I can defly see a home application for it. But I'm looking for something that I can take on the road
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I take it with me everywhere. The 11.6 really to me is great. I mean, obviously it is a little bigger, but the screen resolution is so nice it is great. I got the Samsung Book cover for it, and carry it with me no problems. I had a 10.1 sammy gtab before. Battery life is good, except if you watch a lot of video, then it sucks it up. but that is true with any tablet. It lasts me all day though. I have never had to charge it before maybe 8 in the evening. The thing that is great over every tablet I have seen running win8 is no lag at all. I mean this thing is butter smooth. I have replaced my laptop completely with this. It runs desktop software great. Some are not made for touch though, so the stylus make that experience much better. If you want, the bluetooth keyboard works very well too.
For me, i'm still haven't decided between asus vivobook and acer iconia w7.
I still can't decided which form factor i want, a tablet or a touch screen laptop.
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The Vivo is nice, but I just can't get with rt only. I really like win8, I think is great for a tablet, and if you want something this is completely usable, rt just isn't there yet. Surface pro will be out, but 1 grand. Stiff. 4 hours battery life. Bummer. I love the form factor though. :good:
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I take it with me everywhere. The 11.6 really to me is great. I mean, obviously it is a little bigger, but the screen resolution is so nice it is great. I got the Samsung Book cover for it, and carry it with me no problems. I had a 10.1 sammy gtab before. Battery life is good, except if you watch a lot of video, then it sucks it up. but that is true with any tablet. It lasts me all day though. I have never had to charge it before maybe 8 in the evening. The thing that is great over every tablet I have seen running win8 is no lag at all. I mean this thing is butter smooth. I have replaced my laptop completely with this. It runs desktop software great. Some are not made for touch though, so the stylus make that experience much better. If you want, the bluetooth keyboard works very well too.
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I'm pretty amazed that a past generation i5 processor can last you all day.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834110479
That's cheap, and has a great Reslolution, for 300 bucks. It's got an atom, but it's cheaper than the Iconia, with double the storage. You'll have to install 8 through USB, though.
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That's cheap, and has a great Reslolution, for 300 bucks. It's got an atom, but it's cheaper than the Iconia, with double the storage. You'll have to install 8 through USB, though.
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That is a headache waiting to happen. The processor is far too weak to get any real use out of it, even with an SSD.
Sometimes its worth saving just a little extra.
This device is a great tablet at a great price
I got the iconia W510 and I have to admin that I love it. It will take a little time to get used to the windows 8 gestures but after that it works very well. Also the $400 price tag is a steal for a fully x86 compatible tablet. Even though it has only the Atom clover trail, it's fast enough and does not really lag. It can do hbo-go from the browser with no issues. The screen is beautiful and clear. It also has NFC even though that does not seem to be advertised and not sure what it could be used for yet.... And for the record I am NOT a Microsoft fan boy, I have an IPad 3, an iPad mini, iPhone 5 and still love those devices but I got to admit that this tablet is great and I can use it to replace my laptop using the BT keyboard and mouse. I just need to get the keyboard dock and that can definitely replace a work laptop...
I decided on this device w/keyboard dock for these personal reasons:
not RT - 'nuff said
price - ivy bridge would be great, but not at those prices, I just assume sacrifice the hybrid flexibility and get a kick-ass ultrabook
size - 11.6" is cool for a notebook, but too cumbersome for a tablet
keyboard dock - it's very stable when docked and easy to connect/disconnect, the Asus less so, and I've heard multiple complaints of the Samsung Ativ frequently losing its connection altogether (no keyboard response), not acceptable
battery life - can work all day while docked and still have a fully charged tablet battery, the surface pro estimates are pathetic
storage - wish it had more on-board, I eliminated any 32 gb model from consideration
performance - granted, there's a hit compared to ivy bridge, but no doubt clover trail is an improvement over the previous atom, so far this has not been an issue for what I do with the device
For sure, my purchase decision is filled with compromises and trade-offs, but I guess that's how it is when considering a 1st-generation hybrid. I could have waited for the next gen when there will likely be less trade-offs and better values. But no, I wanted one of these now! I'm loving the flexibility of having a laptop and tablet in one device, and being able to run x86 apps helps make up for stuff lacking in the Windows store (i.e. DropBox).
Anyone able to comment on multitasking and gaming? specifically what is gaming like on the devcice. I know you wont get performance when playing games like modern warfare crysis etc but whats it like on the tablet games angry birds/jetpack joyride/riptide gp etc? I want something purely for consumption multimedia light gaming and internet surfing streaming, and am trying to deciede between intel and rt.
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Anyone able to comment on multitasking and gaming? specifically what is gaming like on the devcice. I know you wont get performance when playing games like modern warfare crysis etc but whats it like on the tablet games angry birds/jetpack joyride/riptide gp etc? I want something purely for consumption multimedia light gaming and internet surfing streaming, and am trying to deciede between intel and rt.
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I have the Asus Vivo Tab 11.6" one with Clover Trail processor like the Acer W510 and it does all the games from the Windows store quite well. It does Pinball FX2, and RIptide perfectly smooth. Hydro Thunder for some reason isn't as smooth on some parts but still smooth enough to be playable. I even installed Iron Man PC game from 2007 and it plays really well. Even the newest Google earth with 3d buildings works decently, but it sometimes crashes the graphics driver.
Multitasking is very smooth. When installing apps I can tell it takes like twice as long as an I5 or I7 PC but there's no lag at least. Switching between apps is very fast and smooth no matter what I have running on the background.
I have the Samsung 500T. I picked it because I wanted a 11.6 inch tablet for the more spacious keyboard. I had a real bad time with Acer's TF300 keyboard being too small and worried the W510 would be a similar experience.
That said. I do hate how slick the back of the 500T is. And it's really bad with 1080p videos. A reviewer mentioned their 500T had problems with 1080p also, but the W510 had no problems at all. So hopefully it's not a hardware limitation and Samsung can fix this eventually.
It's a shame so many Windows 8 Atom tablets have been delayed until mid January. Had I more patience, I probably should have waited. I think I might have liked the HP Envy X2 more. The ASUS seems to be out of the question with it's crazy price tag of $800 just for the tablet.
As for multitasking. I try to do it sparingly. And I avoid doing anything at all while x86 apps are installing as it's very laggy. I tend to spend most of my time with desktop apps. On the Windows 8 (Metro) those apps usually fly (as long as they don't involve playing 1080p videos).
Hey guys...typing this from the w510 keyboard dock I got from acer today. I bought my 32gb w510 from microcenter for $399 plus tax. Keyboard was $160 shipped. I've been using the keyboard for 10 minutes and will say I freaking love it. I guess I'm just so attracted to the functionality that a keyboard/touchpad add (had the original asus transformer). feels even more natural in the windows 8 environment.
The tablet itself is very lightweight, and I personally really like how it looks, the white trim, silver back, clean design. yes its plastic but mine feels really good.
Now for you guys new to the w510 there are some possible game breakers for you as far as bugs...
Sound will randomally just die and you have to restart the tablet to get it back. This has NOT happened to me since I installed the latest bios/drivers. Similarly, it has frozen on me a couple times, again - this has not happened to me since the drivers. Finally there is a big issue with the touchpad becoming wildly inaccurate. theres a debate whether that's a hardware issue or driver issue. Mine has not gone bonkers yet.
I gotta say I really like this tablet overall... especially with the dock for the price. My nexus 10 arrived today, I'm only keeping one of them.... I'll be honest and say its gonna be really hard to give up the w510 because of the overall package.
Those interested in gaming - the atom is not graphics friendly but it will play the windows store games. Performance wise, the atom should deliver similar non gaming/graphics functionality to that of the n10's xyneos (spelling) - I believe anandtech did a comparison on this.
i wanted to get a surface rt, but it wasn't able to play minecraft
What other Windows 8 Tablet do you think i could get for about <$600
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The only tablets that will run minecraft playably would be those powered by an i5 processor and cost closer to $1000 not 600.
600 will get an Intel atom based tablet and that's it. Slightly better than the version in netbooks but still essentially netbook hardware. I do know 3 people who happily play minecraft on netbooks but they have to use optifine light, tiny render and one of them insists on using a reduced colour depth texture pack (which makes little difference). Even so they only achieve about 20fps, the nether lags unplayably, rain causes lay and TNT is dangerous to their frame rates. They are using 1.3 and 1.6ghz dual cores, these windows 8 tablets get an updated (read faster) version of the atom at 1.8ghz instead so will cope better but don't expect to be installing mods (other than optifine) or hd textures or render distances further than tiny or short.
If your intention is to spend $600 on something to play minecraft on, don't get a tablet. $600 will get a far more powerful laptop or an even more powerful desktop. For the same price as my desktop here in the UK (capable of 140fps minecraft, far render, fancy graphics etc) you can only get atom based tablets. For the same price as my desktop you can get a 15" laptop capable of 50fps on far render.
if you do want an atom based tablet, the standard option is the Asus vivotab smart (me400c I think is the designation, not sure), its a 10" unit, capacitative touch only (no fancy stylus basically) and no keyboard dock although they do offer a wallet style case which features a stand and an area to clip an optional Bluetooth keyboard to. It is probably the cheapest tablet you will find for windows 8, a YouTube user called robaxx has uploaded several reviews for the tablet. All atom based tablets have identical specs apart from whether they offer an active stylus or a keyboard dock.
I have acer w500 with Windows 8 pro - works perfectly - I have played Settlers 7, Minecraft and a few of the xbox store games no problem
Not sure what fps I get on it - I have a ps3 and xbox360 which I prefer over pc gaming so Im not too concerned about playing anything heavy duty
The only gripe I have, is the lack of memory - My W500 only has a 32GB ssd, this is nearly all used up with the install size of Windows 8 alone
I have 32gb SD card which I have moved a lot of stuff too and 3 external usb hard drives I carry about with me filled with data but I would appreciate the tablet more if it even had 128GB ssd instead
You can check the fps by pressing f3, gives alot of info on the debug screen. If it is playing nicely then that is good news.
I am personally going for the atom based tablets myself but I already have a powerful desktop for gaming. Playing minecraft or anything else would only be a bonus.
thanks guys for the help!
i was looking at the asus vivo tab smart (me400c) it looks ok
still lookin as to what to settle on
I have two win8 tablets. The first I got was the Samsung Ativ which I really like but it wasn't perfect for work because the size made it difficult to carry around and portrait mode was awkward for note taking. I just got the Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2 which is a 10.1 inch device with is the perfect size and weight for note taking. So I guess it depends on your needs but for me I like both options. I use the larger device at home and the smaller at work and for travel.
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There is also the Dell Latitude ST, a 10 in. Atom tablet and the only one in the market that have a REMOVABLE battery. Sorry I don't play games so I can't comment on games, but if other Atom tablet can play games then the Dell Latitude ST should be fine.
I dot Vivo Tab TF810c and I am perfectly happy with it. If you got any questions - shoot.
thanks so much! it's so hard to choose
i just wish the microsft surface wasn't "RT" it looks so nice!
and i like the Asus tivo smart (me400c) but it doesn't have a full USB port
With Vivo Tab you can get 2 full USB ports in dock.
And batt. life is amazing - I charge it once a week (just in case, not that it needs it - but I just feel guilty...) and use it every evening.
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I dot Vivo Tab TF810c and I am perfectly happy with it. If you got any questions - shoot.
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looks like but about $300 over my price, i can afford that but i don't know if i wanna spend that much on a tablet
Well, I had the same problem as Vivo Tab is.... pricey...
Right now I do not regret a single penny spend on this device (Is still have iPad 3G and had Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 for a while).
It is amazing how it is built, and how Atom nice works inside. Always cool, with nice keyboard dock (battery life already mentioned). Thin, light and does everything I need.
It will stay with me for next few years,,,
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Well, I had the same problem as Vivo Tab is.... pricey...
Right now I do not regret a single penny spend on this device (Is still have iPad 3G and had Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 for a while).
It is amazing how it is built, and how Atom nice works inside. Always cool, with nice keyboard dock (battery life already mentioned). Thin, light and does everything I need.
It will stay with me for next few years,,,
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i gotta find a store that sells it cheap here, only one store i can think of is Harvey Norman but they want $1086 That's diffently abit much, for a tablet as my macbook air suits me fine
I paid in Poland 3799 zl this is a bit over $1100 (with 2 yr warranty included).
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I paid in Poland 3799 zl this is a bit over $1100 (with 2 yr warranty included).
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wow, i suppose i could buy one from USA Asus Vivo Tab TF810C $809 I'd assume it'd work in Australia i'd just need a different charger but if its just a normal USB charger thing i got hundreads of them anyway
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wow, i suppose i could buy one from USA Asus Vivo Tab TF810C $809 I'd assume it'd work in Australia i'd just need a different charger but if its just a normal USB charger thing i got hundreads of them anyway
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You get seperate charger + USB cable with "special" plaug for device. This means it can be used with any USB charger.
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You get seperate charger + USB cable with "special" plaug for device. This means it can be used with any USB charger.
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so perfect
how is the app development like is there alot of games etc avalible everyone on youtube complains there isn't anything availble not that i care just curious never used windows 8
I am not sure what you mean - it has normal Windows 8 on board so everything that is working on Win7 & 8 and probably 99% of software from Vista and XP will work on it.
If you are asking about Modern UI apps.. than check MS Store. In general apps for Modern UI are leisure apps - not for work but for relax - Netflix, Hulu Plus, some games, drawing apps, etc... work you do on normal apps in desktop mode.
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I am not sure what you mean - it has normal Windows 8 on board so everything that is working on Win7 & 8 and probably 99% of software from Vista and XP will work on it.
If you are asking about Modern UI apps.. than check MS Store. In general apps for Modern UI are leisure apps - not for work but for relax - Netflix, Hulu Plus, some games, drawing apps, etc... work you do on normal apps in desktop mode.
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yeah i meant the MS store sorry haha and cool
Oh... well. It is not perfect but it is growing daily.
Point is that because you can use normal apps on it even if MS Store lacks something it is not really an issue.
As there is ZERO such apps for XP, Vista and 7 and no one ever complained about it saying - look Windows suck because for iOS you got thousands of apps.
You will definitely find something cool for evening time!
I have made up my mind that I want to upgrade from my old iPad 2 to an x86 Win8 tablet, but I have been trying to decide which one to get. The Surface Pro 2 looks nice, but the battery life seems a bit lacking from reviews that I have seen, and Bay Trail seems to be reasonably powerful for a cheaper cost and longer life, but I'm still unsure. The main reason I want a Win8 tablet is PC gaming. I know I won't be able to run games anywhere near the highest settings; I just want to run them, period. Would Bay Trail suffice, or do I need an i-series processor to get reasonable gaming capability? Second, I want the tablet to have a digitizer & stylus. I have been totally spoiled by my Galaxy Note 2, and now I use it to take notes in all my classes, but would appreciate the extra screen real estate. As for price, I don't want to spend over a grand for a tablet, as I already have a primary Windows machine. I would like the tablet to get at least 6 hours of battery (The Acer Iconia W700 originally caught my eye thanks to its 8 hours), since I'm used to iPad-length use and would like to have something that can at least manage 3/4ths of that. The Dell Latitude 11 looks promising, but with no confirmation on a US release date nor the cost of options, I'm not sure if it is worth the wait. Opinions?
I have an intel core i3 laptop running at 1.8ghz with the default intel HD4000 graphics. Runs BF3 on minimum *just* and skyrim with a config hack. I doubt baytrail will run either one at all sadly. Surface pro will definitely run both (and thanks to the updated graphics may not require the config hack, if not all you need is notepad to fix skyrim), its more powerful than my laptop is, just lacking in battery department as you say and rather expensive.
I would perhaps look on youtube for when people start posting their own unboxing videos and ask them *nicely* if they could test X program. Youtube user robaxx did a few demos of user requests with his clovertrail device.
If gaming wasnt a requirement baytrail would probably be overqualified immediately. The old atom chips from netbooks were quite happy with office and visual studio etc, VLC even seems capable of decoding 1080p video on my brothers 1.3ghz netbook (however he only has a 1024*600 screen or something so it certainly doesnt play at 1080p, the video file is natively 1080p). However minecraft with the optifine mod still only squeezes 15fps on both tiny and short render (seriously, same on both distances, weird).
I have this one and absolutely love it. It's a little bulkier than the Surface but runs really well. The only minor complaint I have is that the screen prevents you from viewing from multiple angles (basically the screen gets dark when looking at it from the side).
Otherwise, it's fantastic! I use it as a tablet most of the time, but having the option to connect to a keyboard with an extra battery and USB/HDMI ports really comes in handy.
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hello all,
my university gives a 400 pounds credit to buy from studentstore.uk i was planning to get a windows 8 tab but they dont stock sony,asus or dell products .i was planning to get a baytrail tablet like dell venue pro 11.with a maximum budget of 600 pounds(400+200).
so my only option is to get an acer w700 with i3,4gb ram 64 gb memory available for 570 pounds.or wait till samsung,lenovo and acer brings in 10-11 inch baytrail tablet.
so do you think its a good idea to get w700 or just wait till others comes with baytrail tablets(any idea when on earth they will launch it ).?
At this late date, what you see (in the MS store) are what'll be available for this Q4.
My suggestion is to ignore the one-device-fits-all PR hype and get two devices: a 12"-13" laptop for productivity, and a separate tablet for portable use. The meat-and-potato work box comes first, obviously. For my college days, I used a 12" IBM Thinkpad X series, which I lugged everywhere. It wasn't light, but it was built like a tank. The bottom line for me wasn't about best speed or battery life, but good old reliability.
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hello all,
my university gives a 400 pounds credit to buy from studentstore.uk i was planning to get a windows 8 tab but they dont stock sony,asus or dell products .i was planning to get a baytrail tablet like dell venue pro 11.with a maximum budget of 600 pounds(400+200).
so my only option is to get an acer w700 with i3,4gb ram 64 gb memory available for 570 pounds.or wait till samsung,lenovo and acer brings in 10-11 inch baytrail tablet.
so do you think its a good idea to get w700 or just wait till others comes with baytrail tablets(any idea when on earth they will launch it ).?
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Your choice definitely depends on what you plan to do with it. Do you want something that will serve as a PC as well as a tablet, or just a portable typing device, or just for entertainment? I've also heard that those who do computer science/programming degrees, you'll want something a lot more powerful. However, for humanities subjects, i'm sure an i3 will be just fine.
If you ask me, you should never get anything Acer made.
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Your choice definitely depends on what you plan to do with it. Do you want something that will serve as a PC as well as a tablet, or just a portable typing device, or just for entertainment? I've also heard that those who do computer science/programming degrees, you'll want something a lot more powerful. However, for humanities subjects, i'm sure an i3 will be just fine.
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i dont want an ultra book or laptop since i already have a laptop.i want a windows 8 tablet which is thin light and with good battery backup.
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If you ask me, you should never get anything Acer made.
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i had acer desktop (in 2005) then an acer laptop (bought in 2009) and then another one in 2011(which iam still using) my brother has an acer s3 ultrabook.
i never had any problem with acer till now, also one of my relative works at acer service centre.
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i had acer desktop (in 2005) then an acer laptop (bought in 2009) and then another one in 2011(which iam still using) my brother has an acer s3 ultrabook.
i never had any problem with acer till now, also one of my relative works at acer service centre.
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My experience with the acer repair service isn't great, just got my w700 back and it has gained a load of scratches (came back quite dirty as well) and the rubber section on the back which they clearly removed to open it up hasn't been stuck down properly and now comes away from the case.
Also OP you should be aware that Acer support in general is awful, they delete posts on the forums they don't like (mainly people complaining about the terrible support) and there is a throttling issue with the i5 version which they refuse to fix, you should check out the 52 page thread on their forums which has been going on for over a year.
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My experience with the acer repair service isn't great, just got my w700 back and it has gained a load of scratches (came back quite dirty as well) and the rubber section on the back which they clearly removed to open it up hasn't been stuck down properly and now comes away from the case.
Also OP you should be aware that Acer support in general is awful, they delete posts on the forums they don't like (mainly people complaining about the terrible support) and there is a throttling issue with the i5 version which they refuse to fix, you should check out the 52 page thread on their forums which has been going on for over a year.
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the problem is i dont have an option to purchase other than student store u.k and they dont have much options either.
you can have a look and suggest if anything better is there for the price.
http://www.studentstore.co.uk/getech/all-manufacturers/Tablets/for-students.aspx
What subject are you studying at university/what is the tablet required for?
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What subject are you studying at university/what is the tablet required for?
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iam doing mechanical engineering.mostly i need it for entertainment purpose, taking notes , power point presentations etc. but i have a laptop also .
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iam doing mechanical engineering.mostly i need it for entertainment purpose, taking notes , power point presentations etc. but i have a laptop also .
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That should be fine. You don't need something very powerful for that. Actually, I only had an Android tablet (Xperia Tablet S) to do that and it handled those kind of tasks fine for me.
PowerPoint you can install on the device anyway so your fine on that front (uni may offer it for free too). Entertainment is up to you. Note taking should be fine, depends on if you are OK with touch keyboards/small keyboards or not, or using a touchscreen to write with (to my knowledge there is no wacom or synaptics stylus, only the bog standard touch screen).
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PowerPoint you can install on the device anyway so your fine on that front (uni may offer it for free too). Entertainment is up to you. Note taking should be fine, depends on if you are OK with touch keyboards/small keyboards or not, or using a touchscreen to write with (to my knowledge there is no wacom or synaptics stylus, only the bog standard touch screen).
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so which model of acer w700 you own?.how is the overall experience and battery backup?
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so which model of acer w700 you own?.how is the overall experience and battery backup?
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I dont
Since I have an Acer W700 tablet, I would let you know something about the W700. I will compare it mostly with the Surface Pro because its a gold standard for Intel Core tablets
First thing first, W700 lacks the active digitizer. Don't expect writing and drawing to feel like the Surface Pro or Galaxy Note. Its far from it. I use Adonit Jot stylus, it helps a lot compared to other styli or finger input, but still nowhere as good as the Surface Pro.
Second, the battery last like Haswell tablets. This tablet is insane in term of battery life. I mostly get 6-7 hours for my usage. I use this tablets mostly for browsing, downloading, playing casual games, taking notes (OneNote FTW!), watching videos/movies and listening to music. If you look for an Ivy Bridge tablet that last like Haswell tablets, this is the only one.
Third, since I mentioned videos, movies, and music, I would say this tablet has great screen and speaker. The speaker is great for a tablet. If you enable the Dolby enhancement, the speaker will get louder (with some distortion), on par with cheaper multimedia laptops. Definitely better than the Surface Pro. The screen is also better than any tablet screen Ive ever used.
Fourth, it has no great keyboard solution. Unlike the Surface Pro which has options like the Type and Touch cover, the W700 relies on a Bluetooth keyboard or a case with integrated Bluetooth keyboard. Consult the seller first on which version you get. I would recommend the former since the latter is not comfortable (very, very thin), it is nice though. If you are a bit unlucky like me, youll get neither of them. I got a Perixx 804 Bluetooth keyboard for €25, and it works reliably over Bluetooth. This keyboard feels like a keyboard from Acer V5 or most Sony VAIOs (a bit harder than MacBooks)
Fifth, it has WiFi issue. This issue plagues mostly early generation of this tablet, but you might get this as well. On my W700, I have no problem with the disconnection. However, the signal is not as good as other devices. Usually, when the other devices still get 1 bar of signal, the W700 has lost connection.
Sixth, its graphic performance is not as great as how a HD4000 should be. The GPU suffers from bad throttling, making the performance only comparable to HD3000 GPU on most laptops (I tried with i5-2410M)
Overall, this tablet is geared towards entertainment (great screen and speaker) than business/work (no active digitizer and no keyboard solution). This device is great if you want to use one device rather than two (tablet+laptop), but don't expect too much. Since Haswell tablets are just behind the corner, I would suggest you to wait for some affordable Haswell tablets. However, if you cant wait, I would recommend this device over any Atom tablets unless you need an active digitizer.
My W700 is the i5-3317U model with 64 GB of storage. I wish I had the 128 GB model.
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My W700 is the i5-3317U model with 64 GB of storage. I wish I had the 128 GB model.
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Thermal throttling on the i5 model seems very common, yet rare on the i3 model
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Since I have an Acer W700 tablet, I would let you know something about the W700. I will compare it mostly with the Surface Pro because its a gold standard for Intel Core tablets
First thing first, W700 lacks the active digitizer. Don't expect writing and drawing to feel like the Surface Pro or Galaxy Note. Its far from it. I use Adonit Jot stylus, it helps a lot compared to other styli or finger input, but still nowhere as good as the Surface Pro.
Second, the battery last like Haswell tablets. This tablet is insane in term of battery life. I mostly get 6-7 hours for my usage. I use this tablets mostly for browsing, downloading, playing casual games, taking notes (OneNote FTW!), watching videos/movies and listening to music. If you look for an Ivy Bridge tablet that last like Haswell tablets, this is the only one.
Third, since I mentioned videos, movies, and music, I would say this tablet has great screen and speaker. The speaker is great for a tablet. If you enable the Dolby enhancement, the speaker will get louder (with some distortion), on par with cheaper multimedia laptops. Definitely better than the Surface Pro. The screen is also better than any tablet screen Ive ever used.
Fourth, it has no great keyboard solution. Unlike the Surface Pro which has options like the Type and Touch cover, the W700 relies on a Bluetooth keyboard or a case with integrated Bluetooth keyboard. Consult the seller first on which version you get. I would recommend the former since the latter is not comfortable (very, very thin), it is nice though. If you are a bit unlucky like me, youll get neither of them. I got a Perixx 804 Bluetooth keyboard for €25, and it works reliably over Bluetooth. This keyboard feels like a keyboard from Acer V5 or most Sony VAIOs (a bit harder than MacBooks)
Fifth, it has WiFi issue. This issue plagues mostly early generation of this tablet, but you might get this as well. On my W700, I have no problem with the disconnection. However, the signal is not as good as other devices. Usually, when the other devices still get 1 bar of signal, the W700 has lost connection.
Sixth, its graphic performance is not as great as how a HD4000 should be. The GPU suffers from bad throttling, making the performance only comparable to HD3000 GPU on most laptops (I tried with i5-2410M)
Overall, this tablet is geared towards entertainment (great screen and speaker) than business/work (no active digitizer and no keyboard solution). This device is great if you want to use one device rather than two (tablet+laptop), but don't expect too much. Since Haswell tablets are just behind the corner, I would suggest you to wait for some affordable Haswell tablets. However, if you cant wait, I would recommend this device over any Atom tablets unless you need an active digitizer.
My W700 is the i5-3317U model with 64 GB of storage. I wish I had the 128 GB model.
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Thanks a lot , and sorry for the late reply. iam getting a 450 pounds voucher of student store u.k from my uni and i asked them about the keyboard they told that it comes with the dock & keyboard + the case cover with keyboard out of box so i dont need to buy it seperately . also student store u.k dont have much options to choose from so either i need to wait till lenovo and acer comes out with baytrail or haswell 10+ inch tablets as the studentstore dont stock Asus, HP or Dell .
Also another thing i need to know is that whether the weight and thickness of w700 is an issue to use it as a tablet .
I'd wait to purchase a dell. Acer was terrible when I had it. Dell seems more reliable.
I have the i5 version that came with the dock and the keyboard case. Despite being labelled as having an i5-3317 processor on the box, mine says it has a i5-3337 inside. A patch has fixed the throttling issue for me. The tablet is relatively heavy, it gets uncomfortable to hold and use rather quickly. The thickness isn't a problem; it's actually pretty thin. It's fine to use with the keyboard case on the lap though.
I don't mind the keyboard case. It has full width keys, seems sturdy and keeps the whole setup light. The keys don't press down far due to the thinness of it though. I have to say I like keyboard docks more after using the Asus Transformer TF101, but that would mean adding weight to balance the tablet.
Changing the SSD inside is a bit challenging, but it's possible. It uses a standard mSATA interface according to those who've replaced it. The omission of a SD/microSD slot is a bit strange, but I'd say it has enough storage for most people.
I haven't had any issues with the Wi-Fi, although it seems many others are having trouble with it.
The recovery is on a couple of DVDs. If anything goes awry, you may need to get an external DVD drive. Windows 8 does have the refresh option, which makes things easier if Windows is the problem.
The cameras on the device work alright. Pictures taken look rather poor quality, but I find these things tend to be that way. I really don't know why they put a back facing camera on this thing; I think people using their iPads to take pictures is bad enough. I haven't used it for video chatting yet. Some have reported that the microphone isn't great. The mic is on the bottom edge, which might have something to do with it, but I haven't used it yet.
I enjoy having this tablet. It's as powerful as a laptop and it's fast.